#indiewebcamp 2016-05-20

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@webrocker
Putting the ‚I‘ in Indieweb: https://www.webrocker.de/?p=24560
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cweiske
what is stackoverflow?
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Loqi
Stack Overflow is a question and answer silo specifically for programmers https://indiewebcamp.com/StackOverflow
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cweiske
is someone posseing to stackoverflow?
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jihaisse
but I’m using it a lot in my job
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cweiske
I'm thinking about taking all my good answers back to my own site
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jihaisse
why not
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jihaisse
in case of stackoverflow wen
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jihaisse
went down
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jihaisse
or shut down
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KartikPrabhu
what about the questions?
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cweiske
they have to be part of my local posts, too
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KartikPrabhu
cweiske: yes good point. I look forward to Stackoverlfow POSSEing or PESOSing
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sknebel
Stack overflow even has a clear license situation on user-generated content
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sknebel
so you can copy questions and others answers
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sknebel
to a public site without worrying to much
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petermolnar
morning all
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petermolnar
is anyone, who's posting pictures and adding location separately (either with some mobile magic or manually) backfilling the image EXIF with that location?
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cweiske
I don't post them, but I'm sometimes tracking locations with my phone and merge those gpx data back into the photo exif data at home
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cweiske
so that I can geo-filter the photos in digikam
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Loqi
[Christian Weiske] Geotagging Photos
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cweiske
oh how I love my site search
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petermolnar
I was looking into this via exiftool
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@jkphl
The @openSUSE conference schedule is up incl. our #IndieWeb Hack Day and @CoderDojoNBG #2. Meet there? https://events.opensuse.org/conference/oSC16/schedule
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cweiske
petermolnar, digikam has a "gps correlator" plugin that I also use
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@jkphl
@webrocker Jetzt gibt aber jemand Gas hier, wa? Coole Sachen da! :) #indieweb
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petermolnar
thank you cweiske, I didn't know that about digikam
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gnb.io
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@gregnbaker
A brief outline of the design and setup of my site implementing #IndieWeb principles: My IndieWebSite - http://gnb.io/gnb/2016/indiewebsite/
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@openSUSE
RT @jkphl The @openSUSE conference schedule is up incl. our #IndieWeb Hack Day and @CoderDojoNBG #2. Meet there? https://events.opensuse.org/conference/oSC16/schedule
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@AlejosAngel
RT @jkphl The @openSUSE conference schedule is up incl. our #IndieWeb Hack Day and @CoderDojoNBG #2. Meet there? https://events.opensuse.org/conference/oSC16/schedule
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@cdevroe
@adactio Please excuse the “blob” my site just pinged to your site. I’m still setting up WebMentions.
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GWG
petermolnar, saw your note from earlier re location.
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GWG
I started a rewrite of my location plugin that was supposed to do what you suggested last year
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GWG
I keep trying to get back to it.
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voxpelli
do anyone have a good strategy for progressively enhancing/gracefully degrading between a complex CSS-file that requires many modern things like flexbox etc and a simpler CSS that all older browsers can be expected to support?
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Loqi
voxpelli: miklb left you a message on 5/16 at 12:28pm: if you give me a basic idea on what I need to a syndication links, I think I can flesh out the rest http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-16/line/1463426908780
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voxpelli
!tell miklb Add a "queryHandler:" similar to the existing "handler:" in the main file and have it return data that has been specified in sites.js
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
this looks interesting as a possible way to build some simple indieweb interactions for iOS http://www.jasonclient.org/webapp/
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "My IndieWebSite – GNB" http://gnb.io/gnb/2016/indiewebsite/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/05/20/6/)
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miklb
aaronpk that is pretty neat
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Loqi
miklb: voxpelli left you a message 1 hour ago: Add a "queryHandler:" similar to the existing "handler:" in the main file and have it return data that has been specified in sites.js http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-20/line/1463753518570
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@jmenglund03
Curious if any other #indieweb folks will be at this weekend's #wcmpls. If so, would love to chat.
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@trent_g
I can now post updates to my Known site that syndicates immediately to Twitter. I own and host this content on my own domain. #indieweb
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uranther
Is this is a bug? I am using LetsEncrypt
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KartikPrabhu
uranther: I can't access your site on FF too
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uranther
Firefox, hmm? Let me check
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KartikPrabhu
" SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG"
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uranther
Works for me
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uranther
It may be DNS still propagating?
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uranther
I just switched servers on this domain
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sknebel
uranther: could be, I can access the site
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uranther
That test gives me a grade "B" and "Warning: Inconsistent server configuration"
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uranther
Thanks for the link aaronpk. I will fiddle with my Nginx config to see if I can improve that test result
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bear
what is https
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Loqi
HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS
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bear
uranther ^^ that has a Test section that talks about how to check your SSL config
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uranther
excellent! Thank you.
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bear
and for nginx configs, I pretty much just point folks to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS
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bear
they have a config generator that is very accurate
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uranther
oh - very helpful! It seems hard to find authoritative info about this sort of thing.
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bear
yea, it's gotten a lot better in the last couple of years
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[kylewm]
snowden++
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Loqi
snowden has 1 karma
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uranther
:D
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bear
snowden++
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Loqi
snowden has 2 karma
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uranther
snowden++
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Loqi
snowden has 3 karma
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uranther
he deserves many more karma than that!
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bear
also the rampant openssl exploits
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@m_ott
Clearly beats the Nutella & strawberry pizza we had at #IndieWebCamp 😉 /cc @justb3a @aaronpk @webgefrickel &&others https://twitter.com/tkadlec/status/733633599442944000
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Loqi
[indieweb] "I'm always a fan of instructions being built intuitively into the UI flow, to guide new users along, especially if they have a solid idea" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/im-always-a-fan-of-instructions-being-built-intuitively-into
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snarfed
^ that's chris posseing to github, which is pretty damn cool. more and more people doing that recently.
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snarfed
another relevant google io talk today, 1pm pst, "Progressive Web Apps across all frameworks"
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Loqi
[indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/indieweb-summit-is-soon-if-you-care-about-the-open
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@benwerd
IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech
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[benatwork]
mapkyca++ for the github plugin
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Loqi
mapkyca has 7 karma
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@myriadmystic
RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech
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@nitot
RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech
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@wpmudev
Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=153678 #wpmudev
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@GPL_Life
RT @wpmudev Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=153678 #wpmudev
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@muc_webdesigner
Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=153678 #wpmudev
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@clintlalonde
RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech
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colintedford.com
edited /web_hosting (+128) "/* Shared Hosting */ +me"
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colintedford.com
edited /web_hosting (+12) "/* Shared Hosting */ +date for me"
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@topavuk
RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech
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colintedford
kylewm: Able to document this yet? "a lot of web hosting companies are basically internet scams preying on inexperienced ppl" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-29/line/1443587436382
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Loqi
[kylewmahan] realizing tonight that a lot of web hosting companies are basically internet scams preying on inexperienced ppl. big challenge for #indieweb
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cweiske
I finally added a mobile friendly image gallery to my blog. the most fun was adding data-size attributes containing the image sizes to 30 blog posts automatically: http://www.bogo/tagebuch/sh-cmd-1.htm
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Loqi
[Christian Weiske] Shell command of the day: Image size as XML attributes
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cweiske
Which I could only do because my blog posts are XHTML, thus editable with XML tools
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colintedford
!tell kylewm: Able to document this yet? "a lot of web hosting companies are basically internet scams preying on inexperienced ppl" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-29/line/1443587436382
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-05-20.html I'll generate it again in an hour and it will be sent out at 2pm.
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[kevinmarks]
I need to remember to ping indie news with mine
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tantek
https://indiewebcamp.com/service_worker needs a better definition, or we need to fix Loqi to not truncate after "e.g. "
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Loqi
yeah!
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colintedford
aaronpk: Could the Week in Indieweb pages/emails maybe use https urls so people who are logged in to the wiki can still be logged in when they click the links?
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tantek
other than that this week's this week looks good
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sknebel
service worker article: yes, someone who actually knows how they work please fix that ;)
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aaronpk
good idea on https. the next build should fix that
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Loqi
https has 1 karma
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colintedford
aaronpk++ thanks!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 135 karma
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Bookmark to get Zegnat's awesome writeup of the demos from IWC Düsseldorf some more publicity via IndieNews." https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Demos (from http://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2016/5/3/)
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sknebel
ok, that didn't work
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sknebel
ah, ok, it takes my title
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miklb
aaronpk if I have syndicate-to properly configured, should I see it in the Quill UI?
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aaronpk
yes, quill checks when you first log in, but then there's also a "reload" button on the new note UI which should fetch your syndication endpoints again
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aaronpk
make sure you're using the latest spec, i've been keeping quill up to date with it http://micropub.net/draft/#syndication-targets
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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miklb
ah, OK
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miklb
aaronpk also, just got this after signing out and trying to sign back in. Trying to authenticate wth github http://cdn.miklb.com/images/Slim_Application_Error_2016-05-20_16-10-42.png
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aaronpk
ah crap
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miklb
yep. Thanks.
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aaronpk
i pushed up some changes this morning, a lot of which i wrote on the plane back from germany :)
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KevinMarks
Gillmor Gang time
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miklb
what is Gilmor Gang
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Gilmor Gang" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lo
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: mention indieweb summit and the travel assistance fund!
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miklb
what is Gillmor Gang
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Gillmor Gang" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lp
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KevinMarks
not sure the GG audience is a good fit for travel assistance
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tantek
what is GG?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "GG" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ls
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loqi.me
created /GG (+25) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-20/line/1463775646927 and dfn added by aaronpk"
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tantek
what is Gillmor Gang?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Gillmor Gang" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lt
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[shaners]
This feels like one of those times of “do we really need this on the wiki?”.
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tantek
shaners, except there's a direct IndieWeb connection, KevinMarks often talks about IndieWeb on Gillmor Gang podcasts
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tantek
it's not just a random technical term or random org
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www.svenknebel.de
edited /service_worker (+20) "reworded, removed e.g. for nicer summary"
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[shaners]
Adactio has spoken on podcasts about indieweb. Should be put all of those on the wiki?
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aaronpk
kevin is on this almost every week
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tantek
shaners, yes
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[shaners]
not it!
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tantek
anything indieweb related is worth putting on the wiki, and sure it's up to someone to care enough to do it
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aaronpk
if there's a direct indieweb connection then generally yes
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[shaners]
A lot of words were typed supporting the idea of put “Gilmore Gang” on the wiki. But no one’s said what it is yet.
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tantek
shaners, but that's not the problem. the problem is when someone is passionate about something totally not indieweb related, and wants to add it to the wiki, *that* is one of those times of “do we really need this on the wiki?”.
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[shaners]
of course
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[emmak]
aaronpk: the micropub spec mentions "mp-syndicate-to", but quill is sending "syndicate-to" to my endpoint
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[emmak]
wondering whether i should support one or the other, or both?
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Loqi
Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-05-20.html
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aaronpk
[emmak]: oh wow really? i should probably fix that in quill
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aaronpk
i guess p3k treats them the same
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[emmak]
was syndicate-to the older version?
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aaronpk
probably
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miklb
[emmak] where does it mention mp-syndicate-to?
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@haneycodes
@jongalloway "foo is bloated, I built bar, a minimal foo!" "Great! Can you add X, Y, Z?" "Sure!" "bar is bloated, I invented baz..." #repeat
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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KevinMarks
hm, my indienews syndication of http://www.kevinmarks.com/io2016-05-18.html failed
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Loqi
Google I/O 2016-05-18
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tantek
decent progressive web apps session
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-05-18" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-05-18.html
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tantek
* design for constrained devices
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Jeena
I'm trying to get woodwind running on my computer but it seems it doesn't work with sqlite anymore even though the readme says it does
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Loqi
Jeena: tantek left you a message 1 day, 22 hours ago: It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lb http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-18/line/1463609587746
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: there it goes
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tantek
lol "deeplinks"
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KevinMarks
aka links
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tantek
nah, they mean them in the context of native mobile app "states"
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tantek
basically, take links, which were already fragile, and make them A LOT more fragile
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KevinMarks
right, but with progressive web apps they are links
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KevinMarks
Instant Apps is trying to make java apps do that
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tantek
Jeena - I didn't see any evidence of a syndication link to Meetup on your indie events - even tried view source - did I miss something? (you'd need that to get backfeed to work)
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tantek
!tell Jeena once you have such syndication links from your indie events to their POSSE copies on Meetup.com, then you can file feature request issues on Github for backfeed of RSVPs, and perhaps Bridgy Publish POSSE to Meetup support, similar to the Lanyrd feature requests here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+meetup
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeena
yeah I didn't have the nerve to add backlinks but I will
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Loqi
Jeena: tantek left you a message 4 minutes ago: once you have such syndication links from your indie events to their POSSE copies on Meetup.com, then you can file feature request issues on Github for backfeed of RSVPs, and perhaps Bridgy Publish POSSE to Meetup support, similar to the Lanyrd feature requests here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+meetup http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-20/line/1463777474550
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@sl007
@aral @moxie (@kaepora) stop disrespecting. Join a world of perfect harmony and attend next @indiewebcamp s ! (2/2)
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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[emmak]
syndication targets is a bit different, since its asking the micropub endpoint what syndications it supports
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[emmak]
should syndication targets also use mp-syndicate-to for consistency?
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miklb
that's what I was getting at
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[emmak]
aaronpk any thoughts on changing the spec for consistency?
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aaronpk
i guess the more fundamental question is whether the "syndicate-to" is considered part of the post or not
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aaronpk
it turns out that after implementing it in p3k, it made more sense to treat it as a property of the post and is stored along with the rest of the post properties
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tantek
does it end up somewhere on the permalink?
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aaronpk
and then a background process comes along and sees that in the post, then does the syndication and then removes it
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aaronpk
it does end up on the permalink if you use bridgy publish
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aaronpk
or indienews
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[emmak]
but the bridgy publish link is a bit different than what is in the original mp-syndicate-to request
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tantek
aaronpk, interesting, are these mp-syndicate-to properties the equivalent of the links to Bridgy that Bridgy wants in order to do Bridgy Publish POSSE?
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aaronpk
well the micropub spec leaves the actual values up to the micropub endpoint
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aaronpk
but you *could* use the same string that bridgy wants
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aaronpk
that's how p3k does it
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[emmak]
oh, so in theory i could change the value to "brid.gy/publish/twitter"
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tantek
converging / comparing those two would be helpful
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aaronpk
yeah the micropub spec and quill don't care *what* the value is, quill just passes it along to the micropub endpoint
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[emmak]
never thought of doing it that way
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aaronpk
someone wanted me to remove the specific twitter/facebook examples from the spec, so that's why you see like "https://myfavoritesocialnetwork.example/aaronpk" in the spec
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aaronpk
but you could definitely use "https://brid.gy/publish/twitter" there
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KevinMarks
is using bridgy in the spec a bad idea?
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[emmak]
i think its an interesting use case that didn't occur to me
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[emmak]
since bridgy publish requires a bridgy link in the original post
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: yes, the spec should only include fake services, things like example.com and *.example
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tantek
I would say using bridgy in the spec a bad idea
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KevinMarks
this is one of those odd things, where specs are supposed to be Platonic ideals
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KevinMarks
so instead of putting actual examples in, we put fake exampe.com things
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aaronpk
that's what tutorials are for right? :D
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aaronpk
also we can put practical examples on the wiki
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[emmak]
so if mp-syndicate-to is part of the post, what mf property is it stored in?
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aaronpk
right now p3k stores it in a property called "syndicate-to"
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[emmak]
u-mf-syndicate-to or p-mf-syndicate-to?
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aaronpk
the prefix is not part of the parsed result or storage
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@jlibraryist
@Snowden And Lesson #2… We should be archiving company blogs.
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aaronpk
and p3k uses just "syndicate-to" right now, not "mp-syndicate-to"
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[emmak]
wondering whether they're assumed to be urls or just any string
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aaronpk
quill doesn't care if it's a url or not
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aaronpk
your endpoint can decide whether to make them always URLs
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aaronpk
the nice thing is the client doesn't need to care, and your endpoint and my endpoint can do it differently and everything still works fine
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KevinMarks
though we didn't keep a change history of posts, except in backups
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@kevinmarks
“organizing is hard. Really hard. It means starting from the bottom. It means looking for pain.” https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/why-neither-corporate-party-has-control-b1ef773cfe38 #indieweb
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[indieweb] "“organizing is hard. Really hard. It means starting from the bottom. It means looking for pain.” https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/why-neither-corporate-party-has-control-b1ef773cfe38 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/organizing-is-hard-really-hard-it-means-starting-from-the
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aaronpk
rhiaro: i really do wish you would get rid of the first p-name ": post" thing on your posts http://rhiaro.co.uk/2016/05/breaking-news-san
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Loqi
[Amy Guy] : post
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aaronpk
if it weren't for that, these posts would look great in my reader
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miklb
just when I thought I had this syndication target figured out, the goal posts moved a little :-P
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aaronpk
oh crap. i just realized june 1 is like a couple days away.
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aaronpk
that's the day ownyourgram is going to stop working unless i do something about it
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KevinMarks
<data class="p-name" value=": post"></data> hm, that is odd
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KevinMarks
should we be parsing <data> ?
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tantek
KevinMarks: we are
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tantek
since like a long time ago
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KevinMarks
is this updated value class?
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tantek
Alex Russell is doing a good job
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tantek
KevinMarks: no, why do you ask? there is no class="value"
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/move]] move * Colintedford.com * moved [[perl]] to [[Perl]]: caps
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tantek
this is just properly parsing the data element, like we're properly parsing the time element
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Loqi
Value Class Pattern
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KevinMarks
as in we now have a formal HTML way to do this
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tantek
yes, welcome to 2011 or so :)
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KevinMarks
I was confusing <data> with a data attribute
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Loqi
Value Class Pattern
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tantek
and I should perhaps note that inline in the spec
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KevinMarks
makes sense
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Loqi
Value Class Pattern
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tantek
good catch
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tantek
aside: wapo.com/pwa the progressive webapp version of Washington Post's website
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tantek
KevinMarks, thanks for the "playing naive web developer" as it definitely just helped improve the spec :)
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rhiaro
aaronpk... I guess I'll fix the post name thing now
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Loqi
rhiaro: tantek left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: are you coming to the Leaders Summit? Can you RSVP here accordingly? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#RSVP http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-12/line/1463083099732
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tantek
criticism of what?
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tantek
hey welcome back rhiaro :)
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KevinMarks
silo default practices
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KevinMarks
is that a glitch, rhiaro, or were you using that to mean something when parsing yourself?
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rhiaro
it's a bug
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rhiaro
aaronpk: fixed
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aaronpk
Yaaayayyyyy
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Jeena
now finally I have a local instance of woodwind running!
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Jeena
offline reading, here I come!
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[kevinmarks]
Did you need to patch it?
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Jeena
I have some ideas how to enhance it
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[kevinmarks]
Ooh. I should do that and fix the syndication buttons that bother me
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[kevinmarks]
What is kirby?
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Loqi
Kirby is a filed-based CMS https://indiewebcamp.com/Kirby
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Jeena
for example it doesn't show the verbs like "liked" here https://jeena.net/t/woodwind-like.png
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Jeena
I didn't need ta patch it but It doesn't work with sqlite anymore, only with postgres
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Jeena
and it didn't work on os x, it always crashed
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Jeena
oh but you're right, I needed a small patch on Arch because it uses gcc 6
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Jeena
and with it uwsgi didn't compile
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Jeena
so I had to upgrade it to the next version
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Jeena
but I saw that in the making in a pullrequest already too
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Jeena
and it isn't documented that it needs redis
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tantek
hey aaronpk do you think you could redo the SWAT0 demo from last year with ben_thatmustbeme and kylewm / kevinmarks this year?
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tantek
I think a live re-enactment of that would be appropriate for at least one of the keynotes
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KevinMarks
do it with acegiak too if the timezone works for her
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Jeena
oh and one more thing, I had to comment in that it would run on the port 3000
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aaronpk
Oh boy I might need to do some development to participate in swat0 again
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tantek
KevinMarks - I suggest you try to get it working *once* with acegiak before proposing doing it live at a presentation
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tantek
aaronpk - yeah, that's what I was worried about
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tantek
if we've reached the point (not saying we have, but it's a risk) where we're stuck rewriting / refactoring etc. instead of making big advancements, that might be a challenge to discuss
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tantek
On my part, I have a ton more site functionality than I did a year ago, even closer to doing some of SWAT0, but haven't built enough to do all of A, B, or C
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@kreshleman
RT @benwerd IndieWeb Summit is soon! If you care about the open web, I'd love to see you there. http://2016.indieweb.org/ #indieweb #indieedtech #edtech
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mblaney
I'd like to be able to do SWAT0 too. Can already do C, just need to support salmentions to do both A & B.
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GWG
Hello, mblaney
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mblaney
hey GWG
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mblaney
any progress on your ticket?
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GWG
mblaney: They've passed it to former SimplePie maintainer. No comment yet.
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[kevinmarks]
One reason I'm excited about acegiak's implementation is that it is in the WordPress plugin cluster.
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GWG
acegiak's implementation is not used by any other WordPress user
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GWG
I did ask acegiak to look at a proposal I had to merge the code upstream.
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GWG
I know there was some reluctance to merger it in the current configuration because it didn't fit the design principles for the WordPress Indieweb plugins.
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GWG
So far, that has been to break things down to the simplest elements to make enhancement easier.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "“when you publish your own HTML to a server that you control; that's fucking powerful. Autonomy…” https://justinjackson.ca/webmaster/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/when-you-publish-your-own-html-to-a-server-that
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@kevinmarks
“when you publish your own HTML to a server that you control; that's fucking powerful. Autonomy…” https://justinjackson.ca/webmaster/ #indieweb
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aaronpk
KevinMarks we gotta get you posting those to indienews
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Repost of Kevin Marks's tweet" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/repost-of-kevin-markss-tweet-f850ee2c5e
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@ChrisAldrich
RT @kevinmarks “when you publish your own HTML to a server that you control; that's fucking powerful. Autonomy…” https://justinjackson.ca/webmaster/ #indieweb
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[chrisaldrich]
Wait... what? There's a WordPress implementation? Where is it so I can break things?!? :wink:
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GWG
chrisaldrich, acegiak has a fork of Semantic Linkbacks.
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aaronpk
I just used the Twitter app to post a photo for the first time in a long time. It was weird.
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aaronpk
something about my update this morning broke my site ... gotta fix that tonight
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG, maybe it'll have to wait... I'm trying to prioritize all the fun things I've been trying to break lately.
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GWG
What have you been breaking?
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG, I remember seeing some old conversations about you trying to sneak mf2 into the Twenty Sixteen theme. Did you ever pull off an implementation (child theme or otherwise?)
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GWG
I pulled off some tricks to ensure it will work better than 2014 with wordpress-uf2
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[chrisaldrich]
I've been digging into things to remember how to do some theming which I haven't done for ages. I was thinking about indiewebifying a handful of common WP themes to work natively with mf2 as well as adding some other simple functionality.
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[chrisaldrich]
We should really have 4-5 options other than SemPress to help give others more options. I also have a feeling that having options may help push some of the WP community into adopting it more widely.
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GWG
I have to get around to a new version of mf2_s.
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[chrisaldrich]
I haven't looked yet, but I suppose that Twenty Seventeen is underway somewhere... can I help you pile on to get them to adopt it this time around?
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GWG
Haven't heard of it being planned.
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[chrisaldrich]
What was the state of mf2_s when you left it?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "state of mf2_s when you left it" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Lv
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GWG
It works. I use a version of it.
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[chrisaldrich]
I've been skating by on some small hacks with Twenty Sixteen, but need to have something more solid to better integrate with some Brid.gy functionality.
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[chrisaldrich]
Perhaps "adopting" an annual theme the way WP has done it may help add more options for the Indiewebbers using WordPress?
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GWG
I went with _s because it is a starter theme most people build in.
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GWG
I also tried to get them to add mf2
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[chrisaldrich]
I saw a tangential mention of it in a thread you wrote back in late 2015 the other day, but didn't see a follow up thread, so I suspect it got stalled?
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[chrisaldrich]
I do remember giving you mental props for appealing to WP vanity for adopting things before Google did as a means to try to get them on your side... :slightly_smiling_face:
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GWG
Well, _s won't put mf2 in because they think it is a core issue.
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GWG
Core won't put it in due backcompat
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[chrisaldrich]
I've also been tempted to build a few archive pages for specific post kinds (bookmark, like, repost, etc. to better uncover those types of functionalities.
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[chrisaldrich]
If you had your way, which would you put it into? core or theme?
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GWG
I'd rather that core made some minor modifications to make it easier. But themes are where design is supposed to be.
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[chrisaldrich]
What should core be doing differently to make it easier? (And can I pester people/groups to help it along?)
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GWG
Well, there was a proposal about better theme tools for structured data. But that was discounted as well.
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[chrisaldrich]
I don't think there was anything in mf2_s last I looked, what do you have on the roadmap for it next?
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GWG
A major upgrade.
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GWG
I'm going through my projects and updating them
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GWG
Also, if you count my webmentions work..I'm going through all projects and updating them
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[chrisaldrich]
to it's core functionality while keeping the vanilla set up, or to customize it as a child to get more mileage out of it designwise?
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GWG
mf2_s is meant to be a starter theme fork of _s with mf2 and Indieweb plugin support.
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[chrisaldrich]
I tried playing around with Bridgy Publish in the last few days, is that still functional? It didn't seem to be, but then again, it may be mark up issues on my end potentially causing problems...
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GWG
But, one of the things possible is to move the comment walker code into Semantic Linkbacks so it can be called on by many themes.
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[chrisaldrich]
That, is certainly a fantastic idea and could help a lot more people scale into indieweb...
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GWG
I intend to look at refreshing Bridgy Publish. It still should work.
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[chrisaldrich]
I liked even the simple stuff you did to help the Independent Publisher theme move along the other day.
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GWG
I am willing to drop everything if people are interested in help.
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm still trying to brush up my rusty coding skills to better understand the interaction of the machinery of webmentions and commenting....
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GWG
Tell me if I can help.
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GWG
In WordPress, Webmentions are a form of comment.
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[chrisaldrich]
I've got most of the big moving parts, it's really the minutiae of commentmeta I need to plow through.
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[chrisaldrich]
Having the ability to look at what mf2_s and independent publisher are doing helps a lot.
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[chrisaldrich]
I think that if there are 4-5 reasonable themes that are more indieweb compatible out of the box, it'd certainly help adoption.
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GWG
You need the cooperation of the theme developer.
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[chrisaldrich]
I've been trying to spend some time in the local WP community here in LA to build some groundswell on the overall idea.
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[chrisaldrich]
Yes, certainly "converting" Raam Dev seemed to have helped....
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[chrisaldrich]
I know a few local WP employees nearby who do theming and work on Jetpack. It would be nice to get them moving in our direction.
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GWG
I think my attempts at big things haven't panned out. But a lot of little things seem to work better.
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GWG
In 4.5 and 4.6, I've so far been able to sneak in some hooks that are useful for webmentions or pingbacks.
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[chrisaldrich]
It's always the small iterations that win out... It's actually fairly impressive to see some of the threads going back over the last year or two where i've seen you and others slowly making headway.
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG++ for perseverence
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Loqi
GWG has 158 karma
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GWG
But at the moment, I'm doing a small update to Syndication Links, and I'll probably swing through Bridgy Publish.
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[chrisaldrich]
Well, I've finished my big project for the month, so I've got a bit more time. I'll be vacationing on the beaches of Hawaii next week, but will be thinking about indieweb development and theming while I'm away.
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[chrisaldrich]
If you put together some ideas about what you'd like to see happen with mf2_s, I can try to hack away at that and perhaps Twenty Sixteen and maybe one other in the next couple of weeks.
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[chrisaldrich]
Running downstairs for a minute... brb
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uranther
Got A+ on my SSL test now with LetsEncrypt :)
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uranther
I am level 2 IndieWeb now. However, some of my profile links don't pass the test. It is either "doesn’t link back" or, in the case of Google+, "couldn’t be fetched"
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[chrisaldrich]
I can't believe I've got 50 different themes in my folder... time to clean out some cruft.
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[chrisaldrich]
Congrats uranther! Reminds me that I need to work on SSL for myself...
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uranther
\o/
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG, I didn't look through all of your code on Independent Publisher, but I'm curious how thoroughly you went through it? Does it still need some mf2 help?
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GWG
It probably does. It was what I could do in an hour.
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[chrisaldrich]
he did seem to have a lot of customizations stuck into his theme that are anything but standard, so some of it may be a tad dependent on that. I did see a nifty little piece you did for the dt stamp with ISO that I'd never seen, I expected that doing that would be much more difficult.
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GWG
I learned a lot doing mf2_s and other efforts. Every time I learn a better way to do things, I try to utilize it everywhere.
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[chrisaldrich]
would you say that mf2_s is a better example than SemPress? (at least for me to follow?)
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GWG
Not necessarily.
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GWG
Both are descended from _s.
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GWG
And mf2_s does use some code from SemPress.
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GWG
But it is not designed to be used as a theme.
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[chrisaldrich]
my issue is usually remembering the huge list of microformats to include and I'm far more familiar now with mf2 than 1 for the backwards compatible stuff. There aren't any lurking issues with backwards compatibility with 1 that I should watch out for are there?
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GWG
Only the ones I identified.
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GWG
But if you want any help, you know where to find me.
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[chrisaldrich]
Thanks! I'm back off to it then....
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@CamiloGuezRodri
@aral @sl007 @moxie @kaepora @indiewebcamp A world of "perfect harmony" is a fully automated & thus de-politicized post-democratic dystopia.
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@CamiloGuezRodri
@aral @sl007 @moxie @kaepora @indiewebcamp The essence of the political is conflict; democracy is the guarantee of autonomy & participation.
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RT @CamiloGuezRodri @aral @sl007 @moxie @kaepora @indiewebcamp A world of "perfect harmony" is a fully automated & thus de-politicized post-democratic dystopia.
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@aral
RT @CamiloGuezRodri @aral @sl007 @moxie @kaepora @indiewebcamp The essence of the political is conflict; democracy is the guarantee of autonomy & participation.
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