#indiewebcamp 2016-06-24

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[shaners] tantek: Maybe my memory is wrong about this (bc memory is fuzzy) but I thought you were one of the people in the room at Leaders Summit 2016 that agreed the website is a wall of text and needs to be redesigned to be more inviting to new people / next generation. Am I wrong about that?
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tantek shaners, it's too late to confirm or not. will see if I can restore some memories overnight.
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gregorlove.com created /there_to_watch_right_now (+39) "prompted by aaronpk" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+49) "/* change to -1 on chat subdirectory to be clearer */" (view diff)
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tantek oh no
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tantek (on the there to ...
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tantek )
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aaronpk lol gRegorLove
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gRegorLove what is there to watch right now?
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Loqi Videos about the indieweb are a great way to get a quick visual introduction to what is the Indie Web, why we need it, and how you can make a difference for yourself, and others https://indiewebcamp.com/there_to_watch_right_now
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tantek I want video embeds there
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+104) "/* slack subdomain */" (view diff)
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tantek what do I have to do to enable iframe and video tags?
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aaronpk i disagree, multiple video embeds on a page make the page load slow and look bad
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tantek well maybe just one then :)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+103) "/* move to a page on new chat logs */" (view diff)
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tantek that then I can script oto change
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+54) "/* +1 news subdomain */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ you can have multiple if you do posters and prelaod false
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tantek true!
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+52) "/* -1 news subdirectory */" (view diff)
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[shaners] will allowing iframe tags on the wiki open us up to spam/phishing/malware/etc?
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gRegorLove I'm making a separate voting section for "URL paths of chat logs" to help clean up those votes, if that's cool. I won't move any votes, though.
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[shaners] +1 gregorlove
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aaronpk gRegorLove: thanks, i was about to do that
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aaronpk gRegorLove: this is what i had typed so far https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/feb5188832f1c036f990953ff65b883f
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aaronpk feel free to steal
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+27) "/* leave it at news.indiewebcamp.com */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+101) "/* -1 move to gazette.p3k.io */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+26) "/* newsletter subdomain */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+26) "/* just keep this-week subdirectory */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+127) "/* -1 consolidate with news.indiewebcamp.com */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+976) "/* chat subdirectory */ new section === URL paths of chat logs ===" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Have a look ^ Not sure what to do with tantek's details under chat subdirectory now. Just remove?
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[shaners] Here’s a confusion / frustration of mine with MediaWiki. I want to experiment with the style of a page on the wiki. But I can’t add a style tag. I have to use inline styles on html. What are my options other than that?
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[shaners] If it was Just A Webpage™, I could just use CSS. This is an example of wiki Inessential Weirdness™.
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gRegorLove I think there's a config setting that could enable <style>
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gRegorLove Or you could edit your custom CSS under Preferences > Appearance
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gRegorLove That's not page-specific, of course. But see some of my work: http://gregorlove.com/2016/06/i-am-tinkering-with-the/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] I am tinkering with the user-customized CSS for the indiewebcamp.com wiki and thought I would share.
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+264) "/* chat subdirectory */ commented out details that have been captured in new section. "Updated" notice at top to revise votes." (view diff)
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[shaners] gregorlove: Are those CSS changes only applied to your viewing experience while you’re logged in? Or to your wiki user page for everyone?
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gRegorLove !tell tantek,aaronpk,gwg,bear,kylewm,shaners See the simplified/separated voting sections here and revise your votes as necessary please: https://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb#chat_subdirectory
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove [shaners]: Just mine, while logged in.
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aaronpk I thought I installed a plugin that enables a <raw> tag so you can put html inside
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bear k
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aaronpk try that
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[shaners] oh right. <raw>
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Loqi [shaners]: gRegorLove left you a message 1 minute ago: See the simplified/separated voting sections here and revise your votes as necessary please: https://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb#chat_subdirectory http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-23/line/1466729235642
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+140) "/* URL paths of chat logs */ note rejected archiving of off-topic chat" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (-20) "/* chat subdirectory */ clarify my vote, just for subdirectory" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+14) "/* short scheme (imply "indieweb") */ vote" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+79) "/* long scheme */ vote" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+62) "/* short scheme (imply "indieweb") */ vote" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+21) "/* long scheme */ vote" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+112) "/* news subdomain */ vote" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (-70) "/* -1 chat subdirectory */" (view diff)
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[shaners] will do
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+118) "/* +1 short scheme (imply "indieweb") */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+139) "/* new name for off topic channel */ vote" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+32) "/* -1 long scheme */" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+322) "/* new name for off topic channel */" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Or do css experiments in chrome inspector?
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[shaners] kevinmarks: I lose them all on a refresh or click.
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+8) "/* chat subdirectory */ commented out note that's captured in new section" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (-90) "/* new name for off topic channel */ change votes" (view diff)
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[shaners] bear: is your cat on your keyboard?
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bear *sigh* yea, he's decided that the laptop is a good sleeping pad
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[shaners] smart cat
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GWG aaronpk: T-shirt is in the house
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Loqi GWG: gRegorLove left you a message 54 minutes ago: See the simplified/separated voting sections here and revise your votes as necessary please: https://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb#chat_subdirectory http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-23/line/1466729235642
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[shaners] What is h-card as a service?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "h-card as a service" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Nb
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[shaners] h-card as a service is a website built by {{veganstraightedge}} to prototype the idea of replacing wiki profile pages with a simple form with fields for commonly used properties (name, url, photo, etc) already used by several people on the wiki which could be used as a single point of lookup for people’s h-card info. It also shows the h-card markup on a person’s profile page which could be copy/pasted onto one’s website.
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loqi.me created /h-card_as_a_service (+457) "prompted by [shaners] https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-23/line/1466732666688 and dfn added by [shaners]" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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GWG I like the idea of h-card as a service.
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (+42) "Add URL" (view diff)
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[shaners] I built a little website which is basically an h-card page builder.
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[shaners] Its URL is https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com
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gRegorLove Related (and MediaWiki specific), see https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:Infobox_person
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[shaners] Please play with it and leave feedback on the wiki
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gRegorLove shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 44 karma
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[shaners] gregorlove: I saw that. It’s certainly an improvement of mediawiki profiles. But I think the assumption that we ask people to use mediawiki free form text for what is largely structured data common between lots of profiles is the wrong way to go.
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[shaners] I don’t want a faster horse. I want a car. (If you will.)
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Loqi gives [shaners] a car
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[shaners] THANKS LOQI
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Loqi you're welcome
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aaronpk GWG: hooray! A day early even!
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (+413) "Add TODO" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (+70) "Update TODO" (view diff)
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[shaners] Goodnight, <!channel>. I would appreciate feedback on https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com on /h-card-as-a-service
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Loqi gute nacht!
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[kevinmarks] Is it supposed to import the h-card from the url?
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aaronpk Yes
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kylewm Didn't import anything for me
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Loqi kylewm: gRegorLove left you a message 1 hour, 24 minutes ago: See the simplified/separated voting sections here and revise your votes as necessary please: https://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb#chat_subdirectory http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-23/line/1466729235642
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colintedford Vector's html & css are...a bit curious at first glance.
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colintedford ...or at first experimental tweak, anyway.
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colintedford <body> renders shorter than its contents o_0
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-24.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week#How_to
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ignite.digitalignition.net edited /User:Ignite.digitalignition.net (+52) (view diff)
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aaronpk lol!
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aaronpk "rename to IndieWeb 85 edits by aaronparecki.com, tantek.com, gregorlove.com, david.shanske.com, kylewm.com, bear.im and veganstraightedge.com"
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aaronpk colintedford: what do you mean "renders shorter than its contents"?
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colintedford aaronpk: It obviously looks fine, but when I look at it in Firefox's inspector, the <body> is 400+ or 600+ px (maybe taking the viewable height?) as shown by a little inspector popup thingy, and I'm able to scroll past the blue highlight showing its area.
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colintedford Whereas one of the main content divs shwos as 300+ px tall.
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colintedford Not sure if that matters, but it surprised me.
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colintedford s/shwos/shows
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colintedford s/300/3000
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Loqi !calc s/300/3000
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colintedford Also, using the inspector to limit the width of <body> still leaves a bunch of stuff hanging out the sides.
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aaronpk ah strange
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aaronpk well i suspect some of those weird things will disappear after i upgrade the wiki to a new mediawiki version and get a new version of the skin
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colintedford Ohhh, I mistakenly thought we were on the new version already.
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ignite.digitalignition.net edited /User:Ignite.digitalignition.net (+1) (view diff)
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Ruxton is there a libravatar or gravatar mediawiki plugin installed on the wiki?
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colintedford I'll just make some notes for now.
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colintedford Ruxton: if there is, it's not in use.
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aaronpk for what purpose?
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aaronpk (re: gravatar)
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Ruxton to output avatars, obviously the preference is libravatar
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Ruxton there's a few year old mediawiki plugin but looks to fall short
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Ruxton context: https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:Infobox_person this was made and I figured "why should I have to enter photo url if I supply a url"
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david.shanske.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+39) "/* V2: rename to #indieweb-offtopic */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme not perfect, but not bad for a first, quick pass at adding MF2 to hubzilla.. https://macgirvin.com/channel/mike (project maintainer's site)
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aaronpk Ruxton: the best option would be to get the avatar from your home page, not from libravatar
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aaronpk that's part of what the "h-card service" shaners is talking about is for
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aaronparecki.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+259) "/* URL paths of chat logs */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme so many possible options with the rename
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: yeah, i'm not totally convinced that that kind of thing should be decided by a piecemeal vote
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GWG kylewm: How about if those responsible for voting have to be more involved?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, there should be some consistancy to it
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kylewm I think I'd prefer if it was just like an up or down vote on a proposal for July 4th
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GWG Good point
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gRegorLove Most of it's optional for moving indiewebcamp.com => indieweb.org... subdomains could just be moved to indieweb.org as-is
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GWG We need field testing from people who are outside our bubble.
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aaronpk The only thing we really need to decide now is the chat URLs since multiple channels don't fit in the current structure
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gRegorLove indieweb.org/irc/ and indieweb.org/irc/dev/?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Tantek: microformats.org at 11" https://dragplus.com/post/id/36391938
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Loqi [indieweb] "Tantek: microformats.org at 11" https://dragplus.com/post/id/36375228
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Loqi [indieweb] "Tantek: microformats.org at 11" https://dragplus.com/post/id/36375229
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm def for dropping the "irc" label
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ben_thatmustbeme i agree with aaronpk that /chat/dev/<date> starts to look a bit long
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gRegorLove Sure, but that's still an optional detail for switching the domains.
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gRegorLove Just thinking out loud. I don't have strong opinions on most of it. And for some of it it feels weird voting for work other people will probably have to do :)
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kylewm +1
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kylewm votes ironically
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gRegorLove haha
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snarfed are we voting on brexit here? can i vote remain?
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snarfed oh wait nevermind :P
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snarfed :cry:
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GWG snarfed: We're voting for Indieweb Idol.
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ben_thatmustbeme pulls out a microphone!
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ben_thatmustbeme this really should move to chat / offtopic at this point though :P
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GWG This is weird... http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=view-source%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fstream.boffosocko.com%2F2016%2Fdavid-this-is-some-excellent-code-for-adding-some-microformats
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GWG The code is there...wonder what is stopping it.
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ben_thatmustbeme because the url you put in is "view-source:"
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GWG Oops.
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GWG It must be late
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GWG I was trying to see why my site didn't pick it up as a reply.
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GWG It picked it up as a mention
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm waiting on one last PR that was just accepted to make it to a HubZilla server, so i can have a first instance of pulling in one of their posts as context
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ben_thatmustbeme hey, its a first step
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aaronpk I do think maybe voting on this level of detail is a bit overkill
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i agree
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aaronpk I think Tantek wanted to make sure other people felt like they were part of the discussion
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe we should clump them in to 2 or 3 proposals
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aaronpk Well one way or the other this weekend I'm going to work on the new chat stuff
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colintedford Well, it looks like most of the chat details have clear consensus anyway -- the only one that needs a decision is subdomain vs subdirectory.
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWebCamp Germany 2015" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/59421601
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Loqi [indieweb] "User Identifiers: Domains, EMail or Phone Numbers?!" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/59674472
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Loqi [indieweb] "Will Medium own blogging and why does content move towards silos?!" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/67312387
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Loqi [indieweb] "phpADNSite is becoming a true PESOS system" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/67368938
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Loqi [indieweb] "Phone Numbers and the IndieWeb" https://lukasrosenstock.net/post/60002190
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Loqi [indieweb] "Tantek Çelik: microformats.org at 11" http://tantek.com/2016/173/b1/microformats-org-at-11
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Loqi [indieweb] "Interdisciplinary Open Source Community Conferences" by Max Ogden http://maxogden.com/interdisciplinary-open-source-events.html
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GWG Morning
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Loqi [indieweb] "Do Facebook Instant Articles Support The Open Web... or Facebook's Walled Garden?" by Dan York http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DisruptiveConversations/~3/3v_6mljmFNY/do-facebook-instant-articles-support-the-open-web-or-facebooks-walled-garden.html
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GWG Pfefferle, if you are around, wanted to ask again if you can't get to the PR, can you push the fix for the static function error. If the plugin throws errors, it may scare people away.
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2016" https://beyondtellerrand.com/blog/indiewebcamp-duesseldorf-2016
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@jkphl @webrocker There's supposed to be an @indiewebcamp in Brighton in late September ... You never know! ;) +@Wordridden (twitter.com/_/status/746366703689433092)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@robinberjon @marcosc's right, it's dropped.
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@t @robinberjon @marcosc's right, it's dropped. Microdata ~dead. No community. #IndieWeb uses @microformats. SEOs ... http://tantek.com/2016/176/t1/microdata-dead-no-community-seos-fickle (twitter.com/_/status/746371489021071362)
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kylewm.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+16) "/* chat subdirectory */ change my vote to +0" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+183) "/* URL paths of chat logs */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+223) "/* move to gazette.p3k.io */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+110) "/* where to put newsletter */" (view diff)
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@t @robinberjon @marcosc incubated like recent doings in @W3C @microformats @indiewebcamp. Implement before WD etc. ... http://tantek.com/2016/176/t2/ignore-stuff-not-incubated (twitter.com/_/status/746383159650983936)
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@t @robinberjon @marcosc incubated like recent doings in @W3C @microformats @indiewebcamp. Implement before WD etc. ... http://tantek.com/2016/176/t3/incubated-like-w3c-microformats-indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/746383828483137537)
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aaronpk at least the chat URL part has pretty much consensus. I'll try to build it in a way where it doesn't care whether it's at a subdomain or subdirectory.
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bear good nginx rules can hide that
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aaronpk it's a little bit about app architecture too. the way i normally do it is i have a global variable that says "here is the base URL you're installed at" and any time i need to write a URL to the page I build it from the base URL
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bear nods
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bear the nginx can hide the subdomain or not issue and a common root path
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bear so you can make the app only deal with the routes that are app related
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aaronpk ah yeah
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aaronpk right now it's just .php files tho so even easier
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bear chuckles
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aaronpk i have some nginx rules to match the URL patterns but they route to specific php files
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bear yea, it boils down to a location block other than / that does the proxy_pass
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[kylewm] nginx can do that but your app has to know it’s in a subdirectory to construct urls properly
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bear sure, but I kinda consider "baseurl" something all good web apps do
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bear at least ones that are written to live behind a webserver - not going to comment on people who put nodejs apps directly on the internest
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bear s/internest/internets/
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Loqi bear meant to say: at least ones that are written to live behind a webserver - not going to comment on people who put nodejs apps directly on the internets
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aaronpk lol
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[kylewm] :smile:
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KevinMarks1 it me
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KevinMarks1 did indieauth deprecate google plus?
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kevinmarks.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+163) "/* docs subdomain */" (view diff)
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aaronpk not intentionally, but g+ switched up their HTML again i think
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kevinmarks.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+440) "/* chat subdomain */" (view diff)
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aaronpk KevinMarks1: you need a template
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aaronpk oh you have one
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aaronparecki.com edited /rename_to_IndieWeb (+105) "/* where to put IRC logs */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks1 what did I do wrong? I did ~~~
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aaronpk aha, that's why it expanded
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aaronpk meh, just looks cleaner in the source of the page to use {{kevinmarks}}
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KevinMarks1 ah, OK
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KevinMarks1 chat.indieweb.org could get cookies from indieweb.org, right? so a wiki login could transfer to chat without chat cookies hitting the wiki
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aaronpk yeah
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KevinMarks1 seems like that is an argument for a subdomain
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aaronpk separately from moving to indieweb.org, i'm planning on rebuilding the wiki login as a totally separate application where all it does is set a cookie, and the wiki (and other sites like chat) can read that cookie to know who's logged in
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KevinMarks1 do I need to vote on all of these? I mostly agree with consensus
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GWG KevinMarks, what is the consensus?
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aaronpk some of them are entirely +1 or -1
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KevinMarks1 that makes sense as a login model
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KevinMarks1 and then the sub-apps can have their own cookies and not collide
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ben_thatmustbeme it really is a higher lever than just chat.indieweb.org or indieweb.org/chat/ .... its really across a number of things
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ben_thatmustbeme subdomain or not subdomain?
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ben_thatmustbeme we should be consistant throughout
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Loqi +1
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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aaronpk what is?
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aaronpk login?
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ben_thatmustbeme the entire discussion i mean
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ben_thatmustbeme login issues would be a con to using subdomains
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[kylewm] "all it does is set a cookie” <— you can share that cookie across subdomains??
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aaronpk i don't think consistency for consistency sake is valuable
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ben_thatmustbeme wiki namespace conflicts would be a pro for using subdomains though
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aaronpk [kylewm]: yeah you can make cookies available to subdomains
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aaronpk foo.example.com can't set a cookie at *.example.com but example.com can
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: not sure i understand what you mean by "login issues would be a con to using subdomains"
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ben_thatmustbeme having issues with logins working across subdomains
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aaronpk is there a specific issue you're talking about?
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[kylewm] aaronpk: so auth.indieweb.org couldn’t set a login cookie for indieweb.org
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[kylewm] right?
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aaronpk correct, it'd have to be indieweb.org/auth/ i guess
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bear correct - indieweb.org/auth can set a *.indieweb.org tho
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bear that pattern i've used a lot - apex domain is used for landing page + auth -- everything else is a subdomain
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: this discussion of working out setting a cookie across subdomains IS the issue, its getting to plumbing issues, i'm just saying that there exist plumbing issues and thus adds complexity, thus i would say a con
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ben_thatmustbeme but does that outweigh having a bunch of namespace conflicts with the wiki
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit notes" http://www.kevin-marks.com/iwc2016-06-04.html
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Loqi [indieweb] "Shane Becker - Dark Matter and the #IndieWeb" http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/05/12/dark-matter-and-the-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Camp Nürnberg notes" http://www.kevin-marks.com/indiewebcampnuremberg2016.html
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aaronpk i dunno, it's not that complicated and there are easy and established solutions, so it's not really adding complexity
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ben_thatmustbeme other orgs put wikis in a /wiki/ namespace to prevent these kind of issues
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i'll take your word for it since you would be the one doing the work then :P
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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[kevinmarks] I thought that subdomains can set a cookie at root domains, and see both root and theirs, but can't see each others'
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aaronpk right, so auth.indieweb.org can't set a cookie that is visible to chat.indieweb.org
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bear depends on the name match -- (from the RFC) "A is a HDN string and has the form NB, where N is a non-empty name string, B has the form .B’, and B’ is a HDN string. (So, x.y.com domain-matches .Y.com but not Y.com.)"
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KevinMarks1 it can if it puts it at indieweb.org
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bear so .indieweb.org could be seen by [auth|chat].indieweb.org
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bear (I should stop tho - my cookie knowledge may not be current as I last worried about this like 5 yrs ago)
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ben_thatmustbeme auth.indieweb.org can set one for .indieweb.org, which any other subdomain can see, (including www.indieweb.org) but NOT the non-subdomain version http://indieweb.org/ at least from my understanding of it
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bear :) - this is when I toss up the bike-shed flag at work and remind my team to return to their todo lists
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bear we will find out after the sub or not decision is made
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aaronpk the login thing is totally unrelated to the july 4 launch anyway
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aaronpk so no rush
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aaronpk it's tied to the wiki upgrade
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aaronpk (cause upgrading the indieauth plugin to new mediawiki version is not fun work)
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bear :)
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bear that is a good reason to have an auth app set a token
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aaronpk starts a page on wiki upgrade
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bear even if it's a wiki special case token
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bear err cookie with a token
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aaronpk yep, i should have done that originally
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aaronpk except if I did, indieauth.com probably wouldn't exist
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bear that's why we refactor and iterate
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aaronpk what is MediaWiki upgrade?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "MediaWiki upgrade" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Nc
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aaronpk MediaWiki upgrade is a project to upgrade the IndieWeb wiki to a modern version of MediaWiki.
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loqi.me created /MediaWiki_upgrade (+120) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-24/line/1466792760449 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Related: /mediawiki-customization
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aaronparecki.com edited /MediaWiki_upgrade (+2414) "list plugins in use, and document new login strategy" (view diff)
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aaronpk if anyone wants a "fun" task, please try to find which pages use each of these plugins so we can reevalutate whether they are actually necessary http://indiewebcamp.com/MediaWiki_upgrade
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aaronpk probably the easiest way is to download the source text of all the pages and grep them https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/backup/data/
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KevinMarks1 what is content addressing?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "content addressing" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Nd
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KevinMarks1 content addressing is a way of looking up pages or files by hashes of their contents rather than the URL of their origin server.
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loqi.me created /content_addressing (+155) "prompted by KevinMarks1 https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-24/line/1466793645061 and dfn added by KevinMarks1" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kylewm.com edited /MediaWiki_upgrade (+49) "note NOTITLE is used on userpages." (view diff)
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KevinMarks1 right, I want to gather all these hash-things and see if they can be converged
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kylewm.com moved /camlistore to /Camlistore "canonical capitalization"
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[kylewm] can we have a vote on case sensitivity on the wiki? >:)
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aaronpk ugh
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme actually i really wish that case didn't matter
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ben_thatmustbeme but... meh
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[kylewm] +1
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aaronpk https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Case_sensitivity_of_page_names
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aaronpk one of the problems is that in mediawiki, the first letter of every page name is capitalized
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[kylewm] that would be annoying for gRegorLove ...
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aaronpk and iOS
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gRegorLove Haha
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aaronpk [kylewm]: can you document the way you *want* mediawiki to handle case?
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aaronpk cause it's entirely possible that a combination of settings and css can make it work the way we want
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aaronpk but starting out with "x is bad" is not a good way to approach the problem
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gRegorLove Could cause problems with all the case-redirects we have
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gRegorLove ...to turn it off at this point, I mean.
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't see any real use-cases for case sensitivity though
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ben_thatmustbeme and i'm not talking about autocorrecting case, its just for searching and uniqueness, why would gRegorLove have a problem with that
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[kylewm] starting out at “x is bad” is necessary in order to define the problem
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[kylewm] if there were no problem, there would be no discussion
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gRegorLove kylewm: Was the problem you went to /camlistore and there was nothing?
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[kylewm] no, I went to /Camlistore and there was nothing
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aaronpk i'm just saying it's very easy for everyone to agree that "x is bad" and then for nothing to actually happen
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gRegorLove Oh, right. Misread.
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gRegorLove I know shaners runs into that a fair bit too. E.g. /Planning at the leader summit
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ben_thatmustbeme i run in to it all the time
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aaronpk and yeah we can't just flip the switch, we'd have to delete all the case redirects first
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gRegorLove I like something like https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Case_sensitivity_of_page_names#Auto_redirect more than turning off case-sensitivity
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aaronpk this is the setting we are using: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks = false
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gRegorLove Hm. Seems like a good setting. I dunno.
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aaronpk auto redirect sounds great
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, but that should be pretty easy to find though https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:ListRedirects&limit=500&offset=1500
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ben_thatmustbeme although there are 1873 redirects
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aaronpk rather than jumping to a solution, what's the actual problem
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aaronpk it sounds like the actual problem is being surprised that a page doesn't exist when it actually exists with a different capitalization
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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ben_thatmustbeme and then trying to find it
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gRegorLove Problem: typing in indiewebcamp.com/planning and expecting it to work. (It's fixed now)
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ben_thatmustbeme auto-redirect would work fine as a solution for that
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[kylewm] yeah, it’s nice to be able to define the proper capitalization of topics. I would just like it if it was smart about missing pages
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aaronpk great, so feel free to look around for an extension that does that. chances are someone else has had the same problem.
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[kylewm] Cool, I will do that after the upgrade
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[kylewm] no point in introducing complexity now
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aaronpk sure thing. add a note to the upgrade page maybe so we don't forget?
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gregorlove.com edited /Camlistore (+79) "link to session, see also" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-24.html
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aaronpk oh! it's that time again
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gRegorLove Is there a photo for your OSbridge talk?
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aaronpk there's a video
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aaronpk osbridge tweeted a photo
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/osbridge/status/745680124973047809
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@osbridge Where did the blogs go? @aaronpk #osb16 #osbridge [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/745680124973047809)
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bear did the video with the better sound go up yet?
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aaronpk nope, i won't have the audio until they upload it to their site
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: you post the bad sound video?
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aaronpk let's see how quick i can do this
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bear if you run NodeJS in production ... https://nodejs.org/en/blog/vulnerability/june-2016-security-releases/
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-06-22-standardizing-the-social-web (+203) "add links" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm Pacific time. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-24.html
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gRegorLove Still need to update the logo in his-week :)
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gRegorLove s/his-/this-
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: Still need to update the logo in this-week :)
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aaronpk orly
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aaronpk i tried changing it in mailchimp
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aaronpk oh shoot, i made the event page then forgot to link it from /events
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aaronpk so the photo didn't get into the newsletter
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gRegorLove Yep, was just about to link it up (and archive past events)
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aaronpk k well now it's at least in the HTML file that's about to get tweeted
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-24.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-24.html (twitter.com/_/status/746451589171286016)
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aaronpk good timing lol
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aaronpk ooh except i broke tweeting the photo 😢
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snarfed btw for the twitter part of the rename, even if we can't get @indieweb, we can still change the account's name to IndieWeb
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aaronpk 👍
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snarfed which may be more important branding wise, since twitter emphasizes name and de-emphasizes handle in rendering
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gRegorLove We mayyy also have access to twitter.com/IndieWeBorg
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KevinMarks hm, spam comments on werd.io http://werd.io/2016/stop-writing-specs-start-finding-needs---what-ive-learned
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Loqi [Ben Werdmüller] Stop writing specs, start finding needs - what I've learned working on Known
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gRegorLove Yeah, local comment spam
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gRegorLove Think there's been several
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KevinMarks Indie We Borg?
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gRegorLove That was the joke, yeah
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KevinMarks is this like Weblog to We Blog ?
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gRegorLove tantek grabbed it when we were talking about the downsides of handles like indieweb_org
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bear at least with IndieWebOrg we can have the display name be IndieWeb.org
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gRegorLove Interesting. Mediawiki doesn't do 302 redirects for the redirect pages, but displays the destination page and adds the right rel=canonical
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aaronpk that's a whole nother rabbit hole
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aaronpk https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Redirect302
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aaronpk iirc we enabled it briefly and then it caused other problems
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gRegorLove Shouldn't be a problem, but I wonder if it'd be better if the address bar always displayed the "right" capitalization. Yeah, just saw that extension ^
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gRegorLove Ah, ok
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KevinMarks did someone mention a micropub to github adaptor?
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KevinMarks silo.pub says it does it
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KevinMarks not clear how I tell it which repo to use
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[kylewm] https://silo.pub/developers#vocab-github
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KevinMarks oh, it's for issues. I thought I could post new pages to a repo with it
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KevinMarks add a link to that on the login success page?
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KevinMarks !tell voxpelli - duplicate comments here - is that you or brid.gy? http://www.kevinmarks.com/decentralweb2016-06-08.html
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli KevinMarks: good question, maybe even a combo, I'll see if I can give it a look tomorrow
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Loqi voxpelli: KevinMarks left you a message 4 minutes ago: - duplicate comments here - is that you or brid.gy? http://www.kevinmarks.com/decentralweb2016-06-08.html http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-24/line/1466806062067
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[kylewm] I would seriously welcome contributions to silo.pub to add gh-pages support
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[kylewm] I wouldn’t know how to do it myself
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voxpelli [kylewm]: I have a service that can do Micropub to GH-pages
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[kylewm] oh nice, there you go KevinMarks^
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KevinMarks oh, where's that?
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voxpelli KevinMarks: Oh, I haven't completed a signup interface yet :P
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voxpelli Has had a thought to this weekend try and make it easy to self host on Heroku
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voxpelli It's https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express combined with https://github.com/voxpelli/node-github-publish and some formatting
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aaronpk Maybe I should livestream myself coding the new chat logs this weekend lol
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bear I know I would love to be involved in any thought stream you have for that
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bear I don't code php so will be of little help, but would be glad to help any other way
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aaronpk Cool
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snarfed hey acegiak pfefferle, i'm looking at adding a feature to semantic linkbacks, and your two forks are diverged. which one should i use? :P
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aaronpk Two forks diverged in a code base, and I took the one less ... used in production?
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snarfed lol
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snarfed at least they've stayed mostly diverged for years now, which means they're...mature?
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aaronpk https://gist.github.com/theanalyst/4270675/72f688dcf71b842de67af3f04262a837d5a37375
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snarfed heh
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tantek yay bnvk is back on the wiki!
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Loqi tantek: gRegorLove left you a message 23 hours, 3 minutes ago: See the simplified/separated voting sections here and revise your votes as necessary please: https://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb#chat_subdirectory http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-23/line/1466729235642
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Loqi woot
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bnvk tantek: :)
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bnvk wonders why {{bnvk}} didn't make his picture show up like everyone else... I'm sure there is some new widget-template-dinga that I need to configure
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aaronpk lol yeah
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aaronpk this is one of the things the h-card app is supposed to solve
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bnvk mmm, ah, because I don't have a picture on my site probably
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aaronpk Copy https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:aaronpk
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bnvk will add that later
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bnvk danke ;)
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gRegorLove What is wiki signature?
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Loqi The sparkline template is used to display an inline photo with a u-photo microformat. It is commonly used to create templates for users to sign their name on event RSVPs or other wiki pages https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki_signature