#indiewebcamp 2016-06-13

2016-06-13 UTC
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gRegorLove Er, micropub endoints, I guess is what I mean
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gRegorLove s/oints/points/
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: Er, micropub endpoints, I guess is what I mean
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GWG !tell wagle Broken, what?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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wagle GWG: gives syntax errors on the latest version installed, if you cant repeat, i'll fiure it up again
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Loqi wagle: GWG left you a message 2 minutes ago: Broken, what? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-12/line/1465776602947
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GWG wagle, can you send them to me?
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GWG I have been involved and didn't see them.
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GWG The plugin is in an update cycle to catch up with the specification, among other things.
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GWG Or file an issue on the github repository.
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aaronpk gRegorLove: it depends on whether you're trying to make a generic token endpoint like tokens.indieauth.com or whether your token and micropub endpoint are your own and don't need to interoperate with anything else
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wagle Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method Webmention_Plugin::init() should not be called statically in /var/www/html/wp/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 525
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wagle GWG ^^^
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GWG wagle, already sent a PR to Pfefferle about that.
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wagle hahaha. well thats what I was talking about
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gRegorLove I'm making this as a ProcessWire plugin, so I'd like the option for it to interoperate, so I'll follow the tokens.indieauth.com response
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aaronpk i mean if you're building a micropub endpoint and also a token endpoint into the same piece of software, there isn't really a reason to make it follow the tokens.indieauth.com format, since it will only ever be used internally
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aaronpk you don't need your micropub endpoint to use the token endpoint API to verify tokens if it can just look them up in a database or decode them directly
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GWG wagle, lots more coming to webmentions on WordPress
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wagle GWG cool!
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GWG If I have anything to say about it
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GWG A lot of it is under the hood though. Making it more robust for more users.
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GWG There are over 400 active installs of the plugin.
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ben_thatmustbeme Wow, That's a great start to see
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ben_thatmustbeme s/Start/stat
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GWG We can do better. That is why I want to push forward.
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GWG I want delete support. Content type checking. A single data retrieval. Amplification attack protection. Better moderation and spam controls...
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: trying to parse a few of the last items on my implementation report...
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ben_thatmustbeme The one about CSRF. How does accepting additional headers solve that?
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ben_thatmustbeme Just worded oddly
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[kevinmarks] More that accepting additional headers requires CSRF
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah I realized that when I went back to the spec.
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ben_thatmustbeme Could be worded more clearly that it "has CSRF protection when accepting additional headers"
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ben_thatmustbeme And that box isn't very informative as you don't know if it doesn't accept additional headers or doesn't protect against csrf
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@scottjenson @kevinmarks @nissyen Me? I'm in Palo Alto. When is the next bay area IndieWebCamp? (twitter.com/_/status/742194299501084672)
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@jimpick Just blogged about my awesome experience at the #IndieWeb Summit in Portland last weekend https://jimpick.com/2016/06/12/indieweb-summit-2016/ (twitter.com/_/status/742198530689769472)
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[jimpick] comments welcome!
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GWG [jimpick]: I like anything that includes a train
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[jimpick] @GWG Yay
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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prtksxna finally looks at all the photos from the summit :)
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@xtof_fr Des notes inspirantes pour concevoir un dîner #indieweb - décentralisation avant cet été. https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/742098180242690048 (twitter.com/_/status/742215499908579328)
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@nenindia The latest Entrepreneur Daily! http://paper.li/nenindia/1362373526?edition_id=7e43e020-3124-11e6-a32c-0cc47a0d164b #startups #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742221415110352896)
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colintedford.com edited /Loqi (+95) "/* Commands and Queries */ !tell" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /collection (+75) "/* Kyle Mahan */ markup" (view diff)
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pfefferle !tell GWG here are the changes for a simple facepile implementation https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/commit/1b69d55b67bef505024b792f092c0ed9aa58f060
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle good morning
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@justb3a building a progressive web app: don`t use IOS meta tags irresponsibly https://medium.com/@firt/dont-use-ios-web-app-meta-tag-irresponsibly-in-your-progressive-web-apps-85d70f4438cb#.7nsga37bh (https://justonestep.de/notes/20160613-0819/) #indieweb #pwa (twitter.com/_/status/742270468179263488)
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cweiske .
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j4y_funabashi morning
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j4y_funabashi ben_thatmustbeme: thanks, I use Silex for routing and web in/out stuff. But I am trying to build everything so they can be plugged in anywhere. so for example the main part of webmentions is here: https://github.com/j4y-funabashi/aruna/blob/master/app/src/DiscoverEndpoints.php
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j4y_funabashi also, all webmention.rocks discovery tests as unit tests: https://github.com/j4y-funabashi/aruna/blob/master/tests/unit/DiscoverEndpointsTest.php
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j4y_funabashi !tell shaners Thanks for the PR, you are my first :D
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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ben_thatmustbeme Good morning all
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ben_thatmustbeme pfefferle: I was curious if you tested the WordPress webmention plugin with webmention.rocks yet?
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pfefferle ben_thatmustbeme sure https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/76 :)
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pfefferle ben_thatmustbeme it passes the discovery tests, the updates and the receiver... I still have to test the "deletes"
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ben_thatmustbeme Nice!
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ben_thatmustbeme One it does, could you submit an implementation report? Its an important step to getting webmention or there
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ben_thatmustbeme W3c process-wize anyway
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j4y_funabashi ben_thatmustbeme: have you any examples of implementation reports? I can start writing one up for aruna
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j4y_funabashi but I dont really know where to start
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ben_thatmustbeme There's a form
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ben_thatmustbeme Hold on
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/tree/master/implementation-reports
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j4y_funabashi oh cool, thanks
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j4y_funabashi what is webmention
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Loqi Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention
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j4y_funabashi think I need to fix my markup, my name and photo is not showing up on https://webmention.rocks/test/1
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Discovery Test #1
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j4y_funabashi do I have to add author somewhere in the post? I have an hcard at the bottom of the page http://j4y.co/p/20160612232811_575de1fbc5ce3
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Loqi 2016-06-12
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ben_thatmustbeme Yes, you want an author hcard inside the hentry
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ben_thatmustbeme That's why I put the h-entry class on the body tag (when viewing a single post)
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j4y_funabashi ben_thatmustbeme: ahh ok, have you an example url?
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ben_thatmustbeme Ben.thatmustbe.me. Look at any of the posts linked there
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2016/6/10/4/
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] Hi Singpolyma
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sknebel j4y_funabashi: https://indiewebcamp.com/authorship that's the algorithm most things use
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j4y_funabashi ok great, thanks ben_thatmustbeme sknebel
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j4y_funabashi ben_thatmustbeme: how is mobilepub coming along? I have had the app installed for ages but could never get it to work so I am excited to see it reborn
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ben_thatmustbeme It's actually going much much better as a webapp
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ben_thatmustbeme ben.thatmustbe.me/mobilepub for the current version
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ben_thatmustbeme No photos etc yet, but the other parts seem to be much better already
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@RikMende List of all known @withknown plugins : http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/ #indieweb (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/list-of-all-known-withknown-plugins-enlatestpluginscommunity-indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/742304039832981505)
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j4y_funabashi huzzah! just fixed the bug I had for test 15 and now aruna passes all Discovery tests!
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j4y_funabashi ben_thatmustbeme: yeah photos is the bit I am most looking forward to
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ben_thatmustbeme It shouldn't take much. It's the sending them that's three difficult bit. If there is no CORS exception, I have to send the photos through my server
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pfefferle ben_thatmustbeme have seen it because of singpolymas pull request... will definitely write an implementation report if I tested the last missing tests...
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ben_thatmustbeme My laptop died and until our house gets sold I don't have the cash for a new one. I get most of my work done on the train so it's slower now to get anything done
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j4y_funabashi sorry dont really understand CORS
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pfefferle j4y_funabashi http://enable-cors.org/
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pfefferle j4y_funabashi http://enable-cors.org/server_php.html
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ben_thatmustbeme pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 18 karma
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pfefferle :)
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j4y_funabashi so the problem is that in order to perform the POST to my micropub endpoint, your js needs CORS enabled on my server?
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pfefferle yes, because it's running on a different domain
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ben_thatmustbeme Yes. Well it could in theory post but not know if it's successful. So as a round about way, I post instead to the mobilepub domain and then send everything to your server with curl
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ben_thatmustbeme I want to have it check for CORS and only post internally if it needs to
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j4y_funabashi why would you not know if it is successful? (sorry I know nothing about js)
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Zegnat JavaScript cannot request the contents of a page unless specifically allowed through CORS. That’s why myhacksite.com cannot request yourbank.com pages and see their contents. So if you want the contents on yourwebsite.com accessible by JavaScript that runs on mywebsite.com, you have to whitelist mywebsite.com. Or just whitelist everything.
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Zegnat If that makes sense, j4y_funabashi
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j4y_funabashi ok yes I think so, thanks Zegnat
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GWG Pfefferle, how is the next piece looking?
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Loqi GWG: pfefferle left you a message 3 hours, 9 minutes ago: here are the changes for a simple facepile implementation https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/commit/1b69d55b67bef505024b792f092c0ed9aa58f060 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-13/line/1465804736654
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j4y.co edited /Webmention (+294) "/* Implementations: Add aruna */" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "List of all known @withknown plugins : http://docs.withknown.com/en/latest/plugins/community/ #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/list-of-all-known-withknown-plugins-enlatestpluginscommunity-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "Repost of Ben Werdmüller's post on werd.io" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/repost-of-ben-werdm%C3%BCllers-post-on-werdio-5ed09a41a3
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Loqi [indieweb] "draft: Reasons to getting started @withKnown https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_with_Known #journalists" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/draft-reasons-to-getting-started-withknown-getting_started_with_known-journalists-everyone-else
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Loqi [indieweb] "Really fun the ability to add other custom types post to @withknown, just added Recipe, Journal and Reviews each post type have custom fields related" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/really-fun-the-ability-to-add-other-custom-types-post
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Loqi [indieweb] "I really have to fix my enforcing of TLS on this site, otherwise until I do some #bridgy links don't get sync #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/i-really-have-to-fix-my-enforcing-of-tls-on
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Loqi [indieweb] "wrote some note/ideas a few days ago on how/why to get #journalists/project/community-managers/everyone on #IndieWeb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/wrote-some-noteideas-a-few-days-ago-on-howwhy-to
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Loqi [indieweb] "@holden I have read it all before replying, but even before talking RSS (that I heavily use and in fact implement basic monitoring for clients" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/holden-i-have-read-it-all-before-replying-but-even
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Loqi [indieweb] "A un niveau personel, tout un chacun peut appliquer des notions de #platformcoop sur sa présence en ligne, notamment avec #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/a-un-niveau-personel-tout-un-chacun-peut-appliquer-des
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Loqi [indieweb] "could https://woodwind.xyz/ also have a "client" tab "Quill-like" to post new stuff from the reader? is that even a good idea ? #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/could-also-have-a-client-tab-quill-like-to-post-new
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Loqi [indieweb] "Repost of Ben Werdmüller's post on werd.io" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/repost-of-ben-werdm%C3%BCllers-post-on-werdio-5752032e67
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@pypi_updates2 django-indieweb 0.0.3: includes indieauth and a micropub endpoint https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb/0.0.3 (twitter.com/_/status/742347542768275457)
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Loqi [indieweb] "django-indieweb 0.0.3" http://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-indieweb/0.0.3
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@RikMende @Suitpossum join the open web: publish on your site, syndicate anywhere #indieweb @withknown and you can choose to never see that again :) (twitter.com/_/status/742350222383288320)
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petermolnar !tell GWG would it be possible, that instead of the webmention plugin, you look for the existence of 'send_webmention' function in bridgy publish? That way it could utilize other webmention plugins, like mine
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk good morning indiewebcamp!
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petermolnar morning
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j4y_funabashi hey aaronpk, thanks for writing webmention.rocks!
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aaronpk glad it's been helpful!
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: did you see my comment on the CSRF checkbox?
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ben_thatmustbeme it isn't really clear if you don't support other fields or you do, but don't protect against CSRF
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aaronpk do you have a suggestion for better wording of the line in the report?
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: I was thinking that test 12 should have a Link header with rel=not-webmention is to flush out implementations where the parsing code for Link headers is different from the code for anchors/links
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aaronpk ah yeah, that makes sense
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j4y_funabashi because parsing a header is kind of diff to parsing html in my implementation
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: also, I think that 16 and 20 look like they test the same thing?
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aaronpk not quite, 20 has a link tag with no href attribute
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petermolnar huh? https://blogs.microsoft.com/firehose/2016/06/13/microsoft-to-acquire-linkedin/
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aaronpk although that link tag should actually be moved before the <a> tag for it to be a better test
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j4y_funabashi they both seem to test that a valid anchor is chosen before a link
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petermolnar although I don't think any of us is syndicating to linkedin
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j4y_funabashi ahh ok so 20 is testing that you don't choose link tags with no href?
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aaronpk right
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j4y_funabashi cool, yeah that makes sense - but if you pass 16 then you would never consider the link tag in 20
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aaronpk the possible failures in that case are either treating the missing href as an empty string which results in resolving the relative URL to the page URL, or skipping sending altogether
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aaronpk yes that's why i should move the link tag to be before the a tag in #20
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j4y_funabashi cool
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j4y_funabashi will change the order in my unit test too
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j4y_funabashi ha, yep it fails if I change the order :(
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aaronpk oops heh
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aaronpk updated webmention.rocks
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j4y_funabashi so in that case are there two more tests? anchor tags and Link headers with missing href?
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j4y_funabashi but valid rel
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aaronpk technically yes, tho do you think that would actually be helpful?
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j4y_funabashi tbh, I dont know heh
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j4y_funabashi they are different cases of the same assertion that are present in the other test (rel/absolute href)
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j4y_funabashi s/test/tests/g
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Loqi j4y_funabashi meant to say: they are different cases of the same assertion that are present in the other tests (rel/absolute href)
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: re: suggested better wording. The receiver protects against CSRF or it does not accept additional parameters or headers (SHOULD)
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ben_thatmustbeme alternatively could word it as
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ben_thatmustbeme this receiver does not accept additional .... or this receiver does accept ... and protects against CSRF
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aaronpk what about "if the receiver accepts additional parameters, it protects against CSRF"
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aaronpk that way it's clearer you can ignore this if you don't accept additional parameters
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, see i would figure that you want that checked if they don't accept additional parameters
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ben_thatmustbeme that way its like a checkmark says "i'm safe from CSRF"
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aaronpk oh that does make more sense
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ben_thatmustbeme alternatively, you could break it out in to two boxes
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ben_thatmustbeme [ ] accepts additional headers
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ben_thatmustbeme [ ] protects against CSRF
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aaronpk interesting og tag fail: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12492300/linkedinmswhoops.png from https://blog.linkedin.com/2016/06/13/microsoft-and-linkedin
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@lynncyrin @OscartheOrange @JaymeMaybe sounds like what I wanted to do with @CQT_Quirell, or that already exists under @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/742394375020285952)
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[kylewm] this is awesome https://twitter.com/lynncyrin/status/720841089641394177 … not dissimilar from https://quiettime.xyz/
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Loqi [kylewm]: tantek left you a message 1 day, 13 hours ago: could you create an indie event and FB POSSE copy for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club SF as well? I'll be back for that one :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-11/line/1465701490045
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@lynncyrin Need to mute someone till the election? I got something for ya http://twitter-mute-till-election.herokuapp.com/ [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/720841089641394177)
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sknebel kylewm: ... I was reading twitter api docs yesterday thinking about building something like quiettime.xyz . guess I won't have to do that now ;)
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GWG petermolnar: Not against that. How do you test for the presence of another webmention plugin?
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar left you a message 2 hours, 20 minutes ago: would it be possible, that instead of the webmention plugin, you look for the existence of 'send_webmention' function in bridgy publish? That way it could utilize other webmention plugins, like mine http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-13/line/1465827657633
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@rrrrrrrix @pvagner For a much easier time check out Known and some other #IndieWeb projects http://indiewebcamp.com/projects (twitter.com/_/status/742396746752397312)
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@OscartheOrange @lynncyrin @JaymeMaybe @CQT_Quirell @indiewebcamp http://timsherri.mooo.com/socialtest.html local proof of concept autogend,steal nything useful,sort/regxable (twitter.com/_/status/742397438317625344)
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GWG I haven't heard much talk about webactions lately.
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voxpelli GWG: I made http://voxpelli.com/demo/indie-config/ in Nürnberg
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Loqi voxpelli: miklb left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: wonder if the Heroku deploy from GitHub path that veganstraightedge uses for DarkMatter would be a good intermediate step for Jekyll Micropub. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-04/line/1465068801085
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@timweston Any #indiewebcamp folks use a self-hosted RSS aggregator? (twitter.com/_/status/742402319669682177)
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voxpelli And tantek added buttons
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GWG What if you want your buttons to only work if smeone has a indieweb setup
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@gRegorLove @timweston Sure! There’s several examples on https://indiewebcamp.com/reader#IndieWeb_examples (twitter.com/_/status/742404816354172928)
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Zegnat (Webactions were also demoed at IWC Düsseldorf, by Sebastian Lasse)
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voxpelli GWG: hard part there is to know whether someone has a setup without asking them about it
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voxpelli As some might not want to share that fact with every site on the net and then one needs to find a good time to ask them
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voxpelli Asking for that when they want to perform an action is one of the better times I think
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gRegorLove What is webaction?
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application https://indiewebcamp.com/webaction
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gregorlove.com edited /ThinkUp (+91) "closing 2016-07-18" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /ThinkUp (+34) "see also site-deaths" (view diff)
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aaronpk gRegorLove: whoa. URL for that announcement?
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gRegorLove just adding: https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56#.n1rxxbe6m
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Zegnat Why is that not on the ThinkUp blog? Seriously…
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aaronpk "Worst of all, even if we make all the necessary development changes that would be required to continue supporting these networks, there’s no guarantee that they wouldn’t just change their APIs again."
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Twitter @Mentions by Andreas Petersell" by Andreas Petersell http://boffosocko.com/twitter-mentions/#comment-30893
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The end of ThinkUp" https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/13/6/thinkup)
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Zegnat So apparently they started looking for “a new home” in March. A process that usually “happens in secret” but they did publicly because they wanted “to do this right”. https://medium.com/@anildash/thinkup-s-next-step-39f245c10db0#.6q89mlxco Is that PR speak for “our current investors have backed out”? But if they were depending on investors while selling a product for over 5 years, how was it sustainable in the first place?
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aaronpk what's the convention for noting a heavily modified quote?
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@timweston @gRegorLove thank you! I'm new to #IndieWebCamp and didn't even think to check the site. (twitter.com/_/status/742413185240735744)
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aaronpk i'm trying to shorten that quote from my bookmark to fit in a tweet
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aaronpk really don't want to have to screenshot it :P
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Zegnat put […] wherever you have cut out words?
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aaronpk that adds 3 chars back :P
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[benatwork] Zegnat: it’s almost impossible to build a consumer product without built-in runway. Building product and audience takes time. So it’s either investment, crowdfunding, a very slow build while you do a day job, or you’re already wealthy.
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aaronpk yes that ^
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Zegnat [benatwork] you might be right. But if you can run a company with losses for 7 years, I would expect you can show me that you are soon to get out of that, right? And if you can show your gameplan for turning a profit, you should be able to find investors for the final stretch? At least, that is what my gut tells me
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aaronpk are you trying to apply logic to silicon valley investing? :P
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bret !tell rhiaro i filled out your form, but I got a server error. Not sure if it went through or not
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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Zegnat I am trying to apply logic to people running companies in silicon valley. But apparently that is wrong too :p
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aaronpk here's what i have to shorten this to to fit in a tweet with the link and #indieweb hashtag: "Even if we make the changes to continue supporting these networks, they'll just change their APIs again"
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aaronpk original: "Worst of all, even if we make all the necessary development changes that would be required to continue supporting these networks, there’s no guarantee that they wouldn’t just change their APIs again."
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aaronpk is that too modified to be considered a quote at this point?
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[benatwork] @Zegnat: They pivoted to a different some time ago - ThinkUp has been on the backburner for a long time
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[benatwork] * a different product
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[benatwork] I guarantee they originally could show a gameplan for turning a product, but the original hypotheses eventually turned out to be incorrect. Investment is a gamble.
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[benatwork] * for turning a profit
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[benatwork] I’m just not going to type anymore
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Zegnat Of course. I would just expect the company ThinkUp LLC to go down sooner if that is the case. From a legal and economics point of view, the person ThinkUp LLC is who we are talking about. Making a post in March about looking for a new home, and then a post now about ending support (both not on the homepage btw), while still selling your service, after 7years of probably never making a profit... It just all feels weird to me.
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Zegnat aaronpk: I would say that is too modified. Too bad there are no quote symbols for “paraphrasing”
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aaronpk can i post that without the " symbol maybe?
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aaronpk kevinmarks does this all the time right?
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Zegnat Sure, without quote symbols it becomes something you wrote, so that’s fine. If you had more words to use I might have put something like “the gist:” in front of it to make clear you condensed text
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aaronpk there's 3 chars left without the "
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[benatwork] Zegnat: Amazon has almost never turned a profit - intentionally. The economics are more complicated than simple profit and loss. This should probably go in another channel - #indiebiz or something maybe :wink:
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Zegnat Maybe I shouldn’t have said profit... more... cost-covering? Meh. Maybe I should do my bachelor thesis on this
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PFMurph is that channel a thing
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Zegnat “Why does ThinkUp cost money? ThinkUp costs money because we don't have ads and we don't sell your data. We're committed to making sure our company and our product are sustainable and around for the long term.” Maybe they should have put a little footnote on that, hehe.
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Zegnat It is now that we are there, PFMurph
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aaronpk sigh
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PFMurph ahuehue
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aaronpk i've gotta hurry up with the slack/irc bridge updates
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[znmeb] Curiously, I've known who Anil Dash is for years - almost as long as I've been on Twitter, which is early 2007. But it is only in its impending death that I've heard of ThinkUp, and *that* was only here in the IndieWebCamp Slack. Coincidence? I think not. :disappointed:
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Zegnat I knew about ThinkUp, probably through Gina not Anil, because I used to read LifeHacker a lot (when it was still good)
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gRegorLove I installed ThinkUp (the open source first version) and ran it for a while. For its time, it was pretty impressive.
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aaronpk same
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gRegorLove I lost track of it, then discovered they switched to the paid model and thought that was unfortunate.
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[kevinmarks] Use the ellipsis char… not...
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[kevinmarks] I paraphrase people speaking, as transcribed speech looks weird
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[kevinmarks] I do ellipsis text too
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gRegorLove "The best place to get help with your self-hosted ThinkUp is from the developer community. There is an active mailing list where you can search for the issue you’re having and post questions." The mailing list link is a google group, gives error "there is no group named thinkupapp"
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[znmeb] I use characters outside of the original 128 ANSI set only rarely ... remembering keyboard hacks or pasting from a website slows me down :wink:
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[benatwork] Open source project with paid option in ultimately unsustainable because people want to use the free version shocker
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gRegorLove Ah, just a bad link. Mailing list is https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/thinkup
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[znmeb] A business that hard-core Twitter users have never heard of even when they're led by a well-known and respected personality is also unsustainable
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[znmeb] I haven't seen a reaction from Marshall Kirkpatrick on this yet
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@kevinmarks “…even if we make all the…changes…to continue supporting these networks…they…just change their APIs again” https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56#.5bdwam7yy #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742420733549121536)
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: lol nice
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[kevinmarks] If you have to change a word, put it in square brackets. I was able to avoid that
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aaronpk !tell tantek You should watch the Apple WWDC keynote about the changes to photos and phone apps, it looks like they're doing a lot of things that look like your people-centric comms and organizing photos better like we've talked about
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [indieweb] "The end of ThinkUp — Medium" https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56#.5bdwam7yy
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aaronpk wait what how did that get there
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@aaronpk "…even if we make all the…changes…to continue supporting these networks…they…just change their APIs again" https://medium.com/@anildash/the-end-of-thinkup-e600bc46cc56 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742423732161908736)
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gRegorLove Loqi is learning
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sknebel was linked (with the same medium-#crap) from kevinmarks' tweet?
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@aaronpk Any ideas on what markup Apple is using for the new embedded previews in Messages? #wwdc #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742424183573909504)
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[benatwork] Dearly love that Apple is using privacy and zero profiling as a sales angle
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@gRegorLove @timweston You’re welcome. We have an active chat room too, if you have any questions. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc (twitter.com/_/status/742427100183859200)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Decentralized Web Summit 2016-06-09 Lightning Talks" http://www.kevinmarks.com/decentralweb2016-06-09.html
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aaronpk some good information here about JWT and sessions, which applies also to access tokens I assume since access tokens are basically session cookies http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2016/06/13/stop-using-jwt-for-sessions/
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gRegorLove Worth adding to /JWT
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kylewm reminder to folks to vote on https://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb ... in case it wasn't clear, everyone in the community is welcome to vote, not just people present last weekend
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[shaners] aaronpk: https://indieauth.com/auth/start?me=… still has the old IWC logo
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Loqi [shaners]: j4y_funabashi left you a message 11 hours, 27 minutes ago: Thanks for the PR, you are my first :D http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-13/line/1465810392139
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[kylewm] ohh the slack channel logo updated, that’s cool
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aaronpk [shaners]: when you type ~~~~ and save, the wiki changes it to your name and timestamp
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+20) "Add section headings" (view diff)
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aaronpk but don't add <nowiki> around it otherwise it won't
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[shaners] Oooooh. I see.
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aaronpk nobody actually typed out their name and timestamp
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[benatwork] Weirdly it sets my last name with three Ls. I appreciate the enunciation but I’m not sure where it’s pulling that from.
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[shaners] I did. :confused:
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aaronpk [benatwork]: https://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Preferences what's in your "signature" setting there?
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aaronpk i'm guessing it's subst:benwerd
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aaronpk which is https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:benwerd
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aaronpk which is where the extra L is
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[shaners] I never knew about this page!
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[shaners] More hidden wiki magics
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aaronpk it's one of the links in the footer
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aaronpk er, header now
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[shaners] " Remember my login on this browser (for a maximum of 180 days)” is worth it alone!
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aaronpk "my preferences"
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aaronpk yeah. tho if you visit the http site, your browser doesn't send the cookie so it will still look like you're logged out
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[shaners] aaronpk: what’s in your signature field?
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aaronpk "subst:aaronpk"
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aaronpk er, {{subst:aaronpk}}
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kylewm thinks "wait, there aren't any l's in werd"
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aaronparecki.com edited /wiki (+158) "/* Wiki Features We Use */" (view diff)
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kylewm clearly I don't understand the subst thing: https://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb#Votes
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[shaners] aaronpk: Can you make the links in [[ ]], like [[wiki]] above, link to https instead of http, please?
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aaronpk links?
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aaronpk oh in slack!
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aaronpk yes
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[shaners] kylewm: Check the box under signature field to treat as wiki text
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[shaners] aaronpk: Yep. In slack.
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aaronpk fixed
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aaronpk (for new messages only obviously)
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KevinMarks seems like we need a how to page on signatures
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aaronpk what is wiki signature?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wiki signature" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10NE
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[kylewm] shaners++
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[shaners] kylewm: that fixed it
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Loqi shaners has 42 karma
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kylewm what is 42?
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Loqi The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything is … 42 https://indiewebcamp.com/42
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aaronpk oh it's there already https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:sparkline
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kylewm reminds himself that douglas adams references were specifically called out as inessential weirdnesses...
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aaronpk really?
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KevinMarks even ones to j.mp/DA ?
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bear please, point me at anyone who objects to anything HHGTG
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KevinMarks 'cos that is essential reading
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[kylewm] https://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2016/05/21/0#like+really+concise+speech+and+Douglas+Adams+jokes
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aaronpk oh not in reference to our usage of it
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aaronpk i thought "inessential weirdnesses" referred to things more like how you have to learn mediawiki syntax in order to create your user page after signing in, when really the goal of encouraging people to sign in to the wiki is to get them to set up a domain and some rel=me links
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aaronpk learning mediawiki syntax is not essential to the indieweb
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aaronpk having a website is
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bear true, but we are still very much in a bootstrap mode
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bear so after we get the whole "own your own data" thing solved we can work on collaborative editing via micropub+webmentions
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aaronpk sounds like fun :D
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gRegorLove ~~~~ probably isn't necessary for most things, like voting on renaming. I guess it's useful for those who don't already have {{template:name}}
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gRegorLove If there's a brainstorming discussion with a lot of back and forth, the added timestamp may be helpful, but even then... that doesn't seem to happen often.
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gRegorLove We do that in IRC first, then wikify
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gRegorLove Three tildes inserts just your [[User:example.com]] link.
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KevinMarks if yiou don't want a timestamp, use ~~~ (3 tildes)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:sparkline/doc (+85) "/* How to include your h-card in your wiki signature */ expand with three/four tildes options" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /wiki_signature (+32) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-13/line/1465852341957 r" (view diff)
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rMdes_ aaronpk, why not use the wiki this way: user is invited to test his indieweb level on the wiki and the wiki would read the h-card and populate the user page using a pre-defined template, hence just by siggning in, that part would be done, this tamplate page could also have some blocks with very simple first step to manipulate the wiki & get in
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aaronpk i think that's a great idea
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Loqi [indieweb] "@kevinmarks Kevin Marks" by kevinmarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/742098180242690048
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rMdes_ would be lovely to have one unique profile and syndicate this byte of information wherever we login using indieauth, some kinf of indie-bio description, each time you login your profile elsewhere gets updated
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aaronpk definitely. I did that with Telegraph actually. it picks up your name and photo each time you sign in
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/26
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rMdes_ that definitely help create a flow between the site, the wiki and here
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rMdes_ :))
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@notenoughneon Building a DSL for the #indieweb: http://notenoughneon.com/2016/6/13/building-a-dsl-for-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742489560962060290)
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gRegorLove Huffduffer also picks up info from h-cards and other profiles via rel-me links
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rMdes_ what is Huffduffer ?
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Loqi Huffduffer, built by Jeremy Keith is a tool for creating podcasts out of audio files from around the web https://indiewebcamp.com/Huffduffer
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@znmeb Building a DSL for the indieweb - Not Enough Neon http://notenoughneon.com/2016/6/13/building-a-dsl-for-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742491190189273089)
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@znmeb_dfs Building a DSL for the indieweb - Not Enough Neon http://notenoughneon.com/2016/6/13/building-a-dsl-for-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742491190499610624)
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gRegorLove Huffduffer is pretty cool if you listen to podcasts. Check it out.
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@guzmanadrian Frontiers of Journalism - Building a DSL for the indieweb - Not Enough Neon http://www.scoop.it/t/frontiers-of-journalism/p/4065131810/2016/06/13/building-a-dsl-for-the-indieweb-not-enough-neon (twitter.com/_/status/742493447483985921)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Frontiers of Journalism - Building a DSL for the indieweb - Not Enough Neon" by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://www.scoop.it/t/frontiers-of-journalism/p/4065131810/2016/06/13/building-a-dsl-for-the-indieweb-not-enough-neon
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rhiaro #indieweblife https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/742502936081760256
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Loqi rhiaro: bret left you a message 5 hours, 53 minutes ago: i filled out your form, but I got a server error. Not sure if it went through or not http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-13/line/1465840320567
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@rhiaro In other news, my website posting is broken so whenever I'm posting to twitter atm I'm just making up permalinks -> http://rhiaro.co.uk/2016/06/other-news (twitter.com/_/status/742502936081760256)
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