gRegorLoveMaybe worth uploading a copy of that u-featured photo to the wiki so we're not using instagram cdn url? Presuming the photo taker is ok with CC0
[chrisaldrich]tantek: I'm optomistic too, so thanks for putting them in there. I'll update them as we go along. Hoping to lock a location for next week tomorrow. I'll see what we can do to keep things up as a lead-in to IWC LA in November
[chrisaldrich]How's the NY planning coming? I'm tempted to come out to your back yard for that one... I'm still thinking about doing a camp in Baltimore in January, but won't have plans for my two other events then locked in until September some time.
[chrisaldrich]Mostly WordCamp OC was missing the vigor of new users (who were shut out of the ticket window that closed after about 5 hours), so there were very few beginner sessions or even an "nstall fest" in the morning of day one.
[chrisaldrich]WordCamp LA has a lot more space, so it'll take them a while to sell out. They've also got a larger community here than the OC area does.
[chrisaldrich]That's a good question. I've been thinking about something similar or potentially a series of install/use videos (which might also double as documentation for some of the plugins)
[chrisaldrich]Using the indiemark levels [http://indieweb.org/indiemark] may be a reasonable outline, though even a step by step set up everything in the IndieWeb Plugin would probably work well too.
GWGWell, the Indieweb plugin went from trying to be the Jetpack for Indieweb to being a plugin installer, to being a plugin installer + identity/h-card elements. But we can put instructions in it.
[chrisaldrich]Having better instructions on each of the individual ones first would be helpful, then bundling those into the bigger one (as well as the wiki would be useful).
[chrisaldrich]I had a few plugins that added additional data into the standard User profile, but did the identity/h-card stuff add some additional fields into the user profile for adding better h-card support?
[chrisaldrich]It's been a while since I looked at the code, so I wasn't sure which fields were coming from which plugins. I'll have to do a fresh install with only indieweb to test/document things.
[chrisaldrich]I'm planning on doing an indieweb site for a friend in the next week or so. That'll be a good opportunity to test the latest workflow and I'll put together a long post and some documentation together based on that.
[chrisaldrich]I saw a new WP dev phillycodehound join the channel last week and hoped he might have some thoughts for us as well as he begins exploring.
[kevinmarks]So twitter is making a push about verification. We could do indie verification by having a little bit of js that checks related me backlinks
[chrisaldrich]Good job. I think they're an improvement over the previous set (particularly the ones in the admin interface which seem slightly different than those in the display, no?)
[kevinmarks]"Twitter's support page says it favors people who use their real name or recognizable stage name, as well as a profile or header photo that accurately represents the person. You can also provide URLs to support the request"
[kevinmarks]"When providing URLs to support your request, choose sites that help express the account holder’s newsworthiness or relevancy in their field."
petermolnari ended up using an all-in stream for home; using tags as main labelling; and, because wordpress has built-in undying categories, categories as post-type cache
voxpellipetermolnar: regarding that tags needs to specified per site – one can use URL:s for categories through u-category – this is eg. how one can tag a post as IndieNews: https://news.indieweb.org/how-to-submit-a-post
voxpelliI think there has been discussions on somehow making a sites "firehose" of posts discoverable if someone wants to subscribe to everything rather than just a specific section. That might make sense to subscribe to without making sense in the primary UI
petermolnarif I want to make it easier for machines, I probably do, so u-category as (extendes list of) post type and tag as regular folksonomy of whatever is related to the post
[chrisaldrich]It may be a few years out, but who's to say that there isn't an indieweb algorithm in the future (similar to facebook's) that's able to sit on top of hundreds of thousands of sites (federated perhaps) that helps to algorighmically bubble up what users prefer to see in their readers (one canyt follow everything)? Having a way to better represent posts, photos, etc. with reasonable metadata with mf2 as in the above discussion wil be much more im
[chrisaldrich]It is an itch now, my problem is that I don't have a big enough or well-formed enough data set to make it personally realizable at present. :slightly_smiling_face:
GWGOn that note, time for work...after that...continuing my round robin of minor plugin bugfixes...yesterday was Post Kinds, moved to minor shifts in Syndication Links. May swing through updating the indiewebcamp links in the Indieweb plugin to Indieweb.org, and then back to Micropub.
[chrisaldrich]In fact, it's fine when my mom likes family photos, but it feels a bit embarrassing when she's liking my posts about quantum information theory. :wink:
aaronpki'm just not convinced an algorithmic solution for filtering posts is the right approach. luckily facebook and twitter are trying it out at a large scale now so we'll get to see the results from that
[chrisaldrich]It's those use cases that make it an itch for me in addition to research I do in areas like genetic algorighms that will be applicable to these problems later on
[chrisaldrich]thanks Tantek, I do appreciate the "build for yourself for now" philosophy, but I also know there's a lot of functionality Harry & Mary Beercan will want in Gen4 that some should think about in the backs of our minds.
tantekthe point about the latter gen stuff is that it's hard to really illuminate what's going to be needed for that without *first* building stuff and iterating yourself
tanteknearly no one has enough "future vision" to just leap to the what is the right answer for gen4, so don't bother. instead, iterate your way there with real world building / experimenting
[chrisaldrich]a lot of the stuff I'd like to (and should) post more about has such a tiny niche audience compared to the more quotidient material which has a larger audience; I suppose I'll just continue building the training set. :slightly_smiling_face:
Loqisnarfed: GWG left you a message 2 weeks, 3 days ago: I found a better way to do one of the changes I was doing based on something I did in webmentions. Going to resubmit as part of the request to clean up.
Loqisnarfed: tantek left you a message 2 weeks, 3 days ago: do you get any value from @WordPressTTT ? Seems to just repeat stuff seen elsewhere with no additional value. Considering banning as spam.