#indiewebcamp 2016-06-08

2016-06-08 UTC
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@uranther @indiewebcamp why do you say mailing lists are toxic (and wikis are a solution)? (twitter.com/_/status/740413676272951296)
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snarfed hey aaronpk any chance you could count the total number of wms that wm.io has ever received?
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snarfed asking for a friend...who's giving a talk on thurs :P
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tantek heh :)
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tantek wishes snarfed luck in his friend's talk on Thursday
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snarfed heh thanks tantek!
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snarfed generously estimates maybe as many as >1M webmentions have been sent in the wild, since bridgy is ~500k
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tantek that's kind of amazing
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aaronpk webmention.io has received 103,194 verified webmentions
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tantek aaronpk: whoa when did it break 100k?
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tantek snarfed, another stat: there are now tens of thousands of Known sites. Sites that send/receive webmentions *by default*
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Loqi [indieweb] "“The web is already decentralized,” Mr. Berners-Lee said. “The problem is the dominance of one search engine, one big social network, one Twitter for microblogging." by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-web-is-already-decentralized-mr-berners-lee-said-the-problem
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aaronpk the 100,000th (verified) webmention that webmention.io received was on 2016-05-29 3:30pm PDT
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KartikPrabhu neat!
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aaronpk and was from bridgy, and was a mis-mention of @t because "@t-mobile" mentions "@t"
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KartikPrabhu lol
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KartikPrabhu that last part is unfortunate
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snarfed aaronpk: thanks!
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snarfed tantek: yes!
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tantek oh dear, I wonder what % of webmention.io webmentions received, and Bridgy webmentions sent, are false-positive @t-mentions on Twitter.
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Loqi I couldn't find a Twitter account for http://webmention.io
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KartikPrabhu err what was that from Loqi?
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Loqi yo
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^ Loqi wants you to create a Twitter account for webmention.io ;)
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Loqi :)
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KartikPrabhu Loqi are you sentient?
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colintedford Loqi may be looking for someone to talk to other than we humans.
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colintedford Loqi, sentient or not?
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Loqi not
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colintedford OK then
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KartikPrabhu oh oops
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KartikPrabhu Loqi, sentient, yes?
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Loqi :)
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KartikPrabhu man!
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@indiewebcamp @uranther many reasons here: http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-better-than-email + years experience. Even many @W3C specs shifting from mailing lists to GH issues. ^@t (twitter.com/_/status/740430608191660033)
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@mrkrndvs What Makes a Comment? http://readwriterespond.com/?p=1959 #blogging #indieweb cc @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/740446510903644160)
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@jkphl That's it. Bye bye private messages on my mobile, @facebook. Time for an #indieweb solution. https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/740451027728601093/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/740451027728601093)
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@jkphl Looking forward to a #HomebrewWebsiteClub w/ at least 7 ppl tonight! Chime in if you fancy tinkering on your website http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-08-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/740454067353333760)
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@jeena My IndieWebCamp t-shorts with the new logo arrived! But next time we need to g... more at https://jeena.net/photos/233 https://twitter.com/jeena/status/740458145273794565/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/740458145273794565)
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jkphl.is edited /events/2016-06-08-homebrew-website-club (+5) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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pfefferle good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme Good morning pfefferle
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@uranther @indiewebcamp great discussion of the issues! Btw this URL is broken: 7 Deadly Sins That Block Team Collaboration (And How To Overcome Them) (twitter.com/_/status/740536360512020482)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Updated my social blogging CMS #Known to version 0.9.2 - Testing my twitter- and facebook connection. #withknown #indieweb" by Andreas Petersell http://www.petersell.com/2016/updated-my-social-blogging-cms-known-to-version-092
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GWG Morning
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@uranther The Web’s Creator Looks to Reinvent It http://www.nytimes.com #DWebSummit #upgradetheinternet #indieweb #blockchain #cryptocurrency (twitter.com/_/status/740550469043425280)
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@Petersell Updated my social blogging CMS #Known to version 0.9.2 - Had to download latest twitter plugin. #withknown #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/740551167760027649)
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@rrrrrrrix I'm on my way to @internetarchive for #dwebsummit http://www.decentralizedweb.net/ to chat #indieweb @matrixdotorg and private shared spaces (twitter.com/_/status/740553287045238784)
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@jkphl I really, really love the souvenir @iwontsignuphere brought me from the #IndieWeb Summit. Always wanted one! Thx @t! https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/740554561971228673/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/740554561971228673)
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singpolyma Trying to use SMS auth on indieauth.com is failing for me (get a 500 error in my JS console)
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aaronpk hrm
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singpolyma aaronpk: also, I'm trying to switch my OpenID delegation to indieauth.com, and it doesn't seem to be working with stackoverflow (my primary openID consumer)
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singpolyma I get "message signature was incorrect"
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singpolyma aaronpk: oh, found the github and the issue about that and the workaround. cool :)
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@singpolyma @wolever set your openid.server to https://openid.indieauth.com/openid and openid.delegate to your own domain name (https://singpolyma.net/?post_type=actionstream&p=566479) (twitter.com/_/status/740566807740719104)
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aaronpk it's crazy how few openid servers there are left
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singpolyma aaronpk: yeah. I've been using clavid but it's shutting down
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singpolyma I was going to build one that supports openid 1.1 + 2 + connect + SAML + indieauth. but I don't know if I'll get around to that and indieauth.com works already :)
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@timweston Looking for a quality, affordable web host for personal web site/development. Any suggestions #indiewebcamp folks? (twitter.com/_/status/740567278161399808)
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singpolyma I'll open a ticket about the SMS issue
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aaronpk cool thanks
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@aaronpk @timweston I'm a fan of @Dreamhost. Also see http://indiewebcamp.com/web_hosting (twitter.com/_/status/740567966924701696)
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@uranther @indiewebcamp I fixed the link. The power of wikis! :D (twitter.com/_/status/740569626552217600)
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@grantpotter Decentralized Web Summit - Live from @internetarchive #DWebSummit https://www.youtube.com/ #indieedtech #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/740570603212681217)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Decentralized Web Summit - Live from @internetarchive #DWebSummit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3S2P7rCZPM #indieedtech #indieweb" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/decentralized-web-summit---live-from-internetarchive-dwebsummit-watchva3s2p7rczpm-indieedtech
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@uranther Live feed of Decentralized Web Summit https://www.youtube.com/ #DWebSummit #upgradetheinternet #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/740571726090797056)
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rrix sees a tantek
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tantek waves
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Loqi [indieweb] "Added a character count plugin for WordPress to make posting to Twitter easier. Trying: WordPress Word Count and Limit — WordPress Plugins #indieweb" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14228-2/
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@CaterinaRindi Watch live! RT @grantpotter: Decentralized Web Summit - Live @internetarchive #DWebSummit https://www.youtube.com/ #indieedtech #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/740577632841019392)
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rrix tantek: Is there gonna be an IWC breakout?
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tantek rrix can you grab / post a livestream screenshot? I'm curious what it looks like
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@grantpotter http://www.decentralizedweb.net/ #DWebSummit livestream underway #indieweb #indieedtech (twitter.com/_/status/740578038732234752)
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Loqi [indieweb] "http://www.decentralizedweb.net/ #DWebSummit livestream underway #indieweb #indieedtech" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/-dwebsummit-livestream-underway-indieweb-indieedtech
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rrix tantek: I'm sitting behind you, not livestreaming
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@TechLifeWeb Retweeted this tweet: > Grant Potter on Twitter: “http://www.decentralizedweb.net/ #DWebSummit livestream underway #indieweb #indieedtech” (twitter.com/_/status/740578402789253124)
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Loqi [indieweb] "<p>Retweeted this <a class=”u-repost-of” href=”https://twitter.com/grantpotter/status/740578038732234752″>tweet:</a></p><blockquote class=”twitter-tweet” data-lang=”en”><p lang=”en” dir=”ltr”>Grant Potter on Twitter: “https://t.co/fCbXLxUVU6 #DWebSummit livestream underway #indieweb #indieedtech”<a href=”https://twitter.com/grantpotter/status/740578038732234752″></a></blockquote><script async src=”//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js” charset=”utf-8″></script>" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14231-2/
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@trent_g If you’re worried about your content, look into #indieweb and POSSE. #socialmediaBCTLC #FoL16 (twitter.com/_/status/740578845045100544)
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@kevinmarks #DWebSummit @whanamura: many of you are the builders of the next decentralized web and baking openness into your code #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/740579108841754624)
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aaronpk tantek http://i.imgur.com/3lw0VDg.jpg
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bear tantek -- https://bear.im/bearlog/2016/160/decentralized-web-summit-2016
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bear the view from youtube ^^
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gRegorLove Another (from embed on decentralizedweb.net) https://snag.gy/w95HMJ.jpg
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@sandhawke Maybe internet archive should receive webmentions and folks can happily link to it, and that'll trigger (re) archiving! @t #DWebSummit (twitter.com/_/status/740583620700602368)
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@codebear Automatic archiving on publication... this sounds like a perfect use-case for PubSub and #indieweb Webmentions #DWebSummit (twitter.com/_/status/740586894115901440)
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tantek_ great use-cases from Vint Cerf that I'm pretty sure we've thought about (documented), and even built a lot of them already
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tantek_ Would be great to put his slide points on the wiki, and point out for each what our current thinking or solutions or deployments are!
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@sandhawke Quick reaction: Simple design solution to @vgcerf #DWebSummit is archive businesses, rel=archive to find them, webmention to notify them (twitter.com/_/status/740587494639423488)
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tantek_ snarfed at the microphone
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bear \o/ snarfed!
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tantek_ asking Vint Cerf about Vellum [don't know what that is]
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loqi.me created /digital_vellum (+186) "prompted by bear and dfn added by bear" (view diff)
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@iwontsignuphere introducing the new #indieweb choreography to Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg: ✔️ https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/740590816901660672/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/740590816901660672)
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bear.im edited /digital_vellum (+219) "add links to talks about it" (view diff)
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@iwontsignuphere introducing the new #indieweb choreography to Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg: ✔️ https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/27445754992/sizes/o/ https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/740591008468107264/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/740591008468107264)
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tantek_ Awesome animation of HWC Nürnberg!
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tantek that's amazing
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[kylewm] just a small town physicist
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[kylewm] livin in a lonely CERN!
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gRegorLove kylewm++
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@jkphl 7 ppl Homebrew Website Clubbing in Nuremberg! Yay! w/ @sfeldeu @kroko_dok @egoexpress @iwontsignuphere #indieweb https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/740591008468107264 (twitter.com/_/status/740595060027314176)
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@cleverdevil @timweston @aaronpk @DreamHost we love #indieweb! I personally run all of my self-hosted #indieweb stuff on our DreamCompute product. (twitter.com/_/status/740596691166863361)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#DWebSummit @timberners_lee: "bring back the model of decentralized web"
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: #DWebSummit @timberners_lee: “bring back the model of decentralized web” 10,000s on #indieweb today. Join us: http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/740603528851259393)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Retweeted this tweet: ⚡️ on Twitter: “#DWebSummit @timberners_lee: “bring back the model of decentralized web” 10,000s on #indieweb today. Join us: https://t.co/aRPVf7cweS“" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14248-2/
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@kevinmarks That's why I came up with fragmentions http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention #DWebSummit https://twitter.com/aribadernatal/status/740605722849861633 (twitter.com/_/status/740607753698181120)
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^ HTML entity overescaping somewhere in the Superfeedr [indieweb] pipe?
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aaronpk hooboy
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aaronpk oh..no
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aaronpk i think it's not un-escaping them because of a missing newline
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aaronpk probably because of the parser/spec bug, can't remember the state of that
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@znmeb @robleathern I took the Clicky trackers off my websites over the weekend - going #indiewebcamp with webmention (twitter.com/_/status/740615766702096390)
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aaronpk kevinmarks' panel up next! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yth7O6yeZRE
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rrix who's livetweeting it? :P
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aaronpk you?
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rrix I don't think I can keep up with it
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rrix I was relying on Kevin for timbl's talk lol
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tantek kevinmarks:
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tantek what we've been doing with IndieWeb is use the existing web but with owning your data
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tantek and your website and your domain
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[benatwork] keivnmarks++
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Peer to Peer Networks - with Kevin Marks - Decentralized Web Summit" https://youtu.be/Yth7O6yeZRE?t=2h42m30s (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/08/9/)
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GWG I guess I can watch this afterwards.
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aaronpk KevinMarks++ for keeping this user focused
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Loqi KevinMarks has 224 karma
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rrix the #DwebSummit hashtag on twitter serves as a pretty ok livestream
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tantek we really need to add Micropub support to Noterlive
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tantek so we can just hook it up to an arbitrary Known install to live tweet and stuff
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aaronpk micropub for the individual posts as well as the final blog post it makes
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tantek yes
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tantek where is noterlive on github? can we file these as issues and get some work going?
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aaronpk https://github.com/kevinmarks/noterlive/issues
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bear oh cool - David Dias is on that panel!
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[benatwork] This is so good.
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GWG What is?
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bear the current panel at DWebSummit
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GWG Wish I wasn't working so I could watch live.
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[benatwork] Interesting to think about servers as being unwanted centralization
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[benatwork] I don’t disagree
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bear yes, it's only been recently that server power was accessible by the majority of people using the web instead what it was like when WWW was formed
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aaronpk i've started service sites off my laptop, thye're only available when i'm online
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aaronpk s/service/serving
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: i've started serving sites off my laptop, thye're only available when i'm online
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aaronpk but in order to do it on any network where i'm at, I have to connect through my server that has a public IP address
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit 2016" by Kyle Mahan https://medium.com/@kylewm/indieweb-summit-2016-b9e438fc0087?source=rss-------1
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tantek tries "live" tweeting a few key things kevinmarks said
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit 2016" by Kyle Mahan https://medium.com/@kylewm/indieweb-summit-2016-b9e438fc0087?source=rss-e968697bc462------2
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[benatwork] KevinMarks++ for wonderful facilitation and user-centric framing
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Loqi KevinMarks has 225 karma
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@SocialWebWG RT @t: #DWebSummit @brewster_kahle: “Only really simple systems live.” Simpler replaces existing; Webmention replaces Pingback(ttk.me t4hf6) (twitter.com/_/status/740624141246554113)
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sknebel some people I know have started to use old android phones as servers for really small stuff, either at home or to have a local one in locations with bad internet
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[benatwork] j12t++ for bringing up a vitally important topic that needs to be addressed
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Loqi j12t has 8 karma
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[benatwork] how people make money building businesses on top of decentralized social is still unanswered
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[benatwork] quietly leaves to go eat his free lunch
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tantek j12t++
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Loqi j12t has 9 karma
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tantek really wanted to hear that question and answer
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bret sknebel: I just redid my telecom closet at home. Now featuring a raspi2 and raspi3. Hoping to launch some low volume indie web services on them https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UgHjOODK/IMG_0570.JPG
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j12t tantek: I'd love to create a little group of people/entrepreneurs who struggle with this, and want to exchange notes / collaborate.
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tantek j12t - totally reasonable to bring up those topics at Homebrew Website Club
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j12t Will do next time I manage to attend ...
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit 2016" by Kyle Mahan https://medium.com/@kylewm/indieweb-summit-2016-b9e438fc0087?source=rss------web_development-5
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tantek I mean, we are a " little group of people/entrepreneurs" :)
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[kevinmarks] So did I but they shut us down - the countdown clock was wrong
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@Dan_Blick That last NewG panel (and your levitating) was fantastic @kevinmarks! #decentralizedweb #indieweb #DWebSummit (twitter.com/_/status/740626914939899904)
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bear j12t - what issue are you referencing?
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@jkphl @formspiel Kommt auf die Kreise an, in denen man sich bewegt! µm2 sind DER Building Block des #IndieWeb, und das ist mehr als aktuell ;) (twitter.com/_/status/740627352938504192)
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j12t bear: It's #DWebSummit. KevinMarks just hosted a panel that touched on the difficulties of creating a business in a decentralized environment. No place for a tollbooth ...
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bear ah
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@jkphl @formspiel Siehe https://t.co/dZTMzKEMvg, die Community dahinter und alle #indieweb-Technologien. ;) (twitter.com/_/status/740627806267297792)
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bear that discussion always (at least in the crowds I work with) devolved into a micropayments love/hate discussion
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tantek lol
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tantek bear, but now we have bitcoin to solve micropayments! ;)
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bear chicken-egg problem - now I have to figure out how to get bitcoins
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bret Loqi karma for bitcoin
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Loqi who, me?
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bear bitcoin++
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Loqi bitcoin has 3 karma
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[benatwork] also: micropayments are fine (if they work), but that’s money for the content producer, not for the platform. very hard to introduce platform payments without some degree of centralization, or them just being an old-school software license. hard to provide the right incentives as a result.
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KevinMarks Solid sounds like opensocial
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KevinMarks Indiecreddit.com
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tantek Solid is so undefined and promises so much that it gets pitched as all things
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tantek Muneeb: "You have to pay attention to the UX issues and the performance issues from the get go."
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tantek Muneeb: "People are not going to start using your systems if the UX is worse or the performance is worse."
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tantek KevinMarks: You've said that bitcoin is secure because if they break it they can steal 5 billion dollars, isn't it more like they can destroy 5 billion dollars?
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aaronpk snarfed++
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bear loving the large indieweb presence at this event
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tantek great Q from snarfed
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tantek Snarfed: centralized systems tend to have better UX than decentralized. Can you think of an example of a truly decentralized system that has decent UX?
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mpfefferle good morning
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mpfefferle !tell GWG can you please tag the versions in the WordPress repo, otherwise it uses the current trunk which might not always be stable
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk oops heh screenshot of youtube failed https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/08/9/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Peer to Peer Networks - with Kevin Marks - Decentralized Web Summit
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@egoexpress IndieWebCamp on Twitter: "RT @t: #DWebSummit @timberners_lee: “bring back the model of decentralized web” 10… https://known.stierand.org/2016/06/indiewebcamp-on-twitter-rt-t-dwebsummit-timberners_lee-bring-back-the (twitter.com/_/status/740636681808711680)
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Loqi [indieweb] "egoexpress starred indieweb/php-mf2-shim" by egoexpress https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2-shim
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@jkphl @MarcoZehe Grundbaustein des #IndieWeb. Strukturierte Daten, eingebettet in HTML, realisiert über CSS-Klassen, eine (ältere) Alternative zu (twitter.com/_/status/740638719544336386)
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@jkphl @MarcoZehe Am Wochenende auf dem #IndieWeb Summit in Portland war übrigens ein blinder Teilnehmer anwesend, der sich auch für Querverbin- (twitter.com/_/status/740639646632284163)
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@jkphl @MarcoZehe im #IndieWeb und hat dich in höchsten Tönen als feinen Kerl gelobt! :) (twitter.com/_/status/740641214496641024)
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb" by pfefferle https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/#post-63393
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[shaners] https://github.com/blog/2186-https-for-github-pages
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miklb cool, I know I read Ben Balter saying that was a priority they were working on
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aaronpk oh, I didn't realize that wasn't already official.
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@jkphl 🎉 Congrats to @sfeldeu for the first #indieweb site "born" w/ the help of our Nuremberg Homebrew Website Club! https://maker.sfeld.eu/ (twitter.com/_/status/740650992547598336)
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@notenoughneon My demo from #indieweb summit 2016 is now online: http://thready.notenoughneon.com (twitter.com/_/status/740651379744612353)
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aaronpk nice minimal design on thready too!
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aaronpk nice view of KevinMarks rhiaro and tantek up front https://aaronparecki.com/media/file-20160608212311-21178.png
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rhiaro is suddenly self conscious
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aaronpk watches rhiaro scratch her head
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rhiaro fails
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rrix Cory has dope pants I want them
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tantek aaronpk: can we "float:right" the class="toc" ?
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tantek on the new wiki theme - presumably there is a CSS file we can edit without breaking compat?
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aaronpk there's always the risk of it not working with a future mediawiki version but i assume they're pretty good about not changing stuff tooo much. IIRC there's a way to make mediawiki css changes from the wiki itself
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/MediaWiki:Common.css
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tantek alrighty then, I'm sure I won't break anything >:D
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Loqi [indieweb] "Bridging the Gap Between Your Blog and Social Media" by Eoghann Irving http://www.eoghann.com/bridging-gap-blog-social-media
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@sil @ian see the IndieWeb people with webmentions and Vouch for people thinking about this (maybe not correctly, but they're thinking about it) (twitter.com/_/status/740668271993704448)
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tantek article he's referring to: https://ianloic.com/2016/06/08/decentralized-web-my-thought-experiment/
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tantek I do think we may be able to scale Vouch up to potentially both reputation and payments.
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aaronpk purely decentralized reputation is a very interesting challenge
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tantek the simple method is this
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tantek just as we use webmention+vouch to accept comments from previously unknown 3rd parties
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aaronpk related, this is a fascinating article on how people self-organized a reputation system to replace uber/lyft http://techcrunch.com/2016/06/07/how-a-30k-member-facebook-group-filled-the-void-left-by-uber-and-lyft-in-austin/
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tantek we can use it to accept claims of payments or owing also
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tantek like the coffee thing you built, but with webmentions
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aaronpk the coffee thing i built was essentially a shared debt ledger, so it's not a huge stretch to imagine that working via webmention where each person posts one half of the ledger on their site
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aaronpk where vouch comes in is when I want to accept a statement of debt from someone who I don't yet know
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tantek aaronpk: yes that's my point
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aaronpk just clarifying for the logs :)
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tantek that's what I mean by scale Vouch up
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tantek here I'll quote in one line so it's easier:
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tantek just as we use webmention+vouch to accept comments from previously unknown 3rd parties, we can use it to accept claims of payments or owing also
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bear along the lines of the dns talk earlier -- xip.io
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aaronpk I still want to find someone willing to prototype webmention payments with :D
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tantek aaronpk: totally
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tantek aaronpk: note for next Leaders Summit - we should have "goodie bags" to send back with each leader, that we can put things in such as packets of stickers.
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aaronpk yes!
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aaronpk good idea
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aaronpk add to next year's planning page? :D
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tantek adds a next time section for now
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tantek to the current page
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aaronpk easier
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tantek aaronpk can you mail some new logo stickers to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#RSVP including remote participants?
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aaronpk yep definitely!
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@misuba @simonstl I'm not, sadly. Didn't make IndieWeb Summit either :sad_trombone: (twitter.com/_/status/740677361339760640)
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@veganstraightedge @jeena You’re welcome to print new shirt or stickers anytime you want if you want to distro .eu. https://github.com/indieweb/branding (twitter.com/_/status/740680803575857152)
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: What do you think about a Chicago IndieWebCamp in 2017? :)
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KartikPrabhu well I won't be in Chicago then!
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gRegorLove Bah!
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gRegorLove Where will you be?
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KartikPrabhu Ithaca, NY
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gRegorLove Ah, nice. I have family from near there.
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KartikPrabhu we could do another NYC one
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gRegorLove Definitely. I'm sure there will be. Part of the discussion at the leaders summit was expanding geographically. I suggested Chicago
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[shaners] I hear it’s Gorges there. :wink:
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KartikPrabhu [shaners]: yes I have been told that too many times!
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KartikPrabhu seems to be the running Ithaca pun to make
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gRegorLove hiyooo
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[shaners] Print it on tshirts and it’ll get repeated.
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gRegorLove Must Ithaca bout it more to come up with better jokes.
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KartikPrabhu yeah tshirt makers do have a thing for bad puns
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mblaney aaronpk, tantek I like your webmention payment idea! (paymention?)
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: I would be down for Chicago IWC but can not be origaniser
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mblaney I had a thought a while ago that webmention could be used to verify real payments, by linking back to a permalink that represents a receipt from the seller.
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gRegorLove Yeah, I was thinking I could co-organize if at least one of us was still in town. Not sure. It might still be able to work.
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mblaney but the double ledger idea is cool too.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: yeah but having a local organiser makes things much smoother
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gRegorLove Yep
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tantek I just feel like we can solve distributed payments more on human aspects, rather than crypto and math
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mblaney damn paymention is already a thing :-(
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aaronpk heh
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mblaney tantek I agree. I run a co-operative website that deals in both credit and real money, and earning credit by selling to the group is completely normal for everyone.
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mblaney would love to extend that to multiple websites.
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aaronpk ah, twitter mentions
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tantek don't even bother to search for payment related names
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aaronpk haha
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mblaney yesssss creditmention.com is available :-)
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tantek lolol
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tantek how about credmention give people "cred" in general ;)
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mblaney (also available)
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tantek there's something somewhere about getting something to work before trying to get a name
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tantek I forgot where I put it ;)
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mblaney yeah but that's the hard part :-D
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aaronpk "how to avoid racking up a $1000/year bill on domain name renewals?"
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mblaney but I like collecting them, it's more that I have to think of projects to go with the domains...
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aaronpk that's why i have this:
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aaronpk what is p3k naming convention?
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Loqi The p3k naming convention is to find steampunk-era names that somewhat reflect the functionality of each microservice https://indiewebcamp.com/p3k_naming_convention
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tantek good one
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rrix heh, my decentralized project naming scheme is that buy cyberpunk
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[kylewm] what is rrix naming convention?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rrix naming convention" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10N6
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[kylewm] realizes for the first time that your site generator is “Arcology” and not “Arcology"
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[kylewm] still typed the wrong thing … “Arcoloy”*
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miklb wow, learning way more about Jekyll/Ruby than I expected
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miklb and still haven't found a solution
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rrix hehe
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miklb but at least I grok why it isn't working. And am getting closer :)
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rrix I would log in and fill that page out but this chromebook session doesn't have twitter auth
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[kylewm] miklb: what are you trying to do, i’ve been awol apparently
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aaronpk rrix: heh. out of curiosity, what auth mechanisms would work for you in this situation?
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rrix aaronpk: I know my Facebook password, unfortunately, but I didn't bring my password vault to #dwebsummit so I can't even get to my main google apps account
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miklb [kylewm] so I can post with micropub to my Jekyll site. But I want to POSSE to Twitter. The webmention plugin I use fires before I can get the bridgy link appended to send a webmention
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rrix Frankly, I'm fine not being able to auth in this situation, I don't think it's a fault in indieauth :)
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rrix I'm using a chromebook with a burner gmail account I only use for the chromebook, and SSHing to my server at home
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aaronpk i'm just curious if there's something like gpg/sms/email/ssh that would work in this situation where you don't have normal password accounts
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aaronpk some discussion of SSH login here https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/97
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rrix interesting
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rrix reads
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rrix aaronpk: my chromebook ssh isn't key-based so even that wouldn't work today, lol.
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aaronpk but you are SSH'ing into your home server which presumably has your main key
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rrix Well, yeah, that's true
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rrix good point