#indieweb 2016-07-21

2016-07-21 UTC
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tantek aaronpk: I remembered the distinction between u-featured and u-photos for /this-week
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aaronpk oh?
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tantek u-featured was only for display purposes in the newsletter for *upcoming* events, never for being a featured photo of the /this-week POSSE copies itself
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aaronpk that makes sense
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tantek thus past events would never show u-featured photos in the /this-week newsletter
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aaronpk tho I still think u-featured shouldn't be pictures of people from past events
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tantek and thus /this-week tweets would never use a u-featured photo
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aaronpk if they are pictures of people from past events then the u-featured should be removed after the event is over
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tantek even for upcoming events?
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tantek ohhhh
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aaronpk it only makes sense for upcoming events before the event has happened
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tantek interesting
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tantek I agree that logically makes sense
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tantek I cannot think of any FB events where once the event has passed, the featured photo is changed
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aaronpk maybe the actual position/layout of the photo makes that not look odd
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tantek I tried to model the presentation of the featured photo on event pages to be similar to the "heading image" style of FB event pages
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aaronpk it's close
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aaronpk i think the photo butting up against the top of the page is actually significant
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aaronpk on the wiki there's still the wiki page title
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aaronpk let's see if turning that off looks better
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club vs https://www.facebook.com/events/1253184404692678/
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aaronpk that actually helps a lot
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aaronpk the facebook featured photo is also a shorter height (different aspect ratio), not sure if shortening ours would help even more but that's definitely a difference
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aaronpk i don't know tho, I look at that facebook event and it definitely looks like those people were at that july 13 event
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KevinMarks_ We used the "lots of faces" composite before
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Loqi KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message 2 weeks, 2 days ago: looks like we have an existing issue re: mobile presentation https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/27 please add more details there!
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tantek whoa old message
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aaronpk yeah i forgot to move the !tells to the new channel!
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tantek the lots of faces made sense for the camps but not necessarily the hwc
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tantek aaronpk yes notitle helps!
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tantek hmm - I think I adjusted the height / aspect ratio to better fit the photo, but maybe I was thinking too "photo-like" rather than "feature-impression-image" like
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tantek (to explain the difference between wiki page and FB event)
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tantek checking the aspect ratio
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tantek 784x294
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tantek 0.375
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tantek aaronpk reload https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-27-homebrew-website-club
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aaronpk that is better
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aaronpk the other thing it's missing is the date in the header section
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tantek and the image is not tight flush up against the light blue "Page Read Edit View History" tabs
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tantek ah 16px padding in the theme
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aaronpk here's what it looks like with -16px top margin on the photo https://aaronparecki.com/media/file-20160721005553-96455.png
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tantek yep that's nicer
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tantek ok that's enough cleanup iteration for one day to then let it sit and see what else pops out (like the event date)
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aaronpk small but good improvement
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tantek that is often the case!
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tantek design++ :)
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Loqi design has 3 karma (1 in this channel)
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tantek and updated next two months events accordingly
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aaronpk tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 303 karma (3 in this channel)
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tantek appreciate the NOITTLE tweak aaronpk, that really helped inspire making this set of improvements
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tantek s/NOITTLE/NOTITLE
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tantek and especially noticing the (apparently now) unnecessary difference in aspect ratio
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KevinMarks that's a lot of exclamation marks
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KartikPrabhu dos this work?
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 2 days, 11 hours ago: Would be great to have you at IWC NYC2! 2016-08-27…28 https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC2
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I'll probably be moving at the time of the IWC so won't make it
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KartikPrabhu why does the log show a lot of blank lines?
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KartikPrabhu eg: http://indieweb.org/irc/2016-07-20#t1469063016973
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aaronpk oh boy, i bet those are joins
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aaronpk they are
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KartikPrabhu some joins show up
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aaronpk probably all before a certain time today
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aaronpk i've been doing a lot of migrations this past week
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KartikPrabhu aah ok
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KevinMarks anyone feel like some wordpress rescue?
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/chloepapas/status/755951648363601920
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@chloepapas @kevinmarks It is a bit of a pain! All the work on my portfolio page has disappeared: http://chloepapas.com/works/ But I'm over the theme.. (twitter.com/_/status/755951648363601920)
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aaronpk whee that was fun. reconfiguring my irc client too.
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: I could help
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@misuba So here: everyone seems to agree that #indieweb work is important, but nobody is getting paid to do it. (Hence the slow progress.) (twitter.com/_/status/755965762771165184)
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aaronpk ATTENTION: I am rebooting the indieweb server so the website and Loqi and things will be offline for about the next half hour or so!
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Loqi I think attention: i am rebooting the indieweb server so the website and loqi and things will be offline for about the next half hour
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aaronpk aw crap my irc client didn't save all the new channels
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aaronpk reboot is complete!
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aaronpk if you notice anything broken please let me know because it shouldn't be
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sknebel aaronpk: not sure if related and not super important, but https://news.indiewebcamp.com gives an HTTPS error instead of redirecting to news.indieweb.org
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sknebel (my browser remembers way to much from the old domain ;))
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aaronpk oh thanks. That's not related but I should fix it anyway
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aaronpk Actually wait that url has never had https
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sknebel strange
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sknebel ah, right, I added a HTTPS anywhere rule for indiewebcamp.com, so it tried automatically to switch... I guess?
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@bengo @misuba what #indieweb projects would you work on? Or should exist but don't? If you had six months free living expenses to go on? (twitter.com/_/status/756017205028855808)
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@anniewood good times shooting an episode of Instant Karma with @BusyKarma in ITALY! #italy #indieweb #karma https://twitter.com/anniewood/status/756084614335238144/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/756084614335238144)
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bear FYI - I'm heading to W.Va today and will be offline almost the entire time - back sometime sunday
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@RikMende Having fun playing with @withKnown / bootstrap CSS #indieweb https://www.rmendes.net/pages/welcome-to-my-spot-on-the-open-web (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/having-fun-playing-with-withknown-bootstrap-css-indieweb-pageswelcome-to-my-spot-on-the-open-web) (twitter.com/_/status/756162534034382848)
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miklb re: the previous discussion about PHP and versions, WP et al https://bpdevel.wordpress.com/2016/07/21/php-5-2-bp-2-8-and-php-support-guidelines/
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miklb petermolnar that link may be of interest to you ^
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petermolnar "BuddyPress 2.8 will require at least PHP 5.3.x. " at last!
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petermolnar it took only 7 years!
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voxpelli is still amazed at how bad the plugin system is in WordPress
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petermolnar but it makes money for many, many, many "coder"
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miklb I have a lot of respect for Boone, and he is a core committer, so I trust that with BP taking that approach, won't be long before core does too
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voxpelli if they were to allow for multiple versions of the same plugin then one could support a legacy and a nextgen plugin at once
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petermolnar miklb I would not hold my breath, core is becoming rather boneheaded
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voxpelli the only way to progressively introduce new language features into code is to allow two versions of the code base to co-exist – something eg. Drupal, node.js/npm and probably lots of other package managers allow
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voxpelli I guess composer as wel
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miklb I learned not to hold my breath on a lot of things WP related a long time ago :-)
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petermolnar personally I would got nuts without static:: and, lately, namespaces and closures, so I'm not even pushing anything to the official wp repos any more
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voxpelli petermolnar: in js-land they would use all the cool new bits and just transpile it to old boring code ;)
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petermolnar 5.3 is 7 years old, I wouldn't consider those features new & shiny :P
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aaronpk wow has it been that long?
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miklb these discussions make a little sad that Habari never got traction.
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@kevinmarks @chloepapas you're very welcome to come chat in https://indieweb.org/irc/2016-07-21 - @gRegorLove and others hangh out there (twitter.com/_/status/756172069943910400)
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gRegorLove New layout for FB pages, looks like.
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gRegorLove https://twitter.com/chrismessina/status/756027140508823557
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@chrismessina This is a new design for Facebook pages, right? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn3yrMbUEAAMoMH.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/756027140508823557)
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snarfed speaking of which, i wonder if we can rename the indiewebcamp fb page to indieweb. looking
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snarfed looks unlikely; https://www.facebook.com/indieweb is already taken :/
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snarfed yup. i requested to change the name to just Indie Web though
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snarfed do we also need a "camp"-less logotype? would be weird since the logo itself is "IWC". sorry, you all have probably already discussed that. :P
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aaronpk yeah, the current one doesn't work just dropping the "C"
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snarfed yup
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[shaners] snarfed: it’s on my todo list.
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marinintim hi, folks, I'm thinking of writing an article on indieweb for frontiermag.ru, what do you think I should cover? I plan it as gentle introduction with pointers to wiki and akin.
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marinintim (but probably I should sit down and implement posting on my own site first, huh)
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singpolyma aaronpk: does https://github.com/aaronpk/omniauth-indieauth support a mode where users enter their domain in a form on my site? the example just links to /auth/indieauth which I assume redirects to a form on indieauth.com where they can fill it out?
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Loqi singpolyma: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 2016-06-11 at 5:32pm UTC: have you make a PR back to gnu social for you webmention fixes yet?
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Loqi singpolyma: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 2016-06-14 at 9:14am UTC: have you created a pull request for gnu-social fixes you did yet?
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tantek welcome back singpolyma !
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singpolyma Loqi: tell ben_thatmustbeme yes, and IIRC it's all been merged into at least nightly
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singpolyma ... is that the right syntax? Loqi doesn't seem to respond to "help"
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aaronpk hm a few people have tried that, i should add it
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sknebel !tell singpolyma this is how it works
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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singpolyma !tell ben_thatmustbeme yes, and IIRC it's all been merged into at least nightly
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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singpolyma sknebel: thx
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aaronpk singpolyma: there's no HTML forms or anything in that gem, but the "request phase" it does for omniauth is the redirect you're talking about
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aaronpk so you could make your own form and redirect to the auth server yourself
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singpolyma aaronpk: so if I make a form that POST to /auth/indieauth on my site with a field for domain?
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aaronpk it'd be a GET but yes
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aaronpk basically make the form that you see on indieauth.com
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aaronpk if you set the callback URL to the route that the omniauth gem expects then it will take over from there
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singpolyma aaronpk: oh, I see. not a form to post to /auth/indieauth, but to get to indieauth.com itself
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aaronpk right
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singpolyma would be nice if the gem could handle that (taking the "me" from a form in-app and adding the client_id and redirect to indieauth.com)
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aaronpk yeah definitely a good idea
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singpolyma should I open a github issue?
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aaronpk sure
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tantek singpolyma, btw, one thing we added since you were last here was a new channel #indieweb-dev for dev-focused/specific questions/discussions (usually involves underlying technologies). also archived. check it out! http://chat.indieweb.org/dev/
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ben_thatmustbeme cool
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: singpolyma left you a message 13 minutes ago: yes, and IIRC it's all been merged into at least nightly
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ben_thatmustbeme singpolyma++
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gRegorLove Welcome, marinintim! I think https://indieweb.org/principles would be a good place to start and maybe https://indieweb.org/videos_about_the_indieweb
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aaronpk so did anyone even notice the site was down last night?
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aaronpk all told it was a pretty smooth upgrade
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snarfed aaronpk++
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, loqi does over 1000 karma now?
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ben_thatmustbeme loqi++
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tantek aaronpk++ did not notice any down time! nice work
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aaronpk awesome. it was totally down for about an hour, like 7-8pm or so. nobody was chatting here so I figured it was a good time :)
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Loqi CherryPuffs: You can't karma yourself!
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CherryPuffs lol
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CherryPuffs Loqi--
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[chrisaldrich] I found out this morning that the local Pasadena Apple store has a nice little conference room (which they typically use for business services and meetings) hiding in the back of the store. They occasionally let it out for community building purposes, so I've just gotten back from a brief pitch meeting to see if they'll give the Los Angeles area HWC space for regular meetups. It might be a worthwhile idea for other cities to explore if they ne
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[chrisaldrich] tech-forward space for hosting.
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aaronpk nice!
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, earlier I posted a question in the #microformats channel on which you may have some useful advice to provide
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@generic_brian @evacide I haven't gone to a meeting in years but indieweb has been essentially doing this but for n-social networks https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/756252456888115200)
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[kevinmarks] Could this work with indieauth? https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/06/2-cookie-handoff
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aaronpk that sounds like oauth2 access tokens vs refresh tokens
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aaronpk ah i see
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aaronpk it's not really part of the indieauth flow
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aaronpk since it's about session cookie management, which happens after you've authenticated
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mblaney shaners, snarfed, aaronpk: I was tinkering with the logo yesterday instead of doing actual work... http://svgur.com/s/6b
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Loqi indieweb http://svgur.com/i/6b.svg
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mblaney feel free to use, even if it's just as an example of what we don't want :-P
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aaronpk hah that's neat
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mblaney the process really just confirmed for me how nice the current logo is.
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KevinMarks I will miss the pacman if we drop the C
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mblaney KevinMarks you just need to think of a reason why only the pacman part should be the logo...
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mblaney "recovering independent websites one bite at a time, while avoiding ghostly silos"? or something
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mblaney reverse designing. it's just like reverse engineering.
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KevinMarks_ Quill seems to want to reauth each time
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aaronpk hm did i not set the cookie expiration?
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aaronpk it is quite possible it's using the default of expire the cookie when the browser closes
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KevinMarks_ Ah, no its me being confused, because it shows the sign in field much more obviously than the note, editor etc links
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KevinMarks_ And the signed in link is below the fold
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KevinMarks_ So a ux issue, not a cookie one