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# 00:29 [benatwork] Pretty excited by how grumpy I look in that GIF
# 00:31 aaronpk [benatwork]: hahaha you're like screw this i'm getting my phone
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# 02:22 acegiak anyone know if there's a way to set known to debug mode so it'll stop catching errors and then complaining that they're badly formed?
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# 02:38 acegiak I have a massive workload these days so I don't get to pop in often
# 02:38 acegiak also, I manage to fix my issue by just commenting out known's exception handler
# 02:41 GWG acegiak: If you ever have less, I'd like to resume brain picking.l
# 02:42 acegiak GWG: you're welcome to email me or github message me questions?
# 02:42 acegiak I feel like my site development has stagnated a little which is sad
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# 02:43 acegiak I want to fix up the way salmentions are handled so that htey will also be handled on person-tags rather than just direct replies?
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# 02:48 GWG acegiak: Did you ever look at my attempt to address your salmention needs?
# 02:51 acegiak I'll have a closer look once I'm finished at work
# 02:52 GWG acegiak: Basically, I had 80 commits past the last commit pfefferle made, as he was busy with life. And he encouraged me to keep working, but he saw the scope of what I did and asked me to break it into smaller pieces.
# 02:53 GWG So, I moved it over to this repo, where I can play with ideas to my hearts content. And I'm going to send him a commit a day.
# 02:53 acegiak I saw you posting heaps of commits in that repo and wondered what it was
# 02:53 acegiak cause I occasionally just check in on your github page to see what you've been up to :P
# 02:53 GWG acegiak: The plugin does not work to the new webmention specification
# 02:54 GWG acegiak: When it was written, the specification didn't exist.
# 02:56 GWG Watch the Webmentions and More repository. I refactored everything and am still working on the refactoring. It includes the Semantic Linkbacks plugin as well. But designed as independent pieces within the same plugin.
# 02:57 acegiak on my site I treat them as webmentions on my about-me page
# 02:58 GWG acegiak: I want to figure out a better way to do homepage mentions, so that would address that.
# 02:59 GWG But, my hope is to help push the webmention code so much that it could be inside WordPress Core someday.
# 03:00 GWG Also, by having it in a repository, I can use it on my site.
# 03:00 GWG While working on a more stable version separately.
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# 03:40 mblaney !tell snarfed my webmention endpoint discovery failed on your site due to: rel="http://webmention.org/"
# 03:40 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# 03:40 mblaney (it used to work... but no longer allowed due to webmention.rocks)
# 03:42 mblaney hi GWG, you mentioned rel .org support in #indiechat? so do you think this rel value is ok?
# 03:44 GWG I'm not sure. I was going to pick the brains of the community about it.
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# 03:47 mblaney I guess it's not helpful to explicitly code out legacy implementations either... but will wait for some clarity then.
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# 03:50 mblaney nope sorry I just saw that rel="webmention" is there too... so it's just my code failing.
# 03:52 mblaney !tell snarfed sorry for the noise, just a bug in my code.
# 03:52 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# 03:59 GWG mblaney: What's new in SimplePie, by the way?
# 04:03 mblaney GWG just a few microformats feed changes, parses a few extra properties for better author and category support.
# 04:04 mblaney also needed to add endpoint discovery for PubSubHubbub.
# 04:06 mblaney the reason for the 1.4.1 release was a problem with 1.4, which had actually been there for a long time (when generating hashes for id's)
# 04:07 mblaney I was pretty keen for a number change just for that fix, so if you want to push for a WordPress update 1.4.1 is the better option.
# 04:09 GWG mblaney: It's in the hands of someone other than me.
# 04:14 mblaney hi colintedford, thanks for that they are one and the same now :-) will update /reader
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# 04:18 mrkrndvs Anyone have a suggestion how to avoid all of my Indieweb comments (i.e Twitter and G
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# 04:22 GWG snarfed, you missed fun this weekend.
# 04:24 GWG snarfed, my Indieweb bingo card is still incomplete though
# 04:24 snarfed hey aaronpk, the IWC logotype (ie logo with IndieWebCamp caption) you had on the screen over the weekend was great! i'm giving an indieweb talk at dweb on thurs and i'd love to use it...got it handy?
# 04:25 GWG I have to figure out how to reproduce that on the cheap.
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# 04:42 snarfed kylewm: aha, yes, thank you! i saw the logos in that repo but not the logotype. perfect!
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# 04:43 kylewm i don't know enough design lingo to know why "lockup" implies logotype
# 04:44 kylewm (the other sizes might be better depending on your screen resolution)
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# 05:06 GWG mrkrndvs: What plugin do you use for spam?
# 05:09 techlifeweb GWG: Hey, Im using your Bridgy publish plugin for WP. Works great.
# 05:13 GWG techlifeweb: I need to make some refreshes based on new features Bridgy has...but it's a nice simple way to send webmentions to Bridgy.
# 05:14 techlifeweb GWG: it just works. I was simply including the link before and that seemed to be hit or miss for me. I mostly POSSE to twitter
# 05:17 GWG techlifeweb: I'll keep that in mind. Tell me if there is anything I can keep in mind for future versions.
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# 05:21 techlifeweb GWG: well I dont know if it is even possible but I wish there was a way for it to grab the like to the tweet and put it in the semantic links field so I didnt have to send the link in the tweet. There may be other plugins for this, I dont know.
# 05:21 GWG techlifeweb: Can you rephrase that? I'm not sure I get the meaning.
# 05:23 techlifeweb GWG: I want to send my post to twitter and not include the link to my post
# 05:25 techlifeweb for it to come full circle I need to include the twitter link in semantic links (at least I think that is how it works)
# 05:25 GWG Semantic Linkbacks in WordPress is a plugin that enhances comments.
# 05:26 GWG Or are you talking about Syndication Links? The plugin that displays the twitter link?
# 05:28 GWG Syndication Links should pull the link back from Bridgy.
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# 05:29 GWG If not, I will be looking at it again soon.
# 05:33 kylewm GWG: did you see the problems with chris's wp theme we were discussing on github this morning? e-content wrapping too much stuff, syndication links and date and stuff
# 05:37 GWG kylewm: Which github conversation was that?
# 05:37 GWG kylewm: I know about the problem before that.
# 05:46 kylewm k, that's fine then. you don't need to see the specific conversation
# 05:47 GWG I came up with a solution. It is a bit hacky.
# 05:49 GWG Basically, WordPress has a filter around the content. Many plugins insert things under or above by filtering it.
# 05:52 GWG My solution was to have my theme add e-content to the content filter at a high priority.
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# 05:58 GWG techlifeweb, wasn't an option when I wrote the plugin. Might revisit.
# 06:01 miklb could probably add a shrotcode to handle those
# 06:02 Loqi miklb meant to say: could probably add a shortcode to handle those
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# 06:48 miklb weird. Tried setting up Quill in a Fluid instance but when it validates with Indieauth it opens the link in my browser so it can authenticate.
# 06:48 Loqi miklb meant to say: weird. Tried setting up Quill in a Fluid instance but when it validates with Indieauth it opens the link in my browser so it can't authenticate.
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# 07:56 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# 07:57 petermolnar GWG it's not only that it's filtered; when you use the built-in wordpress solutions for eg. replacing content, it triggers half of the world for action; I ended up replacing content with direct db calls when I wrote my fill-content by photo IPTC
# 07:58 petermolnar but I guess that doesn't apply here (sorry, accidentally skipped a few lines when reading back)
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# 10:23 petermolnar WordPress-users, a question: since I still believe, the domain name itself is a weak link in the larger indieweb ecosystem (you're renting it, and it can be taken away), I was thinking to serve my site from a .onion as well, but apparently, this is harder to set up with WordPress as I expected. Had anyone done this before, serving the same WP with 2 domains?
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# 11:19 mrkrndvs I use Akismet for spam, should I use something different?
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# 12:47 GWG mrkrndvs: Not necessarily. I was going to look into that problem
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# 14:11 kylewm Is there already a page on the wiki for the propsed indiewebcamp -> indieweb name change and domain redirect?
# 14:13 kylewm rename to IndieWeb is a proposal from the 2016 IndieWeb Leaders Summit, to change our primary identity from IndieWebCamp to IndieWeb.
# 14:15 snarfed we already have the twitter handle, so that means we're done, right?
# 14:17 rMdes twitter handles can be changed if needed. we could at least reserve it
# 14:18 snarfed rMdes: heh, i meant we already have the @indieweb handle
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# 14:22 rMdes someone has it, seems to be owned by indieweb.com
# 14:25 kylewm snarfed: heh, yep we don't own and don't know who owns indieweb.com nor @indieweb ... we decided it wasn't a deal breaker because they are inactive
# 14:26 kylewm "I guess it would be kind of hypocritical of me to say no because we don't own the twitter handle" -- me :)
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# 15:38 aaronpk "lockup" refers to the text being converted to vectors so you don't need to have the font to open the original file
# 15:39 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# 16:05 rMdes we have one more indieweb fan : www.celinebouton.eu
# 16:05 rMdes pretty much setting her up now and getting her used to a bunch of principles & ideas
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# 17:48 miklb crossing fingers, might have found solution to use bridgy to syndicate micropub notes
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# 20:51 miklb that's a name I haven't seen in a long time -> @jimgroom
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# 21:15 gRegorLove snarfed: Cool to title your lightning talk "IndieWeb" on the wiki or have something else I should use?
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# 21:15 snarfed gRegorLove: whoa. um, sure! you're ahead of me, it hasn't happened yet and i haven't written it yet :P
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# 21:48 notenoughneon.com created /PURR (+651) "Created page with "'''<dfn>PURR</dfn>''' is an acronym for '''parse-update-render-repeat'''. It is a pattern for using published HTML + semantic markup as a content store. PURR addresses the issue..."" (
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# 21:56 aaronpk anyone want to help poke around the new version of the wiki?
# 21:56 aaronpk need help looking for broken extensions/templates and things
# 21:59 aaronpk it's a copy of the wiki running on my laptop, i upgraded mediawiki
# 22:00 aaronpk so it's quite likely there are broken things but the wiki is big and i need help finding them
# 22:00 [shaners] Can we push it to production and find them live and together?
# 22:01 aaronpk also i haven't enabled indieauth sign-in on this copy yet
# 22:03 aaronpk thx. i forgot i had an old database dump on my laptop already. one sec
# 22:03 miklb aaronpk speaking of indieauth, any suggestion as to how to phrase a bug report to Fluid about loading the indieauth in a browser instead of staying inside the Fluid instance?
# 22:04 aaronpk miklb: IIRC Fluid lets you whitelist certain URLs which stay within the Fluid instance
# 22:04 aaronpk also in OAuth, you don't want to encourage apps to "embed" a browser in the app, since it's too easy to fake a similar looking page and create phishing attacks
# 22:05 miklb thanks. Still working out getting micropub syndication working, so it's not imperative
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# 22:32 aaronpk hm no, that's not it... it looks like it's the same problem as on irc-people
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# 22:39 aaronpk irc logs are handled outside the wiki so that's fine
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# 22:47 gRegorLove Hope there's a setting and not some major template-parsing change between versions...
# 22:47 gRegorLove That's the HWC template -- mostly working, but not showing the event_name parameter for some reason.
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# 22:51 gRegorLove Common thing between that and the sparklines is template code inside an <a href>
# 22:51 aaronpk yeah i'm pretty sure it's only parsing templates one level deep or something
# 22:51 gRegorLove Template:one-day-event isn't including other templates, afaik
# 22:52 gRegorLove And Template:irc user is working except for the stuff inside the <a href>
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# 22:57 aaronpk oh i see... it's not parsing it because it's in an <a> tag
# 22:57 aaronpk because that's parsed by AnchorHandler and probably doesn't tie into the template hooks
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# 23:04 aaronpk yeah i think it's all because of the AnchorHandler not diving into the content of the <a> tag and parsing it
# 23:06 gRegorLove Agreed. Weirdly not finding much when I try to google on that issue, though. Seems it would be somewhat common
# 23:13 gRegorLove Hm. AnchorHandler says "By default, it simply passes through the text within the <a>...</a> tags."
# 23:14 aaronpk yeah that's bad. it needs to recurse and parse the text inside
# 23:14 gRegorLove But /irc-people isn't showing the <a href> in source at all, so maybe it's conflicting with some other extension, or core
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