#indiewebcamp 2016-06-14

2016-06-14 UTC
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navyforce what is the best way to learn coding or which books are the best to read
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best way to learn coding or which books are the best to read" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10NF
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navyforce why is this chat room soooo boring ???
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GWG navyforce: You've been here 3 minutes.
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navyforce 3 minutes of nothing
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GWG What were you expecting? Chat rooms are not always hopping
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[benatwork] navyforce: if you’re looking to learn coding, check out Codeacademy’s intro to Javascript
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[benatwork] That’s a pretty good way to get some of the fundamentals, without having to download software, buy books etc
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[benatwork] Also, the reason why it’s very quiet in here is that most people are either asleep or just finishing work
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[benatwork] Which means they don’t have much time for IRC
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GWG The best way to code is also to code...I know that seems an annoying answer...but make something...even something simple.
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[benatwork] right. the trick is knowing where to (1) get started and (2) look when you get stuck
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[kylewm] GWG++
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[kylewm] benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 115 karma
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Loqi GWG has 168 karma
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[kylewm] we should have like a karma feed on the site somewhere “GWG was karmaed for helpful suggestions"
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Loqi yea
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GWG [kylewm]: kylewm was karmaed for karma suggestions
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aaronpk oh man don't tempt me
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aaronpk added to the backlog
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navyforce oh thanks guys that's really helpful but which books would you recommend
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aaronpk i learned to program reading the BASIC reference manual, as well as intro to PHP books, but i'm not sure i would recommend those
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aaronpk [benatwork]'s suggestion of codeacademy is good
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gRegorLove There's also "Learn ____ the hard way" available in HTML or in printed form, like "Learn Python the Hard Way"
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gRegorLove I've not dived deep into those, but have heard good things
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navyforce thanks
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[kevinmarks] Also "how to Think like a computer scientist" is good, will teach you python and is online for free.
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[kevinmarks] That said, starting with html and javascript may make more sense - it depends on what you want to learn to code.
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aaronpk navyforce: do you have a personal website yet?
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rhiaro Thinking about switching to dreamhost... unlimited storage for $8/mo is pretty appealing right now. (where 'right now' is 'I am deleting things cos I ran out of space on my hosting')... but stuck at the first hurdle. Free domain name. What do I pick??
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rhiaro This would be a great time to start one of those hilarious yes/no websites where the domain is a question
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rhiaro Ideas?
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aaronpk lol!
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aaronpk i'm a fan of dreamhost
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aaronpk whereisrhiaro?
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aaronpk (.com)
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aaronpk isrhiaroeatingrightnow.com
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rhiaro isrhiarocoukdown.com
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aaronpk it would be a cron job that looks for microformats on your recent posts and would say "NO" when the pages are empty like right now
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rhiaro yup.
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rhiaro refresh a few times
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rhiaro uh anything before yesterday afternoon
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rhiaro they come back up eventually. That's.. .a different problem
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rhiaro My database is holding nightly drunken frat parties
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[shaners] rhiaro: AmyGuyPhD.com
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rhiaro I use dr.amy.gy for that
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rhiaro ^^
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aaronpk amyguyeatsmorevegetablesthanyou.com
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rhiaro Thanks for the reminder aaronpk, I need to backpost all the food that got lost over the last day
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[shaners] justsomedoctorguy.com
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rhiaro I'll be hungry until I do
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aaronpk shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 43 karma
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[shaners] Gosh. This internet chat room is sooo boring! :stuck_out_tongue:
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KartikPrabhu !tell [chrisaldrich] I resent a webmention to your post from https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-webmention-books but got a 400 saying " "error": "Could not find WordPress.com account for boffosocko.com. Is it registered with Bridgy?""
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek It's been just over a year since I started automatically sending webmentions (and falling back to pingbacks) http://tantek.com/2015/163/t2/webmention-sending-pingbacks-federated-indieweb
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Loqi tantek: [shaners] left you a message 1 day, 5 hours ago: I’ll make them in whatever order you/other submit them as issues on the GH repo :wink: https://github.com/indieweb/branding/issues http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-12/line/1465773699650
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 10 hours, 3 minutes ago: You should watch the Apple WWDC keynote about the changes to photos and phone apps, it looks like they're doing a lot of things that look like your people-centric comms and organizing photos better like we've talked about http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-13/line/1465842344618
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Yesterday: automatic reply webmentions sending. (my first indieweb reply to do so was tantek.com/2015/162/t2/indieweb-ui-ux-sketch-build)
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@VSChawathe @indiewebcamp Another big name backed silo fell without noticeability. https://www-304.ibm.com/connections/static/sunset_static.html (twitter.com/_/status/742588918135193600)
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tantek "We have completed our Journey to the Cloud." - wow
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tantek redirects there from ibm.com/connections
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tantek dwebsummit group photo: https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/741832908323708929 (good day to wear a safety orange jacket apparently :) )
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@internetarchive Okay who's hosting the next #DwebSummit? There's so much more to talk about... [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/741832908323708929)
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aaronpk ibm omg amazing
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aaronpk tantek: https://soundcloud.com/aaronpk/ibm-journey-to-the-cloud
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tantek aaronpk: wat. after that track soundcloud auto-played this: https://soundcloud.com/eightmedia/hammerhammerhammer
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colintedford haha, that threw me for a loop, too
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Loqi awesome
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tantek so to speak :P ("loop")
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colintedford :)
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tantek wow another site-death: https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56 via https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/742420733549121536
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@kevinmarks “…even if we make all the…changes…to continue supporting these networks…they…just change their APIs again” https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56#.5bdwam7yy #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742420733549121536)
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tantek what is ThinkUp?
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Loqi ThinkUp is a silo that analyzes activity on social networks like Facebook and Twitter https://indiewebcamp.com/ThinkUp
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Loqi [indieweb] "Considering switching Twitter & Instagram to public during conferences for hashtagged discussions, connecting with people I meet.
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[kevinmarks] I'm sure I have lots more typos for tantek
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Loqi [indieweb] "Building a DSL for the indieweb - Not Enough Neon" by Kevin Marks http://notenoughneon.com/2016/6/13/building-a-dsl-for-the-indieweb
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sknebel ^ Why is Loqi saying "by Kevin Marks" but linking to emmas site? was it parsing http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/building-a-dsl-for-the-indieweb---not-enough-neon and expanded the bookmark or parsed http://notenoughneon.com/2016/6/13/building-a-dsl-for-the-indieweb wrongly?
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Kevin Marks
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Loqi [Emma Kuo] Building a DSL for the indieweb
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miklb aaronpk I was fixing some config on my end with the webmention.io plugin and now getting a connection reset by peer SSL_connect error. Any thoughts what I might have wrong on my end. This is being done locally, not on domain server
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miklb Jekyll^
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petermolnar morning
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rMdes_ morning..
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rMdes_ anyone ever had to move from Google apps to self-hosted ?
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rMdes_ what a nightmare https://www.rmendes.net/2016/the-corporate-web-is-a-jail-googleapps-jail-closedweb-nonportability
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Loqi [Rick Mendes] The Corporate Web is a Jail #googleapps #jail #closedweb #nonportability
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petermolnar rMdes_ I moved from Google Contacts a long time ago; it took me weeks to get everything right
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rMdes_ so frustrating
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rMdes_ i would gladly destroy the whole inbox, but I have another user that I can't forget
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rMdes_ she is using this inbox as her main work-inbox
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rMdes_ and if I destroy it, I loose all my paid android apps, or at least I have to contact each dev and ask them to migrate my paid apps to another google ID
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rMdes_ so i have to move her to her own "organisation" using google apps, perhaps even upgrade to "work or education" before I can move her
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rMdes_ it's completely counter-productive, no, in fact it's designed to stay in jail
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petermolnar of course it is
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cweiske silos gonna silo
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rMdes_ i'm delaying doing this since well...i dunno, just thinking about it is annoying
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rMdes_ we should have the right to move and take our data easier. tipically the things I would Like if Europe would chime in and force Google to apply a minimum of real portability of user data
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cweiske seeing the buy-outs and all the data breaches gives me the feeling that my self-host-everything approach was worth it
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Loqi definitely
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petermolnar cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 47 karma
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petermolnar although I'm still not happy that I do depend on companies for my domain name
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petermolnar and the only 2 viable alternatives are tor node ids and .bit
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rMdes_ i'm moving to self-hosted approach to anything New i'm doing since 2014 but, there is always these old stuff on my trail from the time I used to choose easy over self-hosted
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ben_thatmustbeme Good morning #indiewebcamp
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petermolnar rMdes_ what else is there apart from Gmail, if I may ask? Having been there - migrating off from services - I might be able to give some tips
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hello from #MozLondon!
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rMdes_ petermolnar, 2 users, nothing beside gmail & contact & paid android apps on 1 of the google apps user.
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rMdes_ brb
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ben_thatmustbeme So stoked that the gnu social webmention plugin works. Next step is getting friendica and diaspora to support it. That would be huge
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ben_thatmustbeme Morning tantek
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tantek still is morning here actually
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tantek !tell tommorris you in town? any interest in doing a Homebrew Website Club London on Wednesday (tomorrow) night, preferably near Paddington / Metropole?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@RikMende My #indieweb mobile dashboard #lovingit https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/742668039338872832/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/742668039338872832)
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Loqi [indieweb] "My #indieweb mobile dashboard #lovingit" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/my-indieweb-mobile-dashboard-lovingit
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@t @JimPurbrick trying to arrange a Homebrew Website Club London meetup Wed nt. Chat on #indiewebcamp Freenode or ... http://tantek.com/2016/166/t3/arrange-homebrew-website-club-london (twitter.com/_/status/742669729702121472)
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tantek yeah with my Twitter public again you might be seeing extra copies. apologies.
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tommorris tantek: for places for a HWC around Paddington - perhaps Grand Union bar at Paddington Basin. Their website says they have bookable private rooms.
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Loqi tommorris: gRegorLove left you a message on 5/31 at 3:38pm: Do you know the (approximate) date you added /blogroll to your site? Could you update your entry on /blogroll#IndieWeb_Examples with that? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-31/line/1464734299045
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message 9 minutes ago: you in town? any interest in doing a Homebrew Website Club London on Wednesday (tomorrow) night, preferably near Paddington / Metropole? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-14/line/1465900784756
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tantek tommorris - sounds good!
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tommorris tantek: alternatively, places around Bishops Bridge Road are close to the Paddington Metropole. A lot of them are busy during the day with people working, but are quiet in the afternoon. there's also Little Venice a short walk from there.
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tantek what's the minimum to book the room? Does 18:30 work as a time?
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tommorris dunno about minimum to book room
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tommorris 18:30 is a bit of a stretch for me (finish work at 6)
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tantek 19:00 ?
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tommorris 1900 is better. also Paddington tube is a mess right now
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tantek I recall timings working differently in London than SF etc.
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tantek ok let's say 19:00
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tommorris a lot of people do 10:00-18:00
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tantek tommorris: great
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tommorris ooh, that's a good suggestion too
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tommorris tantek: Calum suggested 18:00-19:30 in St Martin's Lane (near Mozilla London office).
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tantek tommorris: I think I can make that work too - assuming I can navigate myself via tube from Paddington
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tommorris tantek: citymapper. ;-)
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tantek ok :)
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tantek calumryan++ for proposing HWC London!
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Loqi calumryan has 3 karma
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tantek https://www.hubhotels.co.uk/london/covent-garden.html is js;dr :/
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pfefferle good morning
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ouffa pfefferle: hello
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petermolnar I'd love to attend to London, but Paddington is ~2hours from me in; 4 hours travel would mean I can't even stay for an hour :(
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tantek good morning pfefferle!
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tantek sorry to miss you petermolnar - that does sound impractical
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petermolnar I'm still thinking about it
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GWG Morning
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tantek morning GWG
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GWG Seems to be active here this morning
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tantek hey calumryan !
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tantek is the location and time for HWC London a for sure thing?
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calumryan hi tantek
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tantek hmm
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calumryan yes it is
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tantek great!
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calumryan hadn’t realised you’re in town!, just planning it as a trial to see if there’s interest
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tantek looks like there will be at least me and Tommorris!
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tantek I'll try to rally some more folks too
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calumryan great! regarding the venue there’s more space towards the back (past the counter and to the left!)
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GWG petermolnar: About your suggestion re Bridgy Publish...do you have detection to prevent both plugins installed at once?
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@hvdsomp Webmention! https://twitter.com/azaroth42/status/742678887218438144 (twitter.com/_/status/742698442275725312)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Sollte ich dieses Blog zu einem Jekyll-Blog machen?" by Dominic Grzbielok http://www.krautsource.info/sollte-ich-dieses-blog-zu-einem-jekyll-blog-machen/
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petermolnar GWG I have a skip things if send_webmention function exists in my own
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petermolnar as far as I remember
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@azaroth42 @hvdsomp It would be so easy with webmention and linked data: source = triple subject ; target = object. Hook in store to auto send. #or2016 (twitter.com/_/status/742705537528299520)
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pfefferle GWG have you seen my dev-branch for the face-piles in semantic linkbacks?
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@jgmac1106 @aaronpk @kevinmarks @benwerd Can a network ever emerge where APIs can be trusted? community owned? Would it ever have traction? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742724010639777792)
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Loqi [indieweb] "SF Homebrew Website Club" https://kylewm.com/2016/06/jun-29-sf-homebrew-website-club
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tantek hello adactio!
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tantek are you hosting a HWC tomorrow night? If not, CalumRyan has organized a HWC London popup!
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petermolnar hey adactio, any new in iwc brighton by any chance?
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adactio Alas, no Indie Web Camp Brighton this week (I'm going to Amsterdam tomorrow).
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 6/9 at 9:19am: could you confirm your location for next week's HWC and create an Indie Event (and FB POSSE copy) for it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489183059
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adactio I mean Homebrew Website Club.
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petermolnar s/new in/news on
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: hey adactio, any news on iwc brighton by any chance?
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petermolnar sorry, my communication levels are low today
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adactio My tentative plan is to have an Indie Web Camp in Brighton in mid to late August.
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petermolnar oh. I was hoping for July. Although if it's not the very last weekend of Aug., I can probably make it
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tantek adactio - thought IWC Brighton thinking was sSeptember - did that change?
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adactio petermolnar: It definitely won't be the last weekend of August.
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adactio tantek: I thought the plan was for August: isn't that when you'll be in Portugal?
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tantek No, Portugal TPAC has always been September
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tantek adactio, also a lot of folks have given input on the /Planning page
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#Brighton_UK
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adactio Okay. End of September could work for me too. Although the first three weeks of September are looking busy for me: https://adactio.com/about/speaking/
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adactio It's looking like the weekend of September 24th/25th would work nicely for Indie Web Camp Brighton.
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tantek quite the schedule adactio !
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@pypi_updates2 django-indieweb 0.0.4: includes indieauth and a micropub endpoint https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb/0.0.4 (twitter.com/_/status/742745165253738496)
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Loqi [indieweb] "django-indieweb 0.0.4" http://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb/0.0.4
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tantek !tell tommorris,calumryan Are you able to post /event posts on your site? Perhaps post an indie event for HWC London popup and maybe even a FB POSSE copy? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#London-popup
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm what makes it a popup?
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aaronpk presumably because it's not scheduled to happen regularly
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tantek that ^^^
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tantek also to set expectations, that it's not intended as "starting up so you can just come every two weeks" (or even every month)
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aaronpk does bridgy publish support person tags to twitter?
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tantek no not yet
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tantek Twitter does not support person tags in their API
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk snarfed: can you add a note about that here? https://brid.gy/about#publish-types
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calumryan tantek if London does become regular then will certainly look to get that implemented regarding event posts
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Loqi calumryan: tantek left you a message 14 minutes ago: Are you able to post /event posts on your site? Perhaps post an indie event for HWC London popup and maybe even a FB POSSE copy? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#London-popup http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-14/line/1465919380356
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tantek calumryan fair enough :)
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calumryan I’m in San Francisco at time when Brighton IWC is proposed :(
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell singpolyma have you created a pull request for gnu-social fixes you did yet?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning all
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: KartikPrabhu left you a message 12 hours, 50 minutes ago: I resent a webmention to your post from https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-webmention-books but got a 400 saying " "error": "Could not find WordPress.com account for boffosocko.com. Is it registered with Bridgy?"" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-13/line/1465875633102
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[chrisaldrich] !tell KartikPrabhu boffosocko.com is self-hosted and isn't on WordPress.com, so doesn't use Bridgy that way. It looks like I received the webmention however. (Note that my comments are also moderated, so they don't show up automatically.)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] !tell GWG,petermolnar When you have a moment, could you help me pile-on to this microformats2 issue on the WordPress TwentySixteen Theme? https://github.com/WordPress/twentysixteen/issues/470#issuecomment-225282967 Apparently there's a ways to go toward educating people about semantic markup...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk sure would be nice to get proper microformats2 support into wordpress twenty-sixteen
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk: It'd be great to get mf2 into WordPress entirely... the ship may have sailed for 2016, but I think we should all pound on them for twenty-seventeen
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aaronpk with enough other sites consuming microformats2 it should be easier to justify
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[chrisaldrich] It also goes a long way toward indewebifying a large chunk of the web more easily too
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rMdes_ I thought having mf2 into wordpress was mostly about installing a plugin, it isn't ?
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aaronpk it really should just be part of the main default theme
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rMdes_ hmm ok
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aaronpk but plugins are good too
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rMdes_ I wanted to ask the Avada team to include it by default (most downloaded paid wordpress theme ever)
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aaronpk cool!
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[bwaldron] Does IndieWeb have a champion at Automattic?
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[chrisaldrich] I think that if they'd just add a search box for microformats2 in their theme search interface, that could also push lots of developers to add it as well; it'd certainly be more useful than their "seasonal" checkbox :slightly_smiling_face:
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[chrisaldrich] rMdes_ installing the WordPress uf2 plugin helps, but there's only so far one can go with injecting code the way it does. It also breaks some themes (eg. Twenty-Fourteen) which imprudently use microformats for styling rather than semantic markup
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rMdes_ thanks for the tip
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rMdes_ anyway I can test if my WP mf2 is correctly in place ?
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rMdes_ I'm testing it at www.euwatch.eu
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rMdes_ that site is using the uf2 plugin + the indieweb pack + Avada theme
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[chrisaldrich] Having more themes compatible with indieweb principles is going to be key to onboarding more users in Gen 2 and 3
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rMdes_ Amen to that !
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[chrisaldrich] oops.. late for a meeting back in a while. rMdes_ keep at Avada!
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rMdes_ i'll try to get them, I have some of their staff as contact
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rMdes_ I'll try to push it over there but no garantee, it's just one of the most used template for wp out there, can't hurt to support it :)
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rMdes_ do we have a ressource page just for microformats & wordpress ?
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rMdes_ so i can send them to that page directly
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rMdes_ i guess microformats.org/wiki/wordpress-plugins is good place to start
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gRegorLove rMdes_: /wordpress#Adding_Indieweb_Support.2FElements_to_a_WordPress_Site which leads to /Getting_Started_on_WordPress
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gRegorLove Updates welcome, I'm sure.
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GWG Back
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Loqi GWG: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 1 hour, 50 minutes ago: When you have a moment, could you help me pile-on to this microformats2 issue on the WordPress TwentySixteen Theme? https://github.com/WordPress/twentysixteen/issues/470#issuecomment-225282967 Apparently there's a ways to go toward educating people about semantic markup... http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-14/line/1465922852597
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GWG Pfefferle, I did. I need to try it out more. Did you see my big PR?
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GWG chrisaldrich, will do.
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GWG The uf2 plugin needs an update. Maybe I'll take a crack at it.
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@gRegorLove @ProfessorDino Alive and well and in-use by a lot of the indieweb community. Wiki and IRC are the primary community channels. (twitter.com/_/status/742793713139646465)
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@kevinmarks @ProfessorDino @indiewebcamp takes @microformats as a given and adds useful minimal protocols like webmention and micropub (twitter.com/_/status/742801809626959873)
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@aaronpk @ProfessorDino No blog posts lately, but plenty of wiki activity! http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges Lots of use in #indiewebcamp too! (twitter.com/_/status/742804492329058304)
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@dotmacro @taoeffect For those using POSSE, @Medium is a popular silo. Aids discovery, grows reader base? http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/742818874781896704)
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@taoeffect .@dotmacro Cool #POSSE link! 👉 http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE Still think it's silly to use as a *primary* platform. Learned my lesson w/@posterous (twitter.com/_/status/742820591820931076)
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werd.io edited /POSSE (+249) "/* Medium */" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich The end of ThinkUp announced by @anildash https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56#.yzlu4z79b #indieweb #sitedeath (twitter.com/_/status/742822240752795648)
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Loqi [indieweb] "The end of ThinkUp announced by @anildash https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56#.yzlu4z79b #indieweb #sitedeath" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/the-end-of-thinkup-announced-by-anildash-anildashthe-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56yzlu4z79b-indieweb-sitedeath
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davidpeach hi guys
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davidpeach how are we all doing
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davidpeach I was thinking of changing my URL structure and wondered if I could sound it out against you guys?
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KevinMarks_ sure - aaron just did thta so he can tell you how its hard
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davidpeach hah
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davidpeach well at the moment i have /articles/7874 or /notes/475 etc
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davidpeach but im thinking of using the post published at dates to make a /year/month/day/hh/mm/ss structure, with each part of the url essentially filtering the posts
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davidpeach so when it gets to seconds, its the single post
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davidpeach irrespective of its "type"
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KevinMarks_ rather than hh/mm/ss you could do a number per day there
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KevinMarks_ as day is a more naturla unit of 'show all' than hour etc
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KevinMarks_ or you could encode time in newbase60 (I think tantek does that)
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KevinMarks_ so you get a 3 character slug for time
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davidpeach ahh okay
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davidpeach newbase60 looks complictaed
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gRegorLove There should be implementations of newbase60 you can copy in various languages
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davidpeach but yer ill have a think. thanks for advice
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gRegorLove It's in Cassis, so JS and PHP there.
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gRegorLove What is Cassis?
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Loqi CASSIS, short for Client And Server Scripting Implementation Subset, is an intersection of the syntaxes of Javascript and PHP, as well as an open source library, cassis.js, that enables writing code once, and having it natively execute in both JS and PHP https://indiewebcamp.com/CASSIS
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aaronpk davidpeach: I definitely recommend avoiding the post type as the first part of the URL. that's the pattern I switched away from.
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KevinMarks_ whats your backend in?
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aaronpk I use /year/month/day/index now (index is an integer counting up from 1)
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aaronpk I didn't want to deal with potential conflicts of posts in the same second, so an index that just counts up is easier
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KevinMarks_ newbase60 is pretty esy in python: https://github.com/indieweb/newBase60py/blob/master/newbase60.py
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aaronpk the tradeoff is my URLs can be "out of order" if I backdate a post like when posts are imported from other sources
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KevinMarks_ I suppose there is a timezone issue too
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aaronpk yes but that's also an issue for just the date
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aaronpk e.g. when you post after 5pm pacific time it's actually the next day in GMT, so you have to make a decision about how you want to handle that
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KevinMarks_ right,
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aaronpk i'm pretty happy with the way I do it now. each post has its own timezone and the date in the URL is in that timezone
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davidpeach mine is build with Laravel
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KevinMarks_ and you maintain index separately?
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davidpeach im also moving away from post type as first part
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davidpeach built*
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aaronpk mine is laravel too!
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davidpeach nice
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davidpeach mine has got a bit messy and been tidying it up
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davidpeach the next step is re-writing the url structure and setting up redirects
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aaronpk heh yeah. i had to write some route matching for old URL structures
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aaronpk i try to convert those to flat lists of redirects (kind of like in an .htaccess file) but sometimes it has to be dynamic
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davidpeach I really like the idea of using the complete publish date as a way of "digging down" into posts ,ultimately getting the a single post per second. With option of adding manual slugs where wanted
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gRegorLove Related: I was thinking of using NewBase60 of microtime() (PHP) to generate uids for my posts.
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gRegorLove I didn't want to get into counting the number of posts on a specific day
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davidpeach yer I'll prob just parse url for post id then build the new url from pub date, 301 redirecting to it in code
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aaronpk i'd recommend microtime() vs just time() since it's theoretically possible you might end up with multiple posts in the same second
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gRegorLove Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
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davidpeach ahh oki so /year/month/day/microtime
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davidpeach ?
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aaronpk the problem isn't so much that you might actually be creating posts that fast, but if you are importing posts from many data sources (importing last.fm scrobbles while also importing runkeeper, etc) then you might end up with round numbers that conflict
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gRegorLove Oh, no. Sorry, your discussion just made me think of that for my site. Not a suggestion for you.
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aaronpk i didn't want to deal with how to resolve two posts wanting to be created at /2016/05/20/120000
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davidpeach ha good point
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gRegorLove I'm thinking of setting up the path /uid/xxxxxx/ as a uid link for each post, with 302 redirect to the human-readable URL
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aaronpk so it was easier to say "what's the largest post number on this day" and increment by one
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KartikPrabhu nth post ? doesn't tantek do that?
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 6 hours, 5 minutes ago: boffosocko.com is self-hosted and isn't on WordPress.com, so doesn't use Bridgy that way. It looks like I received the webmention however. (Note that my comments are also moderated, so they don't show up automatically.) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-14/line/1465922340449
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aaronpk yes tantek's URLs are based on nth post per day
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davidpeach t4, t5 etc. i see
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aaronpk gRegorLove: that's not a bad idea. i assume the idea is the uid would never change even if the human readable URL changed?
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gRegorLove Correct. A halfway-solution to the fragility of URL slugs, even if I've rarely changed mine.
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gRegorLove And also deleted posts.
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aaronpk how many newbase60 chars do you need to get to microsecond precision?
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KartikPrabhu Loqi, compute!
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Loqi woot!
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gRegorLove davidpeach: I think tantek has/is reconsidering the post type ("t") in those slugs, just FYI
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tantek yeah
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tantek all my notes, replies, RSVPs, photos, videos are all "t" posts
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Not sure. The pin13.net parser doesn't like the microseconds, puts an "undefined" at the end, heh
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aaronpk well yeah it says decimal not floating point ;)
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gRegorLove Details!
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davidpeach right im off to bed - its nearly midnight here
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davidpeach thanks for all advice guys. Speak soon.
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gRegorLove G'night
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[kevinmarks] 2 more NewBase60 digits will get you microseconds
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[kevinmarks] 60*60 =3600
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Loqi !calc 60*60 =3600
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aaronpk microseconds goes up to 999999 in decimal
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[kevinmarks] Oh, sorry that's milliseconds
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aaronpk i think you need 4 newbase60 digits for that
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[kevinmarks] 60^4
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Loqi !calc 60^4
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[kevinmarks] Hm, so loqi doesn't actually calculate?
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KartikPrabhu loqi, 4*5
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aaronpk he used to with an unofficial google search api but that stopped working a while ago when the scraping broke
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Loqi woot!
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KevinMarks You could call wolfram alpha, they have a free tier
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[kylewm] priorities :stuck_out_tongue:
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KevinMarks Which would be amusing as it would suddenly handle integrals and crazy things
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[benatwork] then loqi could tell you the GDP of Bhutan
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[benatwork] always a valuable query
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aaronpk there's a bot like that in the portland tech IRC channel
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aaronpk it's super useful actually :P
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aaronpk when I finish rewriting Loqi I will do that
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Loqi yo
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GWG When does knowing the GDP of Bhutan come in handy?
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aaronpk lol
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KevinMarks Wolfram alpha tells you helpful things about volumes like "that's about half a grey whale"
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KartikPrabhu what is wolfram alpha?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wolfram alpha" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10NG
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GWG I want to know why so many people can't remember the name of the currency of Poland.
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KartikPrabhu zloti?
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I usually spell it with a y, but did you know that, or looked it up, out of curiosity?
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KartikPrabhu i knew it, because I visited Poland some years back
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GWG But, what would we use wolfram alpha for except asking questions like that?
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KartikPrabhu maybe things like this: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=timezone+of+berlin
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GWG Ok
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KartikPrabhu alos: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=indiewebcamp.com