#indiewebcamp 2016-06-17

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miklb.com edited /Jekyll (+38) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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miklb.com edited /Jekyll (+121) "/* Cons */" (view diff)
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wagle whats the status of releasing an update for webmention? I wont die, but its really annoying my wordpress
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wagle to wit:
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wagle Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method Webmention_Plugin::init() should not be called statically in /var/www/html/wp/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 525
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GWG wagle: Waiting on pfefferle. I can tell you how to manually edit it until then.
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 57 minutes ago: ok I collected those things in https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/NYC2/Planning#Wiki_Pages so we can keep track and update as we get the tasks done http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-16/line/1466111934719
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wagle GWG: no real problem at the moment, if its not fixed in a week or so, I'll want to do something about it
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GWG wagle: Anything else you want?
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wagle nah, sorry if I sounded annoying, tried not to
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GWG wagle: No, I was serious. Anything else you want in the plugin?
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GWG wagle: To improve it
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wagle oh.. I installed it because it was on the list, but I havent figured it out yet.. I ran out of "set it up!" mania.. should have another bout of that in a week or so though
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GWG wagle: If you need help with any of the plugins for WordPress, I'm here.
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wagle cool! thanks!
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GWG wagle: Webmentions are the basic communication tool of the Indieweb site
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wagle I left off kinda facinated in figuring out microformat2... is that still The Thing? is there a them that supports it that doesn't squander vertical whitespace? I like stuff to fit on the screen (currently using *cough* 2010)
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wagle theme
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wagle have pointers to sempress, mf2_s and wordpress-uf2
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wagle have to find several hour slot to sit down and really understand themes and umm php
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GWG wagle, some themes try to style mf elements.
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GWG As a result, WordPress-UF2 changes the look of the theme. It shouldn't.
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GWG SemPress is a complete theme.
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GWG Mf2_s is a starter theme...no design
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GWG Starter themes are like blank canvases.
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GWG WordPress-UF2 tries to dynamically add markup, but that isn't 100%
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wagle what should I look at now (several months later) that that I'm about to start *actually blogging*?
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-17.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week#How_to
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wagle .. and as a beginner
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wagle experienced programmer though
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GWG wagle, try Independent Publisher. Someone just added Microformats 2 to it.
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wagle oh, ok
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GWG And if you find a theme you like with a developer who accepts pull requests... I would help set up basic Microformats 2 in their theme.
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wagle i use 2010 because it doesnt squander vertical whitespace (all the rage), prolly bit rotting.. I need to figure out ho to adjust the whitespace on a modern 8) theme
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wagle ok, sounds like a plan, thanks!
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GWG wagle, we have discussed doing a fork of one or more of the bundled themes.
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GWG I would consider maintaining one for 2010 if you were going to use it.
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wagle ok, lemme grok themes better first though
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wagle otherwise, it might be a waste of your time
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GWG WordPress doesn't do extensive updates to their bundled themes.
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wagle I should wake back up in a week or two
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wagle I just monitor my wordpress site, and it wanted three updates while screaming the above error over and over.. so I thought I'd ask
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wagle I'm happy to try wrapping my brain around indieweb stuff, just havent done that yet
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GWG wagle: We're all happy to help.
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wagle cool, thanks!
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GWG Not everyone is a WordPress person though.
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GWG But we're all Indieweb people
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wagle yeah, I thought about moving to octopress, but setting it up looks more annoying.. thought I'd figure wordpress out first, then figure out where to move to
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GWG wagle: As part of the WordPress group here, we need more people.
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GWG Please don't go
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wagle hahaha.. kinda sloggy on a small machine, but ok.. dont worry too much though, I'll probably have to learn enough about wordpress to be useful before wandering off to octopress or Known (?)
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miklb octopress development has been spotty at best, I'd stick with Jekyll if you explore that path
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wagle ah ok
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miklb new version was supposed to drop over a year ago, hasn't been released. Way behind Jekyll development.
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miklb but warning, making it IndieWeb is more difficult. At least when it comes to sending webmentions or supporting micropub
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wagle someone pointed me at https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com I see wat you mean
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miklb he supports micropub, so there is a lot more logic in the templates, as do I.
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wagle my keyboard is old and flaky
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miklb knows how it feels to be old and flaky
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GWG tantek: Why am I cloning Guest List to Projects List?
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tantek remember that thing where someone (you?) assumed they could RSVP to the wiki Guest_List and they were done for IndieWeb Summit?
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GWG Yes?
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GWG It was me.
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@StevenKumpe grumble grumble known grumble webmentions grumble indiepub and indieauth grumble screw it I'm going to bed (twitter.com/_/status/743662698114617344)
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gRegorLove wagle: In your wp-config you can add error_reporting(E_ALL & ~E_STRICT & ~E_NOTICE); to disable PHP's strict standards warnings. Temporary fix.
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david.shanske.com created /2016/NYC2/Projects_List (+3273) "Created page with "<div class="h-event vevent"> == <span class="p-name summary">[[2016/NYC2|IndieWeb NYC2 2016]]</span> == Please register for a ticket at http://2016.indieweb.org/NYC2 and then add..."" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/NYC2/Planning (-87) (view diff)
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GWG What did we agree we were doing pre sessions?
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david.shanske.com created /2016/NYC2/Schedule (+3852) "Created page with "__TOC__ This is the [[2016/NYC2]] IndieWebCamp NYC2 schedule The schedule is still in development and is open for suggestions based on the attendees. There will likely be some p..."" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/NYC2/Schedule (+0) "/* Saturday 2016-08-27 */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2016/NYC2/Planning (-79) (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /updated (+43) "/* Facebook */ See versioning#Facebook for details" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /versioning (+41) "/* MediaWiki */ provides a way to compare pairs of edits" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /versioning (+280) "/* Software */ DokuWiki" (view diff)
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colintedford.com created /DokuWiki (+262) "stub dfn, no indieweb examples, see also wiki" (view diff)
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@IndieWebCampDE Nächsten Mittwoch: Der #IndieWeb Hack Day — ein Kompakt-@indiewebcamp auf der @openSUSE-Konferenz. Wer ist dabei? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/IndieWeb-Hack-Day (twitter.com/_/status/743720320444440577)
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@jkphl Next Wednesday: The #IndieWeb Hack Day, a compact @IndieWebCamp as part of the @openSuse conference. Who's in? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/IndieWeb-Hack-Day (twitter.com/_/status/743720815045140480)
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@openSUSE #oSC16 is going to great. Looking forward to the @indiewebcamp Hack Day. https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampDE/status/743720320444440577 (twitter.com/_/status/743722851027410944)
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Loqi [indieweb] "A slew of startups is trying to decentralise the online world" by Brian https://btc.icymi.email/great-essay-by-econoscribe-highlights-work-of-ethereumproject-consensysllc-ipfsbot-in-re-decentralizing-the-web/
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tantek what is indiepub?!?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiepub" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10NJ
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calumryan.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-74) "/* Up-and-coming Meetings */" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+142) "/* Getting Started or Restarting */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016 (+140) "/* Videos */ found day 1 video, but without morning keynotes" (view diff)
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GWG Morning
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cweiske does anyone here host their sites on a second server for backup? how do you link to that alternative backup URL?
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sknebel cweiske: I don't, but I'd probably try to redirect DNS (or if you use Cloudflare or another CDN, their backend) and not publish a second domain. Or only link to it specifically afterwards
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sknebel cweiske: I don't have a plan for loss of domain(s) though... maybe I should spread them around between registrars a bit
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cweiske planned use case for me would be that my domain gets taken away or blocked
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cweiske so having a second domain in case the first gets blocked or lost
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sknebel oh, ok
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cweiske the second domain would have to be in a total different jurisdication
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sknebel not sure what's best there, and if pre-announcing it actually is a good idea then
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cweiske hm
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sknebel could of course serve the same site under different domains and mix them in use, but I'm not sure if people would remember that anyways when they can't reach your site. + potential for confusion
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sknebel for popular sites like sci-hub they can spread the word relatively quickly, not sure how well that works/how important that is for a private site
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@jgmac1106 Here is @wiobyrne's and my talk on building content creators in K12 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Rugtj3mKALLqyNXja35psBxAyehQL7cgeraWr2f2Mbo/edit?usp=sharing #edchat #indieweb #teachtheweb #edtechchat (twitter.com/_/status/743804788123533312)
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[kevinmarks] Rel="alternate" and rel="canonical" is established practice for linking to your other domains
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[kevinmarks] Though not sure if that is respected by googlebot if they are domains rather than subdomains
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Loqi [indieweb] "From an indieweb perspective, it's probably far easier, more productive, and better interface hypothes.is both accepted the webmention protocol as well as sending webmentions. This" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/from-an-indieweb-perspective-its-probably-far-easier-more-productive
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sknebel hm, suddenly I'm logged into the wiki even if not visiting via HTTP... did something change there, or are I'm just imagining that log-in was HTTPS-only before?
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aaronpk login has been https-only, pretty sure that didn't change recently
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sknebel aaronpk: I thought as a consequence the logged-in state was also limited to the HTTPS version of the site
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aaronpk it should be yes
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sknebel I have a session over HTTP
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aaronpk what page are you on?
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www.svenknebel.de edited /User:Www.svenknebel.de (+6) "test: editing my page over HTTP" (view diff)
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aaronpk i just logged in and now i'm also logged in via http. maybe I did change the config the other day.
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KartikPrabhu is that not bad for security reasons?
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aaronpk hm, $wgSecureLogin is still set to true
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aaronpk oh that's just whether it should redirect to https when signing in
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aaronpk now i can't find the setting
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aaronpk mediawiki is such a mess 😭
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sknebel over HTTPS I have "indiewebcampUserID" and "indiewebcampUserName" cookies with "secure" flag, but indiewebcamp_session isn't secured
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aaronpk it looks like it should be https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCookieHttpOnly
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aaronpk which i thought was set, but it's not in there, and not even commented out
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sknebel aaronpk: you want https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCookieSecure
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sknebel I think
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aaronpk that looks right
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aaronpk didn't seem to help tho
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sknebel aaronpk: after logging out and deleting cookies it worked
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sknebel now have a properly configured cookie
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/743799765566054410
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@iamdevloper > i should write a blog post > don’t like my current blogging engine > could build one *builds blogging engine* > could blog about that (twitter.com/_/status/743799765566054410)
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aaronpk k cool
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aaronpk ah i didn't delete my cookies between tests, just logged out
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sknebel session cookie sticks around after logout
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sknebel and probably isn't replaced if it exists... or something
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aaronpk some day i'll be able to 301 all the http urls to https
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hypothes.is and the IndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/06/17/hypothes-is-and-the-indieweb/
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@ChrisAldrich Hypothes.is annotations and the #IndieWeb http://boffosocko.com/2016/06/17/hypothes-is-and-the-indieweb/ ht @krisshaffer https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/743863085815861248/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/743863085815861248)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hypothes.is and the IndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich https://chrisaldrich.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/hypothes-is-and-the-indieweb/
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Loqi [indieweb] ""Hypothes.is and the IndieWeb" in Boffo Socko" by ChrisAldrich https://medium.com/boffo-socko/hypothes-is-and-the-indieweb-427b9e577161?source=rss-f9e3747f5480------2
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GWG Afternoon
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Hypothes.is Notebook by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/research/hypothes-is-notebook/#comment-30980
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[kevinmarks] Gillmor Gang time
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[kevinmarks] What is this week?
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWebCamp community https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week
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aaronpk sneak peek of this week's: http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-17.html
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gRegorLove Looks like Posts about the Indieweb is catching stuff from last week, like Shane's first post?
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aaronpk huh yeah looks like the time range is a bit off
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aaronpk oh oops. turns out the date it uses for filtering stuff like that is 7 days before the time the script was run, not the actual week time window :facepalm:
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gRegorLove hehe
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gRegorLove Would it be difficult or cause problems to show the p-summary if there's no dfn, like for the hwc event pages?
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aaronpk for what?
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gRegorLove the /this-week email
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gRegorLove New Wiki Pages
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aaronpk that *is* the p-summary
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aaronpk the wiki adds p-summary around the sentence the <dfn> tag is in
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aaronpk the script that generate /this-week is just parsing the mf2 on the wiki pages
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gRegorLove ? events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club doesn't show a p-summary in the latest version of the email under new wiki pages
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gRegorLove The event pages use explicit p-summary, but no dfn
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aaronpk oh, so your question is actually this: why don't the events under "new wiki pages" show the summary
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gRegorLove Sure :)
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GWG Anyone willing to comment on a microformats 2 job I'm fiddling with?
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aaronpk the answer is because right now it's only looking for h-entry, not h-event. i can change that.
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-17.html
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GWG I've re-forked _s and I'm just putting in the microformats 2 changes. I think since they closed my request to WordPress Core, thye might be willing to consider the structural changes.
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aaronparecki.com deleted /Pingpad "does not appear to be a Slack app, and relationship to indieweb is unclear. Feel free to re-add with an "indieweb examples" section."
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[kevinmarks] It was an example of paralleling our chat/wiki model
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aaronpk sorry, I didn't see the connection at all
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-17.html
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[kevinmarks] I do need to expand on that
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: I'll take a look at it later tonight; just heading out now for part of the afternoon; anything particular you think you're missing?
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm Pacific time. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-17.html
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I submitted it as a preliminary PR to _s.
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calumryan for /this-week email - no Brighton HWC this week but popup London
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GWG I'm not sure what I missed.
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Loqi calumryan: tantek left you a message 1 day, 21 hours ago: forgot to mention at HWC London - MozFest is coming up (once again in Ravensbourne), submit session/speaking proposals: https://mozillafestival.org/proposals ASAP! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-15/line/1466033461993
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-17.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/743914882706214912/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/743914882706214912)
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: I've been meaning to make a "manual" for common additions to themes to try to make it easier for themers to add mf2; also might be worth reaching out to wpordpress book authors to update with sections for mf2 as well
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GWG I want to update WordPress-UF2.
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GWG But doing this, and talking to davidakennedy about the PR made me realize a few things
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gRegorLove Loqi probably doesn't pick up PuSH if we're using our own hub URL on superfeedr, I'm guessing
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Loqi is done
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aaronpk not really sure
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aaronpk Loqi is using the superfeedr "tracker"
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk which claims to find lots of things
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[kevinmarks] kylewm++ for getting on Reply All
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Loqi kylewm has 339 karma
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aaronpk wait whaT?!
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[kevinmarks] Reply All: #68 Vampire Rules http://cdn.panoply.fm/GLT8277010860.mp3 [00:17:15]
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aaronpk oh gosh i will have to listen to that
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gRegorLove They used a tweet he sent for their "yes yes no" segment.
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk i saw that tweet in my indie reader ;-)
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[kevinmarks] Weird as the timestamp I have is 22:06
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gRegorLove http://gregorlove.com/2016/06/i-am-tinkering-with-the/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] I am tinkering with the user-customized CSS for the indiewebcamp.com wiki and thought I would share.
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www.svenknebel.de edited /User:Www.svenknebel.de (+105) "updating itches" (view diff)
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aaronpk gRegorLove++ that's great
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Loqi gRegorLove has 71 karma
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aaronpk you should add a before and after screenshot to the post
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Loqi I agree
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miklb.com edited /User:Miklb.com/common.css (+544) (view diff)
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miklb likewise :)
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gRegorLove Updated with screenshots: http://gregorlove.com/2016/06/i-am-tinkering-with-the/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] I am tinkering with the user-customized CSS for the indiewebcamp.com wiki and thought I would share.
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gRegorLove I definitely like the orange links in the page content, makes them pop more. Sidebar might be too dense for that color though.
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gRegorLove Orange links fail most WCAG color contrast accessibility though
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gRegorLove (in before kevinmarks!)