#indieweb 2016-08-04

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@mistersargent @JulioHuato @facebook I agree with ur Facebook boycott. What we need is a federated social media which can't be shut down. C: @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/760990769431871488)
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@JulioHuato @mistersargent @indiewebcamp Great to see you here, Scott. For longer posts, I will use Medium. Expropriate the expropriator! @facebook (twitter.com/_/status/760997427683987456)
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tantek now that I used Layout to tile three photos with one wide one across the top and two square-ish ones below, I'm not sure if I like that tiled result or just the one wide photo
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tantek artistically speaking vs telling more of a story with multiple photos in one photo
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tantek how do people here choose whether to pick one photo to post about something, or to use Layout or some other photo app to tile a few photos into a collage to post?
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tantek I feel like this tiling / collage question overlaps a bit with Kongaloosh's album / article question / motivation
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tantek too much work (for now) to post the three separate photos, I'm going to post the one tiled collage
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tantek wonders if anyone else posting photos struggles with this (e.g. aaronpk noting he had to post a multiphoto on Twitter not his own site)
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KevinMarks_ I run snapseed on android to crop
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tantek also what's up with Instagram adding a Snapchat stories feature?!?
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KevinMarks_ Or rely on Google photos to sync to the mac/Chromebook and do it there
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gRegorLove "Snapchat for adults" a friend joked, re: instagram stories
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tantek alright this is so weird to hear the voices of people I am following on IG
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tantek something very uncanny UX about this
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tantek second guesses his decision to post the tiled collage after considering what it will look like as a photo on his own site
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tantek photo posting is hard
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tantek (when considering PESOS, indieweb, POSSE, and different audiences on different apps / devices)
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tantek decides to prefer what it will look like on his own site
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tantek or rather optimize for that rather than silo viewing
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tantek ok KevinMarks you are right, too many pixels (even if heavily compressed) crashes IG
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tantek decides to go for 1920x1080 because that seems like a standard of sorts :P
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tantek hmm that over did it
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tantek perhaps 4k is the answer
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tantek 2160 lines, 2x 1080p
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KevinMarks_ Classic instagram was smaller than that
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tridnguyen does anyone know if this project is abandoned? https://github.com/mko/passport-indieauth
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KevinMarks What is passport?
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Loqi Passport (capitalized) is an authentication library for Node.js https://indieweb.org/Passport
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KevinMarks Ah, ok. I was thinking of the long ago Microsoft auth thing
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aaronpk hmm haven't heard from mko in a while
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tridnguyen aaronpk: I see
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/FakeUnicode/status/761089311697580034
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@FakeUnicode Maybe that is what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tags_(Unicode_block) have been undeprecated for @kevinmarks @Emojipedia https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/761081415286960128 (twitter.com/_/status/761089311697580034)
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[kevinmarks] There was a way to tag language in unicode
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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Loqi good morning!
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@notae De l’utilité d’un site web pour les auteurs qui se respectent http://page42.org/de-lutilite-dun-site-web/ | á rapprocher du mouvement #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/761126844364165120)
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@cbraceNL @mistersargent @JulioHuato @facebook @indiewebcamp Looking forward to that day! (twitter.com/_/status/761133908440260608)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#Facebook doesn't allow #Flipboard's to read articles shared in your newsfeed by friends. #indieweb https://about.flipboard.com/inside-flipboard/what-you-need-to-know-about-facebook-changes-on-flipboard/" by Tino Kremer https://tinokremer.nl/2015/facebook-doesnt-allow-flipboards-to-read-articles-shared-in-your
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@tvnweb @calum_ryan Hey! I updated the page, we'll meet at The Marwood. https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint#Where (twitter.com/_/status/761206307588304896)
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petermolnar hi all
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi good morning!
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gRegorLove Good morning
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petermolnar according to http://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery I should differentiate between repost w/ image vs post w/ image, but I think this only matters for remote parsers
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petermolnar as for myself, it's any image post; it shouldn't matter if it's a repost, should it?
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petermolnar ah, I probably should clarify
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petermolnar I'm revisiting my post format auto-detector
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gRegorLove It should look different than a post w/ image, since it's not yours; original author attribution
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petermolnar of course; there is an link presented at the top
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petermolnar but from the "stream" point of view, it's just another image post, is it not?
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petermolnar which raised the question: should I categorize everything that has an image as an image post, even if it's a repost, but of course display the source URL?
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gRegorLove Not sure what the stream point of view means
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aaronpk i think it depends on what you're trying to do with the post
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[rickc] !tell tridnguyen I have an indieauth passport strategy you might be interested in: https://github.com/richardcarls/passport-indieauth
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk trying to filter it into categories? i've found that some of my posts with images i don't want categorized as image posts (e.g. my food posts)
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aaronpk trying to display it in a feed? maybe you don't need to know "this is a photo post" but instead just recognize "there is a photo here" and render it
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petermolnar aaronpk same for me with photo vs image
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gRegorLove What is Passport?
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Loqi Passport (capitalized) is an authentication library for Node.js https://indieweb.org/Passport
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voxpelli [rickc]: interesting, maybe something I should add to https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ as that lacks some indie-style authentication :)
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petermolnar right now, I ended up reusing the indestructable WP category as my post format category, and I have reply, repost, image, etc. categories
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petermolnar more than I believe to be useful
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petermolnar but what's a problem from my point of view, that if I have 'image', everything that is an image post should be there, even if it's a repost
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petermolnar and I was just curious to ask how other approach this problem
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petermolnar (photo in my case is an entirely different issue; those are rare photos I took and I consider them good enough to show the world; image is everything else that resembles a picture )
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voxpelli petermolnar: multiple categories?
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petermolnar no, that's tags
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petermolnar but you do have a point
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petermolnar I use this for layout decisions, so 'format' has to be singular
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voxpelli then maybe your layout should be based on composable parts rather than full templates? :)
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voxpelli if you have two optional features that can be added to a template, then you need four different template to solve all scenarios. with 4 optional ones you need 16 etc, so composing might be a better fit
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petermolnar voxpelli this in this case, this is not a problem; it's more of a question of how and what should be in the same category
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petermolnar but since it's my site, I guess I could say, if it has an image, it's an image, since the repost url is part of the content and it will be shown anyway
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voxpelli if you repost a post with an image and a location for example, will your template handle that?
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voxpelli or will it ignore the location and prioritize the image?
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voxpelli tries to remember a discussion about component/composition vs post types, but can't find any docs in the wiki
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petermolnar I don't repost with locations; but I also tend to make most things part of the content, so templates won't ignore things
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petermolnar this is merely a where to display what question for me
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: inline RTL works in reverse without implementers knowing (twitter.com/_/status/761237211853492224)
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KevinMarks Hm
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KevinMarks What is static sites?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/static_sites
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KevinMarks static_sites << https://speakerdeck.com/feministy/in-defense
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Loqi ok, I added "https://speakerdeck.com/feministy/in-defense" to the "See Also" section of /static_sites
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KevinMarks Ah, oops
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cmal just stumbled upon https://ipfs.pics, that's a really interesting use-case for IPFS to build a store-once decentralized image sharing service : https://github.com/ipfspics/ipfspics-server
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KevinMarks static-site << https://speakerdeck.com/feministy/in-defense
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Loqi ok, I added "https://speakerdeck.com/feministy/in-defense" to the "See Also" section of /static-site
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KevinMarks Sorry aaronpk, I thought you fixed the redirect
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tridnguyen rickc thanks I'll take a look
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Loqi tridnguyen: [rickc] left you a message 1 hour, 42 minutes ago: I have an indieauth passport strategy you might be interested in: https://github.com/richardcarls/passport-indieauth
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@kevinmarks The title is "مفتاح معايير الويب!" in Arabic. (exclamation mark should be on left) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/761275923672993792)
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Loqi [indieweb] "The title is "مفتاح معايير الويب!”" in Arabic. (exclamation mark should be on left) #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-title-is-%D9%85%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%A8-in-arabicexclamation-mark-should
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Loqi [indieweb] "”® inline RTL works in reverse without implementers knowing #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/-inline-rtl-works-in-reverse-without-implementers-knowing
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aaronpk wow those even came through the superfeedr ping
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tantek why the extra " in front in the superfeedr version?
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tantek [@kevinmarks] The vs. [indieweb] "The
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KevinMarks So twitter strips the rlm
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aaronpk oh the other " is on the next line
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KevinMarks1 hm, http://indieweb.org/irc/2016-08-04/line/1470337311267 looks wrong
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Loqi [Loqi] [indieweb] "”® inline RTL works in reverse without implementers knowing #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/-inline-rtl-works-in-reverse-without-implementers-knowing...
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-title-is-%D9%85%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%A8-in-arabicexclamation-mark-should
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] The title is "مفتاح معايير الويب!”" in Arabic. (exclamation mark should be on left) #indieweb
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[kevinmarks] Slack gets it right too
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[kevinmarks] So twitter is breaking things by stripping rtl
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[kevinmarks] Or rather rlm
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aaronpk likely because they're applying their own heuristics to it
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@kevinmarks The title is "مفتاح معايير الويب!" in Arabic. (exclamation mark should be on left) #indieweb hmm (twitter.com/_/status/761279369578881025)
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@kevinmarks The title is “مفتاح معايير الويب!” in Arabic. (exclamation mark should be on left) #indieweb - smart quotes (twitter.com/_/status/761280791242379265)
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Loqi [indieweb] "The title is “مفتاح معايير الويب!”” in Arabic. (exclamation mark should be on left) #indieweb - smart quotes" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-title-is-%D9%85%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%A8-in-arabicexclamation-mark-should-be-on-left-indieweb---smart-quotes-1
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tantek makes me wonder if #indieweb-dev is a better place for i18n testing KevinMarks :)
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KevinMarks Ah, sorry
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KevinMarks I am spamming my own twitter and Facebook feeds too
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tantek KevinMarks you need @epeus_test :)
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KevinMarks Right, but I'd need a whole other known instance too
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aaronpk does known only support one twitter syndication account?
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GWG Three weeks till NYC 2
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GWG KevinMarks, maybe you can come, you are one of the people who I have not met in person.
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GWG We are easier to get tickets to than Hamilton.
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tantek LOL!
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tantek GWG does that mean you have a rap prepared for us?
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aaronpk three weeks, oh my
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GWG tantek, would you settle for something from 1776? I haven't seen Hamilton
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GWG Tell you what. If it will get people in the seats, I'll sing
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GWG I used to have this running joke that I was working on an album called GWG sings the Public Domain
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GWG Tantek, are you going to volunteer to sing backup
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tantek I've done backup before
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KevinMarks I'm too broke to go to nyc at the moment
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@tvnweb Full day Homebrew Website Club this Saturday in Brighton. Join us and work on your personal website! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/761288039964565505)
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tantek and the overlap has occured. we now have HWC full day and have had 1 day IWCs in the past :D
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bear two articles I posted related to a CoC conversation we had earlier - https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/07/23/talking-about-diversity-marginalization/ and https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/08/02/talking-about-diversity-conspiracy/
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bear code-of-conduct << https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/07/23/talking-about-diversity-marginalization/ and https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/08/02/talking-about-diversity-conspiracy/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/07/23/talking-about-diversity-marginalization/ and https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/08/02/talking-about-diversity-conspiracy/" to the "See Also" section of /code-of-conduct
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tantek having skimmed these, I'm glad Phil is blogging as he is (using his own site no less!)
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tantek whoa that works now?!?
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tantek hmm - might be better for /code-of-conduct-why since they're not directly related to our /code-of-conduct
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bear i'll fix
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bear code-of-conduct-why << https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/07/23/talking-about-diversity-marginalization/ and https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/08/02/talking-about-diversity-conspiracy/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/07/23/talking-about-diversity-marginalization/ and https://philsturgeon.uk/2016/08/02/talking-about-diversity-conspiracy/" to the "See Also" section of /code-of-conduct-why
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@kevinmarks @shinseikatsu they're still around, come join in at http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/761300762584506368)
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tantek "still around" sounds so sad KevinMarks. Why not they've been actively evolving and more capable than ever?
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aaronpk the "i miss microformats" tweets crack me up
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KevinMarks You can chime in too
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KevinMarks https://imgflip.com/i/18gb5w
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aaronpk just noticed that on medium, if someone you know highlights something, you see their name next to the highlight. otherwise you just see the highlighted text.
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neilpdx coolness.
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tantek "you know" ?= "you follow on Twitter"
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tantek and thus logged-in-view only?
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aaronpk can't remember if medium has its own following graph now
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aaronpk i think it does
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@boogah @Krogsgard Here’s a list: @t or @kevinmarks on #indieweb, @chrismessina on #ConvComm, @dakami on security. (twitter.com/_/status/761338295972352000)
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