#indiewebcamp 2016-05-17

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tantek having trouble with self-perception of different /publics again
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tantek I am finding myself posting a lot more photos (5-10x) to Swarm/Foursquare as a *side-effect* of checking-in, than I am to Instagram->embed->my site->POSSE->(FB,Flickr,Twitter)
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tantek and the thinking/feeling is, photos on Swarm/Foursquare don't "bug" people if I post "a lot" / "too many"
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tantek whereas I have a sense (have gotten feedback too!) that posting a lot on IG generally feels "annoying" to people
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[shaners] Loqi, messages?
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tantek and on my own site, I have this feeling of not wanting to deluge those who read my stream (whether on home page or in a /reader ) with lots of photos
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tantek anyway, just thought I would share this conundrum of silo-posting vs. indie-posting to see if anybody else can relate, or has insight, or has questions to ask that may help illuminate a solution
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miklb tantek separate photo feed?
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tantek miklb - excellent suggestion
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tantek we touched on some of this at IWC Düsseldorf /photos session
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KevinMarks aaronpk segments his feeds
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tantek looks for notes
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tantek KevinMarks: however pretty sure all aaronpk's photos go on his main stream
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miklb sorta like how people who post a lot of links offer 3 feeds, all content, original content, just links
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tantek dislikes the term feed since it seems to imply (certainly strongly associated with) /plumbing
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tantek and thus sets a default of plumbing-centric framing
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KevinMarks stream>
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KevinMarks stream? feed? tab? tag? topic?
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tantek those are not the same type of thing
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miklb sorry, I see "reader" and think feed.
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KevinMarks known has type-filtered pages, and choices about which ones to put where
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tantek miklb yeah, even that is true
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tantek yet "reader" at least is a bit more separate than "feed reader" which basically means "Google Reader" (defunct) to many/most
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KevinMarks or rather, you can omit types
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tantek KevinMarks: type-filtering is not the problem
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miklb I also often refer to a Twitter "feed" as well, knowing the difference between Atom/RSS and general firehose of content
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tantek type-filtering gives you all or nothing. that's not the problem here
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KevinMarks right
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tantek what is a feed?
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Loqi A feed is a dynamic set of posts, typically listed in reverse-chronological order, often only the most recent n (like 10) of them https://indiewebcamp.com/feed
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tantek wow photo does not have a sessions section. interesting
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@kevinmarks If you give me an image upload field, I'm going to try to put SVG in it #indieweb https://twitter.com/jesslynnrose/status/732180897139556352 (twitter.com/_/status/732362896722661380)
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tantek huh: how many "open" / "indie" projects have a <3 as part of their logo? https://github.com/photo
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tantek When did Trovebox become "Photo Project"? http://photo.github.io/
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tantek.com moved /Trovebox to /Photo_Project "moving because they appear to have renamed, again"
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sknebel tantek: do you/would you show check-ins in your main sequential-display-of-posts?
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KartikPrabhu why are their GET endpoints for photo ".json" !!??
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sknebel Is it the fact that they are *photos* or just that they are many posts that might be annoying to readers?
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tantek sknebel: vast majority of my check-ins are "friends only"
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tantek so to answer your "would you show ... in your main ..." question, some of them, once in a while, publicly to everyone (so no noticeable difference to # of photos posted), and ...
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit" by aaronpk http://2016.indieweb.org/
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tantek if/when I get a "friend-only stream/home" working, perhaps a lot more
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sknebel and people mostly follow you on different silos that are friends only
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tantek and I would also likely try to cluster my check-ins, similar to how I cluster my likes
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tantek in order to make my homepage not seem overwhelmed with checkins
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tantek sknebel: the fact that they are that many posts that might be annoying to readers
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@fakebaldur RT @kevinmarks If you give me an image upload field, I'm going to try to put SVG in it #indieweb https://twitter.com/jesslynnrose/status/732180897139556352 (twitter.com/_/status/732365016008171520)
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@velartrill RT @kevinmarks If you give me an image upload field, I'm going to try to put SVG in it #indieweb https://twitter.com/jesslynnrose/status/732180897139556352 (twitter.com/_/status/732365135881232384)
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tantek falls down the rabbit hole of updating /photo and some pages it links to :/
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tantek.com edited /Photo_Project (+548) "attempt an update based on what their own docs say, and what past sites are doing today" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Photo_Project (+19) "/* OpenPhoto */ mediawiki not smart enough to ignore heading elements in blockquotes for purpose of TOC, thus resorting to strongbig presentational markup for quotation purposes :sadface:" (view diff)
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tantek sknebel: that *is* a helpful observation though, I definitely self-limit on other post types due to a sense of not wanting to annoy readers with too many posts (mostly just notes & photos)
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tantek no problem with likes though, since I feel like I have designed a reasonable way to cluster / compress likes (at least on my homepage) so they look fine even if I post a ton of them.
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sknebel it seems like with posting more photos on the check-in silos you have for now different streams
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tantek clustering notes is harder (have no idea how to do this from a design perspective)
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sknebel on a homepage on could display only the last x checkins in some card-like display (or a "facepile" of the photos, but for checkins the photo is not the most important thing)
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tantek sknebel: maybe. the Swarm UI also has a way of not seeming overwhelming when people checkin / post photos a lot. or maybe it's my use of Swarm? there's a never a feeling of wanting to have to see every single post in Swarm
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tantek sknebel: right, clustering checkins could work. and definitely for checkins the photo is not the most important thing
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tantek also, photo posts by themselves may be clusterable
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tantek I feel like I've seen some UI in FB for this, where "so-and-so posted n photos" and then it shows a mini-grid/brick layout of the photos
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tantek what is like clustering?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "like clustering" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LQ
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tantek really?
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sknebel there is the pattern many pages have with their twitter feeds
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sknebel they have their main content
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sknebel and then a box to the side with the last few tweets
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sknebel that could be done more general, with a main display of "important" things and a short current stream of more ephemeral posts
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tantek like clustering is a design technique for providing a summary, and inline display for a series of adjacent /like posts so that they take up much less space in the context of a /stream or /archive. See [[like#notification_first_design]] for specifics on like clustering design.
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loqi.me created /like_clustering (+303) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-16/line/1463445585295 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [indieweb] "Maybe: IndieWeb is one of the most exciting efforts on the web, Hoping to attend this." by John Evdemon http://www.evdemon.org/2016/maybe-indieweb-is-one-of-the-most-exciting-efforts-on
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KevinMarks facebook does that for album posts on mobile
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tantek sknebel: maybe. I think that separate box technique works well with "boxy" things like photos that can be laid out into a grid/brick like layout
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tantek but I've never seen it work well for notes
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tantek always felt like a design copout when used for tweets/notes
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tantek though I don't have a better suggestion. I'll think about it
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tantek.com edited /photo (+140) "photo project (was trovebox), and Sessions section with photos session link" (view diff)
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sknebel yeah, it probably mostly is common because that's the embedd thingy you get for twitter, not because it is the best design
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tantek right
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www.svenknebel.de edited /photo_upload (+164) "/* Other approaches */ ref dropbox" (view diff)
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tantek I'm realizing that this (photo posting frequency vs silo checkin photo posting) is a problem for me because I want to now write blog posts that use some of those non-public-stream photos.
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KevinMarks you can go with the card model, though people mess that up too
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tantek yes they do (mess that up)
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tantek basically I'm looking for links to (and screenshots of) good designs for photo clustering, I think that would be a good start
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tantek then I can optionally POSSE them to silos / home stream
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www.svenknebel.de edited /photo_upload (+737) "/* Mobile upload */" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 During #edtechchat was chatting with @kevinmarks about SVGs remind me that we should all follow the #indieweb chats as well. Awesome people (twitter.com/_/status/732375349946929152)
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GWG Evening
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@arirose_ny Dear #indieweb, let me introduce you my very first reply via webmention at https://t.co/jBybOLUAlk. (twitter.com/_/status/732384587373002754)
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aaronpk wonders how much the "feed" terminology implies RSS to people who haven't been embedded in the tech for so long
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Ruxton RSS is "Feed" to people not in the know "we should make an RSS Feed" "can we use atom instead? *explains*" "Oh, whatever"
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sknebel I'm not sure that is true anymore
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sknebel Feed is Facebook news feed, twitter timeline etc
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Ruxton good point
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sknebel if you remember RSS by name you are a techie
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aaronpk especially if you remember the differences between RSS and Atom
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sknebel so I think feed is nowadays less plumbing and more "ordered series of posts/entries" than a few years ago
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gRegorLove That's what I was thinking as well.
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aaronpk same
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boffosocko.com edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+364) "/* FAQ */ Bridgy & WP.com vs WP.org" (view diff)
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Jeena I added something to my events I wish all sites which do anything with events would do, I added a .ics file download https://jeena.net/events/19 this way one can easily add that event to their own calendar without the need of copy and pasting the name, address, description, dates/times
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Göteborg
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KartikPrabhu what is side-file?
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Loqi The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indiewebcamp.com/side_file
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GWG Okay. Point release update to one plugin.
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GWG Time to move on to another one
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Loqi [indieweb] "Indieweb Post Kinds" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/#post-77573
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aaronpk Jeena: good idea! I added an ics feed for my event and travel lists that i subscribe to in my google calendar and and it's been the best
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tantek good evening indiewebcamp!
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bjoern good morning :)
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KartikPrabhu morning bjoern
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bjoern hey KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu bjoern: what is your site?
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KartikPrabhu not quizzing you just curious :)
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bjoern https://known.stierand.org/
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KartikPrabhu nice! I love how many users Known has!
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bjoern my current main site is https://bjoern.stierand.org which is just a static collection of links to all the places I'm present on the web
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KartikPrabhu in the spirit of fairness here is mine: https://kartikprabhu.com/ any and all feedback is appreciated
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Loqi [Björn Stierand] bjoern-website@innovention.de
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bjoern I think about dropping it and move the Known site there
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bjoern nice layout!
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KartikPrabhu bjoern: hopefully you can migrate the permalinks so that they don't die
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bjoern I'm not quite happy with the Known theme I'm using right now, have to change that
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KartikPrabhu bjoern: I am sure Known would love more varied themes
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bjoern permalinks shouldn't be a problem with some mod_rewrite magic :)
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bjoern KartikPrabhu: guess so, but I'm not that skilled in nice UI design, I'm more of a backend guy
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bjoern KartikPrabhu: but I'll do my very best
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bjoern :)
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KartikPrabhu bjoern: well you can play on your own Known site to start with and get feedback! One of the nice things about having your own site!
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KartikPrabhu to be honest, that is main reason I have mine; to play with all this web-stuff
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KartikPrabhu bjoern: given that I am not a professional web-person you are far ahead of me!
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bjoern KartikPrabhu: I put the whole Known site including the database in Docker containers, so I can spin up a seperate Known instance to do some testing and trash it afterwards. Comes in really handy sometimes.
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KartikPrabhu man! you are already doing things I don't understand!
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bjoern KartikPrabhu: well, that's some knowledge I can use from my day job
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bjoern it's nice when job and hobby align sometimes
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KartikPrabhu bjoern: cheers on that!
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KartikPrabhu that's why I like hanging out on this channel. people doing things I don't understand. it is fascinating
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KartikPrabhu bjoern: you should add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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bjoern same for me when it comes to webmentions internals and the like, it's fascinating to follow the discussions
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bjoern KartikPrabhu: will do
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KartikPrabhu bjoern: i must check out too late here. cheers! happy indieweb-ing
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bjoern KartikPrabhu: thanks, same to you!
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@textandbytes Blog post: http://lombardpress.org/2016/04/16/iiif-webmentions/ and slides: http://lombardpress.org/slides/2016-05-11-iiif-webmentions/ from last week's presentation about the use of #Webmentions in #IIIF (twitter.com/_/status/732518445535907840)
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@kevinmarks @MxJackMonroe @inventpartners @MitchBenn would love to help with this with h-recipe markup http://microformats.org/wiki/h-recipe #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732543632880734208)
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sknebel link for aaronpk and other food-logging people: https://www.infino.me/hungrybot
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bjoern sknebel: looks interesting
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sknebel according to the HN submission it's a neural network trained on a million food images
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sknebel https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11712751
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bjoern for starters it predicted 'banana' as 3rd guess on a photo of a banana on my table
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bjoern let's see how this works out with more complex food :)
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KevinMarks given the bbc recipes fuss, you could try it on those
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hs0ucy Hello, good morning. I have a static web site build with gohugo.io ...
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hs0ucy And i'm looking for a way to push my static content to twitter.
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hs0ucy *Content like short notes.
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GWG Have a look at Bridgy. It has a simple way of doing that.
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@biblissima RT @textandbytes Blog post: http://lombardpress.org/2016/04/16/iiif-webmentions/ and slides: http://lombardpress.org/slides/2016-05-11-iiif-webmentions/ from last week's presentation about the use of #Webmentions in #IIIF (twitter.com/_/status/732556629858734080)
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@regisrob RT @textandbytes Blog post: http://lombardpress.org/2016/04/16/iiif-webmentions/ and slides: http://lombardpress.org/slides/2016-05-11-iiif-webmentions/ from last week's presentation about the use of #Webmentions in #IIIF (twitter.com/_/status/732557364000358400)
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@kevinmarks a quick mapping from #bbcrecipes BEM to #microformats h-recipe https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/commit/89c11c631d64b349ae1fd527b85060848e3c8a36 makes them data: http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fsweet_onions_with_lentil_01078&html=&pretty=on #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732560601654812674)
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@heydonworks RT @kevinmarks a quick mapping from #bbcrecipes BEM to #microformats h-recipe https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/commit/89c11c631d64b349ae1fd527b85060848e3c8a36 makes them data: http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fsweet_onions_with_lentil_01078&html=&pretty=on #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732561140996317184)
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hs0ucy GWG: Bridgy ? Ah ok, i'm already using it with WithKnow ... I didn't know i was able to push from a static site.
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GWG hs0ucy: It accepts webmentions for publishing.
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GWG So, if youi can send a webmention on updating a static page, it will crawl the page and convert to a tweet.
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GWG That should be scriptable.
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hs0ucy GWG: ok. I would like to watch if a new markdown file was created, and then push to twitter ... or puah once a day.
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miklb you can also include a hidden link in your post
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miklb If you are already sending webmentions that is
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@ppiixx RT @kevinmarks a quick mapping from #bbcrecipes BEM to #microformats h-recipe https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/commit/89c11c631d64b349ae1fd527b85060848e3c8a36 makes them data: http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fsweet_onions_with_lentil_01078&html=&pretty=on #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732562570012413953)
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miklb that's what I do with a Jekyll site
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hs0ucy miklb: I'm not sure i understand ... Right now i'm not a user of webmentions on my gohugo site.
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miklb hs0ucy ah. I misunderstood. does hugo have any mechanism for sending webmentions?
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hs0ucy miklb: do you have an example ... somewhere on github
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hs0ucy miklb: Good question, i don't know, i have to check that.
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miklb what is hugo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hugo" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LR
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miklb hugo is a static site generator written in GoLang https://gohugo.io
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loqi.me created /hugo (+94) "prompted by miklb https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463491636882 and dfn added by miklb" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8412959 > johnjohnston on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error" (twitter.com/_/status/732565326530027520)
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Loqi [indieweb] "johnjohnston on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error"" by johnjohnston https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8412959
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@energyovertime RT @kevinmarks a quick mapping from #bbcrecipes BEM to #microformats h-recipe https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/commit/89c11c631d64b349ae1fd527b85060848e3c8a36 makes them data: http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fsweet_onions_with_lentil_01078&html=&pretty=on #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732565618801528832)
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hs0ucy miklb: Here https://miklb.com/housekeeping-may-2016 ... The hyperlink on your Twitter ID is not a well formed URL «hit me on Twitter @miklb or».
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KevinMarks oops. Spiderpig is a bit too eager
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KevinMarks I tried to download the bbc food site, and it's crawling the whole of the bbc.co.uk domain
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KevinMarks Better stop that
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miklb hs0ucy that's weird. The markdown file looks OK. I think Jekyll is parsing the @miklb as my own URL. Need to investigate that.
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hs0ucy miklb: there's an semicolon in your HTTP prefix : "http;//"
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miklb yikes. Need to start wearing glasses
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miklb hs0ucy thanks!
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hs0ucy miklb: you're welcome ...
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hs0ucy miklb: In your About page there's another URL problems ... "https://indiewebcamp.com)/" ... a lost round bracket.
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miklb ah, yes in the footer. That was fixed in the jekyll-indieweb theme, failed to merge the fix to my site. Fixing now
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Loqi [indieweb] "David Shanske on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error"" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8413072
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miklb hs0ucy unfortunately I don't see any obvious way to send webmentions with Hugo. I'd assume would need to write some kind of extension.
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hs0ucy miklb: Same conclusion for me. Maybe i can use that https://github.com/vrypan/webmention-tools ... When i'm building my site.
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KevinMarks !tell kylewm,tommorris,adactio is mapping BEM markup to microformats2 a good idea, or a dodgy hack? https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/blob/909fe5dc811f32e4e591922ce10c2dd8d3c9a743/mf2py/backcompat.py#L90
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske i'm using stapibas to send out webmentions for published posts. it works by parsing the atom feed of my recently published posts
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cweiske http://indiewebcamp.com/stapibas
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hs0ucy miklb: I found a library in Golang https://willnorris.com/go/webmention ...
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Loqi [Will Norris] webmention is a go library and command line tool for assissting in sending
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tommorris KevinMarks: wait, BEM has a 'bemformat' or whatever for recipes?
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message on 5/12 at 12:58pm: are you coming to the Leaders Summit? Can you RSVP here accordingly? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#RSVP http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-12/line/1463083099732
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Loqi tommorris: KevinMarks left you a message 4 minutes ago: is mapping BEM markup to microformats2 a good idea, or a dodgy hack? https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/blob/909fe5dc811f32e4e591922ce10c2dd8d3c9a743/mf2py/backcompat.py#L90 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463493676676
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KevinMarks no, this is specific to scraping the BBC site
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Loqi [indieweb] "David Shanske on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error"" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8413132
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KevinMarks there's some Schema stuff there, but the BEM was really easy to parse using your backcompat technique
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > http://ift.tt/1XwUpQ3 > David Shanske on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error" (twitter.com/_/status/732573038894546944)
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tommorris ah okay
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tommorris I searched for "BEM recipes" and I found this - http://food52.com/recipes/3056-brazilian-fudge-well-married-bem-casados
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tommorris Bem casados! ;-)
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Flasagne_82381&html=&pretty=on
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tommorris KevinMarks: would it be helpful if mf2py had the ability to specify extra transformation rules? like, so unmung can keep the BBC bem-recipe specific ones separate from the 'canonical' ones
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KevinMarks maybe site specific ones?
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tommorris yeah, perhaps we should turn the backcompat rules into a blob of JSON/YAML etc. so that they can be shared between implementations
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KevinMarks oh, that could be interesting
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tommorris okay, issue created - https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/issues/70
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ben_thatmustbeme reads back
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ben_thatmustbeme UGH timezone issues again
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ben_thatmustbeme :/
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KevinMarks seems to be different at different nesting which was odd
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KevinMarks also kylewm didn't get the 2nd level ones from you by the look of it
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ben_thatmustbeme not getting second level doesn't really surprise me, if you are checking for any nested ones
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ben_thatmustbeme so I'm going through fixing one of the TZ issues (not displaying the correct timezone) but why it fetched yours with the wrong zone is odd
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KevinMarks is it missing a marked up tz?
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, so it now shows that the times i'm showing are -4
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ben_thatmustbeme but it still didn't fetch your date correctly,
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ben_thatmustbeme i wonder if it doesn't like toe +0000
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ben_thatmustbeme s/toe/the
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: i wonder if it doesn't like the +0000
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KevinMarks is my time mapped to Z?
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KevinMarks some libs interpret a zero tz as local time
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, that would explain it. commenting on one of your posts now to see if its consistant for when i parse your post for context
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ben_thatmustbeme nope, it looks like it fetched that fine.... weird
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aaronpk KevinMarks: lol yeah spiderpig is meant to archive an entire domain, not just a page
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KevinMarks I now have lots of BBC
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aaronpk GWG: just saw https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8413132 ... we decided to drop php 5.3 support in the last update of the php mf2 parser
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@tmlbk RT @kevinmarks a quick mapping from #bbcrecipes BEM to #microformats h-recipe https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/commit/89c11c631d64b349ae1fd527b85060848e3c8a36 makes them data: http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fsweet_onions_with_lentil_01078&html=&pretty=on #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732585756770897921)
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@kevinmarks and transformed back to a legible recipe card: http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fsweet_onions_with_lentil_01078&html=&pretty=on #indieweb #microformats #bbcrecipes (twitter.com/_/status/732586363128664064)
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aaronpk whoa neat
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: thats not the issue, I am actually not fetching from the origin, i'm parsing from aaronpk's copy of it (though i know i really should be fetching from source)
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ben_thatmustbeme really odd.... i don't know why it didn't get the right time
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KevinMarks oh, so does aaron's version have a different time?
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ben_thatmustbeme his has it in -7:00
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ben_thatmustbeme i found it, it was on my end
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ben_thatmustbeme the function for processing second level interactions was missing the code to correct the timezone to localtime
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ben_thatmustbeme just reprocessed it
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ben_thatmustbeme and by reprocessed it, i mean i just resent the webmention for aaron's post to me
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KevinMarks hah
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KevinMarks and that fixed kyle's ordering too?
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KevinMarks but no photo in comments
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/yes-the-facepalm-emoji-shows-up-in-android-n-2016
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Yes, the facepalm emoji shows up in android N
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, KevinMarks, there are 2 issues there, 1) Aaron doesn't have the image in his comments section, and 2) i don't support images in comments
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ben_thatmustbeme 2) really drumphs 1)
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@HongPong people need to break away from corporate social media silos @headhntr see http://indiewebcamp.com for alternatives to this mess (twitter.com/_/status/732609716333993988)
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tantek what is BEM?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "BEM" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LS
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KevinMarks BEM is a naming convention for HTML classes block--element-modifier for people wary of CSS inheritance http://getbem.com/
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KevinMarks hm
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KevinMarks what is BEM?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "BEM" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LT
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KevinMarks BEM is a naming convention for HTML classes block--element-modifier for people wary of CSS inheritance http://getbem.com/
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loqi.me created /BEM (+148) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463504143149 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks this is for GWG: http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/05/17/coder-dilema-9-the-upgrade/
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@fmuaddib RT @kevinmarks If you give me an image upload field, I'm going to try to put SVG in it #indieweb https://twitter.com/jesslynnrose/status/732180897139556352 (twitter.com/_/status/732633973856305154)
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GWG I intend to see how bad it is with https://github.com/wimg/PHPCompatibility
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GWG When I get home tonight
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snarfed KevinMarks: just fyi i signed up for the decentralized web thing and nudged them about giving an indieweb lightning talk
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snarfed feel free to nudge them too
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snarfed think you'll come?
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KevinMarks yes, I need to respond and sign up - thanks for the nudge
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KevinMarks I spent friday talking to them about it and there will be more indieweb adjacent people there
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snarfed ok!
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KevinMarks w3c wiki has deced to forget my password autocomplete, and iirc their pw rules were a disaster
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KevinMarks so someone else can fix the start time on https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-06
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Loqi Social Web WG Face to Face Meeting in Portland (F2F6)
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KevinMarks has anyone else been following the BBC Recipes thing?
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KevinMarks 'cos there's a good mf2/micropub use case here
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@subwebz #IndieWeb Summit http://2016.indieweb.org #indiewebcamp :: http://o.wzm.me/ via http://o.wzm.me/river/v/61487 (twitter.com/_/status/732640838736588800)
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aaronpk KevinMarks: what's wrong with the start time?
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KevinMarks 99:00
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aaronpk lol fixed
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KevinMarks The BBC is possibly shutting down their recipes site. I've done the work to parse it and make h-recipe
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KevinMarks so, can we hook this up to micropub+silo.pub and a bookmarklet so people can save their favorite recipes to their own blogs?
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KevinMarks anyone interested?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Some Thoughts on Academic Publishing and “Who’s downloading pirated papers? Everyone” from Science | AAAS by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/29/some-thoughts-on-academic-publishing/#comment-30448
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Kevin Scott Creed" by Kevin Scott Creed http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30411
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Richard Pedro" by Richard Pedro http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30406
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Sarah Cotton Nelson" by Sarah Cotton Nelson http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30407
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Andreas Petersell" by Andreas Petersell http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30401
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Nancy Norris" by Nancy Norris http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30402
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30403
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Keith Domingue" by Keith Domingue http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30405
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30404
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Adrienne Prince" by Adrienne Prince http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30400
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Adrienne Prince" by Adrienne Prince http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30399
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Karen Ely" by Karen Ely http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30398
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Alice Miller" by Alice Miller http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30397
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Emily Marks Kirshenbaum" by Emily Marks Kirshenbaum http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30396
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by James McPherson" by James McPherson http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30395
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Dave Harris" by Dave Harris http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30394
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Ralph Aldrich" by Ralph Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30393
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Marlene Detweiler Flynn" by Marlene Detweiler Flynn http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30391
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Tom Fraites" by Tom Fraites http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30392
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Ben Paul" by Ben Paul http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30390
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Kimberley Berdy Gallmeyer" by Kimberley Berdy Gallmeyer http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30389
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Jeanie Aldrich" by Jeanie Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30386
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on My 10th Anniversary on Facebook by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/24/my-10th-anniversary-on-facebook/#comment-30380
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by IndieWebCamp" by IndieWebCamp http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30377
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by cstanhope" by cstanhope http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30375
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Jessamyn Prince" by Jessamyn Prince http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30372
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Charles ☕ Stanhope" by Charles ☕ Stanhope http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30376
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Webmentions for Improving Annotation and Preventing Bullying on the Web by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/07/webmentions-for-improving-annotation-and-preventing-bullying-on-the-web/#comment-30222
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Boffo Socko Now Supports Hypothes.is Annotations by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/03/boffo-socko-now-supports-hypothes-is-annotations/#comment-30166
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on IndieWeb “Press This” Bookmarklet for WordPress by Robert Catrini" by Robert Catrini http://boffosocko.com/2016/03/09/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklet-for-wordpress/#comment-29984
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb “Press This” Bookmarklet for WordPress" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/03/09/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklet-for-wordpress/
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Loqi [indieweb] "New Look for Boffo Socko" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/01/31/new-look-for-boffo-socko/
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Loqi [indieweb] "What I Use: August 2015" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2015/08/03/what-i-use-august-2015/
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aaronpk oh gosh
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Zegnat “This post originally appeared on Justin’s blog.” - http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/05/17/never-forget-fucking-webmasters/ - https://justinjackson.ca/webmaster/
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Zegnat Is the IndieWeb finally getting to the big sites?
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aaronpk nice
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hs0ucy re-nice
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Zegnat the article itself isn't bad either
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PFMurph noice
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Jeena Hehe a rare thing a native indieweb RSVP on a Event I'm hosting https://known.0x539.se/2016/untitled
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Loqi [Rickard Bennison] No:
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@kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732658580818518017)
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[shaners] Afternoon, Loqi. :wave::skin-tone-2:
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Loqi is done
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@weems RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732660617421684737)
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@ssp2158 http://srikanthperinkulam.com/indieweb/2212 (twitter.com/_/status/732669313681752065)
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[shaners] HWC LA is on hiatus until July 13. I’m roadtripping for the next two months LA > PDX > LA for indieweb summit.
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aaronpk that's quite the trip!
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@misuba Then again, when you try to set up an indieweb site, it doesn't go marvelously. (But at least you can discover where to begin.) (twitter.com/_/status/732675603510386688)
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@fakebaldur RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732682346646867968)
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@jeffreycwitt RT @textandbytes Blog post: http://lombardpress.org/2016/04/16/iiif-webmentions/ and slides: http://lombardpress.org/slides/2016-05-11-iiif-webmentions/ from last week's presentation about the use of #Webmentions in #IIIF (twitter.com/_/status/732682762617028608)
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[kevinmarks] https://medium.com/@PaulGowder/ssrn-has-been-captured-by-the-enemy-of-open-knowledge-b3e5bca6751d#.e64yviy8e
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tantek what is SSRN?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SSRN" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LX
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tantek good day #indiewebcamp!
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@Hil121 RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732691405789782016)
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@mathewi RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732691478133121024)
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@jmurray59 RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732691657892597760)
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@ManiGandham RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732691675655471104)
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@brandstrat RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732693493475221504)
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@jpoh RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732700322599067648)
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tantek what is meta http-equiv status
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meta http-equiv status" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LY
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tantek meta http-equiv status is an HTML extension that adds the "Status" value to the existing meta element's http-equiv attribute as a method for representing the HTTP Status code to be returned by a web server serving that HTML document, and for consuming applications to parse and interpret for such use-cases as static hosting that often disallow setting HTTP headers directly.
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loqi.me created /meta_http-equiv_status (+402) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463525789713 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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techlifeweb Bridgy question: I'm using Wordpress as my CMS. Does the target url (<a href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a>) have to be in the post text or can it be anywhere in the h-entry?
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Loqi [indieweb] "The "share" option in the forthcoming Firefox Activity Stream feature is intriguing. I'm curious where you'll share to! #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/the-share-option-in-the-forthcoming-firefox-activity-stream-feature
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snarfed techlifeweb: i think anywhere in the h-entry
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snarfed looking
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snarfed actually anywhere in the page