#indiewebcamp 2016-06-03

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gRegorLove
Welcome [jimpick]. Awesome!
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aaronparecki.com
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gRegorLove
I was just wondering about location
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aaronpk
i just sorted it out :)
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aaronpk
it was almost in my living room
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kevinmarks.com
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aaronpk
oookay! after manually adding anyone who had sent an indie RSVP but not registered on ti.to, we now have only 2 spots left!
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gRegorLove
I'm about to head out for Portland, picking up GWG at the airport. Seeya tomorrow!
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GWG
Plane is a bit behind
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aaronpk
everyone's planes are delayed!
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GWG
Yes, but why did rhiaro get free movies and I didn't?
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aaronpk
hmm if I don't put the location and year on the nametags, people can reuse them for future indiewebcamps
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[kylewm]
is there a thing about the TSA now where we have to get to the airport super early?
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[kylewm]
have heard vague complaints
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GWG
kylewm, in Chicago,yew
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GWG
San Francisco has no TSA
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GWG
So I suppose I should ask re which airport
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bear
SFO definitely has TSA
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bear
what varies by airport is how many agents are on staff to handle peak demands
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Loqi
[indieweb] "miklb pushed to jekyll at miklb/miklb.github.com" by miklb https://github.com/miklb/miklb.github.com/compare/43be220037...aba44a1a5e
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GWG
bear, they use private contractors at SFO
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bear
just because the people may be contractors, it's still the TSA rules and red-tape
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bear
so if the TSA doesn't have enough contractors|employees on staff ... long lines
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aaronpk
totally depends on the airport and whether you have pre-check
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aaronpk
pdx is usually pretty quick except at the super peak times
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aaronpk
course you all probably don't care about that until after sunday
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aaronpk
nametag generation script is updated!
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bear
damn - those are nice... if I pay $5 can I get one ;)
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@miklb
IndieWeb Summit 2016 and what I hope to accomplish attending remotely. (https://miklb.com/indieweb-summit-2016)
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boffosocko.com
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-03.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week#How_to
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mblaney
kylewm did my shirt arrive (in Australia...) before yours??
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kylewm
grumbles
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@kevinmarks
““collect [personal data] now and figure out what to do with it later” will become a high-risk strategy.” http://qz.com/697452/companies-once-thought-theyd-make-big-money-off-big-data-now-its-their-biggest-liability/ #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "““collect [personal data] now and figure out what to do with it later” will become a high-risk strategy.” http://qz.com/697452/companies-once-thought-theyd-make-big-money-off-big-data-now-its-their-biggest-liability/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/collect-personal-data-now-and-figure-out-what-to-do
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@jimpick
RT @miklb IndieWeb Summit 2016 and what I hope to accomplish attending remotely. (https://miklb.com/indieweb-summit-2016)
(twitter.com/_/status/738576915758338048)
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@vickyharp
[User requests feature already in product] Junior dev: "lol dumb user" Staff dev: "Closed - fixed" Senior dev: <opens usability bug>
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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Loqi
[indieweb] "The 6th annual IndieWeb Summit has just sold out!
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@fantasticlife
RT @kevinmarks ““collect [personal data] now and figure out what to do with it later” will become a high-risk strategy.” http://qz.com/697452/companies-once-thought-theyd-make-big-money-off-big-data-now-its-their-biggest-liability/ #indieweb
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gRegor-mobile
Ello from PDX o/
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tantek
waves
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[kevinmarks]
Hello all
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GWG
Hello from B6 1205
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GWG
Descending through flight level 34000
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GWG
418 knots
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Loqi
[indieweb] "B0RG, if you need it you can read some of the details I've sketched out at:
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GWG
22000 feet.
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@kylewmahan
For some reason, I've ended up re-installing Linux the night before IndieWebCamp like 3 years running
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Loqi
[indieweb] "chrisaldrich on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] Might be helpful to add at least some description"" by chrisaldrich https://wordpress.org/support/topic/might-be-helpful-to-add-at-least-some-description#post-8480495
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Salt
aaronpk, I really appreciate that you use md for emails, but why the br”½
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kylewm
is that an interrobang?!
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@toxicdata
““collect [toxic waste] now and figure out what to do with it later” will become a high-risk strategy.” http://qz.com/697452/companies-once-thought-theyd-make-big-money-off-big-data-now-its-their-biggest-liability/ #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/738618617864937472)
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Salt
kylewm, quite
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Description and FAQ for IndieWeb WordPress Plugin" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/description-and-faq-for-indieweb-wordpress-plugin
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GWG
The captain has announced my descent into Portland...
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Salt
u+2e18
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Loqi
[indieweb] "chrisaldrich sur « [embrochable : IndieWeb] pourrait être utile d'ajouter au moins une certaine description »" by chrisaldrich http://www.systranet.com/turl/?systrangui=rss&systranuid=aHR0cHMtd29yZHByZXNzLm9yZy9zdXBwb3J0L3RvcGljL21pZ2h0LWJlLWhlbHBmdWwtdG8tYWRkLWF0LWxlYXN0LXNvbWUtZGVzY3JpcHRpb24vZW5fZnI%3D#post-8480495
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@WordPressTTT
New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/might-be-helpful-to-add-at-least-some-description#post-8480495 > chrisaldrich on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] Might be helpful to add at least some description"
(twitter.com/_/status/738620307112529921)
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aaronpk
Wait what! How did you know it was marked down
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kylewm
aaronpk: you don't use pine to read your email?
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Salt
alpine ftw
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Salt
but actually claws
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Salt
but actually actually, where is mailpile!
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[chrisaldrich]
evening gang
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Salt
aaronpk, the headings, but yeah replace br with doublespace
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Salt
yo [chrisaldrich]
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[chrisaldrich]
I know at least a dozen people who still use pine -- all of them are mathematicians over the age of 70.
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Salt
I graduated from the school that pine originated, gotta keep reppin the client yo
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG: Descent into Portland sounds like it could be an interesting movie/tv/book title... Wish I was able to fly up this weekend
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@TechLifeWeb
Conditionally adding a Bridgy publish link based on a tag. Sweet #indieweb goodness!
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Salt
getting a ride down tomorrow, then I have to figure out how to get back by tuesday >_>
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aaronpk
huh. i blame tito
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aaronpk
it said i have to write the email in markdown. it didn't say it was going to send the markdown as the text/plain part of the email
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aaronpk
the preview only showed it to me as html
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tantek
well if markdown adhered to its principles it would work *just fine* as the text/plain part
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tantek
this is why we have to replace markdown
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aaronpk
well I did put a <br> in the markdown
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aaronpk
but only because when i had just a newline, it put it on the same line above
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aaronpk
did not know about the doublespace thing
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tantek
double linebreak?
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aaronpk
no, " " at the end of the line creates a single linebreak instead of paragraph break
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tantek
wow that's like real obvious and memorable. not.
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tantek
as if it's hard to translate linebreak to br, and double linebreak to p (or at least double br)
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aaronpk
wait does that mean my hyperlinks came through in markdown format too?
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tantek
this just gets better and better
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aaronpk
cause i would have written those differently for a plaintext part
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tantek
is abstracting aaronpk's email into the wiki
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tantek
every time you say "would have written those differently for a plaintext part" for markdown text, then markdown has failed
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colintedford
The linebreak thing is great if you like to hard-wrap your text files
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colintedford
(which I don't)
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tantek
that's a decent point
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colintedford
One of the intentions in markdown is to be able to do that without messing up the output
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tantek
will think about that
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aaronpk
it's definitely a trade-off
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colintedford
Personally I'd prefer linebreak=br but I guess it's a matter of taste
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tantek
would compromise with treating single line-breaks after 70 chars as hard-wrapping for text files. line-break before 70 chars would be treated as meaningful
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colintedford
& doesn't come up often for me
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tantek.com
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Loqi
[indieweb] "pfefferle on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] Might be helpful to add at least some description"" by pfefferle https://wordpress.org/support/topic/might-be-helpful-to-add-at-least-some-description#post-8480648
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tantek
everyone make it into Portland ok?
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@WordPressTTT
New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/might-be-helpful-to-add-at-least-some-description#post-8480648 > pfefferle on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] Might be helpful to add at least some description"
(twitter.com/_/status/738635922133114880)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Anyone at #HHconnect ever heard about #indieweb? If you're interested to talk about it (I'm just a participants, not inventor or developper) I'm available anytime" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/anyone-at-hhconnect-ever-heard-about-indieweb-if-youre-interested
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KevinMarks_
Email linebreaks damage Markdown in github
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KevinMarks_
Especially with quoted lines with >
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tantek.com
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tantek
!tell aaronpk,rhiaro,GWG,gRegor,kylewm,shaners,benwerd,iwontsignuphere hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm.com
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kylewm.com
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kylewm.com
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tantek
hello julieannenoying
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tantek
let's try again: @julieannenoying
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@lionzan
@fab_biscotti many platform are cropping up to counter that, @indiewebcamp is a "platform agnostic platform" http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@kevinmarks
RT @lionzan @fab_biscotti many platform are cropping up to counter that, @indiewebcamp is a "platform agnostic platform" http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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petermolnar
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11828253 < some lines of this could be in the Why? wiki page
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Salt
aaronpk, yeah the links did come through as md, it is really nice
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Salt
I think I will be picking up the habit...
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@dangillmor
The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@mehditek
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@BeneficialMarke
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@gerdstodiek
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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petermolnar
thread to read, maybe with bits for us to learn (eg. users seem to like ephemeral posts): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11822484
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Loqi
[indieweb] "going to Decentralized Web Summit 2016-06-08.
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tantek
show rather than tell, as it were
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petermolnar
I hope that rsvp will catch people's attention on the summit
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petermolnar
(I also hope there will be recording available later of the talks)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked IndieWeb Summit 2016 and what I hope to accomplish attending remotely." by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-indieweb-summit-2016-and-what-i-hope-to-accomplish
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#indieweb Q: If I send a status tweet to Twitter via Bridgy, do I need to include a link back to my site to see replies there?" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14121-2/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "8 day week of:
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tantek
math is hard, let's do updates
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Salt
tantek, decentralized web summit sounds cool, doubt I will make it, but have fun!
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tantek
Salt, we'll see if I'm not too tired by then or not
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Salt
hehhe
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Salt
I'm going to be cooking for a hacker campout all next week, may have to leave IWS a bit early, will have to see
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@indiewebcamp
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@jcbsnd
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@RikMende
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@wneuheisel
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@bumbaugh
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@circa1977
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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Loqi
[indieweb] "vorgestern habe ich bemerkt, dass der theawl.com-RSS-feed jetzt auch wieder volltext anzeigt — nachdem theawl.com kürzlich zu medium.com migriert ist, funktionierte das für eine weile nicht. heute lese ich in der ankündigung, dass superfeedr.com von medium gekauft wurde, dass das jetzt auch für alle alle medium-nutzer funktioniert. das ist eine gute nachricht. ob es eine gute nachricht ist, dass superfeedr von medium aufgekauft wurfe weiss ich nocht nicht. es ist aber wohl so, dass in letzter zeit einige leute die dem offenen netz und dem indieweb nahestehen, zu medium gegangen sind, in festanstellung.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "medium jetzt mit volltext-RSS" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9956/1/0/
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@egoexpress
RT @jkphl Next Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg on June 8th, 17:30 @tollwerk. Just drop by! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-08-homebrew-website-club #indieweb
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[jimpick]
Haha, that really filled up the channel
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[jimpick]
(On Slack anyways)
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@kunimiya
私は #WebMention に #関心表明します
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#indieweb Q: If I send a status tweet to Twitter via Bridgy, do I need to include a link back to my site to see replies there?" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14123-2/
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@TechLifeWeb
#indieweb Q: If I send a status tweet to Twitter via Bridgy, do I need to include a link back to my site to see… http://techlifeweb.com/?p=14123
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Loqi
[indieweb] "I don&#8217;t think my conditional Bridgy publish link is working right. #indieweb" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14125-2/
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@TechLifeWeb
I don’t think my conditional Bridgy publish link is working right. #indieweb (http://techlifeweb.com/?p=14125)
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@R_Serling_Rules
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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@jkphl
@NamelessCoder Building my own kind of framework, #indieweb related, sort of very opinionated personal micro CMS https://github.com/apparat
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@jkphl
@NamelessCoder me, w/ a strong #indieweb background & some intentional constraints https://github.com/apparat/apparat/blob/master/doc/CONCEPT.md It's not so much about efficiency
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@jkphl
@NamelessCoder Yes! Though CMIS seems more powerful at a first glance. But: #indieweb principle no. 3 ... ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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sandro
wonders what the *indoor* weather will be like at IWC tomorrow.... Sometimes when it's hot outside, places still super air-condition the inside.
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kylewm
I predict between 65 and 75 indoors 😃
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 39 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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sandro
kylewm, in other words, wear layers. :)
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GWG
I love super AC
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Loqi
GWG: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 41 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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GWG
Morning
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gRegor-mobile
Anybody around downtown PDX and want to meet up? GWG and I are here and have time to kill.
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Salt
is still in Seattle, will be making the trek as soon as my ride is ready (hopefully in time for the pre-meet and greet)
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[jimpick]
My train gets in at 3:05. I could meet up after I drop my bags at the Marriot
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kylewm
gregorlove: just leaving the airport... I think I'm still about an hour from downtown
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aaronpk
nice! by train?
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 27 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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kylewm
aaronpk, yep train
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GWG
gRegor-mobile and I are camped out in the study of the hotel.
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aaronparecki.com
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gRegorLove
We're hanging out @ Marriott second floor until the Leaders Summit
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gRegorLove
Salt: Did I see you might need a ride back to Seattle?
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aaronpk
i shoulda included some nearby coffee shops in my email last night :)
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gRegorLove
This works great. Nice, comfy workspace
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gRegorLove
just got last night's email
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gRegorLove
s/got/reading/
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Loqi
gRegorLove meant to say: just reading last night's email
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aaronpk
catering order for sunday confirmed!
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aaronpk
anyone have a car and wouldn't mind being on pickup duty?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Attending IndieWeb Summit 2016" by David Shanske https://david.shanske.com/2016/06/03/indieweb-2016/
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Salt
gRegorLove, ditto :P
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Salt
so if you find extra seats, do let me know plox!
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gRegorLove
Salt: I was asking because I'm driving to Bellingham
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tantek
now where did I capture that event editing UI
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Salt
gRegorLove, wait what?
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gRegorLove
I was asking if you needed a ride. :)
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Salt
oooh
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Salt
thought you were saying the other way around
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gRegorLove
Planning to leave Sunday after demos.
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Salt
a ride would be nice, when are you leaving?
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Salt
cool
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Salt
gRegorLove, yeah, I will definitely take you up on that IF I can't coordinate going directly to Orcas on Sunday
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@AlexSchleber
@kyledrake btw I take it I'll be seeing you at the Indieweb thing this weekend?
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tantek.com
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tantek
just can't stop wiki-ing when I find silos doing dumb things
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tantek.com
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tantek
hey everyone we got a request for kid related or child care (last minute, like today) for IndieWeb Summit (but after we sold out) so I've added that to the list of items to plan for before an IndieWebCamp. Feel free add more support etc.: https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamps#Before
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kylewm
Scott hanselman asked about that too, I didn't give a very useful answer
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tantek.com
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tantek
wow 23 indie RSVPs
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tantek
kylewm - hmm definitely feel free to share anything like that!
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tantek
good to capture requests / needs so we can adapt and accomodate better in the future
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gRegorLove
I think GWG just did the ti.to registration, so if aaronpk adjusted the amount available last night, there might still be 1 rsvp spot available
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aaronpk
We had someone else sign up last minute too so it's totally full!
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tantek
nope we sold out
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tantek
posted it
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kylewm
Kyle Drake is not coming this weekend right? (Despite that tweet)
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tantek
which tweet?
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@indiewebcamp
RT @t: The 6th annual IndieWeb Summit has just [last night] sold out! Almost half indie RSVPs: http://2016.indieweb.org/#rsvps (ttk.me t4h_2)
(twitter.com/_/status/738797376865849344)
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kylewm
Gregorlove where are you guys at now?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Excited for a SOLD OUT IndieWeb Summit!
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GWG
kylewm: We're at the Marriott
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gRegorLove
kylewm: Marriott in our room
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@indiewebcamp
RT @t: Excited for a SOLD OUT IndieWeb Summit! Join the waitlist http://2016.indieweb.org/#register for any spots that open up. (ttk.me t4ha3)
(twitter.com/_/status/738798413932691457)
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tantek
I blame aaronpk for making me post on my own site before (re)tweeting things from @indiewebcamp :P
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gRegorLove
And hey, it's already 11:24. So I guess heading to Garden Bar in a bit
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gRegorLove
tantek: I thought that was just second nature for you at this point :)
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kylewm
Ohh i was looking for you in the lobby
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gRegorLove
Oh, oops!
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gRegorLove
Still there?
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GWG
kylewm: We were there, however they got our 2nd room ready after yesterday's snafu, so we went up to put stuff away
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gRegorLove
Could meet you in a bit and walk over
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kylewm
That sounds good. I'm chilling outside the front door now
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kylewm
Take your time though
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gRegorLove
kylewm: there's seating on the second floor or in the lobby. Be our guest :)
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kylewm
Also lol at aaronpk saying he should have provided a list of coffee shops, I think I can see four from where I'm standing
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gRegorLove
Haha, I thought similarly. GWG and I were talking about breakfast options and I said I'm sure we could throw a stone and hit several
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kylewm
On 2nd floor now
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kylewm
Opening laptop so there's really no rush
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gRegorLove
kylewm: Be down shortly
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KevinMarks1
check foursquare too
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KevinMarks1
the sold out status isn't counting me as in person?
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kylewm
KevinMarks1: did you get a ti.to ticket?
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aaronpk
I removed your ticket
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boffosocko.com
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KevinMarks1
I did, yes
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KevinMarks1
ah good, thanks
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KevinMarks1
hm, that 'connecting... connecting to the chat room...' toast keeps coming back
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KevinMarks1
I'd like to know that too
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aaronpk
I'll post a hangouts link
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aaronpk
were getting lunch right now so that will bet set up at 1
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Jeena
ah I need to install some binary blob plugin for that first as far as I remember
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Jeena
great, so I have time to install it
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jkphl.is
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jkphl.is
edited /2016/Leaders (+21) "/* Remote Participation */"
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ben_thatmustbeme
new iconset for mobilepub
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ben_thatmustbeme
now i just need a new logo
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ben_thatmustbeme
well i need a lot more
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ben_thatmustbeme
but it looks a bit nicer at least
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@kevinmarks
@Paul_Kinlan @Lady_Ada_King and http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config for the other half of this - you should remote attend indie web summit
(twitter.com/_/status/738818104277372928)
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh, doesn't catch #indiewebsummit
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ben_thatmustbeme
loqi's twitter feed that is
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@BizXLR
@indiewebcamp Looking for SaaS API (private label, fully managed cloud hosted) for- -Classified ads, various diversified -Marketplace. #API
(twitter.com/_/status/738823756018274304)
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KevinMarks1
are you going to change mobilepub fonts?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have not yet, but i could
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ben_thatmustbeme
You have suggestions?
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ben_thatmustbeme
it does look a little out of place with the new logos
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, aaronpk, still no link for /2016/Leaders ?
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KevinMarks1
my usual incantation is font-family: "Gill Sans", Roboto,Verdana, sans-serif;
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KevinMarks1
ROboto is good for android
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KevinMarks1
also, the text entry box is a bit tiny
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ben_thatmustbeme
for Category, yeah, true
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KevinMarks1
you're welcome to copy the note length countdown from noterlive (and the twitter preview if you like)
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KevinMarks1
category doesn't convert to tags on known, but that may be a Known thing
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ben_thatmustbeme
i know there is an option for that in cassis, i have it on my site
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ben_thatmustbeme
I'm thinking of moving more toward the "just add whatever fields"
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miklb
maybe system fonts?
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ben_thatmustbeme
or at least have settings let you decide what defaults are
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ben_thatmustbeme
not sure yet
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KevinMarks1
roboto is system font
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KevinMarks1
there's a medium post on getting system fonts: https://medium.com/designing-medium/system-shock-6b1dc6d6596f#.43nnilyky
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, KevinMarks, it might be because i think i send category as a single field
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ben_thatmustbeme
rather than as []
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ben_thatmustbeme
let me check on that
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miklb
-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', 'Roboto', 'Oxygen', 'Ubuntu', 'Cantarell', 'Fira Sans', 'Droid Sans', 'Helvetica Neu', Arial, sans-serif !default;
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miklb
ignore the !default, that's from my Sass variable
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Jeena
So I'm online too now.
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aaronpk
Jeena: can you see/hear us?
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[benatwork]
Afternoon benwerd
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benwerd
lo, benatwork
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 5/12 at 12:58pm: are you coming to the Leaders Summit? Can you RSVP here accordingly? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#RSVP http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-12/line/1463083099732
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kylewm
good, that's not confusing benwerd
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: Since quiet writing hour has been growing at HWC SF, I've updated the HWC description put it on more equal footing, and emphasized the IndieWeb demos more (which have gotten good feedback) Thoughts? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club#What http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-26/line/1464277725411
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 week ago: your early RSVP posts appear to have broken, i.e. lack p-rsvp markup now, e.g. http://werd.io/view/51ca1213bed7de1e7763d71f http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-27/line/1464375307438
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 5/30 at 4:20pm: do you have any kind of native comment notification / approval dashboard? wondering how (numerous) spam native comments make it through e.g. http://werd.io/view/51c21299bed7de845e3302e4 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-30/line/1464650412622
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 33 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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Jeena
its sounds a bit compressed but good enough
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benwerd
oh ffs
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jkphl
sound is not too good ...
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Loqi
jkphl: [shaners] left you a message on 2/12 at 8:42am: There’s a new iteration of the logo redesign. Wanna take a look and see if it meets your approval? (Since you commented on the previous iteration.) /logo http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-12/line/1455295364728
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Loqi
jkphl: tantek left you a message on 5/12 at 12:58pm: are you coming to the Leaders Summit? Can you RSVP here accordingly? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#RSVP http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-12/line/1463083099732
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Jeena
I can talk here on the chat itstead
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KevinMarks1
this chat is a better
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kylewm
we are introducing the person to our rights, which is awkward so far
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Loqi
rhiaro: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 37 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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KevinMarks1
audio is a bit crackly
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KevinMarks1
well not crackly so much as codec distorted - flangy
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benwerd
starting as we mean to go on #awkwardness #terriblejokes
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Jeena
I think that is normal, at least we had it like that when I worked in portland and we used hangouts
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benwerd
This is the most realistic text-to-speech bot ever
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Jeena
Nice t-shirt aaronpk I think mine arrived today too, just need to get it
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ben_thatmustbeme
dang, really wish i was in that room right now
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: I have your business card here.
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha, so thats almost like i'm there
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Loqi
hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme
i should have given you a bunch
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have tons of them
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Loqi
Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-03.html
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha, i see it
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GWG
aaronpk is 'awesome', we are told.
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tantek
who do we have remote
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KevinMarks1
now we lost audio
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Jeena
no sound ^^
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benwerd
let us know when the sound returns
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KevinMarks1
I think the distortion was a harbinger of the sound dying
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KevinMarks1
replug the usb?
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ben_thatmustbeme
have you tried turning it off and on again
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, i hear now
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ben_thatmustbeme
i just heard that
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, that wasn't the room
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ben_thatmustbeme
i hear kevin and someone else... i don't have a mic
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KevinMarks1
still no sound
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Jeena
it's me you hear
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jkphl
i don't have a mic either, but i hear jeena (and his chair) ;)
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gregorlove.com
created /2016/leaders (+26) "r for shaners"
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KevinMarks1
i'm toggling my external mic mute
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Jeena
om mine is mute too now
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ben_thatmustbeme
benwerd: does micropub category[] map to tags in Known?
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KevinMarks1
aaronpk: can you check the mic?
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indiewebcamp
im fiddling with it
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indiewebcamp
still nothing?
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benwerd
ben_thatmustbeme: honestly I'd have to check. It works in the other direction
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Jeena
ah now!
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jkphl
but even worse quality than before :/
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KevinMarks1
even more flangy
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werd.io
edited /2016/Leaders (+0) "/* RSVP */ The non-alphabetical ordering was killing me"
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Jeena
plug in a ethernet cable ;)
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Loqi
cdo has 1 karma
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KevinMarks1
distorted enough to be incomprehensible
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KevinMarks1
I think it's USB lag
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werd.io
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KevinMarks1
aaronpk: can you disconnect adn call in again? this is useless
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werd.io
edited /2016/Leaders (+18) "/* diversity */"
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GWG
It isn't USB. He's using bluetooth
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indiewebcamp
better?
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ben_thatmustbeme
still far too choppy
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KevinMarks1
no. Do you have a different mic?
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indiewebcamp
no but i have a differnt computer
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Jeena
sadly net really, I guess the internet is too slow, it souds like it is compresst or something
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Jeena
but the video is really good
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KevinMarks1
bluetooth is like USB but with radio to make it worse
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GWG
I have a USB microphone I'll bring tomorrow
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KevinMarks1
I think it is the mic connection
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KevinMarks1
now we can hear bear typing
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bear
oops - let me switch microphones
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Jeena
he has a good mic :D
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bear
how is this?
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@jkphl
Trying to work while remotely attending #IndieWeb Leaders (+watching @iwontsignuphere being on spot).Have fun y'all! https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/738833822092038144/photo/1
(twitter.com/_/status/738833822092038144)
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Jeena
now its better
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KevinMarks1
no more distortion, just a bit roomy now
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KevinMarks1
and a small amount of hum
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indiewebcamp
well there's a giant hum here
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GWG
Hum
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aaronpk
now i'm me again
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tantek.com
edited /2016/Leaders (+152) "/* Session Ideas */ session planning / timeboxing"
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tantek
Topic: event registration
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tantek
aaronpk: is on it
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tantek
timebox 15 min
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Loqi
Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-03.html
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tantek
aaronpk: we want to encourage people to have their own site
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tantek
aaronpk: but we don't want to deal with the inessential weirdness of mediawiki editing
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tantek
aaronpk: also people don't understand that editing a wiki can be registering for an event
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tantek
aaronpk: tried this year, make an event page, normal looking tickets, tickets cost $5
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tantek
... if you can rsvp from your own site, you can get a free ticket
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tantek
aaronpk: I can do this moving forward
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Jeena
subdomains could work perhaps
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tantek
aaronpk: I want the event page to pull from the wiki
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tantek
aaronpk: so we only have one place to edit the content
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Loqi
gives tantek the event page to pull from the wiki
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KevinMarks1
xoxo had ribbons like that too
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Jeena
especially because you give money
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@kevinmarks
RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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Jeena
could it be visible if you are logged in into that site via IndieAuth?
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: we could have webmention rsvps pushed into ti.to registration if all the needed info is on your site
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tantek.com
edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-59) "next hwc Nürnberg!"
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gRegorLove
kylewm: email notifications via ti.to registration were helpful this year, made it seem more official
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tantek
goal: have Indie RSVP work without any need to use Tito (based on lots of people tried to do that)
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bear
webmention response to tito would enable a discount code
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tantek
rhiaro: for me it's a higher barrier to have to pull out my credit card
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tantek
kylewm: this is the best (event site) it's been
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tantek
aaronpk: three issues with trying to only use indie RSVP
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tantek
aaronpk: 1. in order to email you receipt / updates / whatever you would need to put your email in the h-card on your RSVP (which maybe 2 people do today)
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bear
my email is on my contact page but I didn't register :/
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ben_thatmustbeme
my email is on my contact page (not linked anywhere)
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tantek
possibly an ephemerality use-case, publish your email for only 24 hours as part of your h-card in your RSVP so that event page can get it
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KevinMarks1
you could webmention their receipt
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[shaners]
proposal: everyone signs up thru ti.to. then if you indie-rsvp, we hand you a $5 bill at the event.
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[shaners]
objection: giving credit card info to a 3rd party signs is a barrier / objection to some people.
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Loqi
[shaners]: tantek left you a message 13 hours, 18 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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Jeena
my email is on my about page but not in the rsvp
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tantek
aaronpk: 2. we can't expect everyone to receive homepage webmention as the alternative to receiving email updates
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tantek
aaronpk: 2a. or the RSVP itself may not necessarily receive webmentions as a way of being notified
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KevinMarks1
if you webmention my known.kevinmarks.com page, known emails me,
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[shaners]
proposal: receive a webmention as the “email confirmation”
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[shaners]
objection: not everyone who sends, also receives webmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme
is jelly of those shirts
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Jeena
many have bigger hcards on the homepage/about page than within a rsvp
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bear
aaronpk isn't this rsvp webmention email thing something that webmention.io can solve?
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: needs to do another run of those :P
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aaronpk
having multiple webmention services could definitely help with that
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tantek
aaronpk: guest list on the wiki is an issue
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tantek
aaronpk: want to generate it automatically from tito
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: archive the registrations on the wiki but don't require editing the wiki to register
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@benwerd
Totally just tried to save highlights to this #indieweb post (which is vital reading). https://kylewm.com/2016/05/bridging-the-indieweb-generation-gap
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Totally just tried to save highlights to this #indieweb post (which is vital reading). https://kylewm.com/2016/05/bridging-the-indieweb-generation-gap" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/totally-just-tried-to-save-highlights-to-this-indieweb-post
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gRegorLove
... the wiki rsvp archive can be generated from the ti.to registrations.
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks1: I updated mobilepub with some font and spacing changes, let me know what you think of those
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gRegorLove
+1 to shaners proposal
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tantek
I want to still have a way for people to express what projects they're working on
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tantek
aaronpk: make those optional tito fields as part of building your profile (what projects you're working on , other profiles)
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tantek
aaronpk: automtically put those onto the wiki
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Jeena
I'm not sure they can hear you bear
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bear
can they even hear remote folks?
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tantek
aaronpk: as the tickets come in
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[shaners]
we can’t hear any remote audio
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GWG
But if you type it...
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GWG
Someone will say it
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bear
if project page info is important then the registration should link to their wiki pages
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tantek
aaronpk: and then people can edit the wiki to update it
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bear
so someone's registration for an event should become the central location for webmentinos, info, etc for that person
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tantek
perhaps for AV let's add that as Best Practices
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tantek
past: Youtube broadcast and talky.io
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GWG
Registration and Salmentions. Nothing much to be said now.
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bear
aaronpk my thought is to make events.indieweb.com support /user pages
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aaronpk
interesting
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tantek.com
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bear
purely as a way to store per person event info that can be automated (webmention, comments, rsvps)
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tantek
topic: growing
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tantek
subtopic: diversity
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kylewm
benwerd: we've done a lot of individual outreach; should we start doing outreach to groups that have thought about this issues a lot ... e.g. Code 2040
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kylewm
shaners: my goal for IWC LA is to have 100 attendees, going to require a lot of outreach, create new challenges
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KevinMarks1
that does look better ben, yes.
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kylewm
outreach to groups like RailsBridge and PyLadies and node something or GirlsWhoCode
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bear
with that level of a target goal we (IMO) need to have moved out of the generation 0 to at least generation 1
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Jeena
On the last HWC I was asked if I do something to get those who work together with me and are from India to get them to come to a HWC. The idea the woman had was that when they get hoocked in Sweden and then go back to India (because they're mostly working for 6 months) they would initiate it there, like I was in Portland last year and started the HWC in Sweden.
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KevinMarks1
having andi reach out in SF really helped
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, except i broke my ability to login somehow
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kylewm
gwg: could we do some more video demonstrations like the SWAT0 video or the Squarespace parody
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KevinMarks1
can we cross-connect with waffle,js donut.js etc?
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kylewm
what are those Kevinmarks1?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "those Kevinmarks1" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mr
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bear
that's why I mention gen 1 issues -- we don't have install stories for new people on different platforms
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kylewm
(i thought wafflejs was a kanban thing)
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KevinMarks1
they're monthly JS and carbs meetups
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ben_thatmustbeme
ahh fixed it
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KevinMarks1
what is waffle.js?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "waffle.js" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ms
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[chrisaldrich]
Shaners: The local LA Drupal group has a small but concrete DrupalChicks subgroup ; There's also an LA chapter of Girl Develop It: http://gdila.org/
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KevinMarks1
waffle.js is a monthly meetup centered around programming, waffles, and karaoke in SF that you can sign up to speak at https://wafflejs.com/speakers
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loqi.me
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Loqi
Don’t be shy, develop it!
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benwerd
both of those look really fun
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tantek
aaronpk: in all the Germany IndieWebCamps, all the social stuff was a big draw
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kylewm
thx Kevin (I was thinking of waffle\.io)
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KevinMarks1
waffle.js is usually in phase with HWC
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tantek
which resulted in almost like a single track
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tantek
until the most recent one
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KevinMarks1
what is donutjs?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "donutjs" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mt
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KevinMarks1
donutjs is A fun night of code and donuts in Portland once a month - sign up to speak at http://donutjs.club/speak/
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[chrisaldrich]
I've got a list of web-centric groups in LA including various WordPress, Drupal, Linux, php, and related meet up groups that might help the LA camp get to 100, but it'll take some pushing to get it to happen. I will say that there is a segment of very pro-community people here in "Silicon Beach" we ought to be able to tap into.
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loqi.me
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: I may try to come out. We could try some WordPress work.
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tantek
aaronpk: maybe we should include an explicit intro track in the program up front for IndieWebCamps
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tantek
GWG: there's a tension between exploratory sessions, and who will help teach new folks?
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bear
new to indieweb tutorial/sprint day
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[chrisaldrich]
WordCamp LA is on July 9-10 at UC Irvine; their schedule is technically closed, but I'm going to try to do something there to help intro the IndieWeb to that group of 250+
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kylewm
shaners: would could have an explicit, optional tutorial day before or after the two day event
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kylewm
s/would/we
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bear
why does this have to be the same conference as IWC
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Loqi
kylewm meant to say: shaners: we could have an explicit, optional tutorial day before or after the two day event
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bear
why not have a series of lead-on events
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[chrisaldrich]
DrupalCamp LA is usually about 400+ in late July/ early August and I'll do a session there as well when it comes around to do some outreach.
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Jeena
I also liked this install-fest idea
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bear
before we can seriously entertain this concept then we will need to have some 1/2 tutorials/packages that will allow easy wins
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[chrisaldrich]
It doesn't seem very IndieWebbish at heart, but the social network effect of having a presence on MeetUp.com may be helpful in both local/global outreach efforts...
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KevinMarks1
wordcamp outreach is a very good idea
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KevinMarks1
ooh, that is an idea
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bear
we don't have an onramp - we are still on the 2 lane dirt road next to the highway
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KevinMarks1
so many "learn to code" tutorials are 'build your own blog'
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KevinMarks1
so fork them to be indieweb friendly
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[chrisaldrich]
A "tutorial" day sounds more inviting and productive than a "sprint" day... Sprint to me has always had a connotation of "you need to have a reasonable level of pre-knowledge to accomplish anything" to me.
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benwerd
seconding that ^
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[chrisaldrich]
There are a seeming lot of MOOCs (coursera, edX, et al.) that do intro basic html/php stuff that we might "infect" with IndieWeb principles. The issue is to catch the organizers/teachers at the top to help do the preliminary introductions. I know the Linux Foundation does something like this too...
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jkphl
^ This is basically what I'm trying to do at the IndieWeb Hack Day in Nuremberg which is part of the openSUSE (Linux) conference ...
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bear
getting people used to what the blocks are and what their bootstrap options are -- that's the crucial part
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[chrisaldrich]
Is anyone in the IndieWeb Camp "hiring" students for Google's Summer of Code (this year or next?); that could be an interesting way to not only help bring in new people, but get some useful code into the community.
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[chrisaldrich]
I meant to ask, is anyone streaming video/audio out of Portland right now for the travel restricted? I know I'm missing a lot by not being able to get out this weekend....
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aaronpk
we are attempting to stream it yes
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aaronpk
URL is a bit higher up in the logs
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[chrisaldrich]
thanks, I'll track it down...
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: We are trying to.
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[chrisaldrich]
thanks bear!
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KevinMarks1
i think that was chris bfore he muted
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[chrisaldrich]
Sorry kids; think I'm sorted now
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[chrisaldrich]
We seem to have a reasonable base of generation 1, it could help if we do individual outreach to a gen 2 seed group of tech forward journalists to help spread out the word....
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tantek
topic: travel budget for diverse attendees
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KevinMarks1
this talk has been recommended - not watched it https://twitter.com/NaomiCeder/status/738174054675283968
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@NaomiCeder
My @pycon talk on "Anti-patterns for Diversity" is not online. Wow, that was fast! #pycon2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg1LgSg3pmo
(twitter.com/_/status/738174054675283968)
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tantek
we did use it all, raised about ~1125
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tantek
didn't seem we got as much of a response as we could have gotten
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tantek
(aaronpk)
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@jessicamckellar
Hello from your @PyCon Diversity Chair. % PyCon talks by women: (2011: 1%), (2012: 7%), (2013: 15%), (2014/15: 33%), (2016: 40%). #pycon2016
(twitter.com/_/status/737299461563502595)
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bear
agree - the pycon community has solved this issue very well
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tantek
Kevinmarks - can you provide specifics of *things that have worked*
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tantek
we're trying to focus on: 1. recognize efforts that have worked to improve diversity, 2. repeat and amplify them
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[shaners]
chrisaldrich: we can hear your kids again. :smile:
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tantek
aaronpk: lesson learned: started with just "email aaron" and that had very low results
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[chrisaldrich]
On the side, I recruit high school students for a university, and in the last few days I've met with a handful of minority parents. Many students have great "content" that they've made/done at the HS level that isn't 8.5x11" to fit into a college application folder, but having it on a blog is a resaonable alternative. Reaching out to high school related groups could be worthwhile....
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bear
that time it was someone new joining and then leaving
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tantek
aaronpk: so I made a Google Form which had a thing people did, to apply
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[chrisaldrich]
shaners: not me, someone else popped in
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tantek
aaronpk: even if all it did was email me
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benwerd
chrisaldrich: that's awesome
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tantek
aaronpk: it worked much better
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tantek
aaronpk: that part I did like
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[shaners]
ah. maybe it was interference driving by. chrisaldrich
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@jessicamckellar
How? In part: year-round investments in a supportive, accessible community; sustainable, distributed outreach @ThePSF @PyLadies @PyCon.
(twitter.com/_/status/737299558468718593)
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bear
the diversity item has to be paired with some group outreach and pairings
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tantek
aaronpk: but we didn't have a place to broadcast its availability
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[chrisaldrich]
There are lots of STEM groups in particular at many high schools and outreach progrrams out of universities that could be touched for this kind of strategy.
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bear
because this group doesn't have the contacts required to reach those that would benefit
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tantek
bear - can we separate things we "should" do that we haven't done before, and things we *have* done that have worked?
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tantek
we're trying to focus on the latter right now
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[chrisaldrich]
STEM is an acronym for Science, Technology, Engineering and Math education
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tantek
chrisaldrich - do you know of any examples of reaching out to such STEM groups actually helping with conference participation?
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bear
the conversation seems to be going in multiple directions and I'm offering my feedback at the disadvantage of everything being delayed
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[shaners]
bear: i don’t understand. can you rephrase?
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[chrisaldrich]
t: Not directly at the level we're thinking about, but most major Universities use that type of outreach as a means of recruitment and it definitely works there
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gregorlove.com
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KevinMarks1
google IO asking for ethnicity did make some uncomfortable
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[chrisaldrich]
I know Larry Lim (USC) who does outreach programs for minorities for STEM and could pick his brain on our behalf. Could potentially partner up with him somehow as well. https://pressroom.usc.edu/larry-lim/
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tantek
summary things: continuing and expanding the travel assistance option for future indiewebcamps
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tantek
... also include travel assistance program in the sponsorship package
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KevinMarks1
xoxo had childcare as a sponsor option
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[chrisaldrich]
Typically STEM outreach groups are looking for event programming for local groups, and we've actually got some content to offer them. The tangible fact that students could go home with a website that they've built themselves could be awesome. Perhaps we could enlist Jim Groom to offer free hosting, etc.? http://jimgroom.net/about/
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tantek
... also, compile a list of other groups to reach out to
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KevinMarks1
Ada Lovelace woudl be one
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tantek
KevinMarks: do you have contacts there? could you reach out to invite folks to the next HWC?
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[chrisaldrich]
Coincidentally, my 5 year old daughter playing around in the background just asked me, "Are there any girls in that video?" HA! :slightly_smiling_face:
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: Two of them
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KevinMarks1
yes, though they're more UK based
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KevinMarks1
legwork is about right for tantek
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Jeena
we need more "press" stuff which people in new cities could use to reach out to people instead of comming up with everything themselves. (logos, texts, design)
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tantek
topic: numbers in cities, and growing # of cities
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[chrisaldrich]
In my experience, even for events people have shown interest in, the personal conversation (phone call/in person) goes miles towards helping attendance.
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Jeena
I agree, but I can't do that every two weeks, over and over again.
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@veganstraightedge
Super stoked on how the new #indiewebcamp stickers turned out! @ Vadio https://www.instagram.com/p/BGNWwcwsnhK/
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[chrisaldrich]
t: It may feel that way, but I've have guessed you to be an extrovert based on your warm IRC welcomes...
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: A lot of us fake it
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miklb
that is a sweet sticker
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[chrisaldrich]
The LA Drupal community has become so diverse that there are easily 5 geographical subsections in the LA area. Some of our LA based issue is geographical commute time based.
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[chrisaldrich]
and that's part of the segmentation issue that LA Drupal faces
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tantek
chrisaldrich - am putting a lot of effort into trying to learn extrovert skills/habits
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm tentatively planning a trip to Baltimore in January 2017 for a week and might be able to scare up a camp there...
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@huny
if you don't remember updating your site = updating an html file and uploading that ho via ftp you can't sit with us either.
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: I'll be there. I love the DC area. And there is interest down there.
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jkphl1
For the records: IWC Nuremberg 2017 is set, and there will be the IndieWeb Hack Day in 3 weeks, and if I get the chance I will also organize others ..
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@kevinmarks
@huny you might like http://indiewebcamp.com - trying to keep that spirit alive and connect it to the social web
(twitter.com/_/status/738858558427516929)
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[chrisaldrich]
Another source close to journalists, is writing programs at universities... some of my publishing related work brings me into those circles... If writing students can use sites as a portfolio as well as their own "distribution" that could be a great locus of growth.
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aaronpk
jkphl++
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Loqi
jkphl has 5 karma
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aaronpk
amazing
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aaronpk
jkphl++ need more karma
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[chrisaldrich]
Similarly, programs like NaNoWriMo to help budding writers create an author "platform" could be useful.
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Loqi
jkphl has 6 karma
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[chrisaldrich]
Has anyone from the hosted version of Known (Gen3) at a university shown interest in joining IndieWeb more proactively? Or are they all just using an advanced tool without real knowledge of the philosophy behind it?
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Jeena
Do we have any members in Asia?
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[chrisaldrich]
Growth through Universities could be an interesting model...
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gregorlove.com
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bear
is the video hung for anyone else
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GWG
aaronpk left the room.
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[chrisaldrich]
been hung for me for a while, but audio is fine
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GWG
Do you really need to see us?
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[chrisaldrich]
either that or shaners is taking a reeeaaalllly loooong drink of water
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tantek
what happened to the etherpads / discussions for https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Schedule ?
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gRegorLove
Gotta stay hydrated
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[chrisaldrich]
we should have an EPK (electronic press kit) with 3-5 different lengths of descriptions as well as photos and one or two good representative videos we can direct them to.
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[shaners]
there’s video?
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[shaners]
+1 chrisaldrich
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[chrisaldrich]
and we could bring forward some of the major press pieces from Wired, The Atlantic, etc. to feature them on the site. Some of these bigger press pieces are hidden in the longer stream of articles on the /news page.
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tantek
things that work for getting people to show up to HWC:
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tantek
1. take and post a photo every time
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tantek
2. invite people to the next one, literally the day after the previous one if possible, or ASAP
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tantek
3. post more about upcoming events than just "I am going to" or " I went to"
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bear
microformats tshirt?
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jkphl
tantek: here, here!
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[shaners]
we’re taking a 5-10 minute break
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[chrisaldrich]
I just lost some shirts on vacation in Hawaii... feeling like an idiot for not having ordered an IWC shirt now...
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Jeena
btw my video doesn't work either
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[chrisaldrich]
Jeena: I tried to see if I could disconnect/reconnect on my end, but now I'm stuck with a black screen. I'm wishing I had that frozen picture back now...
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Jeena
hehe yeah same here ^^
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bear
if this is a break, why not restart the hangouts now
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[chrisaldrich]
Jeena: I've switched the screen over so your icon shows instead. It feels like you're staring me down...
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Jeena
that is the point of my avatar :-p
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bear
did we lose the portland feed?
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[chrisaldrich]
makes me feel like I should be working harder...
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GWG
It is being serviced
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Jeena
yey, video!
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[chrisaldrich]
I feel smarter now that I can look over GWGs shoulder...
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willnorris
before ya'll get going again, could someone confirm what time the pre-summit meetup thing is tonight? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Schedule says 4:30pm but http://2016.indieweb.org/ says 19:00
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Loqi
willnorris: pfefferle left you a message 1 day, 15 hours ago: now it works like a charm! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-02/line/1464852645548
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Loqi
IndieWeb Summit
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gRegorLove
willnorris: 7pm
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gRegorLove
Will fix
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willnorris
yeah, just noticed that wiki actually has: <time class="dt-start" datetime="2016-06-03T19:00:00-0700">4:30pm</time>
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gregorlove.com
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gRegorLove
Probably copypasta from previous IWC
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bear
I always felt the goal was to first own your data and to enable connections to whatever publishing tools you want to use
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gRegorLove
3 hours until IndieWeb Summit pre-party!
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 6/3 6:50pm (#5847)
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tantek
still kinda breaking
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[chrisaldrich]
Quirkily, my primary use of Medium is to follow Dave Winer and Medium does a great job of giving me mobile notifications when he posts...
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bear
aaronpk can I arrange for one of those to get to me?
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aaronpk
definitely!
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gRegorLove
We're back.
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gRegorLove
Topic: presenting
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gRegorLove
subtopic: renaming to indieweb
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: people see "camp' and events and don't realize it's more than a handful of events, ongoing thing
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gRegorLove
...events still IndieWebCamp
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gRegorLove
...community becomes IndieWeb Community
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[chrisaldrich]
Could bring it in line linguistically with WordPress vs WordCamp or Drupal vs DrupalCamp
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gRegorLove
...related: multiple channels to separate discussion and avoid scaring people off
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[chrisaldrich]
We're also generally on the cusp of the entry of gen2 which is going to cement the names/concepts we've got into a broader consciousness hereafter...
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gRegorLove
...Slack does a great job with multiple channels/focusing topics
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gRegorLove
...xoxo slack almost 2000 people and self-organized into channels
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Jeena
I personally wouldn't use slack
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gRegorLove
(Slack is a bridge)
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gRegorLove
(Just an example in favor of multiple channels and how it's succeeded)
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Jeena
ah ok, get it
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[chrisaldrich]
slack is also a more "mainstream" interface for Gen2/3 compared with a less mainstream feel of using IRC, which may scare off some of that segment of the community
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gRegorLove
... xoxo slack has "badattitude" channel and the only place you can complain about stuff.
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gRegorLove
... can't complain in any other channels
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bear
the problem with slack is that I can't save logs
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GWG
I want my own channel. #gwg-gripes.
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gRegorLove
... Slack is a case study. Not proposing using only Slack
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benwerd
(I love Slack)
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[chrisaldrich]
I actually love that slack ports across to IRC and logs are saved on the wiki
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gRegorLove
... IRC is an obstacle to the next generation, even some of the current generation
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[shaners]
i love slack too
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bear
ha - I feel about slack what aaronpk feels about IRC
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gRegorLove
(I bet [betatwork] loves slack too)
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jkphl
gRegorLove: So true! ;)
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gRegorLove
... proposal is to keep Slack channels mirror of IRC channels
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Jeena
isn't it #indiechat?
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gRegorLove
... #indieweb-dev on IRC would be Slack channel #dev and they'd be mirrored
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bear
how will slack created channels get auto-mirrored to IRC
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gRegorLove
(I think it's the other way arround, bear)
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bear
but i'm worried about new channels being discovered
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M-Kodo
aaronpk (IRC): quill is caching my micropub endpoint. I updated it but it keeps showing the old one
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[chrisaldrich]
I like the idea of a WP channel, but at present I worry that it'd be a tad too quiet and toward being welcoming, we need to make sure there's a regular presence of people...
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[chrisaldrich]
If there are too many empty channels, it could make things look like a ghosttown and more like a dying group rather than a growing one....
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[chrisaldrich]
another benefit of multi-channels is that it becomes easier to catch up reading on those of a particular interest when one has been away
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bear
aaronpk - can we increase the number of "ops" people to help administer these things
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[shaners]
bear - please do investigate! :wink:
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bear
our goal should be to have in a year a indieweb way of having slack without it being a silo
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[chrisaldrich]
dogfooding++
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Loqi
dogfooding has 1 karma
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aaronpk
bear: i agree. i have some thoughts on that, but it's a loooot of work
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bear
i'm here to help with that
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[chrisaldrich]
indiewebcamp.org for events related stuff and indiewebcamp.com redirects to indieweb.com
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aaronpk
just to clarify, the domains we have are indieweb.org and indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk
we're talking about redirecting indiewebcamp.com -> indieweb.org, then having events.indieweb.org handle all our event pages/registration
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[jimpick]
Slack is handy for somebody like me that already has to use it for work
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KevinMarks1
who has .com ?
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aaronpk
yep, slack has been a great bridge
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gRegorLove
Unkonwn. Private reg
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KevinMarks1
indieweb.camp works
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[shaners]
kevinmarks: godaddy proxy whois info
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[chrisaldrich]
we could go oldschool and get geocities.com :wink:
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KevinMarks1
Creation Date: 27-apr-2003
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gRegorLove
chrisaldrich++
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Loqi
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KevinMarks1
love the banner
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[chrisaldrich]
Wait, we don't have a corporate spokesperson and a PR department?
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[chrisaldrich]
We might have to incorporate to have a body to own the trademark...
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aaronpk
yup, foundation/non-profit etc
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M-Kodo
Yeah I was thinking IndieWeb Foundation
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M-Kodo
Like the Drupal Foundation
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[chrisaldrich]
that archive.org has a Glendale, CA PO box which is in my backyard... If we could find a name, I'll go knock on the door.
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M-Kodo
lol
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bear
indieweb.org feels better IMO
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M-Kodo
nevermind the buzzcocks
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bear
this should be now stated as a proposal and allow people to +1 or -1 it
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[chrisaldrich]
Who cares about Twitter when we own our own domain?
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bear
because not all people impacted are online or awake
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kylewm
bear: good point
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M-Kodo
ICANN owns my domain, I'm just borrowing it
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[chrisaldrich]
Doesn't anyone have a copy of Roberts Rules of Order? :wink:
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GWG
[chrisaldrich]: I do
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[chrisaldrich]
@GWG, I can see you googling it right now...
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[shaners]
What is namechange?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "namechange" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mu
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GWG
I own two copies. I'm not joking.
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gRegorLove
That's small amounts of namecoin, right?
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bear
so are we blocked on getting new version of the wiki and all the goodness that comes with it because of cosmetics?
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bear
cosmetics that people can fix at any time even?
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aaronpk
the proposal is to decide that we're switching to the Vector skin and actually flip that switch like today or tomorrow
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aaronpk
then i can do the wiki upgrade (and fixing plugins) later and it won't be a visible change
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bear
my ops side says anything that gets us closer to the latest version is a good thing
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bear
plus this may draw out some designer types...
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[chrisaldrich]
Most of us don't go to/use the homepage, it's definitely about next-gen
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bear
I haven't viewed the homepage in months
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[chrisaldrich]
the homepage should be more about sales for the benefit of growth
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[chrisaldrich]
Wikipedia is also already at massive scale and IndieWeb isn't (yet).
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bear
the focus of the wiki should be knowledge transfer, not about the tech behind it
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bear
so hiding everything that isn't the knowledge... +1
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bear
yes ^^ we always have to view the wiki from the eyes of a new person
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bear
we can have different portal pages that cater to specialized aspects of the community
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bear
act on what we have that can be acted on - trying to plan for something that can't be acted on yet is distracting
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[chrisaldrich]
I was personally scared away by the current homepage for a while and had to come back several times before I began to really dig under the hood. The goal should be to make it all be more accessible to broader and broader audiences.
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Salt
okay, so my laptop is official dead and not going to make it to portland...
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Salt
look forward to seeing everyone there with a very poor excuse for a backup!
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Salt
also gonna be in late so probably miss the pre-meetup thing
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[chrisaldrich]
It's nice that the google search for indiewebcamp images comes back with lots of pictures of groups of people. Somewhat similar to the way that a search for "withknown images" are pictures of people
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tantek
Hey (self-identified) generation 1.5 people, what do you think of the overall design of 2016.indieweb.org vs the current wiki home page?
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[chrisaldrich]
t: I think it should sit somewhere between the two, but closer to 2016.indieweb.org
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aaronpk
the vast majority of the current home page is about events. if we're talking about moving events to events.indieweb.org then all the event stuff on the home page can go there and it would mean much less stuff we're trying to pack in to the home page
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tantek
thanks chrisaldrich!
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[chrisaldrich]
the question for new visitors is what is the value proposition for the group/movement? what problem can we help them solve? There's far too much to choose from right now.
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tantek
what do you think of https://atom.io/ ?
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kylewm
really appreciate the info from you all remote folks, it's helping a lot!
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bear
do it, get feedback, iterate -- don't get bogged down
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miklb
+1 to 2016.indieweb.org
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miklb
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 142 karma
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[chrisaldrich]
re: atom.io - I like the smooth modern simplicity; their tag line should be above the photo with the download link just below it. Mostly it does a good job of compatmentalizing what it does and where to jump into the product
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[chrisaldrich]
it's a bit too sparse, but I like that it has more whitespace than indiewebcamp.com does right now; our current page doesn't draw people in as much as it should. Think: What would Harry and Mary Beercan expect to see when they come to the homepage from the Atlantic or Wired?
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[scottgruber]
I like atom and use it as my primary editor these days. Some people say it crashes but I haven't run into that issue. I bounced between bunch of editors including bbedit, sublime, coda, but keep coming back to atom.
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tantek.com
edited /2016/Leaders (+87) "/* homepage */ likes"
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[chrisaldrich]
Mostly the homepage should answer: Who we are, What we do, how we can help people with links to news (for recurring visitors), events, and how can we help them.
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[chrisaldrich]
Perhaps there should be different home/landing pages for each of the generations?
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Salt
gRegorLove, look forward to seeing you down there and hopefully/probably sharing a ride back :)
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[chrisaldrich]
Aim the homepage at gen2/3 right now with a denser landing page (what's there now) for the gen1 users?
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gRegorLove
Salt: Sounds good! Safe travels
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tantek
chrisaldrich definitely thinking of solidly aiming at gen2
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bear
bikeshedding alert... make the dev can for all dev period
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tantek
since as you've observed we're 1.5
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[scottgruber]
Probably main thing for me would be clear text explanations. I appreciate this site http://indiewebify.me
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[scottgruber]
I'm reading IndieWebcamp wiki site to understand how to build in IndieWeb functionality to my site. My two cents would be focus on how-to and go for good typography for readability.