#indiewebcamp 2016-05-20

2016-05-20 UTC
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@iwontsignuphere Say Indiiiieeee! @indiewebcamp @btconf https://www.flickr.com/photos/sickonsunday/27025721842/sizes/o/ https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/733453015076765696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/733453015076765696)
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tantek Nice work Julie https://www.flickr.com/photos/sickonsunday/27025721842/sizes/o/
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@gRegorLove @Rachelskirts @heatherface Maybe my project at @indiewebcamp should be to re-create star.me for personal sites. (twitter.com/_/status/733469161070858244)
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@Rachelskirts @gRegorLove @heatherface @indiewebcamp: DO IT. (twitter.com/_/status/733469263231602688)
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tantek what is star.me?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "star.me" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lm
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gRegorLove star.me was a social network/game that allowed you to send digital stickers to your friends and arrange them on your profile.
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loqi.me created /star.me (+152) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-19/line/1463707881439 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove (Very unlikely to be my project, just fun reminiscing. It was a really unique, fun social site)
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gRegorLove Ze Frank made it, I think Buzzfeed bought it
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tantek aaronpk: speaking of challenging posts to show up as text, I wonder how this renders for you in your IRC reader, and Woodwind: http://tantek.com/2016/140/t1/indiewebcamp-dusseldorf-twitchy-gif
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Thanks @iwontsignuphere for an awesome @indiewebcamp Düsseldorf group twitchy GIF!
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tantek sigh. another example of bad alt txt
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tantek hmm I wonder if that's a post type separate from photo and video or just a type of them
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tantek I got the term twitchy GIF from this: http://mentalfloss.com/article/28462/12-twitchy-stereoscopic-photographs
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tantek is that term for them or is there a better term?
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tantek ah this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiggle_stereoscopy
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tantek what was that search comparison thing where you could check different terms / phrases usage?
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tantek tried google compare but got this: https://www.google.com/compare/ :(
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[kevinmarks] Trends
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loqi.me created /Google_Compare (+151) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] There was an app that made guys with minimal motion
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tantek kevinmarks, Trends is giving me a lot of https://www.google.com/trends/resources/1028606408-preloader.gif
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tantek.com edited /performance (+78) "preloader gif" (view diff)
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tantek interesting! twitch gif vs wiggle gif is actually in flux and about to swap! https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22twitch%20gif%22%2C%20%22wiggle%20gif%22
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tantek.com edited /2016/Sessions (+12) "link to current thinking on session topics" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22twitch%20gif%22%2C%20%22wiggle%20gif%22%20%22vr%20gif%22
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[kevinmarks] I have a winner
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[kevinmarks] 3d gif also has a lot
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@indiewebcamp RT @iwontsignuphere Say Indiiiieeee! @indiewebcamp @btconf https://www.flickr.com/photos/sickonsunday/27025721842/sizes/o/ https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/733453015076765696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/733486455356461056)
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techlifeweb Getting started with Quill and using micropub for Wordpress (https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/). Can anyone guide me to where to put the syndicate-to links as mentioned in the docs for quill? (https://quill.p3k.io/docs#syndication)
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GWG techlifeweb: Right now, nothing supports that exactly.
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techlifeweb GWG: ah...ok then
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miklb nothing?
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GWG Well, I added support for the WordPress Micropub plugin to send the syndication targets.
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GWG But it doesn't connect up to anything unless someone builds the connection.
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GWG But I had planned to try to hook it into Bridgy Publish at some point.
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miklb OK. so the clarification on "nothing" is nothing in the WP micropub plugin :)
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GWG Yes. I just put in a filter
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-05-18-homebrew-website-club (+103) "/* Notes */ kevinmarks notes" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-05-18-homebrew-website-club (+308) "/* Photos */ add from kevinmarks" (view diff)
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tantek that should work for the newsletter
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@webrocker Putting the ‚I‘ in Indieweb: https://www.webrocker.de/?p=24560 (twitter.com/_/status/733554256767111169)
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cweiske what is stackoverflow?
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Loqi Stack Overflow is a question and answer silo specifically for programmers https://indiewebcamp.com/StackOverflow
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cweiske is someone posseing to stackoverflow?
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jihaisse nope
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jihaisse but I’m using it a lot in my job
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cweiske I'm thinking about taking all my good answers back to my own site
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jihaisse why not
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jihaisse in case of stackoverflow wen
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jihaisse went down
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jihaisse or shut down
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KartikPrabhu what about the questions?
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cweiske they have to be part of my local posts, too
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: yes good point. I look forward to Stackoverlfow POSSEing or PESOSing
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sknebel Stack overflow even has a clear license situation on user-generated content
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sknebel so you can copy questions and others answers
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sknebel to a public site without worrying to much
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petermolnar morning all
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petermolnar is anyone, who's posting pictures and adding location separately (either with some mobile magic or manually) backfilling the image EXIF with that location?
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cweiske I don't post them, but I'm sometimes tracking locations with my phone and merge those gpx data back into the photo exif data at home
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cweiske so that I can geo-filter the photos in digikam
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/Geotagging%20Photos.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Geotagging Photos
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cweiske oh how I love my site search
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petermolnar nice
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petermolnar I was looking into this via exiftool
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@jkphl The @openSUSE conference schedule is up incl. our #IndieWeb Hack Day and @CoderDojoNBG #2. Meet there? https://events.opensuse.org/conference/oSC16/schedule (twitter.com/_/status/733571413164974080)
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cweiske petermolnar, digikam has a "gps correlator" plugin that I also use
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-05-20%20digikam%20gps%20correlator.png
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@jkphl @webrocker Jetzt gibt aber jemand Gas hier, wa? Coole Sachen da! :) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/733576757735870464)
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petermolnar thank you cweiske, I didn't know that about digikam
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gnb.io edited /WordPress/Examples (+305) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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@gregnbaker A brief outline of the design and setup of my site implementing #IndieWeb principles: My IndieWebSite - http://gnb.io/gnb/2016/indiewebsite/ (twitter.com/_/status/733613694760955904)
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@openSUSE RT @jkphl The @openSUSE conference schedule is up incl. our #IndieWeb Hack Day and @CoderDojoNBG #2. Meet there? https://events.opensuse.org/conference/oSC16/schedule (twitter.com/_/status/733614431746285568)
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@AlejosAngel RT @jkphl The @openSUSE conference schedule is up incl. our #IndieWeb Hack Day and @CoderDojoNBG #2. Meet there? https://events.opensuse.org/conference/oSC16/schedule (twitter.com/_/status/733615283101913088)
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@cdevroe @adactio Please excuse the “blob” my site just pinged to your site. I’m still setting up WebMentions. (twitter.com/_/status/733634894505578496)
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GWG petermolnar, saw your note from earlier re location.
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GWG I started a rewrite of my location plugin that was supposed to do what you suggested last year
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GWG I keep trying to get back to it.
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voxpelli do anyone have a good strategy for progressively enhancing/gracefully degrading between a complex CSS-file that requires many modern things like flexbox etc and a simpler CSS that all older browsers can be expected to support?
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Loqi voxpelli: miklb left you a message on 5/16 at 12:28pm: if you give me a basic idea on what I need to a syndication links, I think I can flesh out the rest http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-16/line/1463426908780
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voxpelli !tell miklb Add a "queryHandler:" similar to the existing "handler:" in the main file and have it return data that has been specified in sites.js
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk this looks interesting as a possible way to build some simple indieweb interactions for iOS http://www.jasonclient.org/webapp/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Putting the I in IndieWeb" https://www.webrocker.de/2016/05/20/putting-the-i-in-indieweb/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/05/20/4/)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "My IndieWebSite – GNB" http://gnb.io/gnb/2016/indiewebsite/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/05/20/6/)
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miklb aaronpk that is pretty neat
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Loqi miklb: voxpelli left you a message 1 hour ago: Add a "queryHandler:" similar to the existing "handler:" in the main file and have it return data that has been specified in sites.js http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-20/line/1463753518570
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@jmenglund03 Curious if any other #indieweb folks will be at this weekend's #wcmpls. If so, would love to chat. (twitter.com/_/status/733681699683508224)
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@trent_g I can now post updates to my Known site that syndicates immediately to Twitter. I own and host this content on my own domain. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/733683882252500992)
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@btconf RT @iwontsignuphere Say Indiiiieeee! @indiewebcamp @btconf https://www.flickr.com/photos/sickonsunday/27025721842/sizes/o/ https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/733453015076765696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/733685199297470465)
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@m_ott RT @iwontsignuphere Say Indiiiieeee! @indiewebcamp @btconf https://www.flickr.com/photos/sickonsunday/27025721842/sizes/o/ https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/733453015076765696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/733688308203696129)
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uranther http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjameswheaton.me
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uranther Is this is a bug? I am using LetsEncrypt
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KartikPrabhu uranther: I can't access your site on FF too
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uranther Firefox, hmm? Let me check
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KartikPrabhu " SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG"
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uranther Works for me
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aaronpk uranther: check your SSL stuff here https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=jameswheaton.me
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KartikPrabhu yeah^
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uranther It may be DNS still propagating?
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uranther I just switched servers on this domain
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sknebel uranther: could be, I can access the site
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uranther That test gives me a grade "B" and "Warning: Inconsistent server configuration"
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uranther Thanks for the link aaronpk. I will fiddle with my Nginx config to see if I can improve that test result
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bear what is https
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Loqi HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS
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bear uranther ^^ that has a Test section that talks about how to check your SSL config
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uranther excellent! Thank you.
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bear and for nginx configs, I pretty much just point folks to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS
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bear they have a config generator that is very accurate
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uranther oh - very helpful! It seems hard to find authoritative info about this sort of thing.
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bear yea, it's gotten a lot better in the last couple of years
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[kylewm] snowden++
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Loqi snowden has 1 karma
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uranther :D
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bear snowden++
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Loqi snowden has 2 karma
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uranther snowden++
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Loqi snowden has 3 karma
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uranther he deserves many more karma than that!
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bear also the rampant openssl exploits
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@uranther Some useful sites to test your @letsencrypt setup, thanks to #indieweb IRC: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS & https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ (twitter.com/_/status/733697995728912384)
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@uranther Wikis ftw! @letsencrypt @indiewebcamp https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS (twitter.com/_/status/733699771144278016)
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@m_ott Clearly beats the Nutella & strawberry pizza we had at #IndieWebCamp 😉 /cc @justb3a @aaronpk @webgefrickel &&others https://twitter.com/tkadlec/status/733633599442944000 (twitter.com/_/status/733703672731996162)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I'm always a fan of instructions being built intuitively into the UI flow, to guide new users along, especially if they have a solid idea" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/im-always-a-fan-of-instructions-being-built-intuitively-into
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snarfed ^ that's chris posseing to github, which is pretty damn cool. more and more people doing that recently.
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/673#issuecomment-220671396
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snarfed another relevant google io talk today, 1pm pst, "Progressive Web Apps across all frameworks"
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snarfed https://events.google.com/io2016/schedule#day3/f7621cfd-0bef-e511-a517-00155d5066d7
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/indieweb-summit-is-soon-if-you-care-about-the-open
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@benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/733723751326593025)
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[benatwork] mapkyca++ for the github plugin
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Loqi mapkyca has 7 karma
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@myriadmystic RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/733725988605939712)
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@nitot RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/733730024059195392)
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@wpmudev Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=153678 #wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/733730270063403008)
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@GPL_Life RT @wpmudev Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=153678 #wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/733732154555801600)
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@muc_webdesigner Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=153678 #wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/733733396384485376)
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@clintlalonde RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/733733520053428224)
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@topavuk RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/733735332789780480)
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colintedford kylewm: Able to document this yet? "a lot of web hosting companies are basically internet scams preying on inexperienced ppl" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-29/line/1443587436382
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Loqi [kylewmahan] realizing tonight that a lot of web hosting companies are basically internet scams preying on inexperienced ppl. big challenge for #indieweb
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cweiske I finally added a mobile friendly image gallery to my blog. the most fun was adding data-size attributes containing the image sizes to 30 blog posts automatically: http://www.bogo/tagebuch/sh-cmd-1.htm
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cweiske err
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/sh-cmd-1.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Shell command of the day: Image size as XML attributes
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cweiske Which I could only do because my blog posts are XHTML, thus editable with XML tools
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colintedford !tell kylewm: Able to document this yet? "a lot of web hosting companies are basically internet scams preying on inexperienced ppl" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-29/line/1443587436382
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-05-20.html I'll generate it again in an hour and it will be sent out at 2pm.
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[kevinmarks] I need to remember to ping indie news with mine
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/service_worker needs a better definition, or we need to fix Loqi to not truncate after "e.g. "
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Loqi yeah!
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colintedford aaronpk: Could the Week in Indieweb pages/emails maybe use https urls so people who are logged in to the wiki can still be logged in when they click the links?
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tantek other than that this week's this week looks good
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sknebel service worker article: yes, someone who actually knows how they work please fix that ;)
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aaronpk good idea on https. the next build should fix that
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ben_thatmustbeme https++
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Loqi https has 1 karma
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colintedford aaronpk++ thanks!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Bookmark to get Zegnat's awesome writeup of the demos from IWC Düsseldorf some more publicity via IndieNews." https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Demos (from http://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2016/5/3/)
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sknebel ok, that didn't work
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sknebel ah, ok, it takes my title
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miklb aaronpk if I have syndicate-to properly configured, should I see it in the Quill UI?
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aaronpk yes, quill checks when you first log in, but then there's also a "reload" button on the new note UI which should fetch your syndication endpoints again
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aaronpk make sure you're using the latest spec, i've been keeping quill up to date with it http://micropub.net/draft/#syndication-targets
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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miklb ah, OK
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miklb aaronpk also, just got this after signing out and trying to sign back in. Trying to authenticate wth github http://cdn.miklb.com/images/Slim_Application_Error_2016-05-20_16-10-42.png
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aaronpk ah crap
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Loqi :-/
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aaronpk fixed
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miklb yep. Thanks.
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aaronpk i pushed up some changes this morning, a lot of which i wrote on the plane back from germany :)
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KevinMarks Gillmor Gang time
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miklb what is Gilmor Gang
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Gilmor Gang" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lo
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aaronpk KevinMarks: mention indieweb summit and the travel assistance fund!
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miklb what is Gillmor Gang
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Gillmor Gang" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lp
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KevinMarks not sure the GG audience is a good fit for travel assistance
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tantek what is GG?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GG" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ls
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aaronpk GG is [[Gillmor Gang]]
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loqi.me created /GG (+25) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-20/line/1463775646927 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is Gillmor Gang?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Gillmor Gang" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lt
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[shaners] This feels like one of those times of “do we really need this on the wiki?”.
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tantek shaners, except there's a direct IndieWeb connection, KevinMarks often talks about IndieWeb on Gillmor Gang podcasts
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tantek it's not just a random technical term or random org
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www.svenknebel.de edited /service_worker (+20) "reworded, removed e.g. for nicer summary" (view diff)
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[shaners] Adactio has spoken on podcasts about indieweb. Should be put all of those on the wiki?
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aaronpk kevin is on this almost every week
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tantek shaners, yes
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[shaners] not it!
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tantek anything indieweb related is worth putting on the wiki, and sure it's up to someone to care enough to do it
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aaronpk if there's a direct indieweb connection then generally yes
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[shaners] A lot of words were typed supporting the idea of put “Gilmore Gang” on the wiki. But no one’s said what it is yet.
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tantek shaners, but that's not the problem. the problem is when someone is passionate about something totally not indieweb related, and wants to add it to the wiki, *that* is one of those times of “do we really need this on the wiki?”.
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[shaners] sure
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[shaners] of course
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[emmak] aaronpk: the micropub spec mentions "mp-syndicate-to", but quill is sending "syndicate-to" to my endpoint
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[emmak] wondering whether i should support one or the other, or both?
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-05-20.html
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aaronpk [emmak]: oh wow really? i should probably fix that in quill
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aaronpk i guess p3k treats them the same
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[emmak] was syndicate-to the older version?
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aaronpk probably
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miklb [emmak] where does it mention mp-syndicate-to?
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KevinMarks hah https://twitter.com/haneycodes/status/733750690246430720
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@haneycodes @jongalloway "foo is bloated, I built bar, a minimal foo!" "Great! Can you add X, Y, Z?" "Sure!" "bar is bloated, I invented baz..." #repeat (twitter.com/_/status/733750690246430720)
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[emmak] http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub and http://micropub.net/draft/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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KevinMarks hm, my indienews syndication of http://www.kevinmarks.com/io2016-05-18.html failed
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Loqi Google I/O 2016-05-18
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tantek decent progressive web apps session
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-05-18" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-05-18.html
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tantek * design for constrained devices
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Jeena I'm trying to get woodwind running on my computer but it seems it doesn't work with sqlite anymore even though the readme says it does
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 1 day, 22 hours ago: It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lb http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-18/line/1463609587746
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aaronpk KevinMarks: there it goes
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tantek lol "deeplinks"
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KevinMarks aka links
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tantek nah, they mean them in the context of native mobile app "states"
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tantek basically, take links, which were already fragile, and make them A LOT more fragile
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KevinMarks right, but with progressive web apps they are links
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KevinMarks Instant Apps is trying to make java apps do that
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jeena.net created /meetup.com (+221) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-18/line/1463609560272" (view diff)
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tantek Jeena - I didn't see any evidence of a syndication link to Meetup on your indie events - even tried view source - did I miss something? (you'd need that to get backfeed to work)
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tantek !tell Jeena once you have such syndication links from your indie events to their POSSE copies on Meetup.com, then you can file feature request issues on Github for backfeed of RSVPs, and perhaps Bridgy Publish POSSE to Meetup support, similar to the Lanyrd feature requests here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+meetup
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeena yeah I didn't have the nerve to add backlinks but I will
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 4 minutes ago: once you have such syndication links from your indie events to their POSSE copies on Meetup.com, then you can file feature request issues on Github for backfeed of RSVPs, and perhaps Bridgy Publish POSSE to Meetup support, similar to the Lanyrd feature requests here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+meetup http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-20/line/1463777474550
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@sl007 @aral @moxie (@kaepora) stop disrespecting. Join a world of perfect harmony and attend next @indiewebcamp s ! (2/2) (twitter.com/_/status/733763560329891840)
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miklb [emmak] ah, in http://micropub.net/draft/#syndication-targets didn't see it there, but in vocabulary it does? http://micropub.net/draft/#examples-of-creating-objects
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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[emmak] syndication targets is a bit different, since its asking the micropub endpoint what syndications it supports
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[emmak] should syndication targets also use mp-syndicate-to for consistency?
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miklb that's what I was getting at
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-05-20.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/733769273508659200/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/733769273508659200)
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[emmak] aaronpk any thoughts on changing the spec for consistency?
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aaronpk i guess the more fundamental question is whether the "syndicate-to" is considered part of the post or not
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aaronpk it turns out that after implementing it in p3k, it made more sense to treat it as a property of the post and is stored along with the rest of the post properties
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tantek does it end up somewhere on the permalink?
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aaronpk and then a background process comes along and sees that in the post, then does the syndication and then removes it
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aaronpk it does end up on the permalink if you use bridgy publish
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aaronpk or indienews
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[emmak] but the bridgy publish link is a bit different than what is in the original mp-syndicate-to request
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tantek aaronpk, interesting, are these mp-syndicate-to properties the equivalent of the links to Bridgy that Bridgy wants in order to do Bridgy Publish POSSE?
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aaronpk well the micropub spec leaves the actual values up to the micropub endpoint
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aaronpk but you *could* use the same string that bridgy wants
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aaronpk that's how p3k does it
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[emmak] oh, so in theory i could change the value to "brid.gy/publish/twitter"
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tantek converging / comparing those two would be helpful
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aaronpk yeah the micropub spec and quill don't care *what* the value is, quill just passes it along to the micropub endpoint
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[emmak] never thought of doing it that way
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aaronpk someone wanted me to remove the specific twitter/facebook examples from the spec, so that's why you see like "https://myfavoritesocialnetwork.example/aaronpk" in the spec
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aaronpk but you could definitely use "https://brid.gy/publish/twitter" there
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KevinMarks is using bridgy in the spec a bad idea?
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[emmak] i think its an interesting use case that didn't occur to me
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[emmak] since bridgy publish requires a bridgy link in the original post
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aaronpk KevinMarks: yes, the spec should only include fake services, things like example.com and *.example
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tantek I would say using bridgy in the spec a bad idea
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KevinMarks this is one of those odd things, where specs are supposed to be Platonic ideals
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KevinMarks so instead of putting actual examples in, we put fake exampe.com things
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aaronpk that's what tutorials are for right? :D
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aaronpk also we can put practical examples on the wiki
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@sl007 Indiiiieeee! https://www.flickr.com/photos/sickonsunday/27025721842/sizes/o/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/733453015076765696 (twitter.com/_/status/733774286834569217)
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[emmak] so if mp-syndicate-to is part of the post, what mf property is it stored in?
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aaronpk right now p3k stores it in a property called "syndicate-to"
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[emmak] u-mf-syndicate-to or p-mf-syndicate-to?
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aaronpk the prefix is not part of the parsed result or storage
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tantek hey I remember when we used to do this: https://twitter.com/jlibraryist/status/733706546618699776
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@jlibraryist @Snowden And Lesson #2… We should be archiving company blogs. (twitter.com/_/status/733706546618699776)
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aaronpk and p3k uses just "syndicate-to" right now, not "mp-syndicate-to"
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[emmak] wondering whether they're assumed to be urls or just any string
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aaronpk quill doesn't care if it's a url or not
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aaronpk your endpoint can decide whether to make them always URLs
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aaronpk the nice thing is the client doesn't need to care, and your endpoint and my endpoint can do it differently and everything still works fine
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KevinMarks though we didn't keep a change history of posts, except in backups
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@kevinmarks “organizing is hard. Really hard. It means starting from the bottom. It means looking for pain.” https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/why-neither-corporate-party-has-control-b1ef773cfe38 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/733776628631916547)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“organizing is hard. Really hard. It means starting from the bottom. It means looking for pain.” https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/why-neither-corporate-party-has-control-b1ef773cfe38 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/organizing-is-hard-really-hard-it-means-starting-from-the
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-05-18.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-tonights-homebrew-website-club-sf-hwc2016-05-18html-indieweb
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aaronpk rhiaro: i really do wish you would get rid of the first p-name ": post" thing on your posts http://rhiaro.co.uk/2016/05/breaking-news-san
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Loqi [Amy Guy] : post
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aaronpk if it weren't for that, these posts would look great in my reader
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miklb just when I thought I had this syndication target figured out, the goal posts moved a little :-P
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aaronpk oh crap. i just realized june 1 is like a couple days away.
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aaronpk that's the day ownyourgram is going to stop working unless i do something about it
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KevinMarks <data class="p-name" value=": post"></data> hm, that is odd
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KevinMarks should we be parsing <data> ?
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tantek KevinMarks: we are
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tantek since like a long time ago
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KevinMarks is this updated value class?
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tantek Alex Russell is doing a good job
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tantek KevinMarks: no, why do you ask? there is no class="value"
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colintedford.com moved /perl to /Perl "caps"
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tantek this is just properly parsing the data element, like we're properly parsing the time element
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KevinMarks I mean the <data> element replaces http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern
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Loqi Value Class Pattern
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KevinMarks as in we now have a formal HTML way to do this
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tantek yes, welcome to 2011 or so :)
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colintedford.com edited /Dreamhost (+917) "services, indieweb example, Known sponsorship" (view diff)
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks I was confusing <data> with a data attribute
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tantek well, close, <data> replaces http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Parsing_value_from_a_title_attribute in particular
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Loqi Value Class Pattern
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tantek and I should perhaps note that inline in the spec
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KevinMarks makes sense
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KevinMarks http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#limited_use_of_value-title could apply to <data> too
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Loqi Value Class Pattern
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tantek good catch
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tantek aside: wapo.com/pwa the progressive webapp version of Washington Post's website
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tantek KevinMarks, thanks for the "playing naive web developer" as it definitely just helped improve the spec :)
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rhiaro aaronpk... I guess I'll fix the post name thing now
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: are you coming to the Leaders Summit? Can you RSVP here accordingly? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#RSVP http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-12/line/1463083099732
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boffosocko.com edited /events/2016-05-25-homebrew-website-club (+76) "/* Regrets */ Chris Aldrich" (view diff)
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KevinMarks this is good criticism: https://medium.com/@tristanharris/how-technology-hijacks-peoples-minds-from-a-magician-and-google-s-design-ethicist-56d62ef5edf3#.ybu035qcq
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tantek criticism of what?
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tantek hey welcome back rhiaro :)
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KevinMarks silo default practices
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KevinMarks is that a glitch, rhiaro, or were you using that to mean something when parsing yourself?
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rhiaro it's a bug
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rhiaro aaronpk: fixed
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aaronpk Yaaayayyyyy