#indiewebcamp 2016-06-12

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GWG !tell kylewm, snarfed The Bridgy literature says it returns a 201. It seems to return a 200. 200 is correct according to the webmention specification. The literature seems wrong.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed GWG: thanks for the report! are you talking about publish?
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snarfed and by literature, you mean http://brid.gy/about ?
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GWG snarfed: Yes, /about.
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GWG snarfed: Also, the WordPress recommendation is for the Indieweb plugin...not sure if you want to add to that as it doesn't include the webmention or semantic linkback pieces.
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GWG The change to class names necessitated a Bridgy Publish plugin bugfix, so I was looking in the about page for anything else I might do
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snarfed ok!
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snarfed you know more about the current state than me, want to send a PR?
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snarfed btw i'm pretty sure publish via webmention returns 201. why do you think it returns 200?
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snarfed i see your test from tiny.n9n.us just now, it definitely returned 201 :P
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GWG snarfed: Receiving a Webmention request, processing it synchronously, and responding with HTTP 200
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GWG Receiving a Webmention request, processing it asynchronously, creating a status URL and responding with HTTP 201
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GWG You process synchronously, I believe...therefore you should be returning a 200.
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snarfed eh yeah, it's debatable
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snarfed i understand the 200 argument based on the spec
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snarfed bridgy publish is a pretty unusual use of wm, though, and it definitely does create something as a side effect, so 201 is technically more correct for that
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snarfed i don't really care either way though. happy to change it to 200, or we can see what aaronpk thinks
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GWG snarfed: I know it is an unusual use case. Although if you are still returning 201...it might break people's sites.
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snarfed eh. i doubt that in practice - by that argument changing it to 200 would more likely break *existing* users - but i hear you. happy to change it if the community agrees.
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jakewilkins.com created /User:Jakewilkins.com (+106) "Created page with "Hi, I'm [http://www.jakewilkins.com Jake Wilkins] I'm just getting started into Indie Web publishing. <3"" (view diff)
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GWG snarfed: That was what I meant.
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snarfed ah ok
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GWG snarfed: Adding some logging code.
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GWG snarfed: I also put in a proposal to allow query variables to be sent with a filter in the webmention plugin to support your extra query parameters.
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snarfed cool!
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GWG snarfed: Oh, and saw your presentation. Very nice
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snarfed aww thanks!
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GWG snarfed: What other interesting things could I do with the response object from Bridgy Publish?
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snarfed lol. solution in search of a problem?
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GWG snarfed: I want to improve the Bridgy Publish plugin. When the query variable filter is stable, I'll likely switch to using it. But always a question of how I can do better.
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snarfed love it! i guess i'd just encourage you to start from itches instead of from tools :P
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GWG snarfed: I like to know what is possible. I usually make note of it in an issue for future use.
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GWG snarfed: Same with the webmention plugin. There, the itch was somewhat intangible.
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell singpolyma have you make a PR back to gnu social for you webmention fixes yet?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Hello, ben_thatmustbeme
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kylewm snarfed: your talk was really impressive. Lots of information conveyed in a concise and approachable way
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Loqi kylewm: GWG left you a message 37 minutes ago: The Bridgy literature says it returns a 201. It seems to return a 200. 200 is correct according to the webmention specification. The literature seems wrong. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-11/line/1465689739846
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kylewm I hope you had a good time at the conference!
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GWG kylewm: I wrote that poorly. It should return a 200. snarfed and I just discussed it.
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GWG And...
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GWG snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 234 karma
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GWG I heartily concur.
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk i fail this test because i use vouch, it returns 449, not 400
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme hey GWG
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: How many vouches do you get?
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ben_thatmustbeme eh, not sure, its all automated, and once i white list someone it basically ignores that
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ben_thatmustbeme hold on, i'll check the DB
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't get many webmentions honestly other than bridgy
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Some stats on how much usage Vouch gets would be interesting.
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ben_thatmustbeme it looks like i only have 8 where i stored the vouch url, but i'm not sure I store them if they are whitelisted, have to check the code
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, confirmed, i don't keep the vouch if its someone i whitelisted
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ben_thatmustbeme so i actually don't know how many i really receieved
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GWG I just am curious how widespread vouch is.
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GWG I just sent a PR to pfefferle to pass the parameter without doing anything with it.
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GWG So, a future step is to actually have a handler.
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ben_thatmustbeme who wrote the wordpress webmention plugin exactly?
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ben_thatmustbeme need to get it tested with webmention.rocks
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Matthias Pfefferle.
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GWG I have been burying him in commits though.
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GWG He just fixed two tests there.
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ben_thatmustbeme oh nice
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ben_thatmustbeme well not nice about burying him, fixes=nice
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: He was offline for months and told me to keep going.
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tantek GWG, glad you're making incremental progress. Your patience is being rewarded.
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GWG tantek: I admit to being patience challenged.
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GWG Does anyone have an implementation of CSRF tokens for webmentions they can link me to?
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kylewm I'm pretty sure the csrf token for silo.pub is "CSRF_TODO"
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GWG I like to look at implementations.
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tantek heh
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Loqi [indieweb] "Move to Moments, or Facebook Will Delete Your Synced Mobile Photos" by David Z. Morris http://fortune.com/2016/06/11/moments-facebook-mobile-photos/
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gRegorLove GWG: I've used this for CSRF in some projects https://github.com/BKcore/NoCSRF
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GWG gRegorLove: I was curious to see a webmention implementation
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gRegorLove Like for a public webmention form? It would be the same as any other form.
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GWG gRegorLove: Agreed. Just I like to see how people implemented things
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gRegorLove Not sure I see much benefit, since by design a webmention endpoint can receive posts from anywhere
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GWG "if a Webmention endpoint does accept requests with additional headers, it SHOULD protect itself against Cross-Site Request Forgery (CSRF) attacks. One way to prevent CSRF attacks is by including a CSRF token in a query string parameter of the Webmention endpoint, so that a Webmention sender finds the token when discovering the endpoint."
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gRegorLove That's odd. I don't get it; must be missing something.
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gRegorLove Ok, it's in the context of authentication headers or cookies.
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gRegorLove Not aware of any implementations doing that
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GWG I think aaronpk does it
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gRegorLove He's using webmention.io, which doesn't have a csrf token
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gregorlove.com edited /token-endpoint (+0) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ fix silo.pub wiki link" (view diff)
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@lynncyrin @aurynn I figure you've heard about Quirell and indieweb stuff then ~ (twitter.com/_/status/741823511698673665)
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@lynncyrin @aurynn indieweb (and its circle) is about independent / distributed web technologies http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/741824171164848128)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+0) "move past June events" (view diff)
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tantek !tell kylewm could you create an indie event and FB POSSE copy for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club SF as well? I'll be back for that one :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell gRegorLove what do you think of the top of https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club vs. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club ? Wanted you to compare/contrast when considering how to best replicate HWC pages for July. Note newest image (for "featured" use) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove Micropub question: on /token-endpoint the JWT example uses 'date_issued' then later under verification it uses 'issued_at'. Is one of those incorrect, or is it just whatever is set in the JWT initially?
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 5 minutes ago: what do you think of the top of https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club vs. https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club ? Wanted you to compare/contrast when considering how to best replicate HWC pages for July. Note newest image (for "featured" use) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club#Photos http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-11/line/1465701607835
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gRegorLove tantek: I like it
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tantek gRegorLove: cool. I know copy/pasting each month is a bit of a pain, but I do think the lower barrier to experimenting with the format of the page (without risking changing past pages) is helping with iteration to keep improving them
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tantek maybe it will settle/converge eventually
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gRegorLove Oh, I don't mind. I copy it in a text editor and then do find-and-replace for the dates. It's pretty quick.
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/dalmaer/status/741836926823469056
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@dalmaer "Rill lets you pretend that your browser is a fully capable node server" https://medium.com/@pierceydylan/isomorphic-javascript-it-just-has-to-work-b9da5b0c8035#.tctokvd49 (twitter.com/_/status/741836926823469056)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Decentralized Web Summit" by Ryan Barrett https://snarfed.org/2016-06-11_decentralized-web-summit
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@MicropubInfo + Info: #DWebSummit @schnarfed: we have brought many of the indieweb building blocks to socialwg and webmenti... https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scoopnest.com%2Fuser%2Fkevinmarks%2F739604646151487488&ct=ga&cd=CAIyHDNlNjg4ODQzODIxNzA0ZmU6Y28udWs6ZW46R0I&usg=AFQjCNHUvll7vGwJJ_0bbgi8P20jOmFZ-g (twitter.com/_/status/741905243777073152)
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@dogskidssmiles #indieweb #IndieWriters https://twitter.com/ReadersGazette/status/741928535921709057 (twitter.com/_/status/741932616622968832)
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Loqi [indieweb] "My delayed notes from Wednesday's #DWebSummit http://www.kevinmarks.com/decentralweb2016-06-08.html Edits for typos at https://github.com/kevinmarks/kevin-marks.com/edit/master/web/index.html please #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/my-delayed-notes-from-wednesdays-dwebsummit-decentralweb2016-06-08html-edits-for-typos
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: Just going through webmention.rocks and wondering if test 12 should have 2 more not-webmentions, one in the Link header and an extra anchor before the correct one?
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-06-08-decentralized-web-summit (+278) "Blog Posts / snarfed post, kevinmarks notes" (view diff)
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tantek is checking for typos since he brought that up
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@stopsatgreen @ninjabiscuit Thanks. And it’s x-posted from my own blog :) https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE — but I generally get more traction from Medium. (twitter.com/_/status/741996765935771648)
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tantek how does one measure "traction"? what does that even mean?
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@dkreuz schrieb: "IndieWeb" http://t73f.de/blog/2016/indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/742006985319710720)
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tantek.com edited /friendly (+297) "In Progress / Pandoc" (view diff)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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sknebel good evening tantek!
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Loqi [indieweb] "Recalling #IndieWeb Summit last weekend.
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Loqi [indieweb] "willnorris starred miklb/jekyll-indieweb" by willnorris https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb
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tantek heh wat
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tantek there's a feed of starrings?
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tantek or is that some kind of proto-activity-stream post?
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KevinMarks_ Thanks for the typo fixes tantek
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tantek also funny about Cory saying P2P conf was 1999 (I think your 1989 was a typo), when it was actually in 2001
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KevinMarks Yes, we had a back and forth on twitter about it
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tantek I missed that
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tantek ah yes: https://twitter.com/timoreilly/status/740697415141855232
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@timoreilly @kevinmarks @doctorow Uh, that was 2001. Why 1989…? (twitter.com/_/status/740697415141855232)
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tantek corrected: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/740697764644945921
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@doctorow @timoreilly @kevinmarks 1999! Sorry -- I was off by 2yrs! (twitter.com/_/status/740697764644945921)
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KevinMarks http://www.craphound.com/images/etcon2003pix/etcon2003pix-Pages/Image40.html
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KevinMarks Pretty sure Quinn and Danny's "Emerging Man" inspired Foo camp
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GWG I just emailed Akismet about webmention support
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@spusavec The latest The Slavko Pušavec Daily! http://paper.li/spusavec?edition_id=c3c71920-30c3-11e6-ae4e-0cc47a0d1605 Thanks to @sonnyvu #mountains #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742047170237456384)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Repost of Ben Werdmüller's post on werd.io" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/repost-of-ben-werdm%C3%BCllers-post-on-werdio-5752032e67
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Loqi [indieweb] "A un niveau personel, tout un chacun peut appliquer des notions de #platformcoop sur sa présence en ligne, notamment avec #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/a-un-niveau-personel-tout-un-chacun-peut-appliquer-des
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Loqi [indieweb] "I really have to fix my enforcing of TLS on this site, otherwise until I do some #bridgy links don't get sync #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/i-really-have-to-fix-my-enforcing-of-tls-on
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Loqi [indieweb] "Repost of Ben Werdmüller's post on werd.io" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/repost-of-ben-werdm%C3%BCllers-post-on-werdio-5ed09a41a3
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Loqi [indieweb] "could https://woodwind.xyz/ also have a "client" tab "Quill-like" to post new stuff from the reader? is that even a good idea ? #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/could-also-have-a-client-tab-quill-like-to-post-new
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Loqi [indieweb] "@holden I have read it all before replying, but even before talking RSS (that I heavily use and in fact implement basic monitoring for clients" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/holden-i-have-read-it-all-before-replying-but-even
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Loqi [indieweb] "wrote some note/ideas a few days ago on how/why to get #journalists/project/community-managers/everyone on #IndieWeb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/wrote-some-noteideas-a-few-days-ago-on-howwhy-to
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Loqi [indieweb] "draft: Reasons to getting started @withKnown https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_with_Known #journalists" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/draft-reasons-to-getting-started-withknown-getting_started_with_known-journalists-everyone-else
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Loqi [indieweb] "Anyone at #HHconnect ever heard about #indieweb? If you're interested to talk about it (I'm just a participants, not inventor or developper) I'm available anytime" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/anyone-at-hhconnect-ever-heard-about-indieweb-if-youre-interested
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bret rhiaro: not sure if that form submitted or not https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ajBHi99H/Screen%20Shot%202016-06-12%20at%201.12.23%20PM.png
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bret got an errror
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@kevinmarks my notes on a few of the lightning talks from Thursday's Distributed Web Summit http://www.kevinmarks.com/decentralweb2016-06-09.html #DWebSummit #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742098180242690048)
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Loqi [indieweb] "my notes on a few of the lightning talks from Thursday's Distributed Web Summit http://www.kevinmarks.com/decentralweb2016-06-09.html #DWebSummit #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/my-notes-on-a-few-of-the-lightning-talks-from
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wagle hmm webmention wordpress plugin is broken
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@devleakslinks The #IndieWeb is important - it focuses on You, not the corporations that own the big silo content farms. http://devleaks.com/link/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/742114260034170881)
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gRegorLove !tell aaronpk Micropub question: on /token-endpoint the JWT example uses 'date_issued' then later under verification it uses 'issued_at'. Is one of those incorrect? Is it OK to use whatever's in the JWT initially, or is 'issued_at' expected?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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j4y_funabashi pretty excited to have gotten webmention.rocks tests 1-14 passing!
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j4y_funabashi not sure why yet but getting a 405 Method Not Allowed on test 15
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ben_thatmustbeme j4y_funabashi++
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Loqi j4y_funabashi has 2 karma
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j4y_funabashi either way, I am v happy to see my site starting to communicate with other peeps :D
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ben_thatmustbeme Cool
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ben_thatmustbeme What are you using to run your site?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you using to run your site" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10ND
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ben_thatmustbeme Nevermind, just saw it on your user page. Cool
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ben_thatmustbeme If you have the time, could you submit an implementation report?
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j4y_funabashi hey ben_thatmustbeme what do you mean by implementation report?
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j4y_funabashi aw no! all webmention.rocks Discovery Tests passing except 15! too tired to fix it now but 20/21 isnt too shabby for one weekend
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j4y_funabashi does happy dance
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/
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ben_thatmustbeme It's basically just a checklist of things
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j4y_funabashi ben_thatmustbeme: I will certainly write something up once it is working + stable, code repo is here: https://github.com/j4y-funabashi/aruna
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ben_thatmustbeme Wow, looks really clean. Is that in some framework?
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[shaners] j4y_funabashi: https://github.com/j4y-funabashi/aruna/pull/1
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[shaners] Just a little thing
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 1 day, 1 hour ago: sure dimensions request is reasonable. I'm going to be biased and ask for iPod Touch 5 (also iPhone 5) first :) 1,136 by 640 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-11/line/1465680972888
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[shaners] !tell tantek I’ll make them in whatever order you/other submit them as issues on the GH repo :wink: https://github.com/indieweb/branding/issues
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk good afternoon. catching up on logs...
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 22 hours, 57 minutes ago: i fail this test because i use vouch, it returns 449, not 400 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-11/line/1465692335015
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Loqi aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 1 hour, 20 minutes ago: Micropub question: on /token-endpoint the JWT example uses 'date_issued' then later under verification it uses 'issued_at'. Is one of those incorrect? Is it OK to use whatever's in the JWT initially, or is 'issued_at' expected? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-12/line/1465770133222
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aaronpk GWG: snarfed: what is the issue with thhe 200/201 for bridgy? the spec only talks about creating "status page" resources and returning http 201, but it makes sense that if something else is created it would also return 201. it should only return 200 if there is no location header returned
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: interesting about the http 449 response. wonder if we should add some leniency to the spec to support extensions like that then
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aaronpk GWG: webmention.rocks uses csrf tokens itself
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ben_thatmustbeme I figure the extension would specify to override that
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aaronpk gRegorLove: the example that has "date_issued" is a self-contained example of one way to create tokens so doesnt relate to the other example with "issued_at" below
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gRegorLove aaronpk: So the token verification step, issued_at is optional?
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi: did you encounter a specific case where your suggestion would have had different results with your code?
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emmak gRegorLove: i didn't bother including the issued date in my tokens
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emmak i think its only needed if you want them to expire after a certain time
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk most of how you deal with tokens isnt actually part of the spec
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gRegorLove Ok. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something micropub clients expected
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aaronpk clients shouldnt actually know anything about the tokens
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aaronpk tokens are just opaque strings to clients