#tantekKevinMarks - I suggest you try to get it working *once* with acegiak before proposing doing it live at a presentation
#tantekaaronpk - yeah, that's what I was worried about
#tantekif we've reached the point (not saying we have, but it's a risk) where we're stuck rewriting / refactoring etc. instead of making big advancements, that might be a challenge to discuss
#tantekOn my part, I have a ton more site functionality than I did a year ago, even closer to doing some of SWAT0, but haven't built enough to do all of A, B, or C
#GWGmblaney: They've passed it to former SimplePie maintainer. No comment yet.
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#[kevinmarks]One reason I'm excited about acegiak's implementation is that it is in the WordPress plugin cluster.
#GWGacegiak's implementation is not used by any other WordPress user
#GWGI did ask acegiak to look at a proposal I had to merge the code upstream.
#GWGI know there was some reluctance to merger it in the current configuration because it didn't fit the design principles for the WordPress Indieweb plugins.
#GWGSo far, that has been to break things down to the simplest elements to make enhancement easier.
#[chrisaldrich]GWG, I remember seeing some old conversations about you trying to sneak mf2 into the Twenty Sixteen theme. Did you ever pull off an implementation (child theme or otherwise?)
#GWGI pulled off some tricks to ensure it will work better than 2014 with wordpress-uf2
#[chrisaldrich]I've been digging into things to remember how to do some theming which I haven't done for ages. I was thinking about indiewebifying a handful of common WP themes to work natively with mf2 as well as adding some other simple functionality.
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#[chrisaldrich]We should really have 4-5 options other than SemPress to help give others more options. I also have a feeling that having options may help push some of the WP community into adopting it more widely.
#GWGI have to get around to a new version of mf2_s.
#[chrisaldrich]I haven't looked yet, but I suppose that Twenty Seventeen is underway somewhere... can I help you pile on to get them to adopt it this time around?
#[chrisaldrich]I've been skating by on some small hacks with Twenty Sixteen, but need to have something more solid to better integrate with some Brid.gy functionality.
#[chrisaldrich]Perhaps "adopting" an annual theme the way WP has done it may help add more options for the Indiewebbers using WordPress?
#GWGI went with _s because it is a starter theme most people build in.
#[chrisaldrich]I saw a tangential mention of it in a thread you wrote back in late 2015 the other day, but didn't see a follow up thread, so I suspect it got stalled?
#[chrisaldrich]I do remember giving you mental props for appealing to WP vanity for adopting things before Google did as a means to try to get them on your side... :slightly_smiling_face:
#GWGWell, _s won't put mf2 in because they think it is a core issue.
#[chrisaldrich]I've also been tempted to build a few archive pages for specific post kinds (bookmark, like, repost, etc. to better uncover those types of functionalities.
#[chrisaldrich]If you had your way, which would you put it into? core or theme?
#GWGI'd rather that core made some minor modifications to make it easier. But themes are where design is supposed to be.
#[chrisaldrich]What should core be doing differently to make it easier? (And can I pester people/groups to help it along?)
#GWGWell, there was a proposal about better theme tools for structured data. But that was discounted as well.
#[chrisaldrich]I don't think there was anything in mf2_s last I looked, what do you have on the roadmap for it next?
#GWGI'm going through my projects and updating them
#GWGAlso, if you count my webmentions work..I'm going through all projects and updating them
#[chrisaldrich]to it's core functionality while keeping the vanilla set up, or to customize it as a child to get more mileage out of it designwise?
#GWGmf2_s is meant to be a starter theme fork of _s with mf2 and Indieweb plugin support.
#[chrisaldrich]I tried playing around with Bridgy Publish in the last few days, is that still functional? It didn't seem to be, but then again, it may be mark up issues on my end potentially causing problems...
#GWGBut, one of the things possible is to move the comment walker code into Semantic Linkbacks so it can be called on by many themes.
#[chrisaldrich]That, is certainly a fantastic idea and could help a lot more people scale into indieweb...
#GWGI intend to look at refreshing Bridgy Publish. It still should work.
#[chrisaldrich]I liked even the simple stuff you did to help the Independent Publisher theme move along the other day.
#GWGI am willing to drop everything if people are interested in help.
#[chrisaldrich]I'm still trying to brush up my rusty coding skills to better understand the interaction of the machinery of webmentions and commenting....
#GWGIn WordPress, Webmentions are a form of comment.
#[chrisaldrich]I've got most of the big moving parts, it's really the minutiae of commentmeta I need to plow through.
#[chrisaldrich]Having the ability to look at what mf2_s and independent publisher are doing helps a lot.
#[chrisaldrich]I think that if there are 4-5 reasonable themes that are more indieweb compatible out of the box, it'd certainly help adoption.
#GWGYou need the cooperation of the theme developer.
#[chrisaldrich]I've been trying to spend some time in the local WP community here in LA to build some groundswell on the overall idea.
#[chrisaldrich]Yes, certainly "converting" Raam Dev seemed to have helped....
#[chrisaldrich]I know a few local WP employees nearby who do theming and work on Jetpack. It would be nice to get them moving in our direction.
#GWGI think my attempts at big things haven't panned out. But a lot of little things seem to work better.
#GWGIn 4.5 and 4.6, I've so far been able to sneak in some hooks that are useful for webmentions or pingbacks.
#[chrisaldrich]It's always the small iterations that win out... It's actually fairly impressive to see some of the threads going back over the last year or two where i've seen you and others slowly making headway.
#GWGBut at the moment, I'm doing a small update to Syndication Links, and I'll probably swing through Bridgy Publish.
#[chrisaldrich]Well, I've finished my big project for the month, so I've got a bit more time. I'll be vacationing on the beaches of Hawaii next week, but will be thinking about indieweb development and theming while I'm away.
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#[chrisaldrich]If you put together some ideas about what you'd like to see happen with mf2_s, I can try to hack away at that and perhaps Twenty Sixteen and maybe one other in the next couple of weeks.
#urantherGot A+ on my SSL test now with LetsEncrypt :)
#urantherI am level 2 IndieWeb now. However, some of my profile links don't pass the test. It is either "doesn’t link back" or, in the case of Google+, "couldn’t be fetched"
#[chrisaldrich]I can't believe I've got 50 different themes in my folder... time to clean out some cruft.
#[chrisaldrich]Congrats uranther! Reminds me that I need to work on SSL for myself...
#[chrisaldrich]GWG, I didn't look through all of your code on Independent Publisher, but I'm curious how thoroughly you went through it? Does it still need some mf2 help?
#GWGIt probably does. It was what I could do in an hour.
#[chrisaldrich]he did seem to have a lot of customizations stuck into his theme that are anything but standard, so some of it may be a tad dependent on that. I did see a nifty little piece you did for the dt stamp with ISO that I'd never seen, I expected that doing that would be much more difficult.
#GWGI learned a lot doing mf2_s and other efforts. Every time I learn a better way to do things, I try to utilize it everywhere.
#[chrisaldrich]would you say that mf2_s is a better example than SemPress? (at least for me to follow?)
#[chrisaldrich]my issue is usually remembering the huge list of microformats to include and I'm far more familiar now with mf2 than 1 for the backwards compatible stuff. There aren't any lurking issues with backwards compatibility with 1 that I should watch out for are there?
#j4y_funabashiI just got my micropub client working, huzzah!
#j4y_funabashiso far it posts photos. It gives you a preview screen before posting the photo and fills in the 'published' and 'tags' from exif/iptc data.
#j4y_funabashiI have already organised all my photos with iptc tags and comments so this saves me duplicating effort :)
#sknebelis your endpoint/the code behind it public?
#j4y_funabashisknebel: it only works on my local machine at the moment but once I have cleaned it up a little I will be hosting it at http://surya.j4y.co
#aaronpkthe only way to syndicate in p3k is via webmention or micropub
#kylewmremind me what the flow is for syndicating via webmention? you add syndication=indienews and then when processing the response to the webmention, replace the syndication link with the result link?
#aaronpkYeah and the webmention response includes the perms link that was created to the syndicated copy so you can replace the u-syndication link on the page after that if you want
#kylewmis slightly uncomfortable with IndieSyndicate since it's kinda sorta competing with Convoy
#aaronpknah Convoy is more targeted to Twitter and Facebook directly right? IndieSyndicate requires you use another service in between like silo.pub, and so it means you have to know a little more about what's going on to use it
#miklbNeed some feedback. When I created the jekyll-indieweb I didn't think too much about a name for the project, wanted something easy to find and well, naming things are hard. Jekyll is going towards gem based themes and wondering if I should rethink the name.
#[kevinmarks]What does the list of themes to choose from look like?
#[kevinmarks]And would adding mf2 support to other themes by PR be an option too?
#miklb[kevinmarks] there currently isn't one. This will be a new feature in upcoming version. Currently, you have to either fork/clone a whole jekyll install or manually copy files into your project
#miklbcertainly adding mf2 to other themes via PR once they can be installed via gems is an option
#miklbmy project goes a little further as it allows adding rel=me links via config, as well as support for voxpelli webmentions heroku app via a flag in config
#miklbI should rephrase. There are a lot of themes to choose from, but a list of whitelisted theme gems is to come
#kylewmI think jekyll-indieweb is not bad. if you wanted to be really nice and leave the namespace open, could do jekyll-indieweb-starter or something that describes the look of your theme a bit
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#miklbyes, namespace is definitely an area of concern. As a project that you forked/cloned it made a little more sense, but as a gem you add to a project, including jekyll seems redundant
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#[kevinmarks]You can call POSSE integration Hyde, because it gets you out of the lab and behaving like a nutter on social networks
#kylewmdoes anybody provide the equivalent of alt text for font-icons? I want my likes on here https://kylewm.com/likes/ to parse as "Liked so-and-so's post"
#kylewmso the idea is "Liked" would be the alt text for teh star, and would be picked up by mf2 parser
#kylewmbasically i'm trying to avoid <i class="fa fa-star-o"><span style="display:hidden">Liked</span></i>
#kylewmJeena++ also, for being the first person other than me to run Woodwind (and tripping over a bunch of doc bugs and gaps in installation process.... sorry about that)