#indiewebcamp 2016-05-18

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techlifeweb snarfed: thanks. Just thinking of ways I can be more lazy...errr efficient :) assuming I want to always posse to twitter
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GWG Did someone say...I'm using WordPress?
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techlifeweb GWG: I did
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GWG techlifeweb: Anything I can help with?
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GWG I spend a lot of time on that issue
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techlifeweb GWG: not at the moment. I rebuilt my site recently and had a few issues to figure out but I think it's working now
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GWG techlifeweb: How can we make it easier?
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techlifeweb GWG: Well, that's something Im thinking about. At the moment, turning from template issues and moving to thinking about posse/pesos ease of use
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@MusicTechPolicy RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732731244258037760)
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@seanmaynard RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732732285682737153)
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@kevinmarks @krynsky @smurthas @temas @jeremie @lockerproject @Medium I'm leaning towards a redundant array of inexpensive cloud services #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732741236386238465)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Indieweb Post Kinds" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/#post-77573
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8415668 > David Shanske on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error" (twitter.com/_/status/732768220625686532)
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Loqi [indieweb] "David Shanske on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error"" by David Shanske https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8415668
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Loqi [indieweb] "Congratulations! If you're not using the SemPress theme, you might also enjoy https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-uf2 which will do some of the mf2 material (as best it can)" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/congratulations-if-youre-not-using-the-sempress-theme-you-might
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Loqi [indieweb] "Welcome to the #IndieWeb! There are lots of other goodies and help to be found at http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/welcome-to-the-indieweb-there-are-lots-of-other-goodies
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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GWG Good evening, tantek
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tantek GWG, I'm running into person-tagging scaling challenges
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tantek from a UI perspective
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GWG Oh?
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GWG I thought you used text based his.
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tantek Yes I do. But it is so cumbersome for me to manually tag more than a few people that I gave up on person-tagging a photo with ~50 people
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tantek It would probably take me more than an hour. So I reached a practical limitation in my current approach, and must design+write more code to improve the situation
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GWG Does anyone have an interface that can tag so many easily?
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tantek silos do
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GWG So, document their interface and use elements that work for you
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tantek exactly
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GWG In my case, I rarely person tag.
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tantek this is the example photo where I gave up on the thought of manual person-tagging via text markup: http://tantek.com/2016/138/t1/bay-to-breakers-nov-project-rainbow
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. Bay To Breakers 2016, @nov_project rainbow. #latergram #nofilter
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tantek hmm - that alt text makes me wonder if (photo) would be better than "a jpg"
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GWG I will think on it, but not sure if I might be able to help.
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tantek I appreciate the conversation
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tantek I wonder if there are "face-like" recognition libraries
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[kevinmarks] yes there are; I think google has a cloud one
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[kevinmarks] https://developers.google.com/vision/face-detection-concepts
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aaronpk "jpg" feels like protocol level information. I care whether something is a photo or a screenshot, not which algorithm it's encoded with.
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tantek aaronpk that is good feedback
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tantek the problem is that the auto_link function is providing this fallback and I'm not sure it has anyway of inferring anything other than filetype
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[kevinmarks] oh, that's android, sorry. you want https://cloud.google.com/vision/docs/face-tutorial
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[kevinmarks] I had a js one that sued canvas at one point
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kylewm Glowing Bear shows #b2b105 as an ugly puce color
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Loqi kylewm: KevinMarks left you a message 15 hours, 56 minutes ago: is mapping BEM markup to microformats2 a good idea, or a dodgy hack? https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/blob/909fe5dc811f32e4e591922ce10c2dd8d3c9a743/mf2py/backcompat.py#L90 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463493676676
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kylewm kevnmarks: I really liked tom's suggestion to make back compat extensible/configurable
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KevinMarks there it is: https://github.com/liuliu/ccv
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KevinMarks yes, I think that makes sense, especially fi you can key by domain
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KevinMarks as it already adds quite a bit of overhead, you don't want all the magic words in every parse
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kylewm yepyep. as long as we don't accidentally implement a DSL in JSON :P
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kylewm JSLT?
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KevinMarks thing is the page had Schema markup in, but looking at the BEM classes they used was much easier
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KevinMarks did you see my display too?
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fmalaysianspicednoodl_88721
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KevinMarks also, the output is clean h-recipe too
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kylewm ha no i didn't, that's awesome
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Loqi [indieweb] "likes Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me!" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/13885-2/
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KevinMarks so the next trick would be to use micropub and silo.pub to make it easy fro people to reblog their favorite recipes
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KevinMarks heh http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Findiecard%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.bbc.co.uk%252Ffood%252Frecipes%252Fmalaysianspicednoodl_88721
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KevinMarks I can feed the indiecard for the recipe inot the parser and it's the same
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+642) "/* Brainstorming */ auto-suggest separate field UI" (view diff)
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KevinMarks !tell tantek there is a js face recogntion library that works in canvas in the browser https://github.com/liuliu/ccv
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+399) "/* person tags */ want to tag lots of people, possibly with auto-suggest UI" (view diff)
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KevinMarks or a more built out example: https://trackingjs.com/examples/face_hello_world.html
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tantek need to figure out how to do area-tags for those though I think
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Loqi tantek: KevinMarks left you a message 4 minutes ago: there is a js face recogntion library that works in canvas in the browser https://github.com/liuliu/ccv http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463551920928
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Loqi [indieweb] "johnjohnston on "[Plugin: Indieweb Post Kinds] Parse error"" by johnjohnston https://wordpress.org/support/topic/parse-error-402#post-8415982
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KevinMarks I have vague memories of us talking about that in microformats a decade ago
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tantek yes we did but never solved it
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tantek we gave Greg the tools to research and document it but I don't think he followed through
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tantek I wonder if the annotation folks or IIIF folks have made any progress
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KevinMarks we had examples http://microformats.org/wiki/photo-note-examples
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Loqi photo-note-examples
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tantek yes we did make some progress
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tantek more recently we almost made img / map / area work, except it didn't map (so to speak) well to micropub (ben_thatmustbeme discovered this)
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tantek I'd still like to see tag-replies working
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KevinMarks what are tag-replies?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tag-replies" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10LZ
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tantek tag-replies are /tag-reply
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loqi.me created /tag-replies (+22) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-17/line/1463552668021 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek can't remember if he bridgy backfeed feature requested them
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KevinMarks that was something I found with h-recipe: 'ingredient' vs 'instructions'
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tantek 'instructions' is kind of like a singular of "process"
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tantek it's not really a plural in the normal sense
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tantek not in "plain" english usage anyway. maybe in "processor instruction(s)" context
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KevinMarks right, but we suggest e-instructions, but actually marking them up as a list is better
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fmalaysianspicednoodl_88721
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KevinMarks or http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fmalaysianspicednoodl_88721&html=&pretty=on if you prefer parsed
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KevinMarks when I used e-instructions I got a lot of cruft from the source
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tantek interesting
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sknebel KevinMarks: re recipe parsing, you might find this interesting (I don't know if h-recipe can express that level of detail)
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tantek still possible to introduce p-instruction as an update, and then fallback to the plural
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sknebel KevinMarks: https://github.com/NYTimes/ingredient-phrase-tagger
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@IndieWebCampDE Noch 1 Woche bis zu Deutschlands erstem Homebrew Website Club: Am 25.5. bei @tollwerk in Nürnberg — wer ist dabei? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-05-25-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg (twitter.com/_/status/732829334130556929)
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@tollwerk In 1 Woche bei uns: D's 1. Homebrew Website Club — an der eigenen Website basteln! https://www.facebook.com/events/224357971289188/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampDE/status/732829334130556929 (twitter.com/_/status/732830821766336512)
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@jkphl Excited to host Germany's 1. Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday. Who wants to join in? :) #indieweb https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampDE/status/732829334130556929 (twitter.com/_/status/732831397442924545)
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KevinMarks we did spend a bit of time looking into units, but the amount of markup needed seemed prohibitive
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KevinMarks sknebel: h-recipe could be extended if this kind of data was published
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KevinMarks I alos noticed that the BBC had prep time and cook time, not just duration
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@hugo4de RT @kevinmarks “ad-blockers are – by and large – readers fighting back against being insulted.” http://blog.contextly.com/2016/04/the-things-publishers-cant-count/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/732848480960565250)
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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tantek.com edited /meta_http-equiv_status (+11) "/* Defined Values */ additional" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /meta_http-equiv_status (+350) "/* Defined Values */ add explicit extension of meta http-equiv for "Status", for something citable and expandable beyond the spec summary" (view diff)
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tommorris !tell tantek alpha django/python implementation of meta http-equiv status: https://github.com/tommorris/django-httpequiv-status
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tommorris.org edited /meta_http-equiv_status (+111) "adding Python implementation" (view diff)
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@suttonkoeser My jekyll site now displays web mentions with javascript using https://webmention.io/ (http://rlskoeser.github.io/updates/2016/05/18/mentions/) (twitter.com/_/status/732936783135006721)
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Jeena now I just also need the rsvps from meetup.com on my website; wonder when this will be added to bridgy ^^
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tantek tommorris++ for https://github.com/tommorris/django-httpequiv-status !
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Loqi tantek: tommorris left you a message 2 hours, 34 minutes ago: alpha django/python implementation of meta http-equiv status: https://github.com/tommorris/django-httpequiv-status http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-18/line/1463577030120
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Loqi tommorris has 95 karma
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@hs0ucy @suttonkoeser Cool! And how do you push to twitter? With webmention.io too? (twitter.com/_/status/732960371628199936)
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tommorris tantek: np. was a nice little "get back into writing Python" invitation
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tommorris sometimes, when in the middle of a large, fiddly mess, building a very small, simple thing and getting it out there is a win
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tantek indeed. and your implementation has helped inform me about how I can further improve the spec
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tommorris tantek: it's kind of a proof of concept - if you are using Django, there's not really much of a need to be able to set status codes with a http-equiv. but one implementation is better than zero.
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tantek kylewm implemented it as part of Redwind's Webmention receiving processing
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tantek but I think yours is the first library
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tommorris eventually, shouldn't be too hard for someone to build, say, an nginx or apache plugin which is a more useful place to put such code for a static site
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petermolnar http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/archiving-a-website-for-ten-thousand-years/482385/
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petermolnar Long web?
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snarfed1 longnow++
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PFMurph wow
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PFMurph that is cool!
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aaronpk this site actually has great examples of different card-style previews of posts https://hi.co/
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tantek.com edited /meta_http-equiv_status (+799) "/* Consuming Application Requirements */ split general consuming application and specific to webmention receiver" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /meta_http-equiv_status (+164) "/* Implementations */ note django implementation helps implement consuming application requirements" (view diff)
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aaronpk should "410" and "410 Gone" be treated the same?
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tantek yes, only the numerical code part of the HTTP status matters AFAIK
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tantek.com edited /meta_http-equiv_status (+1) "/* Background */ fix date/link of 2nd publishing implementation" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /meta_http-equiv_status (+132) "/* Implementations */ Redwind as a consuming app" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /meta_http-equiv_status (-1) "/* Consuming Application Requirements */" (view diff)
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hs0ucy help
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hs0ucy oups sorry about that :P
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tommorris tantek: I think you misunderstand. the Django middleware isn't a consumer implementation. it's a proof-of-concept server implementation.
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tommorris It checks all responses and rewrites the status code to match the http-equiv if it is there
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tommorris tantek: the only thing I'm slightly worried about is if it got widely adopted, it's something that would have to be scrubbed from any user input. if someone were to submit a 410 meta http-equiv, then Google were to index it...
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tommorris as in, it were in the body. then the server picks that HTML up and starts serving that page as 410 Gone. SEO funtimes!
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aaronpk seems like it might be best to only look for the meta tag in the html head?
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tommorris there's also some issues with how to handle streaming. will need to find or write a streaming HTML parser. if someone is sending a very large document, would need to handle that. (though if you are serving a 401, it probably ought to not be huge.)
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KevinMarks the meta should be in the first few packets though
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@uranther Sneak preview of my personal website done in #PhoenixFramework and skeleton-scss. Gonna be #indieweb! https://twitter.com/uranther/status/732976185802641409/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/732976185802641409)
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KevinMarks wasn't there some limit on how close to the top meta should be? I suppose someone could have made a facebook meta clump wiht a data url for the photo, but that would be daft
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tantek aaronpk - correct, the spec says only in the head
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aaronpk oh my. 2 weeks until indieweb summit.
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KevinMarks indieauth, or answers?
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tantek tommorris: I guess I didn't understand the default behavior aspect of the django implementation you made
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tantek e.g. does HttpEquivStatusMiddleware get automatically instantiated and process_response gets called?
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tommorris tantek: yep, by Django/WSGI. You could use it to serve HTML files. (In practice, you generally don't serve static files from Django.)
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tommorris Django Middleware is used specifically for doing stuff like parsing responses and changing them. I've got some Django middleware to make it so that when you go to a .json URL (or send an Accept header asking for JSON), it parses the HTML with mf2py and returns the JSON
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tantek.com edited /meta_http-equiv_status (-56) "/* Implementations */ fix django implementation description, subsections for Server Requirements, Consuming Application Requirements" (view diff)
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tantek tommorris: ok. better? https://indiewebcamp.com/meta_http-equiv_status#Implementations
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tommorris tantek: thanks. ;-)
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Loqi [indieweb] "The 2010 Social Networking Map http://web.archive.org/web/20120112002833/http://www.flowtown.com/blog/the-2010-social-networking-map Interesting how much has changed, so much the original posting site is gone... #IndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/the-2010-social-networking-map-web20120112002833blogthe-2010-social-networking-map-interesting-how-much-has
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tantek sigh, google code archive bug reports are dead: https://code.google.com/archive/p/google-buzz-api/issues/115
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tantek I'm just going to hypothesize that this is because the *database* behind those bug reports was yet another piece to archive (and thus fail)
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aaronpk what's wrong with the url?
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tantek I'll give you a hint: "There was an error obtaining the issue: {} " was not the content of the bug report :P
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bear code.google.com was deprecated and most projects moved to github
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tantek error obtaining the issue [from the database server that went offline]
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tantek bear, this was a bug filed against a project which was deprecated *before* code.google.com was deprecated
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aaronpk this is what i see https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-05-18-10-51-51.png
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tantek lol ok it's a js;dr problem
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tantek ok nevermind, database were not the problem
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tantek so that's actually kind of neat. google code goes down, but this issue is still somewhat readable.
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tantek new itch: really want automatic id attributes on my hN (h1, h2, h3, ... h6) tags when they lack them, kind of like automatic slug generation
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aaronpk totally. mediawiki does this well.
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tantek sorta
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KevinMarks fragmentions, dude
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tantek it doesn't drop punctuation well enough and escapes into ugly things
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tantek kevinmarks I often use a list at the top of my document to summarize and then have headings with the same text, so fragmentions would fail at that
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tantek where I want to link to the latter heading, not the first instance of the heading text
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KevinMarks ah, yes that is an issue with the wiki too
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Loqi [indieweb] "UX/UI enhancement: Blank syndication links being syndicated · Issue #23 · dshanske/syndication-links
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gRegorLove That [woodwind] confused me for a second. Thought Loqi was doing something crazy with Push from Woodwind, heh
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek yeah what was that?
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Loqi That! (or "that ^" or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply often emphasizing agreement with a This post, but sometimes[1] merely emphasizing agreement with a previous reply http://indiewebcamp.com/that
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gRegorLove Just Markdown in the original post
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tantek markdown--
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Loqi markdown has -2 karma
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gRegorLove Syndicated to Github, so I guess it makes sense
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tantek for yet another example of being in contradiction of its primary principle of being readable (not confusing) plain text
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@ChrisAldrich Indieweb and tea in the morning (@ Starbucks in Pasadena, CA) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/kuKXL6ygQzd https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/733002786154160128/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/733002786154160128)
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@sirmlivesey @Citizen751908 It really shouldn't be beyond the realms to adopt an indieweb hcard type thing. Enter all your social accounts and (twitter.com/_/status/733002827988078597)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Indieweb and tea in the morning Syndicated to:" http://boffosocko.com/2016/05/18/55672680/
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Jeena Todays HWC GOT at a new venue was nice, but I need a bigger battery for my laptop, basically no venue we had yet had access to electricy for us.
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tantek generator?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Indieweb and tea in the morning
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tantek Loqi, why so many blank lines/
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tantek ?
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Loqi woot!
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gRegorLove My mind translated that "HWC Game of Thrones"
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Jeena hehe
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tantek lol
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gRegorLove And I don't even watch the show, hah
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aaronpk probably implied p-name
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Jeena :D
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tantek pretty sure we decided that whitepsace processing for p-* properties can compress/collapse all that
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tantek s/whitepsace/whitespace
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Loqi tantek meant to say: pretty sure we decided that whitespace processing for p-* properties can compress/collapse all that
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aaronpk oh it's hentry backcompat
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tantek darnit
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tantek that we've definitely resolved on
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aaronpk is there an open issue on php-mf2 for it?
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tantek yes, and in the spec: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_for_implied_properties
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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tantek "Imply properties only on explicit h-x class name root microformat element (no backcompat roots) "
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tantek that should fix a ton of this noise
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Jeena I have now a list of three people who don't have facebook nor use feeds but want to get notified when the next hwc is
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aaronpk i don't understand that
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aaronpk Jeena: they can sign up for /this-week email newsletter :)
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tantek true!
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tantek aaronpk: "hentry" is a backcompat root, per http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Parser_Compatibility
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat draft standards suitable for embedding data in ...
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aaronpk in this case there's no mf2 on that page. it's just a matter of getting the mf1 hentry to be parsed into something reasonable.
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tantek aaronpk: right, the implied p-name does not apply to mf1
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tantek so parsers should not be generating it
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tantek but as for "something reasonable" that's a harder problem :P:
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aaronpk wow that's a beast of a parsed result http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrisaldrich.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F05%2F18%2F55672680%2F
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tantek viewing source on the wordpress.com example, there's an entry-summary which should be back compat parsed
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tantek and that should be "reasonable" for Loqi
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GWG Afternoon
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tantek that is, given no / empty p-name, Loqi could use / truncate the p-summary
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Loqi yo
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aaronpk i don't actually understand where the … came from
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GWG I always run to my phone when I hear WordPress
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tantek gotta fix this overimplying of properties for compat roots
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tantek that's clearly the root (so to speak) of so many problems
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aaronpk good thing we have loqi being a canary for these things then
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gRegorLove php-mf2 currently just converts legacy mf1 to mf2, then runs the mf2 parsing. Shouldn't be too difficult to keep track of the mf1 state. I'll need to read up on backcompat
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tantek gRegorLove: the mf2 parsing algorithm requires keeping track of whether a root (or property) class was from a backcompat conversion or not
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gRegorLove Understood
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GWG I appreciate how Chris Aldrich and his enthusiasm keeps moving the needle
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tantek aaronpk, gRegorLove looks like microformatsnode correctly does NOT imply the p-name, yet strangely includes some JS in the "summary" http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrisaldrich.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F05%2F18%2F55672680%2F&callback=&dateformat=auto
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gRegorLove Is a GH issue being opened? I can, if not.
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-05-18-homebrew-website-club (-63) (view diff)
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tantek taking a wild guess that Brighton didn't happen (I think adactio is in Boston for AEA)
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aaronpk AEA?
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miklb an event apart
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aaronpk ah
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-05-18-homebrew-website-club (-178) "Brighton canceled, organizer in Boston. DC hasn't found a new venue yet." (view diff)
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aaronpk speaking of adactio, the video from his talk in germany is online now! https://adactio.com/links/10634
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Jeremy Keith on Vimeo
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Jeena hm 514km accuracy for geolocation from my Firefox ...
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tantek what is Tilt?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Tilt" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10L_
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KevinMarks hm, I may have broken twitter by chaining >150 tweets into one reply
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aaronpk ooh does noterlive do that now?
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KevinMarks yes, changed it this week based on suggetsion by kyle
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aaronpk awesome
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KevinMarks wondering if I should do it for each speaker, or have a way to break the chain
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KevinMarks (well I can break it by relaoding the page
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aaronpk per session makes sense, like how you'd end up posting it on a blog
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KevinMarks right, a 2 hour keynote is a special case
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aaronpk ah
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KevinMarks I'll look at their collections api
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KevinMarks also, I need to add micropub so I don't have to make the posts by hand and be late fro lunch
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KevinMarks :D
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KevinMarks (not having micropub on my own site makes that 2 itches)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy #IndieWeb Birthday to Me! by Scott Kingery" by Scott Kingery http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/25/happy-indieweb-birthday-to-me/#comment-30592
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KevinMarks hah, because of the local caching by Peter Wilson, refreshing the page just flushes the previous tweet id, not anything else
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KevinMarks so I can create a section break that way
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uranther what's the opinion about Google's Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP)? Is this something that will disappear in a couple of years?
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KevinMarks that's a tricky one - as it's open sourced, they can't sunset ti completely, but if they stopped favouring them in search then the point goes away
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KevinMarks I'm hoping they will take some of the criticisms of replacing native elements unnecessarily on board
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KevinMarks and it will then be more like POSH
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sknebel doesn't it right now rely on their CDN to load components?
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sknebel that's another weakpoint, depending on how strict implementations are with that
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uranther So it may be worthwhile to implement on my website, then?
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uranther I just don't hear much about it - so it seems like the wider web community is not caring about it. But maybe I'm not listening in the right places.
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boffosocko.com edited /checkin (+263) "PESOS checkin with OwnYourCheckin" (view diff)
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miklb interesting
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aaronpk wow i should start using that
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gRegorLove uranther: I think larger publishers will definitely be adopting AMP if they haven't already. Hosted Wordpress.com supports it as well, I believe.
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gRegorLove uranther: For me, it's not worth implementing on my site, but maybe it is for you.
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gRegorLove What is Accelerated Mobile Pages?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Accelerated Mobile Pages" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10La
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gRegorLove What is AMP?
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Loqi AMP is Accelerated Mobile Pages, a Google-led project that speeds up a subset of HTML through caching and dependencies on google: http://indiewebcamp.com/AMP
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gregorlove.com moved /AMP to /Accelerated_Mobile_Pages "canonical name"
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uranther gRegorLove: I agree, it seems mostly helpful for content-heavy websites like NYTimes. I was thinking it would be a fun exercise to see how fast I can get my (content-light) website to load.
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gRegorLove Yeah, it's definitely a (kind of odd) response to JS-heavy, add-heavy sites.
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gRegorLove s/add-heavy/ad-heavy/
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: Yeah, it's definitely a (kind of odd) response to JS-heavy, ad-heavy sites.
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[kevinmarks] Known generates AMP pages by default
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aaronpk there's a conversation about linkedin happening in another chat room i'm in, (can I call Slack channels a chat room? is that allowed?) and I am wondering if there's some part of the appeal of linkedin that we could bring to indieweb resumes
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snarfed still doesn't have a linkedin account
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aaronpk one of the benefits for me of having my resume on linkedin is that they've gone to the trouble of figuring out how to lay things out and where to put things, so I just fill in the details
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snarfed isn't proud
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aaronpk when i'm staring at a blank HTML page, there's a lot more cognitive stress about what to write first, that it makes it harder to actually put my resume info on my site
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aaronpk so I wonder if there was some sort of resume template I could copy, if that would make it easier to do that on my site
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[kevinmarks] We did have h-resume that was based on LinkedIn among others
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aaronpk right but that's not the same as UI/display guidelines
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[kevinmarks] True that. Playing with h-review and indiecards was interesting there.
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tantek aaronpk that analysis about cognitive stress is spot on
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tantek and it's true for resumes, for 'contact' (aboutme style) sites, etc.
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aaronpk i guess that's why people like the little js widgets you can drop into a page too
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tantek sure, that's the flip side of it
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aaronpk last.fm listening stats came to mind
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tantek but also why squarespace templates are appealing
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tantek reads logs
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tantek sees Jeena's query re: meetup
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tantek what is meetup
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lb
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tantek what is meetup.com
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup.com" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lc
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tantek !tell Jeena It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lb
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk lol
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tantek aaronpk, speaking of having others provide templates to re-use, works for prose too :D
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tantek what is WSGI?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/wsgi
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tantek apparently LA is canceled tonight
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tantek.com edited /wsgi (+178) "stub, dfn, see also" (view diff)
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@calum_ryan Geolocation added tonight on https://t.co/ODxfofS0xn, next up displaying current weather status for posts (coz I'm British) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/733064309715111937)
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tantek ok I'm starting to get annoyed at the FB practice of people "tagging you" in a post with a location masquerading as a checkin which FB then notifies you as "So and so said they were with you at location"
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aaronpk heh oops. foursquare fixed that already too.
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tantek oh right they did
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tantek well FB has that distinction too - you can mention people in the prose of the checkin, instead of "tagging" them in it
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aaronpk hm so something about their interface encourages people to use the tagging feature "inappropriately"?
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tantek it's just that people (or their reaction to the UI? maybe mobile UI? mobile app UI?) seem to actively choose to use "tag someone in this post" as a FBism FYI
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tantek yeah
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tantek one of the few situations that compel me to "untag"
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tantek uh oh
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tantek what is untag
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "untag" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Le
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tantek what is remove tag
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "remove tag" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lf
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tantek drat
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tantek Hmm, maybe I can blow that off until *someone* actually expresses interest in publishing/consuming "tag-of" /tag-reply posts first
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aaronpk nerdsniped yourself?
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tantek then we can talk about "untag-of" :P
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tantek I'm interesting in supporting publishing "tag-of" /tag-reply posts
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tantek if anyone is interested in supporting receiving/consuming them!
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tantek what is a page?
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Loqi page is short for webpage on the IndieWeb, and can by default be marked up with h-entry (like body class=h-entry) for link-preview purposes unless the page serves a more specific purpose like a homepage or an event https://indiewebcamp.com/page
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tantek what is a Facebook Page?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Facebook Page" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lg
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tantek A Facebook Page is a form of identity on Facebook that has its own profile like other identities, and a set of administrators who can take action on Facebook as the identity of that Facebook Page.
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loqi.me created /Facebook_Page (+221) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-18/line/1463612622568 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2016-05-18-fb-pages-like-as-page.png]]""
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GWG I seem to be stuck here for a bit.
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GWG Anyone have any thoughts to occupy me?
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tantek.com edited /Facebook_Page (+1226) "examples, features, pages feed with UI screenshot, see also" (view diff)
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tantek GWG what kinds of response posts do you find you post the most often?
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GWG Bookmark.
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GWG Although I classify anything I have a shareable reaction to as a bookmark,which I have in the past struggled with
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GWG And now with reacji I am doubly confused
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2016-05-18-fb-pages-feed-empty.png]]""
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tantek.com edited /Facebook_Page (+171) "/* Pages Feed */ empty pages feed" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+48) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ LA on hold til 2016-07-13" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (+16) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ No Brighton or DC today" (view diff)
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /2016/Leaders (+0) "pshht alphabet schmalphabet" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-56) "no Brighton, LA, DC today" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: I disabled the ability for people to tag me in FB checkin posts for that reason
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tantek.com edited /Events (-95) "Göteborg, Portland, SF tonight. archive last week's HWC" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove: still about 80-90% legit uses for me
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gRegorLove I actually don't recall if that means they can't tag me in checkins at all, or if I have to approve it before it appears publicly. Might be the latter.
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gRegorLove Will the paid registrations show up on http://2016.indieweb.org/, or just on the wiki?
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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gRegorLove Looks like there have been 13 paid registrations