#indiewebcamp 2015-07-30

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kylewm where you give indieauth.com me=http://leoville.net and it says "no silly me=https://www.leoville.net/"
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kylewm it's kind of like the case where you say me=http://knownsite.com and it returns me=http://knownsite.com/profile/myname
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kylewm benwerd: how does POST come in to play?
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benwerd kylewm: it doesn't - I've just found the issue, and (hopefully) will fix it before HWC :)
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kylewm benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 86 karma
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benwerd Fixed! I'll let people know.
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aaronpk kylewm: that's an interesting way of phrasing it
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aaronpk that turns it more into regular OAuth vs strongly tied to identity
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aaronpk because at that point, the initial step has nothing to do with claiming who you are
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kylewm tantek: I'm using cassis and your snippet of validation code from relmeauth now! works great
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kylewm tantek++
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jeena.net edited /Micropub (+33) "/* Jeena Paradies */ added photo" (view diff)
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KevinMarks the thing about relmeauth was that it was a judo trick to use silo's auth against them
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KevinMarks which is cool, but if there is a native auth, somewhat redundant
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aaronpk that's what indieauth is
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KevinMarks right
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KevinMarks but focusing on UX means we need to compete with silo's on experience, and watching leo flail for minutes there made the point
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aaronpk still needs to watch the rest of that
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kylewm he kept clicking the "login with indieauth.com" button on indieauth
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aaronpk wat, that should have been disabled
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aaronpk i should just remove it actualy
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aaronpk hey guess what, someone else should make a service like indieauth.com
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aaronpk then we can race to make them better
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tantek aaronpk - I was, with relmeauth, but then you leapt forward :)
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kylewm summons ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek yessssss indiecoffeecup or whatever it was
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aaronpk haha true
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aaronpk so someone needs to leap forward past me then :)
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Jeena Hm it kind of isn't explicit either on /Micropub nor on /person-tag that you should do category=http://example.com in micropub to person tag a person. The use of u-category kind of implies that but how do I add h-card to that micropub call at the same time? or how do I know that this is meant as a person tag? Do I look if it looks like a domain? Not all domains are personal domains.
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Jeena s/either/neither
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Loqi Jeena meant to say: Hm it kind of isn't explicit neither on /Micropub nor on /person-tag that you should do category=http://example.com in micropub to person tag a person. The use of u-category kind of implies that but how do I add h-card to that micropub call at the same time? or how do I know that this is meant as a person tag? Do I look if it looks like a domain? Not all domains are personal domains.
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aaronpk we're going to have to either inspect the string to see if it looks liek a URL (begins with "http:" or "https:", or will have to require that an h-card is sent in the micropub request
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tantek Jeena - too many questions at once! :)
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Jeena hehe, it is basically just one, how do I know that a category is a person-tag with micropub?
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Jeena Hm, to get the name I would mostly need to get the homepage of the domain and try to find the name in a h-card there anyway
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tantek right
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kylewm huh, I'm seeing "indieauth.com/auth:
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kylewm This auth server cannot be used to authenticate to itself"
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tantek Jeena - maybe I should add a flow chart for tagging?
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tantek category = URL -> you're tagging that post with that URL
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Jeena kylewm, this has been there for quite a while and it always confused me
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tantek if that URL is to a personal site (representative h-card, or shortcut with your own /nicknames-cache ) then it's a person tag
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Jeena yeah, that is clear for microformats
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tantek you can similarly use that URL as tag technique to tag a post as being about a company, a product, etc
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Jeena it is not clear for micropub
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tantek there should be a 1:1 mapping
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tantek we've worked pretty hard at that
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Jeena would I need to do it with a nested h-card somehow?
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Jeena so first post a h-card and get the url and then use location to reference it?
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Jeena hm no
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tantek you could, but don't have to
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Jeena or yes? hehe I'm confused
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tantek you literally need only the URL for micropub purposes
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KartikPrabhu your backend can add h-cards if you want
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Jeena when i get the url http://facebook.com then it is not a person, how do I know that?
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Jeena I can only know that by getting the homepage and checking for a h-card or is there some other way?
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Jeena you can see my UI for that https://jeena.net/photos/164 it kind of relates to people not domains
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aaronpk sounds like i should just not show the "indieauth.com/auth this auth server cannot be used to authenticate itself"
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aaronpk i think it might make more sense to show that once more people have their own auth servers
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aaronpk s/their own/other
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: i think it might make more sense to show that once more people have other auth servers
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aaronpk i think value-inspection to determine whether a value is a URL might be required here
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aaronpk also note that your micropub endpoint doesn't necessarily have to do that, it coudl be done at rendering time
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Jeena yeah it doesn't matter when I do it, I need to decide some time ;)
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Jeena I think I will start with just checking for urls, and in the future I can add getting a h-card from that homepage, etc.
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aaronpk that's how I did it, i'm just showing URLs for now
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Jeena I have a UI in my backend to be able to add a name, and it shows the URL if there is no name available
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aaronpk nice
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tantek just like /link-preview and cards - you can determine from the top level microformat on a page what the page is about
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@benwerd RT @matrixdotorg: Kegan's notes on building an #indieweb micropub to Matrix gateway at @IndieWebCampUK are up at http://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/ for… (twitter.com/_/status/626565850376507392)
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tantek all set here in SF
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to Homebrew Website Club Meetup SF at Mozilla - it's every 2 weeks (twitter.com/_/status/626566843923361792)
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Loqi [bridgy] Genevieve Nowicki RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1455747814748163#10153084456866220)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we just completed Indiewebcamp Edinburgh - lots of people got their sites more functional (twitter.com/_/status/626567239576219653)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we just had the first Homebrew Website Club earlier in Göteborg, Sweden https://jeena.net/notes/386 (twitter.com/_/status/626567497358143488)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I got 2 things done today - after a very public round of user testing I fixed a bug in Known with IndieAuth (twitter.com/_/status/626567654627770368)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: on my site I can now bookmark podcast episodes on my own website - now it will pick the mp3 and create a player (twitter.com/_/status/626567833305092096)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: what about soundcloud? Will that work (twitter.com/_/status/626567927228145664)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: it hotlinks soundcloud but doesn't download it - copying the file doesn't happen but it could (twitter.com/_/status/626568050284855296)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I really want to be able to link to episodes of podcasts I do it now on twitter, but it doesn;t work well (twitter.com/_/status/626568311225077761)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: new version of Known 0.8 - new interface, better handling of non-latin characters, being able to build new things (twitter.com/_/status/626568466976362496)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: people have been building interesting plugins - you can now syndicate to IRC from Known which I hadn't expected (twitter.com/_/status/626568645917995008)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we are making it work for institutions where the individual profiles are aggregated into a central space for reading (twitter.com/_/status/626568802340335617)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: micropub and other indieweb support is on by default in Known 0.8, so publishing to Known is easier (twitter.com/_/status/626568956191621120)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @andigalpern: come to UX Night and get feedback on August 13th (twitter.com/_/status/626569222173388800)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ageis: I am a sysadmin for freedom of the Press, working on whistleblowing and press freedom; I need to set up my own site (twitter.com/_/status/626569557403156480)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ageis: mu domain name would be http://cointel.pro (twitter.com/_/status/626569596108173312)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ageis: I don't liek the idea of being dependent on 3rd parties, so the indieweb principles fite (twitter.com/_/status/626569974522490880)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @KathyEms: I am an aspiring javascript developer; I have an app idea - I have built the uint tests, but not the front-end yet (twitter.com/_/status/626570222766583808)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @KathyEms: my other pet project is http://friendlyglutenfreefoods.com on wordpress - I want to make that my own site (twitter.com/_/status/626570498814668800)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @KathyEms: i want to add my own recipe cards and features, which is why I want my own site too (twitter.com/_/status/626570742134624256)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ayyrickay: I'm interning on product design at salesforce this summer (twitter.com/_/status/626571346911346689)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ayyrickay: I went all monchromatic last time I redesigned my site, but now I want to use colour theory instead (twitter.com/_/status/626571468420333569)
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kylewm was cointel.pro seriously someone's domain or was that a joke?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ayyrickay: I'm improving my javascript - been learning React and working in Meteor at the moment t (twitter.com/_/status/626571685513293824)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kateFaust: I don't have a website but I'm planning to build one for my portfolio (twitter.com/_/status/626572129249718272)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: there are event aggregators like http://calagator.org/ and http://lanyrd.com - we can look at feeding indieweb events (twitter.com/_/status/626572951857569792)
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@benwerd Two of the biggest features in Known 0.8, which I failed to mention at Homebrew Website Club: SQLite & subdirectory installations. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/626573023877804033)
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@benwerd Beta Postgres support landed in @withknown open source today, courtesy of @mapkyca. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/626573206397153281)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @andigalpern: come to UX Night and get feedback on August 13th (twitter.com/_/status/626574801520476160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aStateofKate: I have my own website now at http://www.katiejohnson.me/whatimthinking.html and want to start using noterlive (twitter.com/_/status/626575541576011776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I have made hovercards work on my site, but I need to improve the information layout of them: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-07-15.html (twitter.com/_/status/626576256939741184)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: 2 more things about Known 0.8 - you can install it in subdirectories and it works with SQLite now (twitter.com/_/status/626578586795909121)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: and we added Postgres support thanks to the magic of opensource which helps with heroku and sandstorm (twitter.com/_/status/626578735047819264)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Suw: securing wordpress is a continual nightmare for me (twitter.com/_/status/626582558122356736)
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@kevinmarks my notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site (With hovercards) http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-07-29.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/626585338350321664)
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tantek closing up here in SF!
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ben_thatmustbeme good eventing all
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ben_thatmustbeme s/t//
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: good evening all
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GWG Good evening
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GWG Did I miss anything?
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@GeoMeek RT @kevinmarks: my notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site (With hovercards) http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-07-29.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/626592007574683648)
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@aStateofKate @kevinmarks looking forward to implementing an #indieweb #liveblog so it's easier to share my thoughts! (twitter.com/_/status/626593912610656257)
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@buyfocal I bought something for $4 Homebrew website club whiskey buyfocal, bars, indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/buyfocal/status/626620494058491904/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/626620494058491904)
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kylewm !tell aaronpk for some reason yeti.indieauth.com seems to be the only one that gives me the weird option to login (recursively) via indieauth.com/auth
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu related to self-dogfooding: https://the-pastry-box-project.net/jenn-downs/2015-july-26
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@martinlindner @clbremer @DejanFreiburg @EskenSaskia @herr_arendt also eher so wie twitter (erste phase). am besten als layer über dem citizen indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/626636413317083136)
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cweiske .
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: of course you saw that I received youe webmention on my note
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@synvila @voxpelli Thank you for that link. IMO, that should be the ”Getting Started” page on the indieweb wiki. (twitter.com/_/status/626682062532157440)
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@juliendotguru RT @dietrich: Saying goodbye to another well-covered laptop. @bocoup @unhosted @nodebots @meatclubin #indieweb https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/626091425818480640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/626686746223345664)
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@synvila @rhiaro Thanks! I wrote a reply to you from my blog. If my webmentions work I guess you’ll see it on your site? http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2015/07/6708/ (twitter.com/_/status/626690613992386560)
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@synvila @voxpelli Great! (BTW, I saw some traffic to my site from an indieweb IRC-channel yesterday. Does my posts get auto-posted there?) (twitter.com/_/status/626690914065510401)
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Loqi [bridgy] Henrik Carlsson replied '@rhiaro Thanks! I wrote a reply to you from my blog. If my webmentions work I guess you’ll see it on your site? blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2015/...' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark (https://twitter.com/synvila/status/626690613992386560)
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@jeena RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we just had the first Homebrew Website Club earlier in Göteborg, Sweden https://jeena.net/notes/386 (twitter.com/_/status/626693865437810688)
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Jeena So person tagging works nos quite nice on my website, after the bare bones addition of it to photos at HWC yesterday I now added it to notes, micropub and I send a email notification to me when someone else person tags me.
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Jeena some day in the future I will need to refactor how my software is written so it is more abstract so that I can add new post types, etc. easier
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petermolnar Jeena, where do you get the list of people to tag from
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petermolnar ?
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Jeena Right now it is only two text fields, one for url and one for a optional name
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petermolnar right, but do you hand-fill it or automated the fill/crawl process somehow?
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Jeena over time when I have build up a list by doing it manually I will do a autocomplete on those fields
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Ben (+956) "add links, more data, and a definition" (view diff)
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KevinMarks hm pastrybox errors with fragmentions
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KevinMarks https://the-pastry-box-project.net/jenn-downs/2015-july-26#It%20all%20starts%20with%20watching%20someone%20use%20your%20site
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cweiske I thought fragmentions used the invalid ## double hash?
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ben_thatmustbeme they did but we found that there was no need for that
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ben_thatmustbeme just assume that if the id isn't found, try as a fragmention
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cweiske ok
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, i think my next goal is to get any mention of https://.... in my posts automatically make it a person tag if it finds an h-card at that url
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GWG Good morning
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@DelanyAndCo RT @matrixdotorg: Kegan's notes on building an #indieweb micropub to Matrix gateway at @IndieWebCampUK are up at http://matrix.org/blog/2015/07/29/micropub-support-as-an-application-service/ for… (twitter.com/_/status/626736397421006848)
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ben_thatmustbeme csarven++ for making his webmention endpoint
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Loqi csarven has 14 karma
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@t Great group last night at Homebrew Website Club! Known 0.8 #UX #design h-event aggregators and more #indieweb: http://tantek.com/2015/211/t1/homebrew-website-club-known-ux-design (twitter.com/_/status/626769854100602880)
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tantek KevinMarks++ for live tweeting and indieweb posting the photo of HWC last night!
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Loqi KevinMarks has 148 karma
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aaronpk wow great crowd!
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Loqi aaronpk: kylewm left you a message 9 hours, 29 minutes ago: for some reason yeti.indieauth.com seems to be the only one that gives me the weird option to login (recursively) via indieauth.com/auth http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-29/line/1438234948800
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tantek yeah!
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KevinMarks also Suw Sooz and EJ at dinner after
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tantek yes if EJ had come to the tail end of HWC when Suw also showed up, it would have been nearly 50/50
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tantek KevinMarks - if that happens, let's take another photo at the end too
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tantek note for future selves
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aaronpk kylewm: thanks! looks like we had the config file wrong on that one
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LanceyWork kylewm, would you be against me adding "hidden from stream" checkboxes to all post types? afaik only replies can be hidden
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@vulgomorticia Horário mais seguro pra assistir gameplay de jogo de terror indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/626774335756308480)
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KevinMarks_ This quote sums up yesterday afternoon I think https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/626718343186092032
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@kevinmarks How do I get into UX? “It all starts with watching someone use your site.” https://the-pastry-box-project.net/jenn-downs/2015-july-26 (twitter.com/_/status/626718343186092032)
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@mapkyca Syndicating your #indieweb content to IRC https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2015/07/30/syndicating-your-indieweb-content-to-irc/ (twitter.com/_/status/626776836014407680)
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aaronpk oh man
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aaronpk mapkyca++
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kylewm LanceyWork: likes and bookmarks are hidden from the stream by default, only replies are optional
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LanceyWork what if you wanted to hide a note from the stream for some reason?
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kylewm LanceyWork: but no I wouldn't be opposed to it (I think it would just be a matter of making the input a type="checkbox" instead of type="hidden")
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LanceyWork yeah
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kylewm I haven't wanted to do that
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LanceyWork i never had a reason to until today
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pkbot mapkyca thanks for the low-level IRC protocol walkthrough! (hello from telnet!)
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@matchartier Webmention http://csarven.ca/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/626787039103569920)
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gRegorLove Morning, indiewebcamp
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csarven.ca edited /URL_design (+87) "Added example of a "less URL friendly (less hackable)" URL." (view diff)
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aaronpk good morning
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@RikMende Wondering what would be the cost of a basic android app able to talk with self-hosted @withknown API & POSSE to silo networks #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/626791875102547968)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: sounds like someone wants to buy MobilePub :) ^^
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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aaronpk oh hey twitter launched hovercards
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aaronparecki.com edited /hovercard (-35) "/* Silo Examples */" (view diff)
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csarven.ca edited /User:Csarven.ca (+56) "Mentioned the listing of (un)verified interactions." (view diff)
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Zegnat What is the property data on webmentions? Hadn’t seen it before csarven’s endpoint. Is it part of the spec?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "property data on webmentions" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/100o
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aaronpk nope that's an experiment he's doing
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aaronpk he has a good writeup of it tho
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, that teaches me to read on before asking questions on IRC
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aaronpk lol
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Zegnat reading++
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Loqi reading has -1 karma
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aaronpk ha what
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Zegnat Apparently not everyone likes reading
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@kylewmahan @RikMende Maybe give @dissolve333’s MobilePub a shot? https://indiewebcamp.com/MobilePub (twitter.com/_/status/626816610217521153)
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Loqi [mention] Kyle Mahan commented 'Maybe give @dissolve’s MobilePub a shot? indiewebcamp.com/MobilePub' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/MobilePub (https://kylewm.com/2015/07/maybe-give-dissolve-s-mobilepub-a-shot-https-indiewebcamp)
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: Did pestagram user feeds break?
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gRegorLove The feed I'd subscribed to redirects to pestagram.com now
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Loqi slack/tantek: Good morning <#C03QR2B4R|indiewebcamp>!
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Loqi slack/tantek: Aww no # IRC channel tagging from slack. I guess that makes sense?
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gRegorLove Haha, that came through as "<#C03QR2B4R|indiewebcamp>"
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: hah <@U03QU5ANA> it got translated back in slack
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Loqi slack/tantek: Hahaha and that came through as a hyperlinked # indiewebcamp (without space after #)
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: i gotta figure out how to translate those @-references
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Zegnat gives Loqi a new slack-IRC-dictionary
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Loqi slack/tantek: Are those slack user#s?
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Loqi gives back the new slack-IRC-dictionary
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Loqi slack/tantek: <@U03QSEYTP>
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: yeah and channel IDs
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Loqi slack/tantek: So should we grab all those @ U.. ids on Twitter?
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: ha
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Loqi slack/tantek: Better to translate and fix the logs I suppose.
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gRegorLove Heh, that pestagram glitch flooded Woodwind with the firehose of instagram, looks like. Or whatever criteria the pestagram homepage uses.
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: wow there is no mention of that in the docs for slack web hooks
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Loqi slack/tantek: another field for /irc-people entries? slack @-U id?
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aaronpk nah i can look it up in the slack API and at least get their slack username
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KevinMarks_ Oops - the front page is just recent
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KevinMarks_ What was the feed?
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Loqi A feed is a dynamic set of posts, typically listed in reverse-chronological order, often only the most recent n (like 10) of them https://indiewebcamp.com/feed
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KevinMarks_ If I get an error I redirect to homepage
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Loqi slack/tantek: thinking about organizing an IWC before w3c tpac
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: is that in Japan?
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Loqi slack/tantek: Yes. But the IWC would be in U.S. Either SF or maybe MIT.
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Loqi slack/tantek: Rhiaro when do you get setup at MIT?
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KevinMarks_ The one I tested on http://www.pestagram.com/user/326193259 works
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KevinMarks_ Is their account still up?
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: let's see if this works now tantek
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: \o/
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Loqi slack/tantek: Whoa
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Loqi slack/tantek: Vice versa aaronpk ?
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Loqi slack/tantek: Yes!
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: now channel names should be cleaned up too <#C03QR2B4R>
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Loqi slack/tantek: Time to grep the logs for &lt;@U and fix up?
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: oh god html escaping
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Loqi slack/tantek: Oops I broke it again.
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Loqi slack/tantek: ;)
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: should would be nice if Slack documented any of this
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Loqi slack/tantek: If you blogged it you would become an authority on it.
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Loqi slack/tantek: looks at the half full potential. :)
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Loqi [bridgy] Rick Mendes favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/MobilePub (https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/626816610217521153)
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: okay that should fix it... #indiewebcamp :heart:
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GWG Slow day
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: gah slack changed that to emoji lol
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: 2 < 3
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: Yeah. Maybe something changed with the privacy? I thought the account was public.
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: Guess it's private.
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KevinMarks__ I suppose I should detect that and do a 410 or something
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Loqi slack/tantek: GWG, slow day <- debugging the Slack bridge?
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Loqi slack/tantek: If it's private shouldn't it be a 403?
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GWG The log is usually longer by now
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Loqi slack/tantek: More Slack testing: love > fear, & ampersands should be &amp; in your HTML.
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Loqi slack/tantek: Very nice aaronpk!
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aaronpk scared me for a second
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Loqi slack/tantek: Was testing both under and over escaping.
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|aaronpk| what if Slack users looked like real IRC users like this?
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ben_thatmustbeme that would be great
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ben_thatmustbeme what the hell was that?
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ben_thatmustbeme oh there it is
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Loqi slack/tantek: Hahaha are the |s the slack silo walls that they're stuck in?
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: I'd need to pick some sort of thing to put on their slack username to not conflict with actual IRC nicks
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KartikPrabhu lol
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KartikPrabhu slack/username ?
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KartikPrabhu namespacing
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ben_thatmustbeme i expected it still potentially could, but really unexpected
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|aaronpk| IRC nicks can't have /
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KartikPrabhu oh slack-username?
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ben_thatmustbeme usernamespacing
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slack|aaronpk but I could do this
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KartikPrabhu | is a very unreadable character, but your coice
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gRegorLove p-slack-username
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KartikPrabhu :P
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slack|ben_thatmu actually freenode is pretty restrictive on the length of names so probably better to use a symbol
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KartikPrabhu right, hence hyphen instead of pipe
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|aaronpk| no I mean I don't want to add "slack" in the nick because it takes up too many characters
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[KartikPrabhu] what about this
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[aaronpk] not bad
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[KartikPrabhu] :P
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[KartikPrabhu] and Loqi can strip the [] to give tell messages and all that
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KartikPrabhu alright off to a talk
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[aaronpk] yeah and when IRC people mention [aaronpk] I'd translate it back to a slack @mention so that it looks good on the slack side
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KevinMarks__ using a sharp sign to represent the slack logo would be amusing, but confusing
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aaronpk sadly not a valid nick character
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats reserved for chatrooms
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Loqi slack/tantek: Hah [aaronpk] looks like someone put aaronpk in a box.
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Loqi slack/aaronpk: a Slack box
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kylewm Loqi would have to rename himself every time someone talks?
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk nope :)
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ben_thatmustbeme oh man, that may hit limits on freenode
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aaronpk that'd be hilarious tho
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: its okay, elf-pavlik is alive
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ben_thatmustbeme :D
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Loqi slack/tantek: Was editing /2015/ and my browser crashes yeah that browser :/
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Loqi slack/tantek: Dang. Haven't lost textarea edits in quite some time. Usually session restore brings them all back.
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tantek.com edited /2015/planning (+193) "comment out planned block until we have another one planned, separate possibles with likely venues/dateranges, vs. twinkles" (view diff)
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Loqi slack/tantek: Ben_thatmustbe do you think /2015/Providence is still a possibility or shall we drop it or move it to possibilities for 2016?
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Loqi slack/tantek: ben_thatmusbeme ^^^
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Loqi slack/tantek: Is there anyone here who lives in Austin TX or going to AEA Austin or likes to visit Austin?
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ben_thatmustbeme i think drop it tantek
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ben_thatmustbeme there was no interest from anyone else and the babies make this pretty unlikely now
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idolstarastronomer.com created /User:Idolstarastronomer.com (+220) "made a page for myself." (view diff)
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elf-pavlik howdy :) ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro
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ben_thatmustbeme hi elf-pavlik, haven't heard from you in a while
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rhiaro waves to elf-pavlik
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro was worried you were still alive
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather was worried you weren't
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elf-pavlik haha ain't dead yet ;)
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elf-pavlik waves to rhiaro
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rhiaro Don't worry, I'm reassured by sporadic messages to various mailing lists :)
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elf-pavlik i finally started refactoring to Web ACL on my website
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elf-pavlik very random messages :S
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elf-pavlik happy to stay with fkooman again and we'll take a look at http://indiewebcamp.com/private-webmention
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ben_thatmustbeme elf-pavlik: cool i'd really like to see it that working well
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@benwerd @andysylvester99 We were using some namespaced link tags - particularly for some indieweb resources. Absolutely a no go. (twitter.com/_/status/626845489200173056)
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gRegorLove tantek: I like visiting Austin. Why do you ask?
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tantek gRegorLove: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/#Austin
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gRegorLove Ah. I can't swing it this year.
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Loqi [mention] http://kongaloosh.com linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kongaloosh.com linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kongaloosh.com linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kongaloosh.com linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (webmention)
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aaronpk can't wait to finish that clustering code
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snarfed1 aaronpk++ me too
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Loqi aaronpk has 916 karma
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tantek.com moved /2015/Providence to /Providence "unlikely in 2015, keep as a generic city interest page for others to add interest"
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snarfed1 oh i need to look at your revised example
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aaronpk minor changes based on your notes
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snarfed want feedback here? or there?
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aaronpk probably keep it on the thread
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snarfed k
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tantek.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (-35) "no Providence this year" (view diff)
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kylewm sad, how about Serendipity?
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kylewm retracts bad joke
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snarfed har
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snarfed :P
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KevinMarks__ video of TWiG is up if we want to review the UX again
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tantek time index?
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KevinMarks__ https://youtu.be/iY73s77r12g?t=1h49m38s
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tantek.com edited /2015/planning (+771) "note 2015/NYC possibility still exists, no Providence in 2015, collapse lists with interest, subheads" (view diff)
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tantek all: please add yourself if you're interested in participating, volunteering, or helping co-organize the IndieWebCamps listed here: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/planning#Planning
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tantek let's see if we can make a few more happen before the end of the year
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kylewm.com edited /2015/planning (+40) "/* Planning */" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2015-planning (+27) "r because I typod in IRC" (view diff)
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KevinMarks__ 3 in 2 weeks wasn't enough?
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KevinMarks__ ;)
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tantek it's called momentum KevinMarks! plus we still have to beat last year's count of *6*
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+743) "/* Structure */ add Setup section, sign, projector, conversation corner" (view diff)
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tantek !tell andicascadesf you asked 2015-07-29 at HWC-SF how another city could organize a Homebrew Website Club meetup - all documented on the page by that name: https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club - follow-up with any questions here in IRC!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@tinokremer Nice #indieweb reader: http://reader.kylewm.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/626860768835829760)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (+158) "/* Göteborg */ add SF, hotlink Kevin's photo til he uploads it :P" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (+97) "/* San Francisco */ inline max-width style because MW default styling is dumb" (view diff)
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jeena.net edited /Micropub (+41) "/* Jeena Paradies */ added person tagging" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+12) "next iwc is being planned" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-iwc (-1) "planning" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ update next date" (view diff)
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tantek huh that's very weird, thought for sure I'd already updated /Events last week
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tantek.com edited /Template:events (+25) "add 2014" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+3363) "move July to past, add August HWC events, link to 2015/planning for more, trim planning set to those with likely/probably local organizers" (view diff)
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tantek ok the year is half over, we can move 2014 to its own page
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tantek.com created /events/2014 (+39230) "move 2014 events to its own page, since we're halfway+ through 2015" (view diff)
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Kongaloosh I have a question about webmentions, if anyone has a chance
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Kongaloosh I'm easing myself in with webmention.io
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Kongaloosh and I've spoofed some webmentions to myself
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tantek.com edited /Events () "(-38888) move 2014 events to its own page, since we're halfway+ through 2015, month spacers for 2015" (view diff)
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Kongaloosh I'm curling to see if I can find them through the API
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Kongaloosh so
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Kongaloosh an example would be curl http://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=kongaloosh.com/e/2015/7/26/9-weeks-of-indieweb
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tantek.com edited /Events (+0) "/* Add events to your calendar */ fix frag link" (view diff)
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Kongaloosh so I'm asking for a particluar entry's mentions
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Kongaloosh and I'm getting nothing back
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Kongaloosh though I got a 200 when I submitted something with a mention...
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rhiaro kongaloosh: you definitely sent it to the same url you're checking?
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tantek.com edited /Events (+0) "move Past years closer to bottom where it may be more discoverable for the context of this page" (view diff)
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rhiaro shh loqi, kongaloosh is speaking
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Loqi dude
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aaronpk Kongaloosh: webmention.io does the verification asynchronously, so you'll always get back 200
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rhiaro aaronpk: loqi feature request - stifle automatic stuff when there's a certain frequency of messages in the channel..?
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aaronpk rhiaro: i can't really stop wiki edits
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rhiaro but you can shh loqi..
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aaronpk not the wiki edits
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aaronpk it's too low level
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snarfed Kongaloosh: try adding http:// to your target
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snarfed (or https)
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rhiaro I tried that already
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tantek.com edited /Events (+13) "/* See Also */ possible events was a 2014 only thing that never went anywhere. link to 2015 page instead, fully expecting to change that to 2016 when the time comes" (view diff)
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Kongaloosh snarfed: nada
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Kongaloosh that was my thought, too :/
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aaronpk Kongaloosh: there's no link to your target on the page you sent as the source
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aaronpk so it's not a valid webmention
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Kongaloosh shoot, right!
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rhiaro oh, hey, shoulda seen that
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Kongaloosh derp
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Kongaloosh aaronpk++
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tantek will pause wiki editing for a bit.
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Loqi aaronpk has 917 karma
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tantek that seems like something indiewebify could test for you?
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tantek validate webmention or something
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rhiaro I think I made that exact same mistake myself when first testing
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Kongaloosh ah, I was just curling
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Kongaloosh it seemed more straight-forward-ish
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myfreeweb my microformats2 parser is ready! https://github.com/myfreeweb/microformats2-parser -- going to add webmention receiving to Sweetroll soon
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@austintaylor Falling down the http://indiewebcamp.com rabbit hole. Why didn’t anyone tell me about this? (twitter.com/_/status/626882851842207744)
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tantek myfreeweb++ very cool!!!
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tantek that's a great tweet
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@myfreeweb RT @austintaylor: Falling down the http://indiewebcamp.com rabbit hole. Why didn’t anyone tell me about this? (twitter.com/_/status/626883601326542848)
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snarfed Jeena: just fyi your wm endpoint is 500ing https://www.brid.gy/twitter/jeena#responses
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Jeena thanks, I just saw it half an hour ago and fixed it, will push the update in half an hour or something
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Jeena wow, neat mf2 parser for haskel, wasn't chreekat looking into that during IWC?
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Jeena myfreeweb++
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tantek myfreeweb: btw you may want to hang out in #microformats too!
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myfreeweb Jeena: yep https://github.com/myfreeweb/microformats2-parser/pull/1
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KartikPrabhu Kongaloosh: there is a tool to test webmentions made by kbsriram I believe: https://checkmention.appspot.com/
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Jeena ah very nice
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KartikPrabhu Kongaloosh: see an example on my note: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/test-note-totally-te
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KartikPrabhu tough I haven't figured out how to sanitise the HTML so the h-card XSS still goes through
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tantek myfreeweb - do you have a textarea or URL based UI to try your parser? like http://pin13.net/mf2/
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gRegorLove myfreeweb++
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Jeena the links at the bottom of http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc for 2015 seem all to be wrong, off by one day or something
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aaronpk they look find to me
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aaronpk fine*
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Jeena oh wait, I misunderstood the meaning
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Jeena now I get it, and yeah sorry they look fine
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myfreeweb @tantek: i'll try to make one quickly
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Jeena ok, nice, I know the UI is not the best one and I will work on it but I just wanted the functionality badly https://jeena.net/likes/1
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aaronpk woohoo!
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Jeena wohoo!
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, hi o/ could you imagine making diagram for http://indiewebcamp.com/private-webmention
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: like this kind? http://indiewebcamp.com/obtaining-an-access-token
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, yes but for webmention not micropub :)
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aaronpk probably a good idea!
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elf-pavlik fkooman, http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-30/line/1438297051316
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elf-pavlik i get lost on "Alice's token endpoint verifies the authorization code against Bob's authorization endpoint and responds with an access token."
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aaronpk i'm not very good with the particular tool that made that diagram, but i could try
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elf-pavlik i can also edit wiki to replace alice.com and bob.com with alice.example and bob.example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.example
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aaronpk is .example a real TLD?
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elf-pavlik see wikipedia link
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tantek elf-pavlik: welcome back! and we've been using example.com and example.net as TLDs to indicate explicitly that the examples use *different* TLDs
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aaronpk that doesn't mention the .example TLD
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aaronpk we've been using things like alice.example.com and bob.example.org
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elf-pavlik .com .org easy to miss
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tantek better than no difference
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elf-pavlik The name example is reserved by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) in RFC 2606 (June 1999) as a domain name that may not be installed as a top-level domain in the Domain Name System (DNS) of the Internet.[1]
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tantek elf-pavlik: anyway, it's a solved (and better solved) problem with *.example.com *.example.net *.example.org so let's continue using those. no advantage to .example, and disadvantage (implies same TLD).
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elf-pavlik curl -i alice.example.org
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elf-pavlik for organizationad (shared) spaces using e.g. social.w3.example sounds reasonable or whatwg.example ...
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aaronpk that just doesn't look like a domain
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elf-pavlik ok
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tantek yup - more confusion is likely with .example
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tantek perhaps we should document these reasons in an FAQ about why to avoid using .example in examples
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fkooman i use .example in examples, i think it is even mentioned in the rfc
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fkooman http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606#section-2
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aaronpk favorite sequence diagram tool?
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (+162) "/* Level 2 */ note h-card on homepage minimum is name, url, photo - more info would be great, ok to use separate /about page too" (view diff)
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tantek Jeena: ^^^ thanks to your feedback
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snarfed aaronpk: does dot count?
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snarfed ducks
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aaronpk totally
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snarfed it probably shouldn't :P
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elf-pavlik https://bramp.github.io/js-sequence-diagrams/
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aaronpk i like that the source code for the image is pasted under it here http://indiewebcamp.com/File:micropub-auth-flow.png
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: nice thanks, that looks reasonable
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elf-pavlik also nice if it could draw from git(hub) / gist links
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aaronparecki.com edited /private-webmention (+168) "replace with example.com/org domains" (view diff)
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, why don't i need code from Bob's authorization endpoint if i don't write to Bob's resource server?
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elf-pavlik http://indiewebcamp.com/private-webmention#Generating_the_authorization_code
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elf-pavlik diagram could show all the parties, webmenion endpoint seems to act as oauth client but also as resource server?
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elf-pavlik afk ~10min
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tantek myfreeweb++ wow this is cool: http://pronoun.is/they cc: acegiak kylewm
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@chriskrycho RT @austintaylor: Falling down the http://indiewebcamp.com rabbit hole. Why didn’t anyone tell me about this? (twitter.com/_/status/626895330429267968)
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tantek what is Haskell?
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Loqi Haskell is a pure functional programming language https://indiewebcamp.com/Haskell
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tantek what is Sweetroll?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Sweetroll" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/100p
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tantek ^^^ when you have a moment myfreeweb :)
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myfreeweb oh yeah sure
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GWG Another day
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GWG I'm trying to figure out if switching to OOP was the best move in a certain case.
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aaronpk it usually isn't :P
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GWG aaronpk: How so?
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tantek.com created /OOP (+53) "r" (view diff)
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tantek what is OOP?
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Loqi The object-oriented-programming antipattern is the excessive / unnecessary use of object-oriented-programming (OOP) and OOP techniques when simple procedural functions would have sufficed, with less overhead, fewer files to navigate around, fewer indirections to follow while debugging, etc https://indiewebcamp.com/OOP
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aaronpk a lot of time the hierarchy and interitance patterns from OOP aren't actually useful to the problem
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aaronpk PHP has namespacing now, which is often times what OOP PHP was used for, to avoid polluting the global function space
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KevinMarks__ https://twitter.com/morganastra/status/626818676210143232
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@morganastra object orientation is an elaborate web of design traps with something that looks like a computation model woven between them as bait (twitter.com/_/status/626818676210143232)
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tantek amazing. KevinMarks please add to /OOP
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GWG aaronpk: I'm trying to figure out how to have a 'black box' for microformats metadata.
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GWG aaronpk: WordPress doesn't do it with namespacing, I believe
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aaronpk wordpress is mess of old php, so no
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GWG It recommends 5.4, but only requires 5.2.4
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aaronpk wow i didn't realize it dropped php 4 support
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aaronpk is still like 6 years out of date with wordpress
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