#indiewebcamp 2016-07-03

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@krescate The latest Pink Egg Media! http://paper.li/krescate/1367188000?edition_id=3e1e48e0-40b1-11e6-b7b0-0cc47a0d15fd #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749392502076141568)
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@iMentor4Success The latest Digital World! http://paper.li/iMentor4Success/1367088658?edition_id=5cd4ae50-40b1-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749392716040134657)
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/no-relme#post-8597246 > David Shanske on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] No rel=me" (twitter.com/_/status/749402389036339201)
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/no-relme#post-8597256 > MichaelZed on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] No rel=me" (twitter.com/_/status/749406902417760257)
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@jcicyber The latest The JC Community Leadership Daily! http://paper.li/jcicyber/1325553364?edition_id=bebbf5b0-40bb-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749411425123176448)
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/no-relme#post-8597261 > David Shanske on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] No rel=me" (twitter.com/_/status/749411713888419840)
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@EYESINMagazine The latest EYES IN™ Daily! http://paper.li/EYESINMagazine/1328751136?edition_id=f65597e0-40bd-11e6-bfc9-0cc47a0d1609 #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749415410068496384)
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@wallstreetfi The latest The Wall Street Financial ! http://paper.li/wallstreetfi?edition_id=498f84e0-40cb-11e6-bfc9-0cc47a0d1609 #brexit #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749439416754638848)
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@djp1974 @cassie_daves @ijeomaumebinyuo my question too #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749464865350127616)
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wagle \o/
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wagle (you dont have to listen to me whinge about webmention any more.. 8) 8) 8)
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GWG wagle: You saw the update?
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wagle GWG: yeah, and installed it
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GWG How are things going otherwise with WordPress?
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wagle fine, not doing much with it yet, but Real Soon Now (I just check the spam etc every so often)
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wagle I'm started something this month that I intend to blog about once I have results
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wagle I've
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GWG I'm trying to fix a feature
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@smykconsulting The latest Mirek Smyk Consulting Group Daily! http://paper.li/smykconsulting/1311748753?edition_id=cca31910-40e8-11e6-b7b0-0cc47a0d15fd Thanks to @djg_media #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749492583844438016)
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@vipcasa VIPyourCASA is out! http://paper.li/vipcasa/1359139248?edition_id=1fcc5020-40e9-11e6-b680-0cc47a0d1605 Stories via @PrattInstitute #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749493168777854976)
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/no-relme#post-8597616 > David Shanske on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] No rel=me" (twitter.com/_/status/749508473885487104)
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@wendystewart The latest Business Development News! http://paper.li/wendystewart/business-development?edition_id=8c3f0fc0-40ff-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #askgaryvee #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749533562890817540)
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@andreslazo1 ¡GLOBAL BUSINESS está disponible! http://paper.li/Andreslazo1/1385753359?edition_id=f2d9c280-4108-11e6-a975-002590a5ba2d #brexit #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749550503936286720)
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@K4kd Ethossimo by Karim Djerboa is out! http://paper.li/K4kd/1394534600?edition_id=ee2bb8e0-410a-11e6-b680-0cc47a0d1605 #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749554075314884612)
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rMdes Loqi, there should be a way to exclude paper.li links, so much garbage
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@AlisonDGilbert The latest The ALISON D. GILBERT Daily! http://paper.li/AliEducates/1364910912?edition_id=ad730c70-410c-11e6-b7b0-0cc47a0d15fd #askgaryvee #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749557213279191040)
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@AlisonDGilbert The latest The ALISON D. GILBERT Daily! http://linkis.com/paper.li/AliEducates/JRFKU #askgaryvee #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749557217540571137)
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@AspirationPlatf The latest The Aspiration Platform Daily! http://paper.li/AspirationPlatf/1328774445?edition_id=75519540-410d-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #nomadtopiaradio #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749558619633512448)
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@JoeCarusoPMP The latest The Joe Caruso Daily! http://paper.li/JoeCarusoPMP?edition_id=6f8b0c30-410e-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b Thanks to @realdepp #sharkweek #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749560390749679616)
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@RogerMader Brand-Led Innovation is out! http://paper.li/RogerMader/1359893978?edition_id=5b1fcc90-4118-11e6-b680-0cc47a0d1605 #borisjohnson #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749578249144037376)
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@RogerMader Brand-Led Innovation is out! http://linkis.com/paper.li/RogerMader/pddrP #borisjohnson #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749578252591726592)
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@Inlinearts The latest inlinearts : ) inspire daily ! http://paper.li/InLineArts/1339996978?edition_id=ecb56430-4118-11e6-a975-002590a5ba2d #independenceday #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749579278338187264)
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j4y_funabashi Hey, is there a post-type-discovery style algorithm for webmentions?
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j4y_funabashi Can't seem to find anything on the wiki
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j4y_funabashi What is post type discovery
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Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for determining the type of a post by what properties it has and potentially what value(s) they have, which helps avoid the need for explicit post types that are being abandoned by modern post creation UIs https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery
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j4y_funabashi What is mention type discovery
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mention type discovery" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10PA
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@sj_sanchez The latest Managing Management! http://paper.li/sj_sanchez/1413927649?edition_id=6b3f93f0-411b-11e6-b7b0-0cc47a0d15fd #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749583776871813120)
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@NoSomosHormigas The latest We are not ants / No somos hormigas! http://paper.li/NoSomosHormigas/1347022018?edition_id=3d4ee850-411c-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749585254562799616)
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@smallbizIQ The latest The cream-of-small-business Daily! http://paper.li/smallbizIQ/cream-of-small-business?edition_id=4ac46220-411d-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749587146311335937)
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@a1cyclery The latest The A1 Cyclery Daily! http://paper.li/a1cyclery/paper?edition_id=97f4f910-411d-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749587692762107904)
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@Lifespirit76 The latest The Company start up Daily! http://paper.li/Lifespirit76/company-start-up-3?edition_id=6e6c1460-411e-11e6-b680-0cc47a0d1605 #readbyrichard #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749589195371536384)
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@startup_garage The latest The Startup Garage Daily! http://paper.li/startup_garage/1390583854?edition_id=7f710110-4120-11e6-bfc9-0cc47a0d1609 #breaking #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749592920056066048)
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@thomasmgeorge The latest The Business & Technology Tango! http://paper.li/thomasmgeorge/1353451164?edition_id=80a7a4f0-4123-11e6-b7b0-0cc47a0d15fd #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749598333002481664)
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[kevinmarks] Mentions are posts, so using post type discovery makes sense
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j4y_funabashi Yeah I thought that at first
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j4y_funabashi But I a reply post I have written is different from a comment on something I have written
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j4y_funabashi And some of the more exotic mentions like person tags are dependant on the position of the target url, which is not part of an h-entry's properties
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j4y_funabashi Hope that makes sense
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@TEC_BU The latest The BU TEC Daily! http://paper.li/TEC_BU/1348274701?edition_id=c9ae7940-412c-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #indieweb #dwebsummit (twitter.com/_/status/749615062508310534)
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j4y_funabashi Also salmention type discovery requires history of the source
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@rick_clay The latest Rick's Daily Dose! http://paper.li/rick_clay/1352919566?edition_id=ac07c430-412e-11e6-8b0f-0cc47a0d164b #readbyrichard #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/749618453330485248)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek !tell j4y_funabashi re: post-type-discovery style algorithm for webmentions, same algorithm
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell j4y_funabashi let's figure out any difference (or places that need more detail) that might exist with things like person tags or salmention. I'd prefer to incorporate those directly into post type discovery
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /longevity (+608) "kevinmarks longevity tweet, document vulnerabilities as trends occur, e.g. js for content" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] You cited the tweet and not the post on my site?
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tantek.com edited /Events (+2934) "move wiki events issues here (since it starts with this page), rewrite as lists of possibilities & options, and brainstorming for how to improve our use of events pages" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-point-of-html-is-to-be-a-resilient-long
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] The point of html is to be a resilient long term document format. Replacing it with nested javascript dependencies is a bad idea. #indieweb
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tantek.com edited /Events (-17) "move June to past" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Wow 20h+ of paper.li trash on the #indieweb Twitter hashtag" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/wow-20h-of-paperli-trash-on-the-indieweb-twitter-hashtag
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@RikMende Wow 20h+ of paper.li trash on the #indieweb Twitter hashtag (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/wow-20h-of-paperli-trash-on-the-indieweb-twitter-hashtag) (twitter.com/_/status/749693657528143872)
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tantek_ rMdes: what's paperli doing? I don't understand
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tantek.com edited /indieweb.org () "(-1404) note existing use of 2016.indieweb.org for the summit, expand Why section to explain why *current* use of indieweb.org (since we have some), move events to actual events page where issues etc. can be documented inline" (view diff)
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GWG !tell snarfed I found a better way to do one of the changes I was doing based on something I did in webmentions. Going to resubmit as part of the request to clean up.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rMdes all these users in some way collected a tweet with the indieweb hashtag and now their "paper" got out. since that particular tweet might be popular (even relatively to other collected content) it ends ups has "featured" hashtag on that particluar "paper" edition, hence the "promoted" tweet
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rMdes among all the services actually useful to curate a bunch of links, I have this particular disgust for paper.li, #webjunk and the damn service is still alive /paperlirantover
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rMdes in short : http://prntscr.com/bodcca
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GWG snarfed, I am glad that you didn't accept that PR
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miklb it's spam imo
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tantek miklb is it all those tweets with "The latest ... Daily ..." ?
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tantek like those users have auth'd paperli to auto-tweet on their behalf perhaps?
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tantek trying to figure out a way to filter this spam that doesn't just resort to banning everyone that seems to get suckered into authing paperli
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tantek that being said, if you see specific accounts there that you think are just spam themselves (in addition to the paperli tweets) then definitely point them out and there's a few folks that can ban specific accounts
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tantek wow a lot of those accounts seem to be *only* paperli tweeters
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tantek yeah, anyone who only tweets the same paperli junk for a month is not adding value to anybody and thus getting the ban hammer
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tantek !spammer TEC_BU
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Loqi Got it! There are now 50 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !spammer smallbizIQ
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Loqi Got it! There are now 51 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !spammer AspirationPlatf
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Loqi Got it! There are now 52 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !tell GWG,snarfed,miklb do you get any value from @WordPressTTT ? Seems to just repeat stuff seen elsewhere with no additional value. Considering banning as spam.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb tantek yes.
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miklb they aren't direct links to articles
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tantek yes = ban? or yes = you get value?
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tantek !spammer K4kd
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Loqi Got it! There are now 53 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !spammer JoeCarusoPMP
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Loqi Got it! There are now 54 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !spammer NoSomosHormigas
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Loqi Got it! There are now 55 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !spammer Lifespirit76
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Loqi Got it! There are now 56 spammers blacklisted
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tantek !spammer thomasmgeorge
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Loqi Got it! There are now 57 spammers blacklisted
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tantek wow so many accounts where all they do is tweet the same paperli stuff
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tantek for weeks on end
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tantek (if not months!)
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tantek thanks for the heads-up rMdes miklb. hopefully the above will put a dent in it.
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miklb tantek I'm not familiar with that WP account. I think it posts updates from the support fourm?
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GWG tantek, I need to check the support forums more
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 41 minutes ago: do you get any value from @WordPressTTT ? Seems to just repeat stuff seen elsewhere with no additional value. Considering banning as spam. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-07-03/line/1467582683368
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[kevinmarks] Maybe loqi could filter out posts with paper.li in
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tantek kevinmarks feel free to add to https://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi#Ideas
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@wpmudev Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=153678 #wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/749744542941745152)
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@muc_webdesigner Trackbacks vs Pingbacks vs Webmentions for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=153678 #wpmudev (twitter.com/_/status/749745633205096448)
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tantek ^^^ makes me think we should write blog posts about WordPress ;)
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