#indiewebcamp 2015-07-29

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tantek KevinMarks - perhaps you can write a counter-article explaining how h-entry markup works for actual interoperable discovery of articles across sites today?
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tantek I'd guess your article would be much shorter
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GWG aaronpk: Did you ever fix the Quill issue I filed?
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tantek and you wouldn't have to bother with so much API mumbojumbo
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KevinMarks perhaps shorenstein and nieman can pay me to
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GWG snarfed: Expect a pull request
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snarfed oh boy unit tests!!!
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KevinMarks ah, there's the problem http://evansandhaus.com/ "Evan Sandhaus currently works as the Semantic Technologist in The New York Times Research and Development Labs"
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GWG snarfed: No. Revert of the edit-of functionality. But I'm learning about unit tests. I've been participating in the oembed feature plugin discussions(much to my dismay) and they have some nice code I'm learning from.
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kylewm snarfed: btw micropublish.herokuapp.com works with silopub now
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kylewm barryf++
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Loqi barryf has 1 karma
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KevinMarks do you just put in silo.pub, or a silo.pub prefixed url?
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GWG I haven't seen barryf in a while.
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snarfed kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 205 karma
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kylewm KevinMarks: just the silo url, I don't have the proxy homepages up yet
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KevinMarks aha
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aaronpk GWG: not yet but i will try now!
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snarfed kylewm: woo! http://freedom-io-2.blogspot.com/2015/07/asdf-duh.html
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snarfed i think it might have swapped name and content though…
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snarfed oh no it didn't, blogger's rendering is just confusing :P
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kylewm very animated!
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snarfed heh yeah
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KevinMarks is that js;dr theme still the default?
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KevinMarks http://freedom-io-2.blogspot.com/?m=1
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kylewm ha, those services are really not designed for note-length posts
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kylewm good luck finding the e-content on this page http://nofeathersnofur.blogspot.com/2015/07/blog-post_28.html
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KevinMarks h-feed name problem
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GWG aaronpk: Did you finish your book?
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk GWG: fixed the query string thing!
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GWG aaronpk: Thank you. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't keeping you.
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kylewm oh man, my digitial ocean server that died apparently had stopped doing automatic backups in March
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kylewm oops
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kylewm oh weird, it's back!
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GWG !tell snarfed Can you merge #15?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed GWG: merged. so sorry about that! definitely meant to merge it when i commented last
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Loqi snarfed: GWG left you a message 2 hours, 38 minutes ago: Can you merge #15? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-28/line/1438131113763
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snarfed GWG++ for contributing!
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Loqi GWG has 113 karma
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GWG snarfed: Thank you. There will be more eventually.
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GWG snarfed: I have a question though. With the newest micropub change...
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GWG How many of the older reserved properties are worth maintaining?
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snarfed heh, no clue
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snarfed i wouldn't worry about it yet though. i'lll happily merge a revert to the old edit param, but we'll need tests in before anything bigger
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GWG snarfed: The whole edit functionality needs work either way. I edited the parameters, but not going to push for a while.
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GWG Need to figure out some things.
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GWG I still want to make Post Kinds work with Micropub before I go back to enhancing Micropub.
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KevinMarks__ So, if I want to re-enact swat0 with Leo and Jeff jarvis, who gets to be whom?
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KevinMarks__ Leo is on known, Jeff is on wp I think
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GWG KevinMarks__: Buzzmachine.com is running the latest version of WordPress
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GWG Can you talk him into installing the webmention plugin and the Semantic Linkbacks plugin?
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KevinMarks__ Is it wp.com or self hosted?
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GWG I'm reading the source code of the homepage
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GWG I don't think it is wp.com
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KevinMarks__ So he couldn't use silo.pub to post, he needs plugins
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GWG Also, he is using Disqus for comments.
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snarfed no need to do it by hand, there's an app for that. http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report/?url=buzzmachine.com
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snarfed looks like linode, so self hosted
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KevinMarks__ Ok, so I probably need to talk to his son, who's doing cs I think
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GWG Has anyone ever tried webmentions on WordPress with Disqus?
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snarfed bridgy for blogs for tumblr uses the disqus api
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snarfed disqus fundamentally different from wordpress, to the point that wp doesn't matter
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GWG Which means without some hacking, it wouldn't display on Buzzmachine
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KevinMarks__ Right, it has it's own api
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KevinMarks__ Could he be a and tag me?
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snarfed yup. there's no plain vanilla disqus backfeed service yet afaik
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KevinMarks__ Ok, so then the goal is to get him interested enough to go to or host hwc ny
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GWG I'm wondering what would have the biggest impact.
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tantek good evening #Indiewebcamp
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tantek KevinMarks: we're not quite at the point where we can get *any* 3 people to re-enact SWAT0 with their own sites
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tantek currently only very custom solutions are able to be Player A and Player B. Even Player C is non-trivial.
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tantek see https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0#implementation_requirements
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tantek biggest challenges (least implemented) are posting/receiving a person-tag, salmention sending/receiving, push notifications in response to receiving webmentions
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tantek no WordPress setup/solution can do all those
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GWG tantek: Push Notifications I have.
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GWG But the text is broken. I've fixed it. Waiting for some PRs to be approved.
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tantek how are you waiting for PRs for something to work with your own website?
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GWG tantek: I made a decision to run the stable version of certain pieces of code.
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GWG Some of it isn't my project.
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tantek GWG, which part isn't your project, and what functionality is it adding to your website?
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GWG tantek: The actual push notification part.
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GWG I spent a lot of time testing, and discovered it was an intersection of the push notification code, the webmention code, and the Semantic Linkbacks code that was causing trouble.
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tantek wow
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GWG The Semantic Linkbacks code was enhancing the webmention after the notification was already triggered
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GWG The WordPress notification code didn't know anything about webmentions.
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GWG The push notification code didn't have a hook to hook onto custom comment types, so I couldn't customize the message.
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@meatclubin RT @dietrich: Saying goodbye to another well-covered laptop. @bocoup @unhosted @nodebots @meatclubin #indieweb https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/626091425818480640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/626254962755043328)
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GWG tantek: When I was on vacation, I'd post a picture, and get a bunch of likes I couldn't understand.
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GWG Of course, I'm waiting for pfefferle to merge the PR into the development version of webmentions for that part.
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tantek ok - good to know GWG
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tantek which do you think you'll be able to do first? Player A, B, or C? https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0#implementation_requirements
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KartikPrabhu person tag webmentions are sent to the homepage correct?
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kylewm correct
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KartikPrabhu ok so the start is to enable homepage/about page mentions
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tantek I'll identify that specifically
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KartikPrabhu yeah. I think homepage mentions themselves are not very widely implemented
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tantek right
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tantek and person-tag webmentions are a specific type of homepage mention
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KartikPrabhu yes. a good start is to just get usual mention without classifying them
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tantek.com edited /SWAT0 (+73) "/* implementation requirements */ expand details on what B must support" (view diff)
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KevinMarks__ C is the easiest as Known+reader works
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andicascadesf Hi guys.
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cweiske hiho
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KartikPrabhu helloe
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andicascadesf So I am bringing a guest tomorrow to the Homebrew meetup at Moz.
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andicascadesf that’s irrelevant actually now that I’m thinking about it.
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andicascadesf I’d like to know how much you guys want IWC to grow.
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cweiske i'd say 5px
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andicascadesf and if there was any interest in meeting up one day to take the content from the wiki and design it into a responsive landing page,that would attract more people and spread the message beyond it.
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andicascadesf It depends on big you want it to be. Right now I think it’s hidden gem and I lvoe it.
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andicascadesf *love it
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cweiske there is already http://indiewebify.me/
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andicascadesf who designed that?
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cweiske click on the "on github" link on the bottom
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cweiske then click on "contributors"
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andicascadesf I”m offering to set aside a day to work with you guys and make a really visually compelling landing page that will grow IWC.
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andicascadesf but only want to get involved if you guys want that. This isn’t my group.
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andicascadesf I have Cascade and love helping with IWC.
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andicascadesf Just know that if I designed that landing page, you would attract A LOT more people.
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cweiske you're welcome to help. just send a pull request to the repository
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andicascadesf I’m trying to understand the goals behind IWC and the vision of it.
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andicascadesf I do want to help.
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andicascadesf I think I’m over thinking it. haha
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andicascadesf I do have some ideas and hope to share them tomorrow!
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cweiske coolio
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andicascadesf Where does everyone live?
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cweiske http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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andicascadesf lol
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andicascadesf can’t I just hover over your name and see information on you? ;)
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andicascadesf cool! What time is it in Berlin?
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andicascadesf nevermind i got it
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andicascadesf 9:15am. Have a wonderful day @cweiske!
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KartikPrabhu !tell andicascadesf: it definitely is a good idea to have the indiewebcamp wiki be responsive and all that. I have no idea how hard that is to do with mediawiki which is a backend that runs it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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stefan-auditor.de edited /IRC_People (+56) (view diff)
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stefan-auditor.de edited /IRC_People (+35) (view diff)
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stefan-auditor.de edited /IRC_People (+0) (view diff)
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@NCREDINBURGH RT @IndieWebCampUK: Indiewebcamp Edinburgh lunch time (thanks @NCREDINBURGH!). Remote @indiewebcat has a snooze. https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampUK/status/624919538057003008/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/626323621405949952)
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petermolnar I didn't know we have an indiecat
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petermolnar s/indiecat/indiewebcat
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: I didn't know we have an indiewebcat
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@macleodan RT @IndieWebCampUK: Indiewebcamp Edinburgh lunch time (thanks @NCREDINBURGH!). Remote @indiewebcat has a snooze. https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampUK/status/624919538057003008/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/626324544228360192)
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@0hjc RT @IndieWebCampUK: Indiewebcamp Edinburgh lunch time (thanks @NCREDINBURGH!). Remote @indiewebcat has a snooze. https://twitter.com/IndieWebCampUK/status/624919538057003008/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/626324870155083776)
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Loqi [mention] http://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/r/vboykis-in-reply-to-httpst-co9t3zvbgndm linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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petermolnar I probably should stop webmentions on my imported/reposted content
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@synvila I like the idea behind the indieweb but the number of wiki articles to read and things to do makes it seem really daunting to get into. (twitter.com/_/status/626360105336995840)
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@synvila I've only read 1/3 of this page and I've already opened 8 links just to understand the terminology. http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (twitter.com/_/status/626361415004237824)
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@petermolnar @synvila short version: get a domain, get a website, make the site send/receive webmentions. The rest is bonus. (twitter.com/_/status/626361920493371393)
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2015/07/getting-started-indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (pingback)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Loqi [mention] Amy Guy posted '@synvila If you haven't seen indiewebify.me, that's a much less daunting starting point. And IndieMark might be helpful for breaking stuff d...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark (http://rhiaro.co.uk//2015/07/synvilahttptwittercomsynvila)
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@rhiaro @synvila If you haven't seen indiewebify.me, that's a less daunting starting point. & http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark might... http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/07/synvilahttptwittercomsynvila (twitter.com/_/status/626373654973124608)
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petermolnar I've seen that tweet mentioning that our getting started page may have grown a bit too technie, so I was thinking of adding a Getting Started (Light Version) to the wiki; can someone please proofread it?: http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com/getting_started_light_version
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petermolnar although linking to http://indiewebify.me/ might actually be a better way
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cweiske "2. Optional: Get your own domain" vs. "You will need a domain"
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cweiske optional or not?
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cweiske where is the difference?
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cweiske website vs. domain?
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cweiske from a user perspective?
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petermolnar both, but I should phrase it better
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petermolnar "a" domain is essential but not necessarily a new domain
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petermolnar as a [].withknown.com works as well
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petermolnar for example
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cweiske i think that's too much for a simple getting started page
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petermolnar yes, I've realized that as well :/
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petermolnar I'll just link indiewebify.me to the getting started page
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petermolnar to a very visible place
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petermolnar.eu edited /Getting_Started (+166) "adding indiewebify.me to the beginning of the page" (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Getting_Started (-10) "/* IndieWebify.Me */" (view diff)
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voxpelli Just updated to some new versions of the parsers in my WebMention endpoint so if anyone sees something weird on a site that uses that one (like eg. KevinMarks), then ping me
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@martinlindner @EskenSaskia kann weg. wir brauchen das #indieweb, auch und gerade für bildung. (twitter.com/_/status/626399293902049280)
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ZegnatMbl Almost at Sweden's first HWC. Any idea how many of us there are going to be, Jeena?
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Jeena I think 3 or 4 Zegnat
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aaronpk don't forget to take a photo!
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Jeena yeah :D
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joskar Jeena: When will you be there?
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joskar Or other people who intend to participate, for that matter :)
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indie-visitor Jeena, joskar, I just got off at Gbg central station and will start towards the bar. I get there when I get there. 18 minutes according to Google Maps. --Zegnat
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joskar Oh, then I better start thinking about moving myself ;)
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Jeena I have a standup with the Portland crew at 17:00 which always takes like 10 minutes, after that I will move too, I'm sitting not that far away from it
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Jeena I guess 17:20 or the latest 17:30
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@mccab99 @martinlindner @EskenSaskia Arg romantisch, das mit dem #indieweb, oder? Vielleicht bin ich wieder zu arg pragmatisch. (twitter.com/_/status/626406222745468928)
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KevinMarks__ Andi: I made indie hovercards and they really need some design help too...
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KevinMarks__ http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-07-15.html
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KevinMarks__ Also I need to fix my caching for Tantek
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kylewm.com edited /token-endpoint (+380) "/* Verifying an Access Token */ this step is required for generic token endpoint services, not required for tightly coupled token/micropub implementations" (view diff)
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aaronpk kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 206 karma
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kylewm \o/
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kylewm question for you aaronpk, for micropub only, the authorization endpoint similarly doesn't need to support the verification protocol
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joskar Jeena, Zegnat: I will be there a bit later than you guys, probably more like 17:45 it seems.
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kylewm but if it doesn't, then it wouldn't support indieauth-for-login anymore
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kylewm so I'm wondering if all authorization_endpoints SHOULD support verification
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kylewm MUST?
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah if it doesn't support the verification protocol then it won't support just login
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kylewm there's not even really a place on the wiki for an authorization protocol that doesn't support authentication as well
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aaronpk eah
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indie-visitor Jeena, I am there. First table at the door, guy in red sweater.
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indie-visitor Incidentally, this web IRC sucks for connecting on-the-go.
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aaronpk indie-visitor: try http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta it's a little better
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aaronpk still has the problems of web-based IRC tho
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ZegnatMbl Freenode keeps forcing me to zoom in and out. Even just on their connect page where there is only 1 form and a captcha it isn't responsive
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kylewm kiwiirc.com is nice too
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ZegnatMbl I should just figure out how to get my phone connected through my bouncer, but too many hoops.
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Loqi I agree
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aaronpk if you have a bouncer it's a small step to get your phone on it!
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aaronpk I like Limechat on iOS, i have that connected to my bouncer
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Zegnat I tunnel into my bouncer before connecting on my Mac
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Zegnat And simply don’t know how to set up the SSH tunnel on my Android phone
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aaronpk oh crazy
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Zegnat who is joskar?
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Loqi Johnny Oskarsson is a student living in Gothenburg, Sweden https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Joskar.se
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petermolnar wow, when did Loqi gain whois knowledge?
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Loqi :)
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Zegnat Jeena: http://licit.li/ & http://vanderven.se/martijn/
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Zegnat It is not that crazy aaronpk, it is mostly so I didn’t have to ask my hosting provider to open up an additional port
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aaronpk ah
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Zegnat And it works pretty well, I just tunnel to the right local port on the server, and connect to localhost:port with my IRC client.
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Zegnat But how would you do that on a phone, is the question.
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Zegnat All tunnelling techniques I could find were about tunneling webtrafic
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aaronpk yeah no idea. i opened a port for my bouncer and run it with ssl
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/cbetta/status/625511937049104385
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@scinos Want to troll the frontend devs in your team? Use the username "[object Object]" and send them a screenshot. Enjoy the imaginary bug hunt. (twitter.com/_/status/625511937049104385)
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aaronpk tehehe
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Jeena I'm trying to add person tagging, we'll see if I'll be done before this HWC ends, if so I will post a photo tagged ;)
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aaronpk Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 14 karma
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aaronparecki.com edited /email_list (+555) "add my examples" (view diff)
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kylewm !tell snarfed w/r/t Flickr support for Bridgy, is it a non-starter to make an API request for likes and one for comments for every photo?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@in_a_pinch The dangers of digital sharecropping, from @soniasimone @copyblogger: http://www.copyblogger.com/digital-sharecropping/?utm_content=buffer1b0a4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #ownyourdata #ownyourcode (twitter.com/_/status/626438535655104512)
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Zegnat Attending HWC Göteborg out of the train for the last 20 minutes. Does that count?
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Zegnat waves at Jeena & joskar
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tantek wonders if we should start putting country names on HWC locations!
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@jeena First Homebrew Website Club in Gothenburg #IndieWeb (https://jeena.net/photos/164) https://twitter.com/jeena/status/626440773949632512/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/626440773949632512)
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tantek Jenna++ !!!
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Loqi Jenna has 1 karma
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aaronpk woo!
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tantek Jeena++ !!!
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Loqi Jeena has 15 karma
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tantek oh snap there's the person-tagged photo post!!! https://jeena.net/photos/164
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tantek well done Jeena!!!
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Zegnat Jeena, did that send a webmention? It doesn’t seem to be on my endpoint yet
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tantek Jeena - add yourself and your post permalink to http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#IndieWeb_Examples !
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Jeena I hope it did send it but I didn't test
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Jeena joskar is trying to check if he got a webmention
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Zegnat I’ll check the log again soon, I can only do so much debugging from the train :(
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Zegnat Keep me posted
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Zegnat (Also, you are missing the j in Martijn)
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Jeena ah damn, I will fix that :D sorry
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Jeena but my battery is dying now ^^
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Zegnat Not a problem, I guess you have people spelling your name wrong all the time as well
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1455747814748163#10152993669681287 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club
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Zegnat Jeena: the webmention got here!
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Zegnat Well done :D
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Zegnat is also happy to see the WM endpoint he build worked
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Zegnat Having the same battery problem here, next time HWC should be at a place with charge opportunities.
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aaronpk I've been thinking about POSSE'ing to Slack
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tantek similar to POSSEing to IRC?
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aaronpk in particular, posseing some of the photos i've been sharing in a Slack channel
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tantek I didn't know that was possible
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aaronpk yeah they have a photo upload thingy, does file attachments too
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aaronpk but photos render inline
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aaronpk i've been enjoying participating in a sub-community of a small community that has a slack account
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tantek aaronpk: feel free to braindump: https://indiewebcamp.com/Slack#POSSE_to
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aaronpk "no known indieweb examples..." well now that just sounds like a challenge :D
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KevinMarks__ well, on slack they kinda dispaly inline
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KevinMarks__ on android it's 3 clicks to see them
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aaronpk on ios you see a thumbnail and then it's two clicks to see the full version
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KevinMarks__ too many clicks
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aaronpk agreed
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KevinMarks__ and they don't play gifs inline
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KevinMarks__ which presumably means they de-gif them somehow
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KevinMarks__ google image tools resizes gifs but keeps the animation, which is fun
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aaronpk btw Loqi's meme generator works with animated gifs :)
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Loqi who, me?
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KevinMarks__ http://ask.willsomeone.com/i/109952187676595057153?width=64
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KevinMarks__ http://media0.giphy.com/media/IBMavwmu4KEEw/giphy.gif
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Jeena Back with more battery. Damn I'm always almost there but not quite. Somehow webmentions haven't been send, but yeah otherwise it works well for such a short amount of time invested.
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joskar Jeena: I see now that I actually got the POST to my webmention endpoint, but for some reason I didn't save it...so it's probably a problem on my end.
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Jeena But the bigger problem will be now to make a nice UI which helps me to populate the name and domain
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Jeena oh really? haha that would be cool, but I obviously need to test it more ;)
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Zegnat Yes, the mention got to my end
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cweiske who is cweiske?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Cweiske.de
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Jeena oh Zegnat so it got to you too, neat!
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joskar Jeena: I actually think the problem was that I'm case sensitive on the protocol part (HTTPS:), so my endpoint decided to throw it away as invalid from the beginning.
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Jeena oh, I see
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Zegnat argh, train’s WiFi keeps throwing me out
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Jeena I will save it again that way it will be resend
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tantek Zegnat do you have some UI on your site for viewing your homepage webmentions?
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KevinMarks__ zegnat: maybe your train is sharing wifi with the UK east coast line: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1809603051
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@kevinmarks @suw is he on the train? google thought i was in sweden when i was on train wifi on the east coast line (twitter.com/_/status/1809603051)
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Zegnat tantek: I do not, I literally build the whole webmention backend in the hour or so I was able to be at HWC Göteborg
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Jeena hehe damn bug, now I have everything twice
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Zegnat Jeena: first mention was in my logs at least at 19:19 : http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-29/line/1438190379899
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joskar Jeena: I got the other webmention now :) (but it didn't get accepted because of the before mentioned case-sensitivity)
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tantek Zegnat++
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Jeena hehe yeah, I need to work on the edit functionality
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Loqi Zegnat has 8 karma
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Zegnat Jeena: I have 3 mentions from you total
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Zegnat Seems fine
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Jeena yes, that should be the case, the third one is a bug on my site
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joskar Jeena: https://joskar.se/webmention/01Qnyq
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Jeena bad request?
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joskar Jeena: That was the result of your webmention ;)
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Zegnat HTTP 400 Bad Request is the default webmention error code for any sort of mistake
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Jeena ah I see
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Jeena (moving on to the train, will be back soon)
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Zegnat Jeena, you didn’t fix my name ;)
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GWG I don't get many pure webmentions
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GWG I'm not counting Bridgy
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Zegnat “pure” webmentions, GWG?
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Jeena re
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tantek s/"pure"/direct peer-to-peer
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GWG tantek: direct works
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GWG I was thrilled when I got one from acegiak recently.
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GWG I'd like to get more. Would help improve my process.
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tantek GWG, what is the current webaction UI like on your posts?
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Jeena tantek, this http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club&diff=21190&oldid=21151 was intentionally left out because it doesn't say USA on Portland or San Francisco either ;)
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tantek Jeena, it helps to point out instances of non-US-centrism :)
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GWG tantek: I have a web action issue because I don't want the fallback to be a silo
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tantek GWG - sounds like you're talking yourself out of UI improvements that would likely get you more replies
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voxpelli Jeena: how did you upload your photo? I've been thinking that people tags would be a nice extension of the Quill photo feature you added
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Jeena I can say that because it doesn't say US on the other ones people might think that it is only meant for US cities. It's a bit like with the male centerd language where male is the default, here US is the default somehow. Just a thought.
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voxpelli Added support for people tags to my site today, but have no nice UI for creating them
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tantek GWG which silos do you POSSE to currently?
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aaronpk heh the quill photo page needs a "tags" field at all
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Jeena yeah
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Jeena it also needs syndicate-to and so on, I just haven't had the time to add it yet
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GWG tantek: Twitter and Facebook, but I get more back feed from Facebook
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aaronpk you know, maybe the better solution is to add the "photo" field to the note form
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Jeena voxpelli, I only used my normal upload via my own website-backend
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aaronpk instead of making it a separate page
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Jeena aaronpk, the problem is that note works with ajax
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tantek GWG, since you're POSSEing to silos, consider having your fallback be to one of them.
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tantek whichever you consider the least worst
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Jeena and you can't send a binary file with ajax
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aaronpk that can be fixed
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aaronpk it only justifies a separate page if the UI is significantly different
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voxpelli Jeena: my "normal" is committing through git, doesn't qualify for SWAT0 I think ;)
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Jeena yeah with an iframe and stuff
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Jeena hehe
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GWG tantek: My fallback could also be local comments
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aaronpk no i mean like doing notes with regular post too
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Jeena oh I see
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voxpelli Jeena: Can't you send binary stuff in XMLHttpRequest2?
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tantek GWG except that doesn't work as well for repost or like
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aaronpk there might be a reason to keep it separate tho, but i want that reason to be driven by the UI
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Jeena voxpelli, not as a multipart form
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GWG tantek: Does anyone do a local like?
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voxpelli GWG: Quill can do local likes and I've presentation of them built for my site
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Jeena I don't think there is a reason UI wise, aaronpk
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Zegnat Jeena, according to this XMLHttpRequest can do binary FormData: http://stackoverflow.com/a/9397172 (or am I misinterpreting that?)
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Jeena what are local likes?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "local likes" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/100j
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Jeena Zegnat, yeah, I said it wrong, you can do binary but not multipart
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GWG voxpelli: I meant the same way someone can write a comment on most sites.
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voxpelli GWG: Disqus does that at least
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Jeena hm or am I mistaken, I was sure that it wasn't possible
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GWG voxpelli: But you need an account somewhere
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voxpelli Jeena: Zegnat: https://github.com/github/fetch seems to do multipart? It's based on ajax2
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Jeena or, yeah I guess it is possible when you do the multipart stuff manually
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aaronpk we can also change it so the file is uploaded via ajax (iframe trick) when its chosen, but the micropub request isn't made until you click "post"
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aaronpk it's the quill server that makes the micropub request, not the browser
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Jeena this uploads a multipart via ajax https://github.com/jeena/Bungloo/blob/eb5f37837ad6f5b35eddd48fc60cdb6933bd861d/WebKit/scripts/controller/NewPost.js#L353-L391
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Jeena it's quite ironic that the only valuable part of my Tent app is a comment ^^
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voxpelli Jeena: aaronpk: Can we make an issue for it at the repo and whoever feels an urge to change it first does it? :)
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aaronpk haha sure
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Jeena hehe yeah
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voxpelli Do we avoid double work I'm thinking
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voxpelli s/Do/So/
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Loqi voxpelli meant to say: So we avoid double work I'm thinking
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Jeena (thumbsup)
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GWG I wonder what a local like would look like
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Jeena what is a local like?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "local like" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/100k
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GWG The UI.
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Jeena I still don't get it, what is local about it?
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voxpelli GWG: I have done account less like features on articles to get a Reddit-like feel on things
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voxpelli For some customer projects of mine
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GWG Jeena, where no other website was involved
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snarfed silo (non-social-network) local like example: https://nelsonslog.wordpress.com/2015/07/24/json-query-languages/#like-post-wrapper-18192625-1994-55b91e28ac58e
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Loqi snarfed: kylewm left you a message 1 hour, 59 minutes ago: w/r/t Flickr support for Bridgy, is it a non-starter to make an API request for likes and one for comments for every photo? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-29/line/1438188114933
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Jeena ah I see GWG why would that look different to when some other website is involved?
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snarfed kylewm: good question! honestly i'm not sure. maybe it's ok? probably at least to start. we could revisit if flickr gets lots of uptake
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GWG Jeena: I was trying to think of how the UI would look, not the output
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Jeena Oh you mean instad of the name it would say "You liked this" or something_
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Jeena UI to post it or to display it?
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snarfed er sorry, here's a fragment for that local like that works: https://nelsonslog.wordpress.com/2015/07/24/json-query-languages/#jp-post-flair
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voxpelli GWG: A star or a thumbs up button would in itself be enough, no? + maybe an indicator of total amount of likes if one thinks that is important
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aaronpk there's that one blogging silo that does "Kudos" and just shows the count
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GWG I sort of like seeing who liked
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Jeena me too
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tantek right!
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Jeena I show the avatar https://jeena.net/photos/164#comments
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voxpelli Some people sort of like not being shown that they have liked ;) Very much so at Flattr :P
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GWG So, I am wondering what interface allows for anonymous or non anonymous liking
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Jeena then they should not publicly like it ;)
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voxpelli Jeena: then they need to have the option ;)
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voxpelli GWG: anonymous with just a plain button and non-anonymous through indie-config?
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tantek what is TWiG?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TWiG" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/100m
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Jeena they do, just don't do it ;) but I get what you mean, private likes. And I don't think you can indicate that yet
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tantek KevinMarks: ^^^ please create /TWiG while waiting to broadcast for it :)
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voxpelli One can question whether totally anonymous likes are interesting – they are so easily faked or gamed
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tantek they likely still cause some dopamine rush
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tantek on both the liker and likee
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Jeena hehe
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GWG Is there such a thing as semi anonymous liking?
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tantek which may reinforce the behaviors (posting, liking)
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tantek GWG - pseudonymous
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voxpelli GWG: private likes, a registered user with no published identity
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Jeena man, there is still so much to do, for example I need the concept of likes, I need a IndyReader, I need a better way to tag people and one milion other things
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GWG I could just hack the comment form in WordPress to allow a like under the same parameters as a comment.
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Jeena can you like privately on Facebook? Or will at least all your friends see it?
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tantek Jeena, you may be looking for: https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
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tantek from there, pick and choose what resonates, and then /wikify on your User page's "Itches" section :)
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GWG I moderate anyway
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snarfed GWG: https://wordpress.org/plugins/search.php?type=term&q=like+-facebook
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Jeena haha "IndieMark is a set of metrics for measuring the indieweb-ness of a site"
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Jeena neat
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GWG snarfed: I wonder if any would integrate with the existing Semantic Linkbacks functionality.
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Jeena tantek, I don't like the wording of "h-card contact info and representative icon on home page." it should be ok to have it on /about when it is linked with rel="me" from the homepage
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Jeena Hm I had a UI for searching but I removed it because it felt meaningless and just made the site look dirty
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GWG But either way, I wrote a web action plugin for WordPress, but never released it. Thinking of possibly redoing it as an extension to Micropub
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voxpelli Jeena: we're a couple of people that do that, I think its documented on the wiki somewhere – saw it not that long ago
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voxpelli GWG: his is webaction related to Micropub?
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voxpelli s/his/how/
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Loqi voxpelli meant to say: GWG: how is webaction related to Micropub?
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Jeena voxpelli, yes it is, that is why I don't like the wording on the IndieMark page
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voxpelli Jeena: well, unless one wants to be a rebel it's the way clients currently expects it to be ;)
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Jeena I know, but it is wrong ;)
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Jeena and I don't mind to be a rebel either :p if nobody rebels it will never change :)
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GWG voxpelli: The Web actions need an endpoint
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snarfed kylewm++ for dealing with a pretty painful flickr api so the rest of us don't have to :P
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Loqi kylewm has 207 karma
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aaronpk aw you don't like it? I think it's one of the better silo apis!
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aaronpk it also hasn't changed like ever, so that's a plus :)
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kylewm oh, ha, I was complaining about it being inconsistent in #bridgy (having user id called "nsid" one place and "author" in another place) ... I quite like how much data they give you
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kylewm has a zillion different endpoints
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kylewm notchanginginforever++
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snarfed changeistheonlyconstant++
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@inevernu RT @meedabyte: Why We All Need to Make the Internet Fun Again http://recode.net/2015/07/17/why-we-all-need-to-make-the-internet-fun-again/?utm_content=buffer230ff&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #amazing @caseorganic on #decentralization #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/626474230847275008)
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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Loqi who, me?
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KevinMarks OK, apart from SWAT0, what else should I talk about on TWiG?
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aaronpk could mention IWC Edinburgh just happened
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KevinMarks I'll mention HWC's tonight in SF, portland an Göteborg
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KevinMarks tho' obviously too late for Swedish listeners
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Jeena Zegnat now your name should be fixed
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Zegnat Too late? When is this happening, KevinMarks?
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Zegnat Jeena, yes, all good!
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aaronpk too late for swedish listeners of TWiG to make it to HWC since it already happened :)
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Jeena what is TWiG?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TWiG" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/100n
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Zegnat aaronpk, ah, got it, I thought it meant it was broadcasting too late to watch or something
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tantek Jeena - yes we should document the 'h-card on separate /about page' pattern
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tantek since there are people that are doing it in the wild!
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn (+402) "Update introduction, steal from gRegorLove, wikify webmention endpoint, wikify event attendance." (view diff)
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Zegnat puts his h-card on a completely different domain
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Jeena haha Zegnat that is really weird
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gRegorLove checks my pockets
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Zegnat I liked your floating bio on the wiki, gRegorLove, so I stole your markup
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Zegnat who is Zegnat?
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven is a long-time web tinkerer living in Tösse, Sweden https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/
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Zegnat Cool, Loqi got it right :)
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gRegorLove Cool :)
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tantek nicely done
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tantek what is about?
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Loqi "About" is a commonly occurring page or section on a site that provides an introduction, overview, or summary of the site https://indiewebcamp.com/about
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KevinMarks TWiG is This Week in Google, a podcast at [[twit.tv]] that Kevin Marks occasionally talks about IndieWeb on
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Zegnat Jeena: I know it is weird, let’s see how many indieweb implementations I can break by having my hCard in a subfolder on a domain that doesn’t host the rest of my stuff ;)
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tantek Jeena - separate domain as well as subfolder?
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tantek do we need rel=about?
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gRegorLove I have a more compplete h-card on my /about page
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KartikPrabhu tantek: rel-me is sufficient
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tantek ok
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Jeena I too think rel=me is sufficient
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: does your h-card on the other domain rel-me link to the one where you post?
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Zegnat tantek: I have had my personal information on vanderven.se/martijn/ for so many years that I kinda do not want to move it anywhere
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kevinmarks.com created /TWiG (+126) "prompted by Jeena https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-29/line/1438199680428" (view diff)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1455747814748163#1172489596111351 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club
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gRegorLove rel-about could be handy if someone has 10 rel-me links, so we could know to parse the rel-about first/only. But I don't know if it's *necessary*
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu: it doesn’t link to my blog domain at all at the moment, I was waiting for that ’til the blog officially launched.
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tantek gRegorLove: right - we should try the simpler publishing solution first, see how hard it is to handle in consuming code, and then re-evaluate the consumer/publisher trade-off accordingly
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KevinMarks if I plug reader.kylewm.com on TWiG is that OK? (can you cope with the users)
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Zegnat Which would have been today, if I hadn’t had unexpected visitors for the last 4 days
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tantek kylewm ^^^
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tantek cleans up /About
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: ok. I ask because you could have linked to my h-card
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gRegorLove Speaking of TWiG, listening to Leo on the Nerdist podcast right now.
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KartikPrabhu and without rel-me there is no way to find out if it is the real h-card for the blog
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Zegnat Oh, no, don’t worry about that, it will be rel-me’d
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KartikPrabhu :)
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KevinMarks also, is silo.pub explainabale?
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu: http://licit.li/ already uses rel="me" to link to http://vanderven.se/martijn/. There just isn’t a linkback yet.
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: yeah. 2-way rel-me is the only way to identify same person. like indieauth does
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Zegnat Jeena: you do not send a webmention when you update an entry? I.e. when you fixed my name?
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Jeena I do normally but my edit part of the software is broken right now so I just changed it in the database
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tantek KartikPrabhu: another way is to have a small h-card that has a u-url to a larger h-card
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu: it will link back when licit.li is no longer empty. I did not feel for linking to an empty page. 2-way rel-me will be established, and then we’ll see what indieweb implementations do with it
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KartikPrabhu tantek: on same domain that is what I do. but if pointing to a different domain that won't be sufficient
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Zegnat Jeena: that’s fine then, just checking :)
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tantek yeah
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I think I also use u-uid to point to the full h-card on about page
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tantek makes sense
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn (+43) "/* Introduction */ Add rel="me"." (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: basically reusing the pattern I use for articles in feed which do not have full content
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tantek.com edited /about (+212) "IndieWeb examples, subsections for people, linky, code markup" (view diff)
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu, Jeena add yourself! https://indiewebcamp.com/about#IndieWeb_Examples
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks is web notifications something to talk about? has that landed in chrome/ff yet?
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KevinMarks 'cos ben_thatmustbeme uses it right?
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kylewm KevinMarks: I think it's fine to plug
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tantek I think Chrome and coming soon in Firefox 42
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Loqi [mention] http://johnjohnston.info/blog/some-more-openbadges-thoughts/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (webmention)
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kylewm I will allocate a few more workers to it
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ben_thatmustbeme pops in. *why have you summoned me*
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, i do use web notifications
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KevinMarks about to go on TWiG and talk SWAT0
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ben_thatmustbeme yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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kylewm woohoo
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KevinMarks did you post about how your web notifications work?
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KevinMarks (I was hoping for a reenactement. but not enough pieces yet)
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KevinMarks though leo could be C if he signs up for woodwind
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: not yet
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ben_thatmustbeme its on my todo list
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ben_thatmustbeme mostly i used an article on it and haven't deviated much for that
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ben_thatmustbeme but should at least post the link
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KevinMarks OK, I'll link the google dev article
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KevinMarks that's pretty good
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Zegnat Jeena: can I add the HWC photo you took to the wiki? (Or will you add it yourself.) You have no open licence going on your website so can’t do it without asking.
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Jeena Oh hm true, I should add a license to it, take it and add it and I will fix the thing with the license
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ben_thatmustbeme https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/03/push-notificatons-on-the-open-web?hl=en
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 5 minutes ago: add yourself! https://indiewebcamp.com/about#IndieWeb_Examples http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-29/line/1438201170017
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ben_thatmustbeme thats what i built it out of
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KevinMarks thanks
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KevinMarks that was a good article
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: is that linked from push notifications How to?
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tantek what are push notifications?
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Loqi A push notification (AKA client notification) is a notification that shows up on one or more of your client devices without you having to explicitly request it — it's "pushed" to you, instead of you having to poll for it https://indiewebcamp.com/push_notifications
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: could you wikify here? https://indiewebcamp.com/push_notifications#How_to
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Jeena what is wikify?
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Loqi wikifying is the practice of putting stuff on the wiki, or something in particular on the wiki https://indiewebcamp.com/wikify
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kylewm I'm deciding not to power down and scale my VPS because I don't know how long that takes
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vanderven.se martijn uploaded /File:2015-07-29-hwc-goteborg.jpg "Photo taken by {{jeena}} at [[2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club|Homebrew Website Club]] in Göteborg (Sweden) on 2015-07-29.From left to right: {{jeena}}, {{joskar}}, {{martijnvdven}}."
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (+55) "/* Photos */ Göteborg" (view diff)
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Zegnat There we go :D
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tantek might be the earliest (UTC) that a photo has been added to a HWC page on the day of its happening!
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KartikPrabhu today in https is not easy: https://twitter.com/510home/status/626389021363560448
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 12 minutes ago: add yourself! https://indiewebcamp.com/about#IndieWeb_Examples http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-29/line/1438201170017
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@510home @zeldman so, how easy is it convert a website to HTTPS? Especially if you're a little kid learning to code? Asking for my daughter. (twitter.com/_/status/626389021363560448)
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Zegnat Haha, tantek, this “earliest” photo is going to be the last thing I do before going to bed. Good night all!
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Jeena nice work Zegnat :D
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Loqi sleep tight!
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kylewm upgraded VPS even though I said I wouldn't
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kylewm tantek: did you see andicascadesf's offer here last night? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-29/line/1438153526368
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tantek kylewm: I did, a bit surprised no one responded with the usual selfdogfood query
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah i try not to upgrade VPSs... i just replace them :)
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kylewm tantek: what would be the self-dogfood query there? "do you have a responsive indiewebcamp landing page on your own site?" :P
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks I liked andi's hovercard comment
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KevinMarks maybe she can help me make them better designed
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Jeena what is hovercard
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Loqi A hovercard is a brief overview, usually including thumbnail, name, and description, that is shown in a rectangle overlapping in-context when you hover over something like a link, typically richer than a plain text tooltip https://indiewebcamp.com/hovercard
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tantek kylewm: here's a pattern
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snarfed maybe the first selfdogfood request is to make her "About" link on http://idreamofdesign.com/ not 404
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snarfed </snark>
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kylewm yeah... all the links on there 404...
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snarfed oh wow
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aaronpk and when you click "back" it doesn't go back
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KevinMarks has hovercards
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KevinMarks though the about.me ones are sad
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KevinMarks :D
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tantek kylewm: when someone comes into the channel and says "Hey here's this great way to improve your website! I'd like to help you do it!" the selfdogfood response is: "Cool! Thanks for the offer! Can you show you've improved your own website in that way as an example?"
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tantek where "your website" could be someone's personal site here in the channel, or indiewebcamp.com etc.
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tantek so in your quoted text, just drop "indiewebcamp"
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tantek and change the "do you have" (sounds too confrontational) to "Could you show an example of"
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tantek "Could you show an example of a responsive landing page on your own site?"
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aaronpk makes it sound like an interview
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KevinMarks would trade indiewebifying andi's site for her redesigning mine
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@rhiaro I posted: Digital Memories #ownyourdata http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/07/digital-memories (twitter.com/_/status/626499855783981056)
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tantek yes KevinMarks that's the next step - skillswap for mutual selfdogfood improvements!
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tantek what is Calagator
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Loqi Calagator is an event hosting silo and aggregator that supports importing events marked up with hCalendar https://indiewebcamp.com/Calagator
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@MicropubInfo Micropub support as an Application Service!: This required the AS to support IndieAuth – which it does by send... https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/&ct=ga&cd=CAIyHDNlNjg4ODQzODIxNzA0ZmU6Y28udWs6ZW46R0I&usg=AFQjCNF_dUVF2D8BPXgW8AS1etwBN5bDuA&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/626503766032781312)
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@matrixdotorg RT @MicropubInfo: Micropub support as an Application Service!: This required the AS to support IndieAuth – which it does by send... http://… (twitter.com/_/status/626504247002198016)
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aaronpk https://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/
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tantek neat
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tantek aaronpk - I want to document all your awesome text based notification design that you created in the rush to SWAT0
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tantek because you obviously had to make a lot of difficult / tricky decisions to make it all work so well
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tantek which post types did you do custom notification strings / templates for?
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aaronpk likes, replies, reposts, rsvp, person-tag
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tantek also the exercise of adding good indieweb support to Calagator is a good way to document a real world example of making an aggregator site indieweb /friendly
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tantek aaronpk I'm thinking of documenting each of those on its specific post page
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aaronpk the template is {author|Someone} {liked|replied|reposted|RSVPd} to your {target post type}
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tantek maybe in a brainstorming / notification design section
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aaronpk for person tags, it's {author|Someone} tagged you in a {source post type}
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@matrixdotorg Kegan's notes on building an #indieweb micropub to Matrix gateway at @IndieWebCampUK are up at http://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/ for those interested! (twitter.com/_/status/626505677163364356)
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@kevinmarks RT @matrixdotorg: Kegan's notes on building an #indieweb micropub to Matrix gateway at @IndieWebCampUK are up at http://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/ for… (twitter.com/_/status/626505868578811904)
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aaronpk if it's a repeat webmention, then the template is {author|Someone} {updated|commented on} a {source post type}
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@MogulAzam RT @matrixdotorg: Kegan's notes on building an #indieweb micropub to Matrix gateway at @IndieWebCampUK are up at http://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/ for… (twitter.com/_/status/626505961205710848)
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aaronpk and i haven't figured out the proper way to handle the last part of that sentence
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aaronpk "someone commented on a photo {you were tagged in|that mentioned you|your photo}"
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aaronpk oops scratch that last "your photo" because that wouldn't be a webmention from yourself to yourself
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aaronpk that last part is tricky
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aaronpk tantek: i think it might be better to collect all of them on the /notification page
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aaronpk because actually implementing this means you're going to have to look for all the cases
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KevinMarks hopes he said Göteborg accurately
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joskar KevinMarks: You did pretty good actually :)
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KevinMarks I did go to sweden 35 years ago or so
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joskar hehe :)
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KevinMarks I still can't say 7 in swedish
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joskar Those 'sch'/'sj'/sh'-sounds are quite hard if you're not used to them ;) Props for actually ever had attempted to say it though :)
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joskar KevinMarks++
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kylewm hmm, maybe a basic question... In Woodwind, if you get new posts pushed up to you and rendered in JS in the browser, leave the page, then click "Back", it returns the cached version of the page without the new JS rendered posts...
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kylewm how do I not do that?
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joskar kylewm: are you using the history api for changing pages? Can't that be used to trigger a new page pull or something?
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joskar A Cache-Control: no-cache could probably also be used, but then it won't be cached in the first place...
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kylewm ok that gives me some google fodder
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kylewm thanks joskar
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KevinMarks interesting http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/28/android-users-can-now-say-ok-google-to-send-messages-via-whatsapp-wechat-nextplus-telegram-and-viber/
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tantek benwerd would you like to demo Known 0.8 at HWC tonight?
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KevinMarks we're on
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gRegorLove SWAT0 video playing
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aaronpk \o/ Leo liked the music
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gRegorLove KevinMarks++ for a great explanation of SWAT and why it's important
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gRegorLove heh "for some reason I feel like we've all given up on the federated web" Leo Laporte
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tantek not all of us
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KevinMarks that OK?
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tantek we didn't give up, we just prioritized friends over federation :)
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aaronpk KevinMarks++
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kylewm KevinMarks++ great!
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Loqi KevinMarks has 144 karma
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gRegorLove KevinMarks made a good point that "why not just use Facebook?" used to be "why not just use MySpace?" and talked about fragility debt
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tantek yes
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KevinMarks reader demo time
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gRegorLove Brace yourself, readerr.kylewm.com
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benwerd :D
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KevinMarks not working
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gRegorLove Heh, auth took him back to indieauth.com instead of reader.kylewm.com for some reason
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benwerd :'(
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kylewm ruh roh
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gRegorLove I think bc he did phone indieauth?
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kylewm why does it say "Allow Indieauth access" and not "Allow woodwind access"??
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benwerd Works OK from my Known
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gRegorLove I logged out and back in successfully
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kylewm oh man, what a bummer
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benwerd Aha
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gRegorLove He needed the www with his domain
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benwerd Can we please get IndieAuth following redirects?
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kylewm phewwww
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gRegorLove HTML5 url error, doh
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benwerd I can't give Leo leoville.net, it has to be www.leoville.net - but there's an automatic redirect from the ofrmer to the latter
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kylewm crap that's the issue tantek told me about last week with having to include http://
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gRegorLove I was looking for a JS snippet I used to fix that recently, kylewm
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benwerd Aiiee.
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kylewm oh god
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benwerd I'll try and find a way to rewrite that subdomain redirector so this kind of flow works with it :|
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gRegorLove kylewm: https://gist.github.com/gRegorLove/3e17532d0c01114a1f0e
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KevinMarks well, we have ui testing video
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gRegorLove kylewm: I used onblur, but use whatever JS events necessary for submit
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KevinMarks https://foursquare.com/v/tonys-pizza-napoletana/4a469839f964a52029a91fe3
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kylewm KevinMarks: he's also going to hit the issue where it unselects "Micropub" when it redirects from indieauth
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kylewm (if it gets that far)
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kylewm well tantek, I officially regret not fixing the Woodwind issue you reported last week https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/issues/25
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tantek oh?
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tantek what happened?
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kylewm Leo and Jeff Jarvis thought it was pretty lame
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tantek I'm a good tester :D
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Jeena hehe
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KevinMarks some odd auth flow fails there
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tantek As in, I break things in representative ways. ;)
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KevinMarks he also forgot the www which he needs for his known site
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benwerd ^^^ We will find a way to fix that
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tantek thus illustrating the fragility of using "www." subdomains for such trickery
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benwerd I'd love to be able to write Leo an email explaining that it's sorted
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benwerd Yes, but I can't avoid it
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tantek yes you can the Kevinmarks method
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tantek known.kevinmarks.com
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Jeena sometimes it shows the "authenticate with indieauth" button which is weird and he klicked on it and it didn't get him anywhere
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KevinMarks he's retrying
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KevinMarks aaronpk: have a look
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benwerd Sure, that'd work - but it'd be nice if it was actually at the root of a domain. I'm going to have to be a little fancier with the redirection
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kylewm KevinMarks: go to settings
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kylewm there you go
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tantek kylewm did you see the JS I used to make input type=url work at tantek.com/relmeauth ?
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snarfed kylewm: don't feel too bad, i tried schemaless urls first when testing micropub clients (~8 or so) the other day and half of them failed too
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tantek thought I brought that up last time this came up
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KevinMarks OK, still not quite working
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gRegorLove "this is actually really cool"
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gRegorLove There's a quote to put on the Woodwind product page
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Jeena but he was a really good user he was really patient and tried it a lot of times
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gRegorLove It didn't seem like there's a submit button on Woodwind settings page?
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KevinMarks unscripted demos--
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kylewm I'm pretty sure the problem was when you authorize micropub, it doesn't actually *select* micropub as the posting method
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kylewm :shameface:
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kylewm but hey at least i can fix it before the video goes up
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gRegorLove Note for next time, worth mentioning that Woodwind can subscribe to Atom/RSS
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kylewm I think he did say that
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gRegorLove Just heard Leo post-show asking what else he could subscribe to "has to be an indieweb site"
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Jeena hehe and it is cool to run the demo at least once before with the data/domain one will demo it live
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Jeena It's not always possible but still.
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snarfed KevinMarks: looks like leo manually posses many posts from http://www.leoville.net/ to twitter/instagram, but doesn't connect them. if it's not too late, maybe suggest plugging the urls into known so he gets backfeed
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1455747814748163#1089049754458446 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1455747814748163#10154050317238942 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club
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Jeena Oh I get what happened, in Settings after authorizing micropub you have to click on micropub again and _then_ don't forget to klick on save before you go to the home screen
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Loqi [bridgy] Rocky Yu RSVPed maybe to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1455747814748163#10153172898696236)
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benwerd So we run a 307 redirect from blah.com to www.blah.com. I'm still not sure why it 404s out, unless curl in the background isn't respecting redirects?
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benwerd If that's the case, I suppose I could mirror the micropub endpoint
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benwerd It's not great, but if that would make it work ..
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snarfed ooh 307, exotic
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tantek snarfed: I'd like to know *why* someone manually POSSEs when their software can do it automatically
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snarfed we've discussed this before, right? i pretty much only manually posse
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benwerd snarfed: so curl theoretically submits POST data etc to the destination page
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snarfed ig and g+ because no write api, twitter and fb to customize the message
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snarfed ahhhhhh redirect POST, great reason
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tantek thus for ig and g+, software can't automatically do it
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tantek for twitter and fb - that sounds like a posting UI challenge
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tantek that is, if your posting client allowed you to customize, maybe it could alleviate those reasons for manual POSSE
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snarfed afaik some CMSes can do it. maybe known?
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tantek right
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tantek built in POSSE is a big feature of Known
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tantek including to G+ ;)
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snarfed heh
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snarfed for me, manual until it hurts, and for original posts (minus checkins), it's never really hurt
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tantek ironic since you built (helped build?) Bridgy Publish to enable easier automatic POSSE :)
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tantek Bridgy++
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snarfed indeed
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snarfed my itch for that was replies, likes, etc
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kylewm hey, this thing about Indieauth and leoville.net to www.leoville.net kinda relates to http://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub-brainstorming#Micropub_for_Multi-user_Sites