#indiewebcamp 2016-06-28

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kevinmarks.com edited /content_addressing (+148) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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[shaners] pronoun.is uses up to 5 pronouns. we only have properties for 3.
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[shaners] https://github.com/witch-house/pronoun.is#the-database
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@lightcoin @taoeffect what about POSSE from your site to Twitter? http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter (twitter.com/_/status/747581045843734529)
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kevinmarks.com edited /content_addressing (+247) "/* Use in existing web standards */" (view diff)
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tantek what is content addressing
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Loqi content addressing is a way of looking up pages or files by hashes of their contents rather than the URL of their origin server https://indiewebcamp.com/content_addressing
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tantek and why are we documenting it?
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KevinMarks_ I'm documenting it as an interesting thread from the decentralized web summit
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tantek what is its relation to the indieweb?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "its relation to the indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10P2
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tantek Its relation to the indieweb is /wikifying#Should_this_be_on_the_wiki
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loqi.me created /Its_relation_to_the_indieweb (+49) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-27/line/1467073422438 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (+103) "/* Brainstorming: TODO did - add pronouns */" (view diff)
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[shaners] http://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/new?website=gregorlove.com/about
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KevinMarks what is zeronet?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "zeronet" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10P3
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veganstraightedge.com edited /pronoun (+130) "/* IndieWeb (Friendly) Examples */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks zeronet is a decentralized web serving tool based on Bittorrent and Bitcoin addresses http://zeronet.io/
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loqi.me created /zeronet (+132) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-27/line/1467074346825 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Is anyone using zeronet?
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[shaners] gregorlove: thanks for having pronouns in a top level h-card. i was able to use it for testing HaaS.
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KevinMarks I am now
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KevinMarks :D
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gRegorLove shaners: Welcome. Didn't expect an experimental property to make it in, but that's rad.
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kevinmarks.com edited /zeronet (+160) "add link" (view diff)
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KevinMarks https://bit.no.com:43110/1PVQFG9QfWhVJxD5qiL9HSZSzGitarpLcm/?Home
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KevinMarks ooh, that dynamically refreshed when I went to the page
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KevinMarks so if I quit my local server, does that still resolve?
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KevinMarks looks like it
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[shaners] gregorlove: Loqi uses pronouns already
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Loqi grins profusely
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gRegorLove How?
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[shaners] so it’s useful to have on people’s profiles for Loqi to lookup!
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Loqi woot!
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[shaners] The idea is that this thing could be used for Loqi’s people lookups
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gRegorLove Sure. I didn't think Loqi used pronouns already. Based on the wiki profile page?
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Loqi who, me?
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[shaners] Loqi uses them in !tells
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Loqi who, me?
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[shaners] !tell gRegorLove SEE?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove Loqi, what's my pronoun?
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[shaners] Hmm. Loqi *sometimes* knows people pronouns. :shrug:
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gRegorLove Yeah, I recall some discussion about that now. aaronpk could tell us for sure :)
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gRegorLove Mine would be an edge case I'm sure, since pronouns aren't on my wiki page yet or on my homepage
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[shaners] right
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[shaners] either way, i was able to prove to myself that they’re being imported from a URL
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gRegorLove +1 for moving things forward
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gRegorLove Hey, Loqi.
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gRegorLove ...
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veganstraightedge.com edited /h-card_as_a_service (-70) "/* TODO did: create `/chat-people` to be like http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people */" (view diff)
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[shaners] http://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/chat-people
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KevinMarks__ hm, so it finds my h-card for tantek but not for me, because mine is under the h-feed?
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[shaners] correct. i haven’t yet implemented the kind of recursive search for h-cards.
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[shaners] right now i’m only looking at top level objects for them
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aaronpk !tell tantek I use content addressing to archive peoples' avatars from their h-cards. see /ca3db
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk [shaners] sweet, username lookup looks good. tho I'll probably do the same thing I do now which is download the whole chat-people page and cache it locally.
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aaronpk speaking of which, the chat-people page has a non-standard timezone string for the tz property, "Pacific Time (US & Canada)" which i believe is not machine parseable. can you change it to a machine-readable string like "US/Pacific"?
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Loqi [indieweb] "likes Thoughts on a distributed Indieweb chat" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14480-2/
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[shaners] Aaronpk I just used Rails' built in names and offsets. You know all about timezone stuff way better than me. Wanna send a pull request my way?
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aaronpk i can try!
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tantek looks like IG recently got salmentions - or rather, notifications of comments on posts you're tagged in
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 50 minutes ago: I use content addressing to archive peoples' avatars from their h-cards. see /ca3db http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-27/line/1467080256002
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tantek e.g. actual notification I got this evening: "lauraglu commented on a post you're tagged in."
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tantek pretty sure that's the SWAT0 scenario, someone commenting on a photo you're tagged in
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tantek (this is new, didn't exist before today AFAIK)
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tantek (in IG)
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tantek aaronpk, good to know and that makes sense
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aaronpk whoa neat
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aaronpk what is swat0?
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Loqi SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0 and is a user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined in 2010 https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0
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aaronpk tho pretty soon instagram will just be a stream of photos from facebook
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miklb hello IWC
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bear oh - is /chat-people now machine friendly?
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bear oh, it's on a different domain - cool
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@kevinmarks “mechanized surveillance has become the economic basis of the modern tech industry.” @baconmeteor http://idlewords.com/talks/sase_panel.htm #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/747665936501596160)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“mechanized surveillance has become the economic basis of the modern tech industry.” @baconmeteor http://idlewords.com/talks/sase_panel.htm #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/mechanized-surveillance-has-become-the-economic-basis-of-the-modern
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bjoern.stierand.org created /User:Bjoern.stierand.org (+1120) "initial version" (view diff)
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@linux_everyday https://indieauth.com - Sign in with your domain name (using the rel-me-auth http://microformats.org/wiki/relmeauth protocol. #linux_everyday (twitter.com/_/status/747712682535624704)
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[tfg4k] Guys is it me or is indieweb slipping?
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cweiske ?
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@cmal_PP @FagnerBrack Indieweb paved the way as an experiment but now it's all getting standardized by W3C! (twitter.com/_/status/747746869040799744)
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petermolnar [tfg4k] you need to be more specific
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tantek slipping from one generation to the next!
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cweiske slipping into insignificance!
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tantek I think we have a ways to get there ;)
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cweiske just wanted to point out total inverse interpretation of that comment
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tantek cweiske - have you been to Beyond Tellerand?
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cweiske no
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cweiske haven't been to conferences since ~ 5 years
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tantek I haven't yet either but I was considering the one in Berlin in November
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tantek https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/berlin-2016/
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tantek the organizer wants to do an indiewebcamp before or after
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tantek just curious if that's convenient for your
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tantek s/your/you
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Loqi tantek meant to say: just curious if that's convenient for you
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cweiske would be, yes
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cweiske nearly attended the nuremberg event
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cweiske but we were away that weekend
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tantek there's also IndieWebCamp Brighton which looks like it is happening 2016-09-24..25
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cweiske no, that's too far awawy
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tantek I was going to say, not too bad if UK is still part of Europe
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cweiske berlin is 1h by train, nuremberg 3h which is ok for a 2-day event
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tantek cool, I'll capture some notes about Berlin
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tantek from the last time that marcthiele (organizer) was around
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Loqi [indieweb] "Dear #indieweb community, please welcome @Celine_Bouton on the Indie Train ! indiesite: www.celinebouton.eu thanks to @withknown !" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/dear-indieweb-community-please-welcome-celine_bouton-on-the-indie-train
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cweiske rMdes, you didn't even link the website
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+606) "add Berlin adjacent to Beyond Tellerand, minor mod to an SF date" (view diff)
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tantek cweiske: I added the possible dates here - definitely see which (if either) works for you and add your preference(s)! https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#Berlin
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cweiske.de edited /Planning (+38) "/* Berlin */" (view diff)
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rMdes cweiske, not sure what happend, this was supposed to POSSE to twitter
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rMdes her website is www.celinebouton.eu
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cweiske but on your blog you didn't link the url
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rMdes I'll invite her to the wiki
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cweiske it's only text
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cweiske not clickable
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rMdes ahh ok I see what you mean
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rMdes indeed
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rMdes fixed :)
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rMdes finally fixed my HTTPS issues not resolving well from short-url to normal url
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rMdes with bear mod_rewrite tip, thanks to him !
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rMdes indieweb slipping ? /me just getting started here :)
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tantek rMdes - I think it may have been a drive-by light-hearted "concern troll" ;)
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rMdes ^^ trolly indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm: didn't you say you used something like jf2 in some internal application
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ben_thatmustbeme ?
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: not really. mf2util returns a flat JSON object but it's a stretch to say it's like jf2
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ben_thatmustbeme its still usage experience of a flat json object for an MF2 object
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ben_thatmustbeme and if you'd be open to it, i'd love to include it in something we would like to unify with
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ben_thatmustbeme get anyone using flat json versions of mj2 to at least be somewhat close together
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ben_thatmustbeme and unify more later
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kylewm Sure, that sounds good
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[kevinmarks] Document first, converge later ftw
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[kevinmarks] Chat ops https://medium.com/git-out-the-vote/chatops-198f0b62c601
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wagle so do have to fix webmention wordpress plugin myself? 8) 8) 8)
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wagle so do I have to fix the webmention wordpress plugin myself? 8) 8) 8)
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wagle having once spent a year digging myself out of a mountain of workarounds, I'm loath to apply them
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gRegorLove What's wrong with it?
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gRegorLove Was it that strict standards warning?
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wagle yeah
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wagle that year made me a real stickler for real fixes
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wagle "Never Again will there be an endless firestorm!"
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gRegorLove I can't seem to find it in the chat logs, but my suggestion is to disable display of strict standards warnings using error_reporting();
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wagle btw I dont take myself much seriously
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wagle why not just fix it?
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gRegorLove GWG said he had a PR to fix it. I don't know if it's been merged or not.
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wagle ah, guessnot
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gRegorLove and/or it's merged, but not pushed to a new plugin release.
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gRegorLove In general you shouldn't be displaying strict standards warnings anyway, though, unless you're in development mode. Just my opinion.
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wagle just now loogged into my wordpress server, and it was still complaining
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wagle this is default wordpress, I think.. dunno
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aaronpk gRegorLove: that's not just your opinion ;-)
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gRegorLove :)
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aaronpk http://php.net/manual/en/errorfunc.configuration.php#ini.display-errors
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miklb should be able to modify error reporting in wp-config
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wagle i'll wait for the fix.. was asking if I had to do it myself
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wagle apparently its still in the works
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wagle so fine
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wagle earlier it had sounded "any moment now"
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gRegorLove wagle: To be sure, is it this plugin? https://wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/
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petermolnar wagle there is much work going on around that plugin
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petermolnar check the github reposiroty
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petermolnar s/reposiroty/repository
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: check the github repository
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wagle Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method Webmention_Plugin::init() should not be called statically in /var/www/html/wp/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 525
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@epilepticrabbit Best bet is to have your own corner of the web and POSSE: https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE b/c then you are in control @InstitutePL #i4pl (twitter.com/_/status/747848760814870529)
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wagle oh ok, didnt know it was onerous to fix
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petermolnar https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/commits/master
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wagle 1 month until I wake up
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 7/28 10:47am (#5863)
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gRegorLove It's probably not onerous, just a lot of changes going on, and I think pfefferle (the maintainer) has been busy, so new versions may not be getting pushed out as quickly as development happens.
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gRegorLove The fix is in this open PR: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/pull/85
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gRegorLove So awaiting merging + new plugin release
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wagle cool, thanks!
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miklb unrelated, I'm stoked to say I finally resolved my syndication via micropub on Jekyll
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voxpelli miklb++
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Loqi miklb has 7 karma
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voxpelli miklb: I'm stoked that you are stoked :)
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miklb I thought I had it working last week, but created a bug, last night I rewrote the piece of the plugin to properly parse the links in the front matter to send bridgy webmentions from micropub
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miklb voxpelli I've been mulling the idea of creating a new collection for notes, but haven't dug into the code yet. Any thoughts?
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voxpelli miklb: I was thinking about that for a while as well, but ended up just making it a subset of the basic post
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miklb I guess I just need to look at how difficult it is to loop through posts and exclude a cat. Shouldn't be hard with liquid
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voxpelli miklb: subsetting probably goes more hand in hand with the general trend within the community of preferring compositions of post features over strict post types
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voxpelli miklb: I think I do that
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voxpelli I have http://voxpelli.com/social/ and http://voxpelli.com/links/ – the only thing I can't get to work with the filtering is pagination – so my archive includes all "types"
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miklb pagination in Jekyll is a hot mess.
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miklb I'm using the octopress pagination plugin but it is woefully behind in development.
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voxpelli the upside of that downside is that I got myself a firehose of all content I create, which in itself is actually a good feature to have :)
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miklb :-)
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voxpelli 👉 http://voxpelli.com/archive/full/
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miklb I want to start doing links next, but also want to figure out how to posse to pinboard
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voxpelli I have been thinking pesos instead
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voxpelli adding a special tag on Pinboard that when used would mean that I would peso it onto my site
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miklb I used to do something like that with my previous blog engine. Would actually create a link roundup post.
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voxpelli I try to keep a higher level of curation in my links section compared to what I do in my Pinboard – trying to follow the lead of https://adactio.com/links/ (although at a very much slower rate)
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miklb yes, I'd also like to do some linkposts where title links to the actual URL & not back to my site.
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miklb now that I have that syndication worked out, I can scratch a few new itches :-)
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KevinMarks__ mainstream article on archiving and site deaths: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/magazine/how-an-archive-of-the-internet-could-change-history.html?_r=1
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KevinMarks__ wtf? I can't select text on that page
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@d0gada Released first version of #Coect starter kit https://github.com/dog..ct-starter-kit #BEM, #NodeJs, #RiotJs, #IndieWeb https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/coect-starter-kit (twitter.com/_/status/747866174420094976)
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@kevinmarks "Tumblr and even Twitter may eventually end up ancient internet history" @jenniedeluxe on http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths http://www.nytimes.com (twitter.com/_/status/747866288265977856)
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tantek ^^^ looks like nytimes redirected KevinMarks article permalink to the home page :/
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KevinMarks1 hm, it works on known and twitter, that may be a loqi parsing glitch
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aaronpk probably nytimes is redirecting to home page for the user agent Loqi uses
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aaronpk useragentsniffing--
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Loqi useragentsniffing has -1 karma
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tantek I'm trying to figure out a good *focused* resource to point / link to in this thread: https://twitter.com/cmal_PP/status/747746869040799744
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@cmal_PP @FagnerBrack Indieweb paved the way as an experiment but now it's all getting standardized by W3C! (twitter.com/_/status/747746869040799744)
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tantek since they're specifically mentioning IndieWeb, perhaps it makes sense to provide an IndieWeb-focused response?
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gRegorLove And the person in response asked for a TL;DR of Indieweb
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gRegorLove I like /principles
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tantek or building blocks?
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tantek is that good enough to send or does it need more copy editing etc.?
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tantek gRegorLove: what do you think of /building-blocks ?
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gRegorLove Hm. /building-blocks looks like the head of many different rabbit trails - lots of links elsewhere on the wiki. /principles covers a lot of information but doesn't look daunting, like a long article.
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gRegorLove Maybe recommend them both, in order. "Here's the principles, and if you want to dig in further, building-blocks"
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gRegorLove Or /indieweb
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KevinMarks__ hm. spawning cloud things https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/06/creating-a-scalable-API-with-microservices.html
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anomalily Hey all - does anyone know offhand if using IFTTT for flickr > wordpress will allow bridgy to work for comments
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anomalily I can set up the IFTTT recipe to include the flickr URL (not the IFTTT shorturl)
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tantek oh neat - can you make include class="u-syndication" on that link too?
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tantek I think Bridgy may pick that up
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tantek though I don't remember if Bridgy backfeed supports Flickr (assume it does?)
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snarfed1 it does!
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#which
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anomalily @tantek I don't think I CAN make it include a class on the link unfortunately.
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anomalily I really hate that Flickr discontinued their "send to wordpress" connection. I used that religiously.
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tantek whoa that's annoying indeed
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tantek when did that happen?
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm: http://dissolve.github.io/jf2/#use-cases does that look good to you?
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anomalily @tantek A few years back.
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[kylewm] ben_thatmustbeme: lgtm :+1::skin-tone-2:
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ePirat aaronpk btw feel free to leave ##ePirat again ^^ That was just a test channel :D
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aaronpk lol forgot about that. my irc client hides inactive channels and also tries to autojoin anything i've been in before
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aaronpk we'll see if i can make it forget about that channel
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ePirat ^^
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[shaners] !tell bear: https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/chat-people is very similar markup to /irc-people on the wiki. Both of which, yes, are machine readable.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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[shaners] aaronpk: I didn’t copy/pasta the /irc-people markup straight up. I simplified it a bit. All the same mf2 classes are there, of course.
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[shaners] Could you take a look at it and see if it’d still work for you purposes, please?
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aaronpk yeah looks good! all I care about is the parsed result http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fh-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com%2Fchat-people
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aaronpk (other than the timezone issue but I can PR that)
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[shaners] great!
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KevinMarks__ could you improve it with name and nickname?
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KevinMarks__ (if we get people to give the extra data)
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[shaners] yep
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bear I like this because then the irc-people is only their wiki name and the domain - the h-card info comes from discovery
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Loqi bear: [shaners] left you a message 40 minutes ago: https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com/chat-people is very similar markup to /irc-people on the wiki. Both of which, yes, are machine readable. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-28/line/1467153721321
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bear get's people to keep their h-card info fresh
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