#indieweb 2016-08-05

2016-08-05 UTC
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@kevinmarks @boogah @Krogsgard you can talk to @t and me about #indieweb at Homebrew Website Club or indieWebcamp see http://indieweb.org for events (twitter.com/_/status/761355790263267328)
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GWG KevinMarks: I tried to steer Krogsgard to Indieweb not long ago after he mentioned adactio
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tantek whoa: just created a FB event and saw this "You can invite guests even if they're not on Facebook. Invite by email or text."
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-05.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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petermolnar it appears I've been using numerous formats for bookmarking via plain text during the past 4-5 years, and by that, I ended up categorizing tonnes of my bookmarks as notes
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@adactio Homebrew Website Clubbers of Brighton—a whole day at Marwood tomorrow https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint (twitter.com/_/status/761500940021161984)
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@OldTownRA Found on Twitter: #BTODAY https://twitter.com/adactio/status/761500940021161984 - Homebrew Website Clubbers of Brighton—a whole day at Marwood … https://indieweb.org/events/2016-08-06-homebrew-website-club-sprint (twitter.com/_/status/761502024710164481)
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tommorris adactio++ for hwc-sprint
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Loqi adactio has 29 karma (26 in this channel)
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message 1 week, 3 days ago: how does one even go about repairing an article like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Semantic_Web where to start? Also, how is an obscure outdated purely academic phrase "notable" for WP?
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tommorris Loqi: historical concepts are still notable for WP. even bad ideas can be documented. and, alas, there seems to be a book on it, so notability might be kinda fine
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adactio tommorris: Just to clarify, I didn't organise the HWC sprint day—that was Tatiana. She's way more organised than me. (Although perhaps arranging it for the same day as Brighton Pride wasn't wise ...most sensible people will rightly want to watch the parade)
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tommorris I'd forgotton Brighton Pride was on
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tommorris I'm at EMFCamp today and this weekend
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tommorris tantek: re. social semantic web on WP - historical concepts are still notable for WP. even bad ideas can be documented. and, alas, there seems to be a book on it, so it *probably* satisfies notability
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tommorris I haven't delved in to the source
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hello from orkut" by shardul111@news.ycombinator.com (shardul111) http://orkut.com/
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GWG Morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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hs0ucy Hi, i'm tying to automatically push my notes to twitter from brigy. I had
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hs0ucy `<a class="visuallyhidden" href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a>`
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hs0ucy But not it's not working right now.
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hs0ucy I'm also using the webmention.io service.
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hs0ucy Here's an example of note : http://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2016/08/m4-as-css-pre-processor
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Loqi [Hugo Soucy] «Use the Unix: m4 as a CSS pre-processor» ~ http://x.soucy.cc/ca.
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sknebel hs0ucy: does webmention.io show you what response it got from bridgy?
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hs0ucy sknebel: Good question, how i can do that?
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sknebel oh, wait, webmention.io doesn't do sending, right?
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sknebel so how do you send webmentions?
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KevinMarks There are various ways - do you want something to send it for every link?
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KevinMarks There's mention-tech.appspot.com for individual links
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KevinMarks There's indiewebify.me for all links on a page
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KevinMarks Telegraph and brid.gy also
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KevinMarks See https://indieweb.org/webmention#Services
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sknebel KevinMarks: hs0ucy left, so won't see your response ;)
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KevinMarks !tell hs0ucy there are services to send webmentions, see https://indieweb.org/webmention#Services
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel wb hs0ucy
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sknebel in case you didn't see the question: what do you use to send webmentions?
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hs0ucy sknebel: Nothing ... I thought webmention did.
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Loqi hs0ucy: KevinMarks left you a message 8 minutes ago: there are services to send webmentions, see https://indieweb.org/webmention#Services
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sknebel hs0ucy: oh, ok. webmention.io only receives them
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hs0ucy Loqi: Thanks
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hs0ucy KevinMarks: Thank you.
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sknebel if you want to quickly send a few webmentions, https://telegraph.p3k.io/ is nice
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hs0ucy sknebel: Is that possible to send Webmentions with JavaSCript ... thtough an API or ...
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sknebel telegraph as an API as well
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sknebel s/as/has
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hs0ucy sknebel: ok, good ... i'm confuse between target and source ... the target is the cited URL ?
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sknebel yes
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sknebel hs0ucy: do you mean browser-JS or node? in the browser the API is probably not going to work because of Cross-origin-rules?
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hs0ucy sknebel: Yeah i mean browser ... My site is static made with an SSG.
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sknebel most people using static site generators somehow trigger it from their build process, after they've uploaded the page
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miklb hs0ucy I haven't tested this yet, but looks promising for sending webmentions with static sites https://github.com/barryf/webhook-mentions
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miklb assuming you're using GitHub though
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hs0ucy sknebel: Yeah i can do that ... what is the best tools for that ?
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hs0ucy miklb: No i have an homebrewed SSG.
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sknebel hs0ucy: you'll need a list of new/changed pages, and then send webmentions for them. there is quite a few libraries and tools in different languages linked from the wiki, depends on what you use/like
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hs0ucy sknebel: I'll dig the indiweb wiki ...
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sknebel hs0ucy: start here ;) https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Sending
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hs0ucy sknebel: Is there an all-in-one sending/receiving solution ?
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hs0ucy sknebel: Thanks.
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KevinMarks Lol. Just got the "offline and it feels so good" message from woodwind
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hs0ucy sknebel ... Ok i have tested with https://willnorris.com/go/webmention ... and it worked https://twitter.com/hs0ucy/status/761590669215354880 ...
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@hs0ucy «Programming Languages Hyperpolyglot: commonly used features in a side-by-side format» ~ http://hyperpolyglot.org/ (http://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2016/08/programming-languages-hyperpolyglot) (twitter.com/_/status/761590669215354880)
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Loqi [Will Norris] webmention is a go library and command line tool for assissting in sending webmentions. Install the library by running: go get willnorris.com/go/webmention To install the command line tool, run: go get willnorris.com/go/webmention/cmd/we...
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sknebel hs0ucy: nice!
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hs0ucy sknebel: Now think i have a better understanding of webmention :P Thank you.
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aaronpk oh my gosh https://twitter.com/EdmondActive/status/761404345908736000
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@EdmondActive Just a note. #shopedmond https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpENJJTVUAAOcRl.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/761404345908736000)
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aaronpk since the text is in the image in the tweet, i will quote it here
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petermolnar wtf?
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aaronpk "Thanks to everyone who is interested in #shopedmond! Please note, the hashtag is for our paying advertisers, as we own the trademark for marketing & advertising. Thanks for your understanding."
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petermolnar can you tm a hashtag?
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aaronpk apparently
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tantek or it was a deliberate Streisand effect attempt?
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tantek I mean, just look at the replies!
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tantek amazing how many reply photos there are
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tantek typically animated gif humor, but still
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aaronpk i'm not sure it was a deliberate Streisand effect
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/EdmondActive/status/761406212122431488
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@EdmondActive @Melisuh Not for marketing and advertising. Public service or other use isn't covered in my trademark. Hashtags for marketing are included (twitter.com/_/status/761406212122431488)
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tantek nah, that's just playing along with pretending to be the "Streisand"
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tantek you have to see it through to achieve the full effect
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tantek lol: https://twitter.com/dkinney/status/761582825581584384
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@dkinney @EdmondActive Just a note. This isn't how hashtags work #shopedmond (twitter.com/_/status/761582825581584384)
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tantek and then: https://twitter.com/KarenLeeAlex/status/761584991826350080
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@KarenLeeAlex @EdmondActive just set off a #NeverEdmond campaign. #ShopEdmond #OKC #PRFail #DeleteYourAccount https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpGxR3DVMAE8Q13.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/761584991826350080)
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[jakewilkins] Somehow it never fails to be embarrassing when my hometown makes it in the news.
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tantek does your hometown have its own website?
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[jakewilkins] http://edmondok.com/
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tantek oh that. wait how does a town get a trademark? I didn't think that worked (but IANAL)
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tantek jakewilkins I suppose you could "report a concern" about it ;) http://edmondok.com/requesttracker.aspx
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[jakewilkins] haha! I’m going to.
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Loqi awesome
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GWG KevinMarks: Can you do me a favor?
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KevinMarks Sure. I'm on Gillmor Gang right now
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GWG Can you help me promote NYC 2? I am admitting that I don't know people who would be interested. I am afraid that I have become a hermit
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GWG I know you have pulpits to spread the word from.
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GWG http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2
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Loqi IndieWebCamp NYC2 2016
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GWG Look at this beautiful landing page aaronpk made.
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tantek yup
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tantek for the next week we need to be promoting it every day
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GWG Shouldn't people have the opportunity to see his work?
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GWG Attention New Yorkers and those New York adjacent. Come to Indiewebcamp. Free stickers provided
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GWG Meet the amazing Tantek. Get his autograph. Have your picture taken with a real bear.
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GWG Okay, now I think I am being silly.
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tantek I'm ok with that if bear is ok with it 😂
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bear WFM :)
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bear GWG++ for amazing marketting
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Loqi gwg has 175 karma (161 in this channel)
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@kevinmarks New York friends - indieweb is coming to town soon http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc August 27-28 (twitter.com/_/status/761638121972740096)
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tantek welcome elux!
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elux thanks!
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[shaners] !tell jeena I released microformats2-ruby 2.0.3 gem with your changes in it. https://rubygems.org/gems/microformats2
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[shaners] https://twitter.com/rubygems/status/761651093797560320
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@rubygems microformats2 (2.0.3): Parses HTML for microformats and return a collection of dynamically defined Ruby objects https://rubygems.org/gems/microformats2 (twitter.com/_/status/761651093797560320)
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aaronpk nice
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Jeena [shaners], great, and thanks for the push rights, but I will keep on doing the pull requests, always good to have two pairs of eyes on the code
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Loqi Jeena: [shaners] left you a message 1 minute ago: I released microformats2-ruby 2.0.3 gem with your changes in it. https://rubygems.org/gems/microformats2
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tantek Jenna++
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Loqi jenna has 4 karma
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tantek shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 56 karma (52 in this channel)
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Jeena who is this Jenna tantek is giving karma to? ;)
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aaronpk 4 karma!
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Jeena Might be this blonde Jenna Jameson ^^
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tantek sigh.
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tantek Jeena++
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Loqi jeena has 39 karma (32 in this channel)
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Jeena hehe
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tantek !karma Jenna
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Loqi jenna has 4 karma (4 in this channel)
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tantek well apparently there's either a Jenna here, or I'm not the only one that did that
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Jeena ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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aaronpk i now have the ability to know who and when those karma were given
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aaronpk https://chat.indieweb.org/2015-07-29#t1438190096357000
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aaronpk or rather: https://chat.indieweb.org/2015-07-29/1438190117211000
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Loqi [tantek] Jenna++ !!!
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aaronpk and https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-02-04#t1454614931259000
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Jeena hehe fun
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tantek haha so twice me and twice bear
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Loqi tantek: lol
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tantek Loqi, since when do you lol at someone in particular?!?
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-05.html
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gRegorLove Haha. /site-deaths "2009-06-11 Hello.com shut down by Google " Today: "hello.com was founded by well-known social pioneer Orkut Buyukkokten (creator of orkut.com) and a small group of ex-Google engineers. "
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Loqi rofl
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gRegorLove Round and round we go
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snarfed google didn't shut it down, they (orkut) spun it out
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gRegorLove Spun out? http://web.archive.org/web/20090118064137/http://hello.com/ from /site-deaths
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snarfed oh. that hello was a different product entirely
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snarfed way older. a photo hosting site that picasa bought.
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gRegorLove Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying there's a third iteration in there somewhere, or a different company "Hello"?
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snarfed it was an entirely different company and product.
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snarfed google ended up owning the domain, and orkut took it for his new social network
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aaronpk the shutdown notice seemed to imply it was connected to google somewhat http://web.archive.org/web/20090118064137/http://hello.com/
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aaronpk "Why is Google shutting down Hello?"
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snarfed yeah, confusing. two entirely different products. the old one ended up (and died) inside google. the new one got the domain, started inside google, then spun out
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snarfed we here might be the only people who remember the old one and are confusing the two :P
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gRegorLove I'm looking through wayback to try to figure it out.
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gRegorLove Kinda looks like Picasa acquired Hello, then Google acquired Picasa?
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gRegorLove Trying to understand to add a History section to /hello.com
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snarfed gRegorLove: yes
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snarfed you may be hitting diminishing returns, for how much indieweb value we get out of documenting all this in detail :P
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gRegorLove True
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gRegorLove "But the information must be compleeeeete!" Haha
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tantek haha
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tantek there aren't that many examples of launch / shutdown / launch / shutdown cycles on the same domain - so that might be worth capturing just for that
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snarfed crosses his fingers for color.com
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tantek could have implications for permalinks / profiles / rel=me going to the wrong place with different auth etc.
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tantek that's one reason it may be worth documenting more detail gRegorLove
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tantek one #indieweb reason at least
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gRegorLove Whatever happened with color.com? I recall that being a big deal when it launched
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tantek I remember $41m investment
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tantek and a lot of outlandish press claims
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aaronpk Wow I forgot about that
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gRegorLove Yeah, missing air quotes around "big deal"
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gRegorLove Hah. Oh, 2000. http://web.archive.org/web/20000817022555/http://www.hello.com/
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aaronpk wpw
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aaronpk wow
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-05.html
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gRegorLove https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Labs "In July 2011, it was reported that Google offered to buy Color for $200 million before their first launch, but Color Labs turned down the deal."
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-05.html (twitter.com/_/status/761671882030649349)
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[kevinmarks] The stuff I'm talking about with Internet Archive may help with that
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tantek slower than usual "this-week"
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gRegorLove I got sidetracked from submitting one a week of shaners' indieweb articles to indienews
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[kevinmarks] Well, debating internationalization didn't generate many wiki pages
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aaronpk lol
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gRegorLove Heh, missed that I think
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aaronpk it hasn't leaked from the w3c group to indieweb really, so that's good