#indiewebcamp 2016-06-29

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[shaners] bear aaronpk kevinmarks etc: I added name and website to /chat-people. I also added a table view instead of a list. Which do yall think is better? Especially for a very long list like /irc-people actually is.
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[shaners] https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/chat-people
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gRegorLove +1 for tables with long list
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KevinMarks__ though then they get cropped on narrow screens
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[kevinmarks] Well, that one doesn't because its missing a meta viewport, but you know what I mean
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[shaners] kevinmarks: right. I need to add that.
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[shaners] kevinmarks: meta viewport added
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Ruxton [shaners]: i broke it I think
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Ruxton 500'd when I added new person
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[shaners] thanks ruxton! You exposed some bug of mine.
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[shaners] You made it to here though
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[shaners] https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/chat-people
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[shaners] ruxton: oh i see. you’ve got a subdomain and I didn’t account for more than one dot in the path.
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GWG [shaners]: I have a subdomain as well
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[shaners] working on it
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[shaners] ruxton: fixed. https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/ignite.digitalignition.net
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Ruxton [shaners]: could you give usage examples in the pronoun section? I'm pronoun stupid and not 100% sure what each box means
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Ruxton also person_location is currently set to type email and firing email validations when editing
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[shaners] pronouns: please add this to the TODO on the wiki page
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[shaners] what is h-card-as-a-service?
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Loqi h-card as a service is a website built by http://assets.veganstraightedge.com/images/apple-touch-icon-57-precomposed.pngShane Becker to prototype the idea of replacing wiki profile pages with a simple form with fields for commonly used properties (name, url, photo, etc) already used by several people on the wiki which could be used as a single point of lookup for people’s h-card info https://indiewebcamp.com/h-card_as_a_service
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[shaners] email field bug: thanks. will fix now.
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ignite.digitalignition.net edited /h-card_as_a_service (+174) "/* TODO */" (view diff)
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[shaners] thx
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Loqi [indieweb] "Dear #indieweb community, please welcome @Celine_Bouton on the Indie Train ! indiesite: http://www.celinebouton.eu thanks to @withknown !" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/dear-indieweb-community-please-welcome-celine_bouton-on-the-indie-train
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petermolnar had anyone here tried out .bit domains?
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk interesting, lynx (browser) doesn't like your SSL cert; it states it's for CN<*.pin13.net>
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske I don't have that problem
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cweiske Lynx Version 2.8.9dev.8 (21 Dec 2015)
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petermolnar Lynx Version 2.8.8dev.12 (22 Feb 2012) - debian 7 default
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cweiske this one might not support SNI
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cweiske or the openssl lib on deb7 might not support SNI
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tommorris adactio's keynote discusses IndieWeb+micropub+microformats: https://adactio.com/articles/10887
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] <A>
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tommorris Worth listening to.
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Loqi [indieweb] "How To Break Open The Web" by Dan Gillmor and Kevin Marks http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fastcolabs/~3/GcveeahW5rA/how-to-break-open-the-web
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Loqi [indieweb] "How To Break Open The Web" by Dan Gillmor and Kevin Marks http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fastcompany/headlines/~3/GcveeahW5rA/how-to-break-open-the-web
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aaronpk petermolnar sounds like an SNI issue.
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Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 3 hours, 5 minutes ago: interesting, lynx (browser) doesn't like your SSL cert; it states it's for CN<*.pin13.net> http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-29/line/1467198291228
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ePirat Hello
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GWG Good morning
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PFMurph hello
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jonnybarnes is aaronpk there?
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aaronpk Hi
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jonnybarnes I’m trying to use Quill with my micropub endpoint, but syndication endpoint discovery isn’t working properly
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jonnybarnes which will be my end I’m sure
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aaronpk I changed quill recently
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aaronpk check out the latest micropub spec, it should tell you what it expects
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ePirat what's quill?
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jonnybarnes does syndicate-to need to be an array if theres only one target?
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aaronpk What is Quill?
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Loqi Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website using Micropub https://indiewebcamp.com/Quill
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aaronpk jonnybarnes yes
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ePirat Ah, thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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jonnybarnes would `http_build_query(['syndicate-to[]' => 'twitter.com/jonnybarnes']);` work?
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jonnybarnes I currently have that without the square brackets after syndicate-to
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aaronpk I can't remember if I left that in Quill as a fallback, but check out micropub.net which describes a slightly larger response which allows you to have a display name separately from the value used in the syndicate-to parameter
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@RikMende We need to get back to core that the Web is elsewhere than closed arbitrary corporate silo's back to 2003 #indieweb https://twitter.com/xeni/status/748164491330805760 (twitter.com/_/status/748166010503593989)
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jonnybarnes oh hang on: “The endpoint MUST return the response in [JSON] format”
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jonnybarnes so I shouldn’t be using http_build_query
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ben_thatmustbeme no, we changed that, it is a bit nicer now having names for things
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snarfed petermolnar: i ran Namecoin-Qt locally a few days ago to try to register a .bit domain. it ran for days and never converged. :/ i eventually gave up
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petermolnar you do have namecoins to spend, right?
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snarfed no, i ran it in order to acquire some :/
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petermolnar oh, that won't happen. nc is a btc clone, which means you now need immense computing power to mine it
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petermolnar so you either buy them or wait a loooong time to mine them
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ePirat Are there any "Known" users here? Is it possible to customize the templates/provide your own? And does Known supports formatted code blocks?
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@kevinmarks “We didn’t have to worry about how data would get from one place to another. It just did.” http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open #DWebSummit #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748173822646312960)
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petermolnar ePirat we usually have Known users, it appears they are absent at the moment
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[kylewm] epirat: yes you can add your own themes/templates; code blocks are tricky… see https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1024
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ePirat ewww TinyMCE D:
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petermolnar ePirat https://github.com/mapkyca/IdnoMarkdown
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petermolnar although this looks like an old, dusty thing
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ePirat just found this https://github.com/idno/Markdown
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ePirat for some reason uses https://github.com/OscarGodson/EpicEditor though…
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ePirat maybe it's just for me but that editor does not seem to provide much benefit over a plain textfield? at least the demo on the website seems quite pointless…
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petermolnar press the eye icon
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petermolnar it renders the output on the fly
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ePirat Ah!
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ePirat didn't notice it had on-hover icons
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KevinMarks Known let's you add custom markup
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KevinMarks Go to /admin/styles
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[dshanske] Semantic Linkbacks has been refactored in the same way Webmentions has. They can now theoretically be developed separately, but a unified distribution plugin could easily be made
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[kylewm] the Markdown editor has … its own problems
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ePirat :/
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jonnybarnes would this be a correct response from my micorpub endpoint for a syndicate-to request? https://gist.github.com/jonnybarnes/6d6ee07b1a52286abd34ebc042ca596f
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[kylewm] jonnybarnes: close, the syndicate-to value should be an array
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jonnybarnes kylewm: how would I get json_encode to do that?
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jonnybarnes I’ve updated the gist to show the php thats generating the response
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aaronpk need another [, so 'syndicate-to' => [[
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ben_thatmustbeme thinks we should have a test for this when we get to micropub test suite
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aaronpk indeed :)
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aaronpk i already have micropub.rocks
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ben_thatmustbeme excellent
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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jonnybarnes like this? https://gist.github.com/jonnybarnes/6d6ee07b1a52286abd34ebc042ca596f#file-syndicate-to-2-json
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek HWC tonight!
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ePirat HWC?
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ePirat What is HWC?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indiewebcamp.com/hwc
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ePirat ah
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Loqi [indieweb] ": A great opening keynote about what makes HTML and the WWW special, and why we should support things like the IndieWeb project.
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@tvnweb Finally made it to Brighton Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748203974302498817)
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tantek_ nice! how is HWC Brighton going?
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tantek_ anyone there online here?
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tvn tantek: just the 3 of us here :)
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tantek tvn be sure to take a photo and post it!
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tantek (and upload to wiki as well would be nice :) )
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tantek (adding it to the HWC event page for today)
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tantek hey adactio's post https://adactio.com/articles/10887 is awesome and I'm still not done reading it. so far mentions of microformats, XFN, rel=me, indieAuth, Micropub, IndieWebCamp, Bridgy, Webmention
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] <A>
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tantek definitely belongs on posts about the indieweb
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ePirat aaronpk are you around?
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tantek ePirat - better to just go ahead and ask your specific q
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tantek kevinmarks++ for http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open
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Loqi kevinmarks has 229 karma
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tantek also worthy of /posts_about
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@gRegorLove Oh hey, Bellingham, I forgot to tweet it: Homebrew Website Club tonight and again on July 13th @WoodsCoffee! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/748214721073946624)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "<A>" https://adactio.com/articles/10887 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/29/6/)
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gRegorLove Can I get an RT from @indiewebcamp for that? ^
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club (+379) "Bellingham location, RSVP" (view diff)
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ePirat well I wanted to ask aaronpk about https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/20
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aaronpk ePirat: i'm off and on IRC this morning so your best bet is to leave a question here that i can respond to when i have a minute
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ePirat aaronpk well it's more a discussion topic, I will just ping you another time. I don't think this issues is properly solved.
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ePirat and I just wanted to make sure that I am not misunderstanding something before I continue commenting on the github issue.
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aaronpk the security consideration paragraph doesn't address it for you?
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bnvk has anyone considered making a webmention Discourse plugin?
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ePirat aaronpk not really, no. proposed ways to mitigate the issue do not help to solve the actual problem: my server can be made to POST to any server.
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aaronpk that's a different issue
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@annihilist This is interesting. https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/748218424162082816)
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aaronpk also pretty sure that's not true
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aaronpk your server can be made to make a GET request to any server
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aaronpk but you will only make a POST request to a server that is declared as the webmention endpoint for links that you link to
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ePirat aaronpk but that's exactly what this issue is about? using a crafted webmention endpoint.
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ePirat which is not a real webmention endpoint
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aaronpk that's actually a salmention issue then
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ePirat yes
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ePirat there should be some way for my server to check, if the referenced endpoint actually handles webmentions for the website that links that endpoint.
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aaronpk did you see this potential solution? https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/20#issuecomment-209385798
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ePirat aaronpk yes, I think that is a very good solution
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aaronpk that's a pretty big change, and not something that can just be added right now. but if you think that solution is important you should say that on the github thread and we'll talk about it with the group again.
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ePirat aaronpk which one? the one I linked? I am confused as there are so many different repos…
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aaronpk just add a comment on the same issue, #20
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KartikPrabhu a free HTML/CSS tutorial that does look good: http://marksheet.io/
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KartikPrabhu adactio++ for sharing awesome links
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Loqi adactio has 27 karma
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@synvila We need a feed reader that's also a publishing tool and that has the ability to send webmentions. That way we … http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2016/05/7892/ (twitter.com/_/status/748222413746356224)
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ePirat aaronpk ok, commented.
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ePirat aaronpk thanks
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aaronpk thanks
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aaronpk could you clarify *why* it's bad to make a post to an arbitrary server?
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aaronpk the post will only contain source and target parameters, so it's not arbitrary requests
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@aaronpk @synvila Have you seen https://woodwind.xyz/ It's pretty much exactly what you described! :-) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748222971324440576)
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ePirat aaronpk I agree but there are horrible things out there, where it might be enough to post something or which would evaluate url parameters as well.
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ePirat aaronpk and I don't want it to be possible that my server could be abused for (even an unlikely) attack.
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ePirat aaronpk of course if you decide that the issue is too hard to actually exploit, I would understand. just wanted to point it out that's not fully addressed.
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ePirat aaronpk and as far as I understand the only affected thing would be salmention, so I could choose to just not support them.
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aaronpk oh wait a sec, that reminds me
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aaronpk i think my understanding of salmention was wrong when i wrote that issue
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aaronpk salmention only says that you need to re-send webmentions you previously sent. it doesn't make you send new webmentions that you haven't sent before.
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tantek right
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aaronpk which means you actually won't be in the situation of a commenter being able to cause you to send webmentions to something arbitrary
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ePirat aaronpk Ah, so I would just use the host from which the original webmention was sent for salmention?
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aaronpk you should re-discover the webmention endpoint like normal, but you'd only be doing that for links you had previously sent webmentions to
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk you won't be sending a new webmention to the new commenter
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ePirat ah, ok
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ePirat ok, I guess I need to re-read the salemention stuff
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ePirat aaronpk so If I understand correctly, when I write a post, mentio foo.org, I would webmention foo.org and when updating the post, only re-mention foo.org, not commenters of my post?
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aaronpk correct
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ePirat ok
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ePirat there is no issue then.
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ePirat will add another comment.
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aaronpk thanks. i just added a comment clarifying the salmention issue too.
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aaronpk this is actually a great demonstration of why webmention is not a good solution for passing comments *down* stream
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aaronpk (salmention = upstream)
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ePirat aaronpk would the security consideration you added to the draft still apply then?
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aaronpk yes, the security consideration starts out with "It is possible for an attacker to advertise a Webmention endpoint that points to an arbitrary URL." which is still true. but that case will only be hit if the attacker causes you to actually post a link to their site in your own post. so it's more like a targeted phishing attack in that sense.
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/#limit-access-to-protected-resources
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Webmention
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ePirat aaronpk indeed.
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ePirat is Loqi a bot? a human? or both?
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk <3 Loqi
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Loqi gives aaronpk a backrub
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ePirat aaronpk thanks for discussing the issue with me!
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aaronpk np!
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ePirat aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 172 karma
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aaronpk HWC Brighton is on! https://adactio.com/notes/10898
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Hacking away at Homebrew Website Club Brighton.
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tantek Loqi, human or bot?
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Loqi i think human
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tantek oh dear
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miklb Loqi, tea or coffee?
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Loqi tea
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miklb :-)
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ePirat :D
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[dshanske] Afternoon
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gRegorLove Howdy [dshanske]. Not used to seeing you here via Slack
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ePirat how can you be in here using slack?
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aaronpk Loqi magic
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[dshanske] I was having trouble with my Android IRC client disconnecting without notice.
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aaronpk http://slack.indiewebcamp.com/
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ePirat aaronpk nice!
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ePirat lovely that you are keeping irc and just offering slack as another way to use it
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aaronpk best of both worlds!
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ePirat some channels did it the other way around, which annoys me a lot…
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aaronpk indeed
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GWG So, this is me through weechat/Glowing Bear, which I prefer.
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ePirat aaronpk and the slack irc bridge that slack offers is… crap
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ePirat aaronpk but how do you make it that he actually has a own nick and not speaks a Loqi?
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Loqi who, me?
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GWG Either way, let's see if this stays stable
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Slack-IRC-Gateway
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GWG I am learning how to put PRs into bite sized pieces.
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ePirat aaronpk but freenode limits users per IP?
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aaronpk yeah, we haven't hit that limit yet I guess
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ePirat interesting
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ePirat I wonder if you could get it approved by freenode to make the limit higher for a specific IP…
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aaronpk interesting
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tantek maybe by donating to freenode
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tantek ;)
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GWG snarfed, saw your issue on Micropub.
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GWG snarfed, do you think I should turn my attention back to Micropub?
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snarfed hey GWG! i can't answer that myself. you get to choose your own priorities!
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snarfed i'm just setting up unit tests, and saw that todo in the code, so i moved it to an issue. didn't mean anything beyond that.
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snarfed the stock answer here is, turn your attention to your itches for your own site :P
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GWG snarfed.... Unit Tests? I feel bad now.
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snarfed don't!
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GWG snarfed, I have all those other changes I wanted to implement though too. To make it more flexible.
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snarfed ok!
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GWG I just have focused on trying to get the Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks plugins to a new place
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GWG snarfed, have you been following the changes to those plugins?
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snarfed GWG: nope
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GWG snarfed, so my follow-up question about how you'd feel about matching the structure is one you can't answer?
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snarfed probably
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snarfed i'm not a great person to maintain the micropub plugin in general right now, since i don't really use it myself :/
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snarfed but there we are
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GWG Basically, the functionality moves to a second file and the main plugin file is just a loader.
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GWG snarfed, do you want me to take over? I want to use it
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snarfed GWG: maybe! you could definitely become a committer at least
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snarfed first step is actually to start using it. :P then get a few more PRs merged, *then* maybe think about taking over
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GWG snarfed, maybe I will withdraw my giant PR and send more digestible pieces. It seemed to work for pfefferle.
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snarfed GWG: ok. i'd vote for actually using the plugin yourself first!
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snarfed thoroughly
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[kylewm] I don’t know if I’d say "best of both worlds" :slightly_smiling_face: But definitely "both worlds"
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snarfed and after that, maybe look at code
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GWG snarfed, I need the changes to make it work better with Post Kinds
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snarfed hmm ok
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aaronpk lol [kylewm]
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cweiske full page screenshots are awesome.. http://phancap.cweiske.de/imgcache/cweiske.de-e7e0c6247c86235b08c9438cb4dcedaa.png
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cweiske or as searchable pdf: http://phancap.cweiske.de/imgcache/cweiske.de-586037282c5233c567a184a17560a4c2.pdf
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[kylewm] lol, Slack didn’t cope super well with that screenshot
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snarfed GWG: just pushed unit test support and first test. feel free to try it! https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub#development
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cweiske aaronpk, you promised to document your screenshot usage at http://indiewebcamp.com/bookmarks
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[kevinmarks] Facebook is chipping away at privacy - and my profile has been exposed http://nzzl.us/KGJRdUH
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[kevinmarks] Kind of an antipattern, especially combined with public posts being invisible outside fb
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gRegorLove facebook--
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Loqi facebook has -15 karma
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gRegorLove invisible outside fb? To search engines you mean?
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tantek hey looks like Ben Werdmuller is giving a talk on IndieWeb things at SF New Tech later-ish tonight (like likely after HWC)
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tantek https://sfnewtech.com/event/062916/
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tantek only about 4-5 blocks away
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tantek we should go crash it after HWC
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tantek :D
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Loqi +1
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[benatwork] Related: if anyone has any screenshots of anything awesome that I can show off, I’d love to receive them at ben at benwerd dot com. I’ve been told I shouldn’t expect internet necessarily, so no live demos
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Loqi [benatwork]: tantek_ left you a message on 6/23 at 4:44am: The Long Now is holding a Long Now Summit on 2016-10-04 and there's a call for submissions for Ignite Talks! Add yourselves! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1f6zIEhPeVa7vIECZFhDC_LKxwa0mMyLuLgBKguRHKJA/viewform http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-23/line/1466682278926
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[benatwork] ooo
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KevinMarks1 hm, want to get stats on github code? https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/06/GitHub-on-BigQuery-analyze-all-the-open-source-code.html
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KevinMarks1 benatwork: you can demo offline websites then
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KevinMarks1 adactio.com https://ben.thatmustbe.me/mobilepub/ and woodwind.xyz
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KevinMarks1 adactio.com https://ben.thatmustbe.me/mobilepub/ and woodwind.xyz
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KevinMarks1 promo code, ben?
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gRegorLove aaronpk: What's the name of the software you set up for team status? ("currently working on")
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[kylewm] DoneReports?
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[kylewm] https://squashreports.com/ rather
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gRegorLove Thanks
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aaronpk is still trying to find a good pricing model for that
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KevinMarks1 should I do a joy division graphs app for slack?
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gRegorLove I'm trying a local install, aaronpk. Will let you know how it goes :)
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aaronpk nice
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KevinMarks1 today's xkcd sounds like one of those theoretical webmention bug reports http://xkcd.com/1700/
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gRegorLove I might experiment with extending Squash Reports to track times, too, for invoicing. We have a really rudimentary system for that currently.
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[kylewm] haha KevinMarks1, it does!
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@ChrisAldrich .@nytimes will you be my brother on Facebook? http://boffosocko.com/2016/06/29/new-york-times-will-you-be-my-brother-on-facebook/ #indieweb https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/748279693393047552/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/748279693393047552)
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[shaners] tantek: is is allowed for me to show up early to HWC and hang out in a lobby or something?
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@m_ott Just added my #Webmention plugin for @CraftCMS to the plugin directory over at StraightUpCraft: https://straightupcraft.com/craft-plugins/webmention #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/748281117728473088)
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: fyi the json in Example 23 in the micropub docs has a syntax error
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aaronpk lol really? thanks
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aaronpk ah, missing comma
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aaronpk classic json
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jonnybarnes its missing a comma after the name for myfavoritesocialnetwork
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aaronpk thx. that'll go out next time i publish
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jonnybarnes oh god who thought json was a good idea?
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jonnybarnes https://3v4l.org/3akiR
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jonnybarnes I just want the uid value
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aaronpk https://3v4l.org/bsb6E
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aaronpk or https://3v4l.org/C299Q
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jonnybarnes yeah, just read about the second param of json_decode
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jonnybarnes much saner :)
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tantek oh just saw shaners message
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tantek yes - you can totally arrive early and hang out in the 1st floor area
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tantek just tell the receptionist you are there for Homebrew Website Club
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tantek she'll email me and I'll try to get there
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aaronpk it looks like we are converging on the pieces necessary for the july 4 switch: http://indiewebcamp.com/rename_to_IndieWeb
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aaronpk maybe we can make a call on that tonight at HWCs?
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tantek sounds like a good idea
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tantek have we minimized as much as we can?
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tantek aaronpk: what did you decide about socialwg.indiewebcamp?
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aaronpk i haven't thought about that yet
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tantek so it stays there for now?
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aaronpk that page is trimmed down pretty well. anything that isn't *technically* essential is actually agreed upon anyway
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aaronpk i can certainly leave it there for now since the actual backend logs are pretty separate from everything else anyway
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tantek ok, maybe it belongs in a "would be nice to fix really soon after" section?
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tantek since as you said, it's not *technically* necessary
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aaronpk works for me
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tantek at this point I'm a pretty big fan of minimizing to reduce the work (especially on you) for the holiday weekend
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aaronpk yes especially since i'm going to be offline most of the weekend 😂
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aaronpk pretty much going to have to do everything on the 4th
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tantek your call!
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aaronpk i'm biking out to a campground on friday, and returning sunday night. 60 miles each way 😮
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KevinMarks_ Hm https://medium.com/@francesc/analyzing-go-code-with-bigquery-485c70c3b451#.j4x0djpp3
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KevinMarks_ Do we want to grep all the html on github for mf2?
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@kevinmarks http://Indiewebcamp.com is here for you. https://Woodwind.xyz/ + brid.gy are ready to make it work https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/748009724910649348 (twitter.com/_/status/748299050768732160)
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[kylewm] lol @ dot and slash is more cumbersome than saying dot twice
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aaronpk you don't agree?
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[kylewm] (I recognize that there is some intangible “feel” aspect to all of this, that’s hard to put into words)
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aaronpk linguistically, "slash chat" is a very awkward phrase
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[kylewm] I suspect non-tech people are slightly more used to bare domain slash something (go to audible dot com slash mypodcast for a free trial)
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aaronpk you have to come to a complete stop in order to separate "sh" and "ch"
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[kylewm] slash chat is where we talk about Guns n Roses
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[kylewm] aaronpk: yep I see your point about the awkward consonance
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[benatwork] yeah, that means something a bit different in Scotland
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[benatwork] also the sheer number of referrals I get for the “facebook login” search tells me that URL design is essentially moot for non-technical users
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aaronpk the good news is our /IRC page is already the top result for https://www.google.com/?q=indieweb+chat
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snarfed yup. navigational queries like that make up an astounding fraction of google searches
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snarfed like, 40-50% last i checked
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aaronpk i've definitely done that from time to time
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aaronpk (not facebook, but other sites)
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aaronpk sometimes I accidentally google "google" but that's just when the address bar autocomplete screws up
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[benatwork] my favorite moment on the internet is when a readwriteweb article became the #1 search result for “facebook login” for a day or so and thousands of visitors left angry comments about the facebook redesign
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[shurcool] lol
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KevinMarks That was awesome
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[shurcool] for those that are attending the Homebrew Website Club Meetup in SF tonight... it's my first time, how will I find people? the location is the open area of a first floor of a big building as I understand.
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KevinMarks I'm a little surprised Vic never got them to onebox "Facebook login" to g+
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aaronpk it's at mozilla, tell the receptionist you're there for homebrew website club
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[shurcool] also, the first hour is "Quiet writing hour before the meetup" so are people just going to work quietly/independently?
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aaronpk it's hard to miss though, it's right when you walk in
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[shurcool] okay, thanks
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KevinMarks The receptionist will insist on calling tantek if you get there before 5:30
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[shurcool] ah okay great
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[shurcool] I wasn't sure if it was just people meeting in an open public area
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[kylewm] shurcool: it’s the entrance off Embarcadero, by the big firefox logo
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[shurcool] thanks :slightly_smiling_face:
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[shurcool] see ya soon!
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tantek hello from MozSF!
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[benatwork] KevinMarks: I’ve just seen your Fast Company article and it’s so exciting
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[benatwork] Final sentence is the key.