#indieweb 2016-08-02

2016-08-02 UTC
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wagle is there something like mediagoblin that works un ubuntu 16.04?
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tantek what is mediagoblin?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/MediaGoblin
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wagle i dont wanna reinstall it.. takes hours
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wagle .. of fiddling
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gmack /plugin
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wagle what are the cool kidds using for photo galleries these days?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cool kidds using for photo galleries these days" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks_ We've been pondering that today
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KevinMarks_ What is an album?
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Loqi An album is another name for a collection of photos or songs https://indieweb.org/album
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GWG tantek: Have you noticed anyone putting h-entry on the body element?
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tantek GWG, pretty sure (some) W3C specs
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GWG Can an h-entry be too broad?
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tantek I don't understand the question
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tantek can <body> be too broad?
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GWG https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/691
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GWG I made an assumption when I joined the community based on an observation, and I'm reevaluating said observation in light of snarfed's comment.
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tantek reading
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wagle KevinMarks_: for me, here, its a display of photos from both sides of my family, of old pictures that I dont know which belong to which side
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tantek GWG, sounds like bad WordPress markup. It's perfectly reasonable to markup the entire body as h-entry
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tantek if you put u-photo on every photo, then you're kind of saying, hey every photo is part of this post
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GWG Even if it is within an h-card?
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tantek which I see snarfed just said
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tantek https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/691#issuecomment-236767094
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wagle so people add comments as to who's who, and I get photos off to someone on the appropriate side of the family
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tantek no inside an h-card is fine if it's the photo of the person for the h-card
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tantek but in that case, bridgy won't treat it as a photo of the h-entry
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GWG Yes. I see the followup. Just wondering about the broader question
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tantek why?
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tantek what's the difference to you between <body> and h-entry?
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tantek maybe this is an #indieweb-dev discussion
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KevinMarks_ So your use case is person tagging by a group?
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wagle photos are jumbled in two large boxes.. each one is individually unknown
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wagle photo tagging is done by each living relative that's interested
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wagle KevinMarks_: someone suggested https://github.com/electerious/Lychee and I'm looking into it
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wagle mediagobin b0rked when upgraded from 1504 to 1604 (not a big surprise0
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wagle )
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wagle anyone already if there's a way to setup ssh on your new droplet remotely? or do you have to login and do it by hand?
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wagle anyone already KNOW if there's a way to setup ssh on your new droplet remotely? or do you have to login and do it by hand?
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miklb I think you can add a key to your account and add it when creating a new droplet
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wagle i reinstalled to keep the same ip address
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tantek what is a droplet?
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Loqi Droplet is the cute name DigitalOcean uses for its virtual private server instances https://indieweb.org/Droplet
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miklb I can only image who created that answer
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wagle oh sorry, wrong channel, but you might know anyway
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miklb snarknitions--
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Loqi snarknitions has -1 karma
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tantek wait how is that snarky?
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miklb "cute
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tantek I read that as ;) not :P
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miklb ok
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wagle apparently they let you make your own messae once the image is created
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wagle apparently they let you make your own mess once the image is created
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tantek miklb, hey I only prompted that dfn apparently. kylewm created it ;)
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[rickc] Re article vs album: isn't it both if it has an explicit name, content, and multiple photos?
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[rickc] You could present the same content as an article, or just pull the photos and show as an album
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tantek rickc, while that sounds good abstractly, in practice it rarely maps due to all the specifics of the discussion we had, e.g. once the text as prose resembles a narrative across the photos, then the post is more of an article than an album.
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tantek if you do find a real world example that you think could easily present multiple ways and be ambiguous as such, definitely share the link!
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tantek chrisaldrich++ for a very nice writeup: http://boffosocko.com/2016/07/27/homebrew-website-club-meetup-pasadena-los-angeles/
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 4 karma (3 in this channel)
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] Homebrew Website Club Meetup Pasadena/Los Angeles 7/27/16 http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d5fb4e498fe609cc29b04e5b7ad688c4?s=42&d=mm&r=pg
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[kevinmarks] Hm http://about.psyc.eu/Federation
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@kevinmarks I think @paul_kinlan needs to get some #indieweb help with his web of data ideas https://paul.kinlan.me/the-headless-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/760395496162598912)
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@stuartlewis @gobfrey https://indieweb.org/POSSE Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere #rfringe16 (twitter.com/_/status/760436746316308481)
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@PowerVirg #rfringe16 Good explanation of POSSE here https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/760438753202728960)
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sknebel wagle: for albums, there is also piwigo.org, on piwigo.com you can get a free 30 day test-account to a hosted one if you want to try the UI first
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wagle sknebel: currently trying lychee.. very slick, but maybe too simple
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wagle sknebel: thanks for the pointer!
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wagle yeah, you can add comments, which I need
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petermolnar lychee is nice, but really limited
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wagle just now got it to completely work, yeah.. limited.. 8/
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wagle nice though
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terminalpixel wagle: Been looking at photo albums recently too. At the moment I use micropub to publish a whole load of photos individually (hidden on my site) then create a collection post that displays all the photos
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terminalpixel Also made a proof of concept tool to send a bunch of photos via micropub fairly easily http://photopostr.tpxl.io/
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KevinMarks_ This is interesting, but does seem like an odd use of rel jakearchibald.com/2016/performance-benefits-of
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aaronpk uhh https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/02/4/snapchat
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Instagram just added Snapchat as a feature http://blog.instagram.com/post/148348940287/160802-stories #indieweb
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/760502220987076608
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@kevinmarks Fascinating - court rules that easily searchable strings are de facto URIs because URNs are resolved by googling. https://twitter.com/grimmelm/status/760497047455797248 (twitter.com/_/status/760502220987076608)
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aaronpk wow medium just keeps gobbling everyone up
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aaronpk https://medium.com/@screeley/embedly-medium-c182db023861
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aaronpk what is embedly?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "embedly" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk hmm
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miklb Is Embedly just an oEmbed service?
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aaronpk it's a little more than that but essentially yes
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KevinMarks_ I hope that comment about standards is true. I do feel medium could engage more there
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aaronpk "Developers lack strong standards and end up reinventing the wheel with every new embed."
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voxpelli Impressive, will be interesting to follow how Superfeedr and Embedly both develop at Medium – sounds like they for once will actually continue to actively support the public products, nice compared to ordinary acquires
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tantek give it a few months and lets see what happens
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@kongaloosh My favourite part of the indieweb: when you make a post outline the neat thing you made, breaking it in the process… http://kongaloosh.com/e/2016/8/2/my-favourite-part-of-the-indieweb-when-you-make-a-post-outline-the-neat-thing-you-made-breaking-it-in-the-process (twitter.com/_/status/760524240365817856)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Everyone is trying to be "the next Facebook", while Facebook continues to struggle to get original content on their network as people tend to share" by Tino Kremer https://tinokremer.nl/2016/everyone-is-trying-to-be-the-next-facebook-while-facebook
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Loqi [indieweb] "I can concur with the "slow burn" philosophy, though you are correct. Some things are really missing to make it a mature platform. For one, it's" by Tino Kremer https://tinokremer.nl/2016/i-can-concur-with-the-slow-burn-philosophy-though-you
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Loqi [indieweb] "I do not get it; RSS is not dead (on the contrary, new feeds pop up every day). There are lots of applications both web" by Tino Kremer https://tinokremer.nl/2016/i-do-not-get-it-rss-is-not-dead-on
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Loqi [indieweb] "New Scientist - We want our internet back" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/new-scientist---we-want-our-internet-back
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@kevinmarks "It sounds utopian, and in many ways it was – but far too fiddly for most people to faff about with." http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/new-scientist---we-want-our-internet-back #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/760585212040400897)
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Loqi [indieweb] ""It sounds utopian, and in many ways it was – but far too fiddly for most people to faff about with." http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/new-scientist---we-want-our-internet-back #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/it-sounds-utopian-and-in-many-ways-it-was-but
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KevinMarks Did medium's story importer go away?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Thanks everyone for taking a look and for the help! Apologies if I offended anyone -- without having read through any of the brid.gy code," by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/thanks-everyone-for-taking-a-look-and-for-the-help
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Loqi [indieweb] "New Scientist — We want our internet back" by Kevin Marks https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/new-scientist-we-want-our-internet-back-db5532db6074?source=rss-d2f50a6a3291------2
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KevinMarks Oh, it's hidden on the stories page on a greyed out looking button
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@kevinmarks hi @halhod @newscientist If you want more grassroots fighting for the internet, come to IndieWebCamp Brighton https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton (twitter.com/_/status/760597968936251392)
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tantek hmm - can we make that page friendlier like our other event pages?
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@energyovertime Sometime I forget what an interesting and diverse group of friends I have around the world #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/760607476605526017)
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ChrisAldrich Has anyone had issues with http://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/? I've spun up a new site to write some documentation and have rel-me on the site & twitter, but it's saying it "doesn’t link back". Yet, I'm able to use IndieAuth to log into the Wiki...
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aaronpk yeah, can't remember what is wrong but someone else had that happen the other day
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aaronpk oh it was because twitter is doing user agent sniffing on the t.co redirect
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aaronpk and not actually returning an http redirect for browsers (and the agent that indiewebify uses)
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ChrisAldrich I thought I'd seen something in the logs, but hadn't heard if it was fixed.
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ChrisAldrich I figured it may have been linked to all the recent changes lately and thought I'd report the bug.
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aaronpk commented here https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/47
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aaronpk indiewebify hasn't had any updates in a while actually
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aaronpk anyone is welcome to contribute to it though!
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aaronpk it auto-deploys from github as soon as PRs are merged to master
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ChrisAldrich maybe a refresh at an upcoming camp? :)
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aaronpk that usually doesn't work well :)
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aaronpk everyone's too excited to work on their own site
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ChrisAldrich But isn't that every day aaronpk? ;)
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aaronpk 🎉🎉🎉🎉
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ChrisAldrich goes back to writing documentation...
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Speaking of, I have a pending PR on indiewebify.me
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aaronpk oh!
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aaronpk totally missed that, thanks
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gRegorLove np. Is there a way to check on the deployment from github? Looks like it hasn't updated.
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aaronpk hm the build failed https://travis-ci.org/indieweb/indiewebify-me/builds/149338527
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aaronpk tests all passed, not sure what's wrong
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snarfed the last deploy command, dpl.3, failed
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snarfed click on dpl.3 to expand it
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snarfed doesn't show why though
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snarfed actually not even clear that dpl.3 itself failed
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gRegorLove "Updating service [default].../Deployment failed." when you expand it.
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aaronpk might need to upgrade stuff
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aaronpk so much for low-maintenance deploys
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gRegorLove Maybe "The `gcloud preview app` command group is deprecated; please use the `gcloud app` commands instead."
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aaronpk i shoulda just made it autodeploy to my normal server
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aaronpk i have a couple other repos that do that and it's super simple
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Loqi I agree
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