#indiewebcamp 2016-06-09

2016-06-09 UTC
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aaronpk
so you'd just complete the login from that one
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rrix
right, yeah
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rrix
I'm not sure the implications of putting my public key in an h-card though
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aaronpk
what's your github account?
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rrix
fair
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rrix
good point )
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aaronpk
here are some of my keys ;-) https://github.com/aaronpk.keys
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rrix
I am unsure of the threat-model around all of that stuff, but you're right about that ^
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rrix
I guess that answers the threat model :P
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rrix
So I guess in that respect you could just use "github" as an ssh auth source, even
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aaronpk
oh like if you link to your github account then get the keys from there?
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rrix
yeah rel=me -> github.com/rrix indieauth could just use rrix.keys
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rrix
Hah, woops. webmention/bridgy include <img> of uploaded twitter images, leading to much hilarity in my hand-crafted CSS at the bottom of http://notes.whatthefuck.computer/1465421160.0-note.html
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sknebel
aaronpk: if my site has a rel="authorization_endpoint" set, then during logging into the wiki Indieauth.com would delegate to that? Or offer logging into it as an alternative?
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sknebel
trying to understand exactly how the pieces fit together
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aaronpk
right now your own authorization endpoint shows up as an option on indieauth.com
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aaronpk
this weekend we talked about changing the mediawiki auth plugin to use your authorization endpoint directly if you've set one, rather than always using indieauth.com. so i'm going to try to do that soon.
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sknebel
ok, thx
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sknebel
we talked about different security levels a while back, just realized that with my own endpoint I could implement that
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sknebel
allowing different methods depending on redirect_target
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aaronpk
yeah I really want to encourage more authorization servers so I'm trying not to make indieauth.com toooo fancy ;-)
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[kylewm]
iirc, you basically did the indieauth.com delegation because you didn’t want to write any more mediawiki plugin code :stuck_out_tongue:
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aaronpk
yep but 1) i have to upgrade the plugin for the new mediawiki version anyway and 2) dealing only with other indieauth authorization servers is almost no extra code, certainly a lot easier than dealing with all the various oauth 1.1/2.0 providers
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Last Friday: #IndieWeb Leaders gathered (📷 @julieannenoying) and discussed improving our community, our outreach, and even our website, which updated that night, right before the IndieWeb Summit: indiewebcamp.com
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tantek
wat - I didn't even publish that yet!
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tantek
someone is polling my site :P
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miklb
kylewm do you have familiarity with Jekyll?
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tantek
aaronpk: looks like https://indiewebcamp.com/ lost its webmention endpoint!
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tantek
(or discoverability thereof)
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rrix
ruh roh
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tantek
hey aaronpk did you get a push notification of being tagged in a photo? ;)
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tantek
or anyone else who was at the Leaders Summit?
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tantek
I think I just got automatic person-tag webmentions working (had somehow forgotten to in Nürnberg)
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[shaners]
I got a FB notification
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[shaners]
Has anyone written up the indiewebcamp.com => indieweb.org proposal on the wiki for community review yet?
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tantek
shaners - Falcon didn't find a webmention endpoint at your URLs
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tantek
shaners - yes, it's linked from /2016/Leaders
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[shaners]
tantek: Falcon is correct. DM doesn’t have any WM support yet.
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[shaners]
What is rename to IndieWeb?
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Loqi
Rename to IndieWeb is a proposal from the 2016 Leaders Summit, to change our primary identity from "IndieWebCamp" to "IndieWeb" https://indiewebcamp.com/Rename_to_IndieWeb
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gRegorLove
tantek: I got a homepage mention. I'm not doing anything with them currently.
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gregorlove.com
edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+1) ""there are four tildes!""
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tantek
gRegorLove: yay! Did you detect what the "type" was? Like could you tell if it was a tag?
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Loqi
yay!
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gRegorLove
No, just processed like a regular mention.
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aaronpk
i got a notification from facebook and flickr
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aaronpk
oh yay the webmention endpoint was apparently part of the old skin
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[shaners]
Is PST/PDT -0700 or -0800 right now?
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[shaners]
Fucking hate daylight savings time clock switching.
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[shaners]
thanks kylewm
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[kylewm]
shaners: -0700
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[kylewm]
miklb: sorry I missed your question, no I don’t know jekyll unfortunately
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veganstraightedge.com
edited /Template:gregorlove (+28) "add h-card to gregorlove template (to simplify signature on /Rename to IndieWeb)"
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gRegorLove
Wait what
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miklb
[kylewm] no worries.
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[shaners]
I didn’t notice you had a nested template. Then I did. And undid my edit.
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gRegorLove
Yeah, it replaced the html in there for ~~~~
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miklb
thinking outloud…Basically my issue is that the generator in the plugin parses post.content for links and writes to a cache file for sending mentions. I need to find a way to get ahead of when Jekyll generates the post.content. Or, modify the plugin the to read the Front Matter (mp-syndicate-to from micropub) and write the bridgy link from there.
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[shaners]
gregorlove: I don’t understand the ~~~~ thing.
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miklb
thinks the latter is going to be better solution
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aaronpk
~~~~ is a mediawiki thing which expands to a signature when you save the page
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gRegorLove
I think you copied it with the <nowiki> code around it. Doesn't matter for the most part with your {{veganstraightedge}} template.
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gRegorLove
I guess 3 tildes adds a link to your wiki User page. 4 does that + datetime
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gRegorLove
In my wiki preferences I actually set my signature to substitute my {{gRegor}} template, which is why the sparkline stuff was in there.
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gRegorLove
so {{gRegor}} ~~~~ was redundant
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gRegorLove
That makes it clear as mud, heh
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GWG
Evening
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Loqi
GWG: mpfefferle left you a message 5 hours, 9 minutes ago: can you please tag the versions in the WordPress repo, otherwise it uses the current trunk which might not always be stable http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-08/line/1465416414443
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GWG
I'll have to look at that.
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[shaners]
tantek rhiaro gwg julieannenoying kylewm benwerd: Since you were there and part of the conversation, can you add your +1 (assuming nothing’s changed for you) to /rename_to_IndieWeb please?
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mblaney
shaners was the logo discussed in reference to the renaming? I mean we're talking about dropping "camp" but the logo will still be IWC?
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[shaners]
The new IWC logo would still be for the events, but not for the new larger overarching branding of Indie Web (sans camp).
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[shaners]
We’d need to do another new logo. Which I’m fine with.
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[kylewm]
N D :spider_web:
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GWG
Same logo with the C missing? Or new design?
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[shaners]
new design
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[shaners]
the IWC logo loses it’s balance etc with just dropping the C
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GWG
[shaners]: I mean...same design concept...not a radical change?
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[shaners]
Not sure yet
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mblaney
shaners++ glad you're thinking about it.
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Loqi
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aaronpk
every time i open up mediawiki plugin code i want to ditch mediawiki for something simpler
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miklb
said every open source project ever
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tantek__
aaronpk, did you get a "tantek.com tagged you in a photo" mobile notification?
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aaronpk
not from the webmention
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aaronpk
but from facebook and flickr
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aaronpk
added back webmention endpoint to the wiki!
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kylewm
Ohh simpler than mediawiki, that sounds like a fun bikeshed to paint
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aaronpk
yuuuuup
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aaronpk
i do think it would be an interesting experiment to make a page on the wiki to collect a list of all the things we currently do with the wiki
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aaronpk
like all the mediawiki features that we use
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[shaners]
aaronpk++ good idea
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Loqi
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[shaners]
What is wiki features we use?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wiki features we use" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10N7
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aaronpk
i was just going to put it on http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki
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aaronpk
guess a bunch of that isn't relevant anymore
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[shaners]
:+1::skin-tone-2:
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aaronparecki.com
edited /wiki (-418) "update wiki info"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /wiki (+1677) "add description of wiki features we use and want"
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www.svenknebel.de
edited /wiki (+96) "/* Wiki Features We Use */ embed HTML"
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aaronpk
GWG: good news! the shipment of indiewebcamp shirts finally got here! that means i have a shirt for you now!
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GWG
aaronpk, what do we do now?
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aaronpk
i hear there is an inexpensive way to pay someone to carry the package across the country
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GWG
aaronpk: Are you coming to IWC NYC?
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aaronpk
uncertain, but most likely not
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GWG
Well, maybe you went to send some shirts for use there?
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aaronpk
quite possibly
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@scott_gruber
IndieWeb Summit 2016 Portland - Flickr Photo Sharing from @iwontsignuphere reminds me how special the #indieweb is. https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157669305156105
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miklb
probably a pretty n00b question, but can I pass the omit-link param in the URL for bridgy?
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kylewm
You can, I think. Bridgy is weird that way... it treats query and body parameters the same
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miklb
I have my Jekyll plugin working in that I can send a webmention to a link e.g. https://brid.gy/publish/twitter but not sure how to write that URL with the omit.
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miklb
?bridgy_omit_link=true ?
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snarfed
miklb: yes!
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miklb
snarfed cool. Pardon the ignorance, but would I use ? or & in the URL?
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aaronpk
everything changed
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aaronpk
oh wait, it's worse. everything is *going to* change... in the next version of mediawiki
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aaronpk
current version is 1.26.3, that's new in 1.27
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sknebel
miklb: ? before the first parameter, & between parameters (so nowhere if you only have the one) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Query_string
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miklb
sknebel++
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Loqi
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aaronpk
ooooookay time for plan B
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snarfed
miklb: ?
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miklb
snarfed sorry, sknebel answered my question. Was unsure about how to build the query string
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snarfed
use & afterward to separate additional params. http query param syntax.
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snarfed
ah right. great!
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miklb
ok, it sent. but some reason my markup choked on it. Seems to work normally, but maybe because I have an empty summary on the notes at the moment
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miklb
but \_O_/ for micropub syndication with Jekyll
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snarfed
micropub? are you switching to silo.pub?
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miklb
snarfed no. I'm using micropub to publish to my Jekyll site, then automate bridgy to POSSE to Twitter based on micropub setting a mf-syndicate-to flag
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snarfed
ahhhh. cool!
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miklb
yep the micropub that voxpelli wrote writes some front matter in the jekyll md file, and I'm using that to trigger the webmention. Probably doesn't get more hack :-)
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miklb
not to mention, I took the long trip to get to this point.
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bear
please do write up your journey in the wiki
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bear
it really helps when people who discover how to do something take notes - no matter how basic
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miklb
bear will do. I want/need to tweak the plugin (hoping to a point I can send a pull request) for it.
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miklb
my Ruby skills are how do you say it…lacking? But I'm picking it up bit by bit.
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miklb
Also, I'm pretty fortunate that voxpelli shared his yet to be public code to get the micropub/Jekyll working in the first place. But I'm hopefully blazing the trail so when he's ready to share it I can help others
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GWG
Sending little updates one by one seems to work for Pfefferle.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Updated my social blogging CMS #Known to version 0.9.2 - Had to download latest twitter plugin. #withknown #indieweb" by Andreas Petersell http://petersell.com/2016/updated-my-social-blogging-cms-known-to-version-092
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@jkphl
@MarcoZehe Naja, Microformats sind einer DER Building Blocks des #IndieWeb, und insofern Ja, da gibt es mindestens ein paar hundert Leute. >
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Jeena
somehow, hm, look at https://twitter.com/jeena/status/740458145273794565 everyone in this discussion has their own website and originally posted from it, still everybody answers to the tweet instead to the original post
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@jeena
My IndieWebCamp t-shorts with the new logo arrived! But next time we need to g... more at https://jeena.net/photos/233 [photo]
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pfefferle
!tell GWG yes, so it is easier to understand you changes and your thoughts behind them. And it's easier to discuss changes.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle
!tell GWG one feedback for example: INDENTS ;)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel
Jeena: noticed that too while playing with thready
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Jeena
sknebel, and obviously I don't think we should change how thready works, we should change peoples behaviour imho
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gnb.io
created /User:Gnb.io (+303) "Created page with "==Current Status== * Site uses [[WordPress]] * Offers a shortener version/redirect at gb1.co == Wordpress Details== * Modified theme to bring in Indieweb features and post for...""
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GWG
Morning.
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Loqi
GWG: pfefferle left you a message 4 hours, 31 minutes ago: yes, so it is easier to understand you changes and your thoughts behind them. And it's easier to discuss changes. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465461277596
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Loqi
GWG: pfefferle left you a message 4 hours, 30 minutes ago: one feedback for example: INDENTS ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465461338115
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pfefferle
morning GWG
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GWG
Pfefferle, I still am challenged by indents
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pfefferle
but there are so many tools helping with this problem...
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pfefferle
what editor do you use?
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pfefferle
is there a way to show indents?
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GWG
Maybe I should look into it.
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@grantpotter
"Will we fight for the web we want or let it be taken away?" @ForEveryoneFilm http://www.foreveryone.net/about/ #indieweb #indieedtech
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Loqi
[indieweb] ""Will we fight for the web we want or let it be taken away?" @ForEveryoneFilm http://www.foreveryone.net/about/ #indieweb #indieedtech" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/will-we-fight-for-the-web-we-want-or-let
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GWG
pfefferle: I thought running it through a code sniffer helped. Will continue to work on it.
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GWG
pfefferle: By the way, after the last pull request I sent you, the next one is going to bring the code to specification on looking for target before source.
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pfefferle
GWG ok nice, I will look at the last pull request later today...
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pfefferle
GWG have some facepile code in the make for SL plugin
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petermolnar
GWG: ":set listchars=eol:¬,tab:>·,trail:~,extends:>,precedes:<," and ":set list"; this will show non-space tabs
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GWG
pfefferle: I want to bring over the comment walker and iterate on that to include in Semantic Linkbacks. So any theme can use it.
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pfefferle
I build it theme independent
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pfefferle
the problem with the comment walker is, that he does not group them
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GWG
pfefferle: But how would you do that without taking over the comment template as well?
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GWG
The plugin I wrote answered that by including a comment template and a comment walker and letting either be enabled.
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pfefferle
I filter all comments that have a different type
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pfefferle
and show these types after the comment block
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GWG
pfefferle: Potentially doable. But without editing the template, is there a way to filter the comments?
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GWG
I'll have to have a look.
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pfefferle
it is working without any template changes at all
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GWG
Do you have a link to that?
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pfefferle
will commit it also later today... it is still experimental, but I will make a new branch
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GWG
pfefferle: I have those other Semantic Linkback ideas.
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GWG
pfefferle: Like putting the source into the $commentdata so Semantic Linkbacks doesn't have to pull it a second time. Core does that for pingbacks now.
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GWG
But, only so much can be done so quickly.
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@timweston
I've been getting excited about #IndieWebCamp lately and now I have a to-do list a mile long. Thanks @t @werd et al 😉
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@grantpotter
Orbit distributed peer-to-peer chat application on #IPFS https://github.com/haadcode/orbit - demo at http://orbit.libp2p.io/ #indieweb
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@tedcurran
#nowreading Locking the Web Open: A Call for a Distributed Web | Brewster Kahle's Blog http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/ #indieweb #openweb
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@martinlindner
ein "best of illich" zu lesen, ist ein erhellender spaß. ich müsste das alles aus der #indieweb-perspektive sammeln & neu durchdenken.
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xavierrroy
any Known gurus here? I need help.
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xavierrroy
when I sign on using indieauth on sites, it shows my profile as domainname/profile/user. Is htere a setting/way to configure it point to my domain?
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tantek.com
edited /wiki (+113) "/* Wiki Features We Need */ link mediawiki customization"
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tantek
aaronpk: it's a small article, but I started keeping track of changes we had to make to our MediaWiki install here: https://indiewebcamp.com/mediawiki-customization
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tantek
(a while ago)
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ben_thatmustbeme
xavierrroy: not sure, not really a known user. there is a #knownchat, but if that is inactive it pushes you over to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/known-dev
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aaronpk
tantek: oh good, i will add to that
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tantek.com
edited /mediawiki-customization (+124) "custom css"
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tantek
please do - all yours!
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aaronpk
i started writing notes in a text file yesterday
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tantek.com
edited /next-hwc (+0) "next week!"
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snarfed
!tell emmak re http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09#t1465457742823 , happy to help you make thready support silos if you want! (cc Jeena sknebel)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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tantek.com
edited /events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club (+103) "comment out DC until we have a venue from jgarber, add to regrets"
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tantek
!tell adactio,Jeena,aaronpk,kylewm could you confirm your location for next week's HWC and create an Indie Event (and FB POSSE copy) for it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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xavierrroy
thanks @ben_thatmustbeme for the links
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tantek
!tell kylewm in particular the sooner you can create an indie event for HWC SF the better, so we can add RSVPs as another example for snarfed's talk today at Internet Archive (and to be able to invite people there in person to come to HWC next week!) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[shaners]
If there's a HWC in PDX next week, I can go to it. Aaronpk
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aaronpk
oh nice! let's make it happen then
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 10 minutes ago: could you confirm your location for next week's HWC and create an Indie Event (and FB POSSE copy) for it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489183059
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miklb
oh wow, I just realized that once I figure out this change to the webmention plugin, I won't have to include the hidden link in my articles for bridgy POSSE
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@grantpotter
#DWebSummit demos livestreaming at https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb
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[shaners]
Jeena I put your photo post URL in my in-reply-to field. I just don't have Webmentions working yet.
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Loqi
[Shane Becker] @jeena You’re welcome to print new shirt or stickers anytime you want if you want to distro .eu.
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[emmak]
good morning indiewebcamp
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Loqi
[emmak]: snarfed left you a message 16 minutes ago: re http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09#t1465457742823 , happy to help you make thready support silos if you want! (cc Jeena sknebel) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489119852
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[emmak]
!tell snarfed that would be awesome. was just thinking that showing tweets in the threads would be really cool :slightly_smiling_face:
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[emmak]
reading backlog...
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[emmak]
interesting that people also suggested that thready not supporting tweets is a forcing function to own your own posts
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aaronpk
related, just had a thought of another thing to add to original post discovery
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aaronpk
when I find a tweet i'm replying to that doesn't include a link to the original, that doesn't mean there isn't an original (my tweets for example)
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aaronpk
given a tweet URL, find the user's website on their twitter profile, then look at their website feed for a post with a syndication property equal to the tweet URL
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aaronpk
that would help me post more replies to peoples' individual sites even when i only find their tweets
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[emmak]
are there best practices around publishing and consuming multiple feeds?
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[emmak]
i've started separating my replies to a different feed, but wondering if that would break your reply algorithm
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aaronpk
i have rel=feed from my home page to a page that shows all my content
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aaronpk
bridgy uses that page too, otherwise it would miss finding posts that aren't on my home page
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[emmak]
how does bridgy know which one is the main feed? or does it follow all of them?
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aaronpk
IIRC bridgy uses the main page and the first rel-feed url
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kylewm.com
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[emmak]
hmm, you are not using h-feed though?
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kylewm
crud, no mozilla next week
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 48 minutes ago: could you confirm your location for next week's HWC and create an Indie Event (and FB POSSE copy) for it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489183059
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 46 minutes ago: in particular the sooner you can create an indie event for HWC SF the better, so we can add RSVPs as another example for snarfed's talk today at Internet Archive (and to be able to invite people there in person to come to HWC next week!) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489284093
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snarfed
emmak: aaronpk: bridgy actually fetches all rel-feeds
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Loqi
snarfed: [emmak] left you a message 32 minutes ago: that would be awesome. was just thinking that showing tweets in the threads would be really cool :slightly_smiling_face: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465490254158
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snarfed
er, and h-feeds
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aaronpk
ah cool
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kylewm
doesdoes anyone know what's up in the Westfield mall
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kylewm
does anyone know what's in the Westfield Mall Dome these days? (since Boulange closed)
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kylewm
wondering if that would be a good place to meet next week
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kylewm
I'll scout it today and confirm the location tonight, but the events are up if you want to use them for examples in snarfed's talk!
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snarfed
thanks kylewm! no worries, i actually had to turn in my slides yesterday, but i'll definitely evangelize!
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kylewm
I would've been surprised if you got in the minutiae of indieweb RSVPs in a lightning talk ;)
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snarfed
funny, that's actually the one deep dive i am doing!
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snarfed
sadly not html since they required PPT or OPD, but i'll convert to html soon
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@kevinmarks
Is #indieweb the octopus connecting microformats with the open graph Kingdom? 🐙 https://twitter.com/lechatpito/status/434770786348322816
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[emmak]
looks like known doesn't use h-feed either? is rel-feed an alternative to h-feed?
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aaronpk
rel-feed is just a link to a page that has a list of posts
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aaronpk
h-feed is on that URL and a way to explicitly say this is a list of posts
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aaronpk
my site doesn't actually publish h-feed, it just publishes a list of posts instead
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gRegorLove
without explicit h-feed, bridgy implies multiple h-entry as an h-feed, I think (?)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "1 &#8211; Distributed Web Summit: Lightning Talks and Workshops" by bobajeff http://www.decentralizedweb.net/schedule/#meetup
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[shaners]
aaronpk: I thought you said you were gonna add h-feed to your site?
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aaronpk
eventually yeah, but it's not a high priority and also not a quick change
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KevinMarks
What time is your talk, snarfed?
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KevinMarks
I'm on a much later train
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[shaners]
Whoa. Not a quick change? That’s surprising to me. I expected it’d just be a simple change to your template. A wrapper div or a class on an existing div.
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snarfed
KevinMarks: 3rd in the 11am block, but it'll start late so i'll be on maybe 11:45ish
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aaronpk
pretty much the only reason to add h-feed is to be able to give the feed a useful name, which means i have to have a way to generate a useful name for all my feeds
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KartikPrabhu
is surprised that a web summit will not allow HTML slides!
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: the slides look great
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snarfed
thanks KartikPrabhu!
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KevinMarks
I'll still be on the train then :(
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KevinMarks
Let's see if the stream works
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KevinMarks
Also to make default author clearer aaronpk
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aaronpk
there's already a mechanism for that with just a list of h-entrys
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KevinMarks
I know there is but it requires a lot more from the parsing side
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gRegorLove
Someone should let DW know the mic is hot between sessions
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gRegorLove
And that someone was me.
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@JayGreasley
@davidpeach1 Hi David, I happened upon this - https://indiewebcamp.com/Laravel - are you working on it at all ? would love to read thoughts on it
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GWG
Afternoon
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gRegorLove
Hiya GWG. How's it going?
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GWG
Slowly wading through my commits to Pfefferle. Things get better the tenth time I rewrite them
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GWG
I just had a good idea for another improvement while my brain was supposed to belong to my employer.
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aaronpk
snarfed spotted on the livestream :-)
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kylewm
Lauren Garcia just started her talk, I think Ryan is next
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aaronpk
matrix.org is pretty neat
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rhiaro
yeah M-kegan got posting to matrix via micropub working almost a year ago :)
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aaronpk
i remember!
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gRegorLove
What is Matrix?
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kylewm
what is why?
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Loqi
"You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world [wide web]." — Morpheus, The Matrix
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rhiaro
snarfed alert!
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tantek
Ryan is up!
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tantek
is wearing his new IWC tshirt
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gRegorLove
matrixquotes--
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Loqi
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@kevinmarks
#DWebSummit @schnarfed: we of the indieweb are really excited to be here with you tackling these big exciting problems
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tantek
gRegorLove: aww
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gRegorLove
I have mixed feelings. Nothing against the movie.
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tantek
snarfed: we started with the simplest tool we could get to work. the domain name.
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tantek
... with individual websites how can we help people own their own data
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rhiaro
Greeeat lead-in
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rhiaro
snarfed++
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tantek
... then we moved onto social media
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Loqi
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tantek
... so we post events on our own website
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tantek
... I happen to be running this on WordPress
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tantek
... KevinMarks comes along, and posts an RSVP on his own website
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tantek
... happens to be running Known
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tantek
... important part is that he is saying he is going to this event
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[benatwork]
snarfed++ for really great, easy-to-understand, non-technical explanation
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Loqi
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tantek
... and points to the event web page
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tantek
... uses small building blocks
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kylewm
has a cameo!
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tantek
... key parts here p-rsvp
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tantek
... yes I am going to this event
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tantek
... and the in-reply-to - links to the event
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tantek
... then he needs to notify me
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tantek
... uses key building block Webmention
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tantek
... uses a POST
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tantek
... source is the RSVP, target is the event
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tantek
... my site receives that, goes and gets the source, verifies the RSVP
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tantek
... he RSVPs to the event, between two websites, no intermediary
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tantek
... we feel strongly about meeting people where they already are
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tantek
... largely that's in the silos
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tantek
... you can see people hae retweeted it
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tantek
... commented on google+
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tantek
... grid of building blocks
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@kevinmarks
#DWebSummit @schnarfed: To tell my site about this it he uses webmention - source is his RSVP target is my event
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tantek
... some stats
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tantek
... if you have a personal website you likely already have microformats and don't know it
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tantek
... keep tackling the huge problems
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tantek
... we're right there with you
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tantek
... at the same time, try thinking small, try thinking incremental, and meet people where they are
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tantek
... are microformats are something you guys designed and invented? or found?
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gRegorLove
snarfed++ for a great demo
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Loqi
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tantek
... what thoughts are into JSON vs HTML
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@kevinmarks
#DWebSummit @schnarfed: ~100M sites already have microformats - your site may already be party indieweb
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tantek
A: microformats existed before IndieWebCamp
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tantek
... we chose HTML because it is there
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tantek
... milliions billions of websites
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tantek
... and with microformats
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tantek
... we want to meet people where they are
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tantek
Q: could you explain relationship between IndieWebCamp technologies and W3C Social Web Working Group?
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tantek
A: we are fortunate that key IWC players are in the SWWG
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@kevinmarks
#DWebSummit @schnarfed: Microformats were created by people involved wiht indiewebcamp like @t
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@grantpotter
@schnarfed https://snarfed.org/software bringing some #webmention #indieweb @withknown #indieweb love to #DWebSummit
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tantek
... these core building blocks are open standards
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Loqi
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@lightcoin
"With individual websites, how can we help people own their data?" @schnarfed #DWebSummit #indieweb https://twitter.com/lightcoin/status/740976805327167489/photo/1
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tantek
... Webmention, Micropub are working their way through these standards bodies
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@kevinmarks
#DWebSummit q: can you explain the connection between indieweb and w3c SocailWG?
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@kevinmarks
#DWebSummit @schnarfed: we have brought many of the indieweb building blocks to socialwg and webmention and micropub are on standards track
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tantek
snarfed++ great job!
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Loqi
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@Johannes_Ernst
Excellent #indieweb talk by @snarfed at the #DWebSummit. Leading with check-in's is a great demo idea.
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tantek
need to put a hyperlinked version of that building blocks grid on the wiki!
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tantek
perhaps on top of the building blocks page
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KevinMarks
Hope those paraphrased quotes ate ok snarfed
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tantek
!tell snarfed can you put your slides on the wiki? in whatever format you have
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed
thanks for the kinds words all!
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snarfed
seemed to go over pretty well
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KevinMarks
I tweeted a link to the gdoc but html slides that accept webmention would be good
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GWG
I wonder how many people will try Known or the WordPress plugin today.
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tantek
snarfed, really appreciate your framing and tone of delivery, may try to emulate that in the future if you don't mind ;)
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snarfed
of course!
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GWG
Looking forward to the video.
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aaronpk
tries to find the video permalink
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miklb
still showed me the live feed
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miklb
but I'd very much like to share that with someone I've had a hard time explaining IndieWeb to
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M-kegan
still lurks :)
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rhiaro
waves at M-kegan
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miklb
👍
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aaronpk
i wonder if they'd mind if i cut out snarfed's video and re-uploaded it
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tantek
do it, then tweet it with the DWebSummit hashtag saying hope that's ok!
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gRegorLove
"just helping decentralize the video!"
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[shaners]
snarfed: great talk
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[shaners]
snarfed++
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Loqi
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snarfed
thanks shaners!
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aaronpk
snarfed++ that was great!
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Loqi
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snarfed
aww thanks all!
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tantek.com
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tantek
those of you watching remote - could you add to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-09-dwebsummit-indieweb while those of us in the room are taking lunch?
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tantek
I'll try to upload the photos I took
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tantek
if someone else could link to them in the page
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[shaners]
tantek: I’ll help link them after you upload
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tantek
shaners ^^^ there's one with (y)our nice new logo :)
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tantek
apologizes for the fuzziness of his photos, hands may have been shaking with excitement at snarfed's talk
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tantek
if someone wants to "clean up" the photos, please go right ahead
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aaronpk
it's gonna be a big week for /this-week
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aaronpk
we gotta make sure all the events have photos on them
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tantek
darn it typo on name of first
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aaronpk
and i want more of the summit summaries on indienews!
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Loqi
gives aaronpk more of the summit summaries on indienews
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tantek
that's better
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[shaners]
tantek: time for you to get a newer phone/ipod with a better camera for low/er light. to avoid blurriness.
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tantek
shaners - more like I forgot to turn on HDR which usually fixes that :/
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gRegorLove
I'm archiving tantek's notes on that event page
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tantek
shaners, ok that's it - only two decent photos, all done uploading, go for it
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tantek
gRegorLove: thanks!
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aaronpk
IIRC none of the iPods have a camera as good as the iPhone
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tantek
aaronpk: depends on generation. iPod 5 touch has good a camera as top of the line iPhone 4S did IIRC
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aaronpk
ah that's right
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tantek
newest iPod touch has as good a camera as iPhone 5C I believe
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aaronpk
but the cameras in the 5S and 6S got way better
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tantek
but yeah, nothing like iPhone 6
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tantek
hence all the "taken on an iphone 6" billboards
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: Does indienews update post titles on subsequent wm?
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aaronpk
probably
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gRegorLove
Confirmed. emma's post title updated so I sent a wm to fix
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aaronpk
👍
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#DWebSummit Great #IndieWeb lightning talk by @schnarfed!
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rrix
has anyone done h-feed to RSS script/webthingy?
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aaronpk
wow thanks Loqi
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Loqi
you're welcome
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@csarven
@kevinmarks @schnarfed #microformats 1 lifespan ~5 years? mf2 isn't backwards comp. Longevity #fail, #centralised #indiewebcamp #DWebSummit
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kylewm
snore
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aaronpk
if you choose to only post ill-informed complaints on twitter rather than on your own website, i choose to ignore them
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gRegorLove
I wouldn't mind responding, but he's made his position on indieweb pretty clear already so probably not useful conversation to have.
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kylewm
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
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aaronpk
correct
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kylewm
^cool! I take back what I said about the tracker feed. also the guy sounds like he could be in the Arab Strap (which maybe just means scottish0
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Loqi
[Ben Werdmüller] Single-user @withknown sites can now use IndieAuth and Micropub https://github.com/idno/IndiePub #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, nope, nevermind
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ben_thatmustbeme
not webmention, it was done on the site
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@csarven
@kevinmarks @schnarfed Epitome of irony! #indiewebcamp propaganda @googledocs . Eat your own dogfood 101: HTML @ your own site! #DWebSummit
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aaronpk
he's so bitter
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@anomalily
@ameliaabreu If you want to be a giant #indieweb dork, check out https://teacup.p3k.io/ by @aaronpk - posts your food/drink your site.
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ben_thatmustbeme
yep, doesn't get any dorkier :P
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@ameliaabreu
@anomalily @aaronpk I absolutely do not want to do that but do support y'all in all #indieweb endeavors 💗
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Loqi
dorks has 1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
geeks++ I prefer the term geek to dork
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Loqi
geeks has 1 karma
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aaronpk
oh no not this discussion
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ben_thatmustbeme
man, i still say i'd love to see a list of loqi karma
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@kylewmahan
I think it's clear Nürnberg is doing their part to keep the #indieweb weird https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/740591008468107264
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ben_thatmustbeme
hahaha, Nice!
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[techlifeweb]
Just heard about aaronpk 's Teacup via Twitter. Has anyone written something similar for checking into Movies/Shows they are watching?
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gRegorLove
Idea: Keep IndieWeb Weird shirts/stickers
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aaronpk
yesssss
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gRegorLove
[techlifeweb]: I'm interested in something similar for books, though hadn't thought of it as a micropub app.
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[techlifeweb]
gregorlove: yes, books too. Even i the same app would be cool
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[techlifeweb]
exactly media checkin
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gRegorLove
I've yet to set up micropub, so I tend to think about the simpler version of posting these things directly via my site.
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xavierrroy
I would love that: a simple form to enter a book title and maybe pull in the data from amazon and maybe a couple of radio buttons to mark as nowreading/completed.
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aaronpk
definitely make it as a micropub client! that way everyone can use it with their own sites!
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[shaners]
what is reading?
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Loqi
To read or reading is the act of viewing and interpreting posts or other documents; on the IndieWeb, a read post expresses that something has been read, like a book or section thereof https://indiewebcamp.com/reading
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xavierrroy
right now, i'm using simile and google spreadsheets to display it: http;//xavierroy.com/library
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gRegorLove
Sure, i just need to implement micropub before I work on a micropub client :)
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aaronpk
i know someone who can help you with that
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gRegorLove
I almost made it my project last weekend.
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xavierrroy
@gregorlove: I have that one also usinghte same google spreadsheet :-) https://xavierroy.github.io/books/
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gRegorLove
Nice, xavierrroy! You should add yourself to the examples on /reading (if you want to :))
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xavierrroy
thanks
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gRegorLove
I'm sure implementing micropub won't be hard, but if I do it I'd like to do it as a ProcessWire plugin and I'm not sure how that will work since PW can have any page hierarchy the owner sets up. It's a framework more than a "here are the blog posts, here are the notes, etc."
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aaronpk
micropub doesn't make any assumptions about that
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KevinMarks1
re t-shirts: https://teespring.com/makeitweird
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gRegorLove
The PW plugin would need to though
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[shaners]
I haven’t watched it yet. But Cory Doctorow posted his talk from DW. http://boingboing.net/2016/06/09/how-will-we-keep-the-decentral.html
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KevinMarks1
it was very good, but I was too sleepy to take good notes
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aaronpk
oh ha he just embedded the youtube player at the specific time offset of his talk
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KevinMarks1
thats allowed
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gregorlove.com
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KevinMarks1
now I want do it as a webtorrent
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@iwontsignuphere
guys, day 2 of the #indieweb summit gallery is online now! <3 https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157666820775883
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miklb
well crud. I sent a webmention to bridgy for my note, but since the URL isn't on the post, it won't accept it.
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miklb
the goal posts. They move :)
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aaronpk
yep that's the "webmention" part of bridgy publislh
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miklb
I think I can slip the link in html though. That wasn't a problem, it was getting Jekyll to use it for sending
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miklb
aaronpk I thought I just had to send a link of the post as webmention. Now I know
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Building the First Amendment Into the Web and Other Hopes for the Internet’s Future" http://www.newsweek.com/building-first-amendment-web-and-other-hopes-internets-future-468597
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gRegorLove
Re: the accessibility talk this past weekend, is there a preferred/best practice way for marking up a caption for a photo?
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[benatwork]
Pretty excited by those sponsored topics
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gRegorLove
figure and figcaption elements, seems like?
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[benatwork]
“The main purpose of the web, as we know it, is to sell ads”
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[benatwork]
Also, indieweb made Newsweek! Good job, everyone
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aaronpk
only slightly misquoted!
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aaronpk
not bad for a major publication
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[benatwork]
minor miracle frankly
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[benatwork]
also I’m totally interested in dental implants for seniors, so good job, ads team
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[benatwork]
but in all seriousness, it’s awesome that they’re covering this
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[benatwork]
also, rereading, apparently tantek wrote known, but whatever :wink:
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aaronpk
that's what I was talking about ;-)
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tantek
oh dear no
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aaronpk
not explicitly, but implied
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tantek
where is this?
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rhiaro
10x as many people are running your code, tantek
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tantek
checking now
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rhiaro
congrats :p
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tantek
😂
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aaronpk
i'm assuming this is the same reason that multiple people tend to get rolled into one when a true story gets adapted for a movie
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[benatwork]
true story: according to almost all of our news coverage, Elgg was written by the University of Brighton
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[benatwork]
I’m super-glad journalists care about facts so much in an election year
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tantek
dming journo now
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tantek
can someone just tell me what to fix?
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[benatwork]
to be clear: I’m laughing and don’t actually care
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[benatwork]
I would suggest changing this:
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[benatwork]
He said there are 10 times as many people running his code this year as last
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[benatwork]
to this:
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[benatwork]
He said there are 10 times as many people running indieweb code this year as last
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miklb
stage 1 of micropub -> bridgy POSSE complete. Thank you everyone for your help and putting up with my droning on about it
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aaronpk
woo hoo congrats!
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tantek
benatwork, thank you that was the phrase I just found that irked me too
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tantek
dm sent
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tantek
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 114 karma
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[benatwork]
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 296 karma
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[benatwork]
newsweek++
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Loqi
newsweek has 1 karma
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miklb
aaronpk thanks!
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@misuba
I'll repeat something I've asked #indieweb: what might we gain from moving from "you own your data" to "we own our data"? #DWebSummit
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[kylewm]
suspect you haven’t gotten an answer because your question is vague as hell
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[kylewm]
ahem, sorry that wasn’t really appropriate
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[shaners]
I don’t think there’s an improvement in moving from first person singular to first person plural.
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tantek
FIXED
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tantek
reload
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[benatwork]
wow, that was fast
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[shaners]
Who is the “we”? Do “we” own a shared repository of “our” collective data? Or do “we” *each* own *our* respective data?
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[benatwork]
I think mike’s question is about whether cooperatives / community ownership might be more scaleable than individual ownership
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[benatwork]
yeah
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[benatwork]
I think it’s a valid question
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tantek
shaners, context?
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[benatwork]
From my spotty attendance of the live feed I feel like it was partially addressed at the event, too
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[shaners]
Loqi’s last tweet
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[shaners]
“You” can still refer to a collective / coop, bc English doesn’t have a second person plural different from the second person singular.
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tantek
shaners - I don't really understand the tweet, seems mostly like a theoretical question disconnected from anything real
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[shaners]
You all (y’all) own y’all’s data™
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[kylewm]
s/theoretical/nonsensical
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[benatwork]
I’m not sure I completely agree - collective ownership / co-operative running are ideas that work in the real world. But thinking about how that might be represented in code is breaking my brain a bit.
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[benatwork]
(spot the socialist)
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aaronpk
I totally agree that community owned things are useful too. We have a community wiki for example.
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aaronpk
I just don't think that's expressed very well in his tweet or in how he's asked about it in the past
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KartikPrabhu
[benatwork]: no need to get political is there? ;)
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KartikPrabhu
i still don't understand what the "you" v/s "we" question is?
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KartikPrabhu
is it like "personal blog" v/s "group blog" ?
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aaronpk
Also "we own our data" and "you own your data" are not mutually exclusive
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KartikPrabhu
sound the same to me
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[benatwork]
also that
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gRegorLove
Yeah, the question seems predicated on latching onto a narrow meaning of one phrase.
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KartikPrabhu
given as [shaners] said that "you" can be plural in English
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[kylewm]
considering responding with a meme of the queen saying “We own our data"
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[benatwork]
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 337 karma
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gRegorLove
Note the homepage says "Your content is yours" not "You own your data"
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[shaners]
There’s also ambiguity of we and our. Like, did I get to have a choice in being including in your concept of “our”? Are you owning my data with my consent? Can I freely leave the we? If I do, does my piece of the our come with me or stay behind or both?
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[shaners]
In short, I think it’s messy.
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[shaners]
"Your content is yours” (as gregorlove points to) is direct and unambiguous (or at least, less ambiguous) which I like.
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aaronpk
Someone should just reply with a link to this part of the logs
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miklb
would make for a great blog post :-P
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aaronpk
shows we're thinking about it ;-)
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gRegorLove
Kinda related: We talked about shared hosting at the summit, and the possibility of someone managing a server and spinning up instances of blogs for a group/community, to make that whole process easier.
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[kylewm]
I still like that concept… if the people on the shared server are real-life-friends and there is some concept of sharing the cost
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aaronpk
Totally
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aaronpk
i used to host journals for friends. Wasn't open for general signup but I would make accounts for people I knew
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@kevinmarks
“IndieWeb helps produce software that lets people use the web how they want & keep their information to themselves.” http://www.newsweek.com/building-first-amendment-web-and-other-hopes-internets-future-468597
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[benatwork]
I’ve run a server for my friends for the last decade or so. It’s where werd.io and my other personal experiments are stored. But it also hosted, among other things, a web community, a Stop Boris Johnson website, and maybe 15 or so blogs.
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[benatwork]
It’s a perfectly reasonable model.
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[benatwork]
(They don’t pay me. But one of my friends sysadmins for me, which is nice, because server administration and me are like china shops and bulls.)
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tantek
was away for a while
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tantek
re: that @misuba question
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@indiewebcamp
@misuba good question. Bring it up at the next Homebrew Website Club PDX for a good discussion! http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc ^@t
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@kevinmarks
#DWebSummit @kevinmarks: have you looked at using webmention to tell sites that they have been annotated?
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@kevinmarks
#DWebSummit @dwhly: we have and we're very excited by webmention - we'd love to get more done with it
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[techlifeweb]
Here's Vint Cerf's talk from Decentralized Web Summit. I intend to break out the other talks later. http://techlifeweb.com/vint-cerf-a-web-that-archives-itself-keynote-decentralized-web-summit-2016/
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Loqi
[Scott Kingery] Vint Cerf – A Web that Archives Itself – Keynote Decentralized Web Summit 2016
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@ChrisAldrich
@kevinmarks @dwhly I mentioned webmention to them a few months back during the @genius "scandal" in hopes of implementation #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@kevinmarks @dwhly I mentioned webmention to them a few months back during the @genius "scandal" in hopes of implementation #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/kevinmarks-dwhly-i-mentioned-webmention-to-them-a-few-months
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[kylewm]
benwerd: I’m open to different definitions of sharing the costs :slightly_smiling_face:
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club (+30) "/* Where */ special location this week"
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tantek
there you go
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tantek
and the answer works again too, because the /next-hwc link is preserved in the old tweet as a redirect, and thus redirects to the next most current HWC :D
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@misuba
@indiewebcamp it's still an open-ended question intended to inspire fruitful head-scratching, yeah. haven't been able to get to HWCs lately
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tantek.com
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@misuba
@indiewebcamp (I would also have accepted British-royalty memes, while we're all creepin' on each other)
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@misuba
@indiewebcamp I wanted to ask it of the blockchainers because it feels even more head-twisty and maybe fruitful in that field
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tantek.com
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[kylewm]
tantek: have you been to Under the Dome since Boulange closed? still an acceptable place for a handful of people to meet