#indiewebcamp 2016-06-18

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GWG I just registered for WordCamp NYC. Wondering how I turn one Camper into another sort.
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emmak gRegorLove: i do find the orange hard to read but like the increased font size
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Loqi [indieweb] "edtech" https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://chrisaldrich.wordpress.com/tag/edtech/&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjkyMzZiY2Y2MGQ4MDViZmE6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNECXHuzDgTpwA9qIGDX77JDNCxAiA
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Hypothes.is and the IndieWeb by Lynne Doran" by Lynne Doran http://boffosocko.com/2016/06/17/hypothes-is-and-the-indieweb/#comment-30985
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emmak i've been experimenting with using a strategy pattern to marshall non h-entry content into reply-contexts: http://notenoughneon.com/2016/6/17/2
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Loqi [Emma Kuo] getEntry() strategies are a new feature. You can use this to create RSVPs, reply contexts and reposts of non #indieweb content that publishes oembed and opengraph data such as tweets and wordpress blog entries. A few examples where I've used this:
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[kevinmarks] Gregorlove: move to hsv, and adjust value until it passes?
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gRegorLove #CF4900 passes WCAG AA and AAA (large)
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gRegorLove Only fails AAA normal
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ben_thatmustbeme yay, gnusocial has a fully working mf2/webmention plugin now
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gRegorLove Wow. Awesome.
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gRegorLove Installed anywhere?
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[shaners] kylewm: How DO you pronounciate your last name other than “double you em”?
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[kylewm] shaners: muh-HAN is the way my family pronounces it... it's inconsistent
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shurcooL Hello. o/
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[chrisaldrich] Evening shurcooL
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Hypothes.is and the IndieWeb by Kris Shaffer" by Kris Shaffer http://boffosocko.com/2016/06/17/hypothes-is-and-the-indieweb/#comment-30982
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@sfeldeu indiewebified my mobile content container - preparing for IndieWeb HackDay https://twitter.com/sfeldeu/status/744057886796558336/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/744057886796558336)
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shurcooL I just discovered indiewebcamp.com today and I can't believe how awesome it is.
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GWG shurcooL: Welcome
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gRegorLove Hiya shurcooL
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Hack Day Nuremberg 2016, 22nd June 2016" http://lanyrd.com/2016/indiewebcamp/
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gRegorLove Do you have a personal website?
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shurcooL Yes. But parts of it are (very) incomplete, and there's many things I'm not doing yet (like microformats mentioned at http://indiewebify.me/).
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shurcooL But other parts are done and really cool (IMO). :P
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gRegorLove That's ok. For some of us tinkering on our sites, we'll never be "done"
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shurcooL Yeah. I work on it in spare time and slowly make progress. It'll be more done sometime in the future hehe
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gRegorLove shurcooL: You could add web-sign in pretty easily and then log in to the wiki with it. See https://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain
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shurcooL yep, it didn't seem hard, but I'll take some time to read it and better understand it first.
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shurcooL I was just reading http://indiewebcamp.com/Why and http://indiewebcamp.com/principles and really enjoying that
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gRegorLove Awesome
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shurcooL I used to think this was much more rare (see https://twitter.com/shurcooL/status/736053518042169345) and didn't know there's a name for it, etc. but now I know :) super exciting to learn more, see how else I can make my site better, maybe share it a little with people who have similar values, look at what others are doing, etc. :D
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@shurcooL It's always nice when I check out someone's personal website, then see they also use @letsencrypt for https. Virtual high-five! /ht @parkr (twitter.com/_/status/736053518042169345)
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gRegorLove Are you in SF, shurcooL? There's a Homebrew Website Club meetup there every two weeks. You should come by. Next one is https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club
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shurcooL Yeah, I am. Awesome, I noticed I missed some big event at the beginning of this month
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shurcooL I'll check that out, thanks for letting me know
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2016-06-03-iwc-wiki-home.png]]""
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tantek.com edited /wiki/redesign (-6) "redirect to latest reskinning project" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/newskin (+116) "Previously, with previous home page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+261) "/* To Do */ subsections, Incorporate recommended/agreed improvements from sessions" (view diff)
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shurcooL can/should I create a user page for myself? I didn't really find any notes about that, but I see others have them (and link to them on the RSVP pages)
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KartikPrabhu shurcooL: yes you should!
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gRegorLove shurcooL: Yep, a lot of us use them to keep a list of things to do on our site. See https://indiewebcamp.com/wikifying for more
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dmitri.shuralyov.com created /User:Dmitri.shuralyov.com (+42) "Create user page for Dmitri Shuralyov." (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /wikifying (-43) "/* Wikify yourself */ User profile link location in current skin" (view diff)
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dmitri.shuralyov.com edited /User:Dmitri.shuralyov.com (+34) "Make it simpler, as described on http://indiewebcamp.com/wikifying." (view diff)
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dmitri.shuralyov.com edited /events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club (+32) "Add myself to next SF event RSVP." (view diff)
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shurcooL I kinda like this idea of web sign-in using your domain name (http://indiewebcamp.com/Why_web_sign-in), but I wonder how it deals with a situation if a domain name happens to have more than one user tied to it. Maybe secondary users. This might be a rare situation, and it might not be a good idea, but yeah, I'm just wondering.
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shurcooL Right now my mental model for uniquely identifing users is a (Domain string, ID uint64) pair. Where ID = 0 represents no user (not authenticated).
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shurcooL E.g., my user on github is (Domain: "github.com", ID: 1924134), on twitter it's (Domain: "twitter.com", ID: 21361484), etc.
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KartikPrabhu shurcooL: that situation has not been an issue so far for indieauth
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shurcooL so if someone signs up/logs in using a web sign-in, should I think of them as a (Domain "theirdomain.com", ID: 1)?
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tantek shurcool - the whole point is to encourage users to own their own domains, so they own/control their URLs etc.
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tantek as opposed to being just a user on someone else's system
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tantek hence IndieAuth rather than SiloAuth - TwitterAuth, FacebookAuth etc.
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tantek it also parallels CORS and same origin in terms of security
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shurcooL I understand, but look at my original question, it's about additional/secondary users (a hypothetical situation, possibly a bad idea) on a given domain.
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tantek whereas (domain string, separate ID) does not
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tantek it's about rejecting that
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tantek because it is insecure
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shurcooL I _think_ just assuming ID of 1 as their primary id could work, and these secondary users could be id 2, 3, 4, ...
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tantek there's no need for such ID
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tantek that's the point
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tantek you can simplify your mental model thus
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shurcooL Right, if the goal is to support only web sign-in, then just domain is enough.
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KartikPrabhu shurcooL: is there a specific use case for this extra ID ?
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shurcooL For now, I'm seeing how web sign-ins can fit into my current mental model, but maybe I'll want to change/evolve my mental model... it's fun to think about this.
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shurcooL Well, right now it's a way to uniquely identify (existing) users on any site (like facebook, twitter, github).
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shurcooL but thinking of a user as just a domain name is a really neat and simple idea.
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shurcooL Is there a difference between IndieAuth and RelMeAuth?
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shurcooL tantek: you said "parallels CORS", that makes me think of ports. in theory, there could be different ports. example.com:443 might be different from example.com:1234.
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tantek shurcooL: yes I believe systems do that by treating http and https differently for now
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tantek (as separate logins)
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tantek though I could see systems in the future only allowing https
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shurcooL Could someone login from same domain but different ports? Hehe. These are just questions/ideas coming to my head... I have a lot of learning to do, so maybe there are obvious answers to them
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gRegorLove IndieAuth is an implementation of RelMeAuth
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shurcooL Gotcha, thanks.
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gRegorLove Though honestly I always get a bit confused about that when It hink about it, heh
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tantek shurcooL: yes see above re http and https - those are different ports
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shurcooL Right.
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KartikPrabhu shurcooL: in the spirit of keeping it simple, I would not bother with something unless it had a goos use-case
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shurcooL So my site currently supports signing in via github only (for posting comments and adding reactions), and I want to consider single sign-in in the future. And maybe there'll be ways to let people post comments in a way that they still own those comments (rather than me owning them). But I'm gonna take time to think more about these things and learn more, I've only just found out IndieWeb is a thing today hehe.
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gRegorLove honk honk
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gRegorLove (goose use-case)
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: it is pretty late here, cut me some slacks ;)
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gRegorLove shurcooL: Aye, there's a lot to take in. The way a lot of us are doing comments is posting them on our own site, then sending webmentions to the original URL. They can then parse the microformats in our posts to show the comment on their site.
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gRegorLove What is webmention?
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Loqi Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention
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shurcooL Speaking of that, is there any chance there's this room but on Slack rather than IRC?
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gRegorLove Yep. slack.indiewebcamp.com
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gRegorLove It's bridged to this IRC both ways
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shurcooL gRegorLove: :+1: yep, I saw those and realized I can do even better. thanks :)
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: I'm not a tailor ;)
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gRegorLove G'night all
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: good job on getting the pun!
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KartikPrabhu night!
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[shurcool] thanks for the heads up about Slack (I wish that'd be mentioned on the site... should I add it there?)
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tantek shurcool - good suggestion, adding to discuss page now...
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tantek.com edited /IRC (+76) "note right at the top that Slack can be used too" (view diff)
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[shurcool] All right, time for sleep. Thanks for answering my questions and for existing, it made me happier today :smile: I've RSVPed to the SF event on 29th, looking forward to check that out. Cya!
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club (+15) "still waiting on DC venue" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club (+158) "London is a go, add London's indie event" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-32) "no London til 2016-07-27" (view diff)
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tantek !tell adactio Can you confirm 2016-09-23…24 for IWC Brighton? If so, would you like a co-organizer to help with wiki page creation / editing for the event?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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voxpelli tantek: 2016-09-24...25, right?
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tantek voxpelli: yes
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tantek !tell adactio CORRECTION: 2016-09-24…25 for IWC Brighton per https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#Brighton_UK
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk nobody mentioned that we already have a simple way to handle multiple users for a single domain?
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk vs https://github.com/tantek
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aaronpk and if you look at the websites of people who have logged in to the wiki, some of them include a path like that
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[kevinmarks] Yes, that is what you rel-me to
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@RikMende Using internal #hashtags to organize the content of my @withknown site more accessible #indieweb (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/using-internal-hashtags-to-organize-the-content-of-my-withknown) (twitter.com/_/status/744192241887903744)
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@RikMende Testing my website speed & learning htaccess tricks to opitmize server side #indieweb https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/744193560786800640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/744193560786800640)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Using internal #hashtags to organize the content of my @withknown site more accessible #indieweb" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/using-internal-hashtags-to-organize-the-content-of-my-withknown
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why I support Silex" by Pierre Ozoux https://blog.indie.host/2016/why-i-support-silex
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@RikMende Web-People versus Dot-Com People : http://megnut.com/2000/04/ive-been-thinking-a-lot/ #indieweb or why I choose to be part of the Web-People. (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/web-people-versus-dot-com-people-200004ive-been-thinking-a-lot-indieweb-or-why-i-choose) (twitter.com/_/status/744199725264494592)
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kylewm aaronpk: where does Loqi get the description for a post like this http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-15/line/1466059495504
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Loqi [Loqi] [indieweb] "Repost of Kevin Marks's tweet" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/repost-of-kevin-markss-tweet-1e9b300e28
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kylewm I'm thinking maybe just the <title>
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aaronpk huh
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aaronpk oh, that's from superfeedr
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aaronpk so yes probably <title>
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kylewm is it from the RSS feed then?
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kylewm whoa! indie embroidery! https://twitter.com/sfeldeu/status/744057886796558336
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@sfeldeu indiewebified my mobile content container - preparing for IndieWeb HackDay [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/744057886796558336)
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aaronpk yeah i think superfeedr only gets it from the rss feed
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tantek.com edited /logo (+255) "In the wild" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@scottjenson next bay area #indieweb meetup is Homebrew Website Club 2016-06-29 17:30 @MozSF!
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aaronpk we need an indieweb theme song that i can use for videos
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@t @scottjenson next bay area #indieweb meetup is Homebrew Website Club 2016-06-29 17:30 @MozSF! https://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (ttk.me t4hq1) (twitter.com/_/status/744213011217276928)
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[kevinmarks] So presumably it needs to be CC then?
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk i used one of my songs for the swat0 video but it's a bit intense
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aaronpk oh here's another one i could use https://www.dropbox.com/s/a0vly52hglk5i2q/One%20Seventh%20%28Looped%29.mp3?dl=0
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aaronpk (it's not actually 18 minutes, it's about a 5 minute loop but it plays continuously)
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@t @RikMende nice visuals! Can you add that tool to the IndieWebCamp performance page? https://indiewebcamp.com/performance#Tools (ttk.me t4hq2) (twitter.com/_/status/744217099233439746)
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@IndieWebCampDE .@sfeldeu FabLab FTW, right? ;) Looking forward to more of these gimmicks on Wednesday. Join in! https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/IndieWeb-Hack-Day #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/744219804920324096)
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www.rmendes.net edited /performance (+218) "/* Tools */" (view diff)
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GWG !tell tantek EI146...and you didn't say anything?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@jayevajohnson Daily Biz & Social News is out! http://paper.li/jayevajohnson/1366811570?edition_id=8ccceb10-357e-11e6-b54d-0cc47a0d164b Stories via @GAEquality @stolenbikessfo @indiewebcamp #elearning #socialmedia (twitter.com/_/status/744228330250113026)
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aaronpk First video from IndieWeb Summit is live! Tantek's "State of the IndieWeb" https://youtu.be/7zTolqW_I2g
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@TT_SemWeb performance - IndieWebCamp https://t.co/HO4oWj7ib7, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/topic/RWW/semantic-web?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/744242923823325185)
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@blognoon performance - IndieWebCamp https://t.co/EQGBj1w201, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/v/3112?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/744243310806589440)
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aaronpk Second video: Cutting edge IndieWeb: https://youtu.be/UwigA7uX60Q
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miklb suggestion: add those to the 2016 IWS page
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aaronpk will do after i finish the third one
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[shaners] aaronpk: the email this week still had the old logo
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aaronpk doh you're right. will fix.
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[shaners] I DEMAND A REFUND! :stuck_out_tongue:
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miklb !tell voxpelli any thoughts on how to add syndicate-to to your Editorial workflow? Got it working, just would like to add the Front Matter so my build process could POSSE with bridgy. Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb needs to look at some micropub python libraries for that too
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voxpelli miklb: having it be automatically added or? You can edit the front matter yourself already
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Loqi voxpelli: miklb left you a message 2 minutes ago: any thoughts on how to add syndicate-to to your Editorial workflow? Got it working, just would like to add the Front Matter so my build process could POSSE with bridgy. Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-18/line/1466278279991
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GWG I had this great conversation re Indieweb in another room. I am thinking of turning it into a post.
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voxpelli Just the automated things that needs to be tweaked, but those are separate from the Micropub flow itself
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miklb voxpelli ah, didn't think about that. Will look at that now. I was able to modify the webmention plugin I use to parse the front matter and send a webmention from the Front Matter.
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miklb s/Front Matter/mp-syndicate-to link/
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Loqi miklb meant to say: voxpelli ah, didn't think about that. Will look at that now. I was able to modify the webmention plugin I use to parse the front matter and send a webmention from the mp-syndicate-to link.
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voxpelli miklb: cool! I currently have three flows for creating my Editorial front matter
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voxpelli An Instapaper one + two social ones, reply and bookmark
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miklb ooh
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miklb voxpelli where would I be looking for setting front matter?
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miklb or are you setting that in the document before running the micropub workflow?
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aaronpk k i think i fixed the email logo.
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voxpelli miklb: yes, see the http://www.editorial-workflows.com/workflow/5272002294185984/FjNSs8nDyBs
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voxpelli miklb: the Micropub flow only adds additional properties, it keeps whatever is there already
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miklb voxpelli gotcha, was just coming to that conclusion
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voxpelli miklb: one thing to remember though: The front matter is translated to Micropub parameters, so I don't think all params will survive all the way to the final front matter
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voxpelli So the two front matters are really two completely separate things that just uses similar formats :)
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miklb hmm. OK. I'll experiment.
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miklb voxpelli also, how are you? Still busy with work?
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voxpelli miklb: becoming less busy with work now that I've stopped freelancing, so starting to have time to do other things :)
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GWG voxpelli, if you have a moment, I wanted to pick your brain more on web actions.
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voxpelli GWG: sure, go ahead! :)
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GWG I had to leave abruptly last time
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GWG I was asking about the fact that there isn't a clear alternative if you don't want to wrap your web actions in silo links.
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voxpelli Alternative for?
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GWG Having the links go somewhere local.
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GWG I want... reply on your site or mine.
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voxpelli I see, yeah, that isn't something my polyfill handles, but it's certainly doable with the indie-config code
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GWG I thought if there isn't an indie config handler..it uses whatever the fallback is in the HTML
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voxpelli GWG: by just replacing the content of this if-statement, one can have another fallback: https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/blob/master/js/webaction.js#L26
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voxpelli One do however want to load the indie-config when an action is triggered, else the user might get asked for data too early
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voxpelli Compare to how a good native app asks you for permissions, like to send push notifications, when it needs them rather than at the initial startup
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GWG voxpelli, I am still confused. If I visit an site with your polyfill and I dont have a registered webaction handler.. What happens?
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voxpelli GWG: the fallback I linked to makes it so that the link of the first child a-tag gets used instead
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voxpelli Which usually would be a link to eg. a Twitter share
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GWG voxpelli, that is what I am contemplating. How can I have a built in option instead of linking to a Twitter share?
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GWG Basically, putting a site link in there.
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voxpelli GWG: maybe add a link containing a hash? Or fork my polyfill and create a custom js-fallback? (I guess I should make a real repo for those polyfills :P)
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GWG I think you are focusing on the plumbing
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voxpelli aaronpk: how do one make a repo in the IndieWeb GitHub org? I don't think I'm a member there
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voxpelli GWG: well, currently it's a URL-based fallback so as long as you can initialize a self-hosted comment flow through a URL then it works
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voxpelli Assuming you want your
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aaronpk voxpelli: just added you
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voxpelli form hidden until needed
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GWG That is for reply. What is a self hosted like flow?
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voxpelli aaronpk: would it make sense for me to add the webaction/indie-config polyfill there?
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GWG I think the polyfill should move to the Indieweb organization, but that is just me.
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aaronpk sure
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voxpelli GWG: that's an interesting question :) A predefined response? An anonymous +1? (Exists at many sites despite it being very easy to game)
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voxpelli I'll make a note and try to get time to move it in the upcoming week or so
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voxpelli With new README etc
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voxpelli GWG: the fallbacks at my site are pretty bad apart from the reply one, pretty tricky to find good fallbacks
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GWG voxpelli, that is the one I am contemplating.. I don't necessarily want to direct people to silos
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gRegorLove You could hide the links if no indie-config
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GWG gregorlove, also an option.
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voxpelli gRegorLove: you wouldn't know that there is no indie-config until someone has clicked the button though
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gRegorLove Oh, yeah
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gRegorLove doesn't know indie-config well
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GWG thought of people up an info page
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GWG popping
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GWG Autocorrect, feh
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voxpelli One should expect there to be some kind of permissions as people likely don't want to advertise their indie identities to everyone :)
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GWG With replies, I have the WordPress comment form.
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GWG Indie identity or indieconfig support?
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GWG Browsers identify what they support all the time.
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voxpelli GWG: many people self host their own forms so one could easily identify them from their indie-config
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miklb voxpelli did you see my suggestion here in IRC for the Jekyll micropub? Something similar to Dark Matter where you can launch your own instance from GitHub on Heroku right from gh repo? At least until build a hosted solution?
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voxpelli miklb: think I missed it
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voxpelli miklb: so suggestion is to make it easy to self-host the glue on Heroku?
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miklb I think I set it as a tell when I saw shaners talk about it during IWS. Seems there is a mechanism you can add a button to the gh repo to launch instance on heroko. Yes
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miklb voxpelli exactly.
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miklb you had mentioned maybe just making that repo public to get more eyes on it, this would take it one step further.
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voxpelli miklb: yeah, been thinking about that as well, probably a good thing to target
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miklb just a thought
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voxpelli Would probably only require some minor modifications
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miklb if you are interested, I can look into how the button works, what might need to be configured
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Videos from IndieWeb Summit 2016" https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/18/7/indieweb-summit-videos
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@aaronpk @jenville Videos from IndieWeb Summit 2016 are online! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/18/7/indieweb-summit-videos https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/744268272900595712/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/744268272900595712)
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aaronpk what
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aaronpk dammit
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aaronpk #fail
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@aaronpk Videos from IndieWeb Summit 2016 are online! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/18/7/indieweb-summit-videos https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/744269006568251393/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/744269006568251393)
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GWG Voxpelli, what if repost pops up something to cut and paste?
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[shaners] What is Heroku Deploy Button?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Heroku Deploy Button" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10NK
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GWG I am eating yogurt. This is all tantek's fault
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[shaners] Heroku Deploy Button is a link that can be put on any webpage deploys a GitHub repo to Heroku with one click.
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loqi.me created /Heroku_Deploy_Button (+136) "prompted by [shaners] https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-18/line/1466282735146 and dfn added by [shaners]" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Heroku_Deploy_Button (+708) (view diff)
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[shaners] voxpelli miklb: https://indiewebcamp.com/Heroku_Deploy_Button
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Loqi [indieweb] "stephanierieger: RT @aaronpk: Videos from IndieWeb Summit 2016 are online! https://t.co/ZBxvliYYlP https://t.co/0IFsIcdqMT" by stephanierieger http://twitter.com/stephanierieger/status/744273582461620225
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aaronpk whoa how'd superfeedr pick that up?
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miklb IndieWeb mention? I think it picked up a gh commit for my personal site because it had IW in the message
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aaronpk i just didnt think superfeedr had a way to subscribe to twitter.com things
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miklb oh
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+497) "NYC2 dates are confirmed, move to Past Planning Notes, 2016-09-24..25 Brighton is looking likely, look at all 2016-12 weekends for when IWC SF possible" (view diff)
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[tantek] Looks like I'm only seeing one doable weekend in December for IWC SF
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Loqi [tantek]: GWG left you a message 3 hours, 47 minutes ago: EI146...and you didn't say anything? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-18/line/1466272298570
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[tantek] Which probably means we should poll interest and lock it down ASAP
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[tantek] Everyone in the Bay Area and who would travel for IWC SF: please add your +1/0/-1 to /Planning#San_Francisco ASAP! kylewm benwerd kevinmarks snarfed et al
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[tantek] GWG I don't get significance of 146
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[jimpick] Thanks for putting the videos up!
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[tantek] That being said, would anyone be up for and or able to get a venue in Hawaii for 2016-12-10..11?
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[shaners] That’ll be a really expensive time to do a thing in .hi.us, bc that’s the “on” season.
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[shaners] Flights are more expensiver too
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[tantek] Ok
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[tantek] How about Dec 17-18 in SF for you shaners?
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[shaners] It’s the season bc:
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[shaners] - big waves coming south from the Bering Sea, so big wave championship stuff happens on the north shore of oahu.
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[shaners] - it’s winter in the northern hemisphere but fucking gorgeous in .hi.us then
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miklb Florida is pretty nice that time of year…just sayin' 😉
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[shaners] tantek: I don’t have any 2016-12 plans yet. I don’t have any holiday travels this year either. I am a strong probably to attend then.
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[tantek] Miklb are you volunteering to organize in FL?
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[shaners] miklb: You wanna put one on then there?
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miklb Realistically, spring might be better for me. But would love to. Orlando would probably be better, would need to reach out to contacts I have there to score a venue
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[tantek] Miklb if you can get a venue say in Orlando, please note that in /Planning#Florida!
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[shaners] +1 to IWC FL
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[tantek] Whether for Dec 17-18 or 2017 Jan Feb Mar
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[tantek] Shaners you know where to add that +1 ;)
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[shaners] BUT WHAT IF I DON’T?! Then what? :stuck_out_tongue:
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[shaners] Who are the .au contingent? Have we pinged them about a 2017 IWC.au?
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miklb OK. I will start looking into a venue in Orlando in earnest for spring. 2/3 2017
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[tantek] Then we lose our faith IN THE COMMUNITY SHANERS
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[tantek] ;)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+221) "featured image, you know, for link previews" (view diff)
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[shaners] "I find your lack of faith disturbing"
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[tantek] It's true. I tend to lack a lot of faith in general. #skeptic
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@t @scottjenson next #IndieWebCamp SF likely weekend 2016-12-17…18. Add yourself & +1/0/-1: https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#San_Francisco Thanks! (ttk.me t4hq4) (twitter.com/_/status/744286566030311425)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Planning (+118) "/* Florida */" (view diff)
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[tantek] Interesting, 7/23-24 looks possibly open too
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[tantek] Might be a bit short notice but an IWC SF may be possible then if I (or someone else ahem kylewm benwerd) can secure a venue on short notice!
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[tantek] We don't currently have an IWC in July yet
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[shaners] That’s shooooort notice.
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[shaners] It’s ok if we don’t have one in July.
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[shaners] Everyone can enjoy their respective (northern hemisphere) summers.
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+227) "/* San Francisco */ one possible July date for me." (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning (-61) "Removed summit from "Planned", already under "Completed"" (view diff)
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GWG tantek, the photo you posted.
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Loqi [indieweb] "2 &#8211; Reweaving the web: A slew of startups is trying to decentralise the online world" by vasaulys http://www.economist.com/news/business/21700642-slew-startups-trying-decentralise-online-world-reweaving-web?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/reweavingtheweb