#indieweb 2016-08-10

2016-08-10 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "Reminder: it's Homebrew Website Club tomorrow night in SF, at GoDaddy this time: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-sf-2016-08-10 https://www.facebook.com/events/1137851869594566/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/reminder-its-homebrew-website-club-tomorrow-night-in-sf-at
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GWG Evening.
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[kevinmarks] Evening
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[kevinmarks] I'm pondering AMP
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GWG [kevinmarks]: Have you been hanging out with Jeff Jarvis again?
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[kevinmarks] Suddenly struck that amp with microformats could be a good combination
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[kevinmarks] As amp is much less likely to be overdone with styles
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GWG Do you mean amp + microformats or an amp-like thing with microformats?
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GWG You'll have to elaborate.
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[kevinmarks] And that amp really needs a feed model
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miklb what is amp
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Loqi Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) is a Google-led project that speeds up a subset of HTML through caching and dependencies on google: https://indieweb.org/AMP
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[kevinmarks] I mean pole should bake microformats into their amp templates
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GWG pole?
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[kevinmarks] s/pole/people/
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GWG Oh, that makes more sense.
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GWG Got Proof of Concept?
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GWG My concern is still the JS hosted by Google.
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[kevinmarks] Well, the known ones have microformats
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[kevinmarks] I have an amp viewer hack
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[kevinmarks] http://www.kevinmarks.com/ampview.html
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@RikMende Moving https://www.rmendes.net/ from @DreamHost to @IndieHosters will be using indie bundle with @owncloud @withknown #indieweb #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/763371884255797248)
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hs0ucy Hi, hello ... Is there a script to create a feed from all h-entry of a site ?
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cweiske there were two web applications for that
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cweiske https://github.com/kartikprabhu/hfeed2atom is one
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hs0ucy cweiske: ok, thanks. And de the second one
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hs0ucy ?
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cweiske no idea
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cweiske $searchengine is your friend
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hs0ucy cweiske: all right :)
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sknebel hs0ucy: https://github.com/snarfed/granary
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aaronpk i have this weird idea for a new kind of post i want to make for my site, but not sure the best way to go about it, or whether there are other examples i can look at
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GWG aaronpk: Share with the group.
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aaronpk i want to make daily "roll-up" (or stats?) posts that show summaries of things about the day that don't otherwise fit into post-sized pieces
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aaronpk examples: number of steps walked today. list and amount of time spent in each project in my text editor. MB of cell data used.
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petermolnar sound like a cal for h-summary
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aaronpk i'm thinking about prototyping it in a super simple way, basically not adding any code to my site, and just posting them as HTML articles at first
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GWG aaronpk, would be interested to see a prototype even though I don't have such a thing on my horizon.
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[kevinmarks] That does seem like a common type of post, though not sure what you'd call it
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GWG Summary Post?
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aaronpk Can you think of any silo examples of this?
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GWG I get summary emails on a weekly/monthly/etc basis from various sites. For example, I mentioned I installed Automatic in my car and now I get car usage summary emails.
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@jimpick @bmann @Stv This is the first one I will have been to, but I was at the Indieweb Summit a few months ago. I'm curious about the format. (twitter.com/_/status/763399649952620544)
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aaronpk Ah yeah they are more often seen as emails!
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GWG I remember seeing some WordPress plugins that would do a Twitter stat page every day/way.
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[kevinmarks] Round-up post? There have been things that do that for tweets or bookmarks for a while
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hs0ucy sknebel: thanks
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aaronpk experimenting with IFTTT https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/10/10/indieweb-like
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Just set up a "like" button that works from any iOS app using the IFTTT "Do Note" app. I can "share" a URL from any app and turn it into a Micropub post via an IFTTT recipe.... https://aaronparecki.com/2016/08/10/10/share-from-twitter.png
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@gRegorLove @Stv Not yet, but you can add your interest for it / learn more here: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club @jimpick (twitter.com/_/status/763440683151597569)
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@michaelgraaf Indie Web: escape corporate curation and surbeillance https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/763450425030893568)
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@glenux Ne suffirait-il pas d'un #IPFS + TTL des données insérées en fonction d'un coût de maintien sur le du réseau ? #indieweb #smartcontract (twitter.com/_/status/763456634953891840)
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@kevinmarks Can I invite @ftrain and @anildash to lead a session on this at Indiewebcamp NYC? http://2016.indieweb.org/nyc2 https://twitter.com/ftrain/status/763460446686965762 (twitter.com/_/status/763470303636758528)
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@kevinmarks @anildash @energyovertime @ftrain I responded to your last shopping list, remember? http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html Do I need to fisk this one too? (twitter.com/_/status/763472077118504961)
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aaronpk heh "A modern reinvention of Trackback-style features could connect conversations on different websites in the same way that @ replies work on Twitter." https://medium.com/@anildash/the-lost-infrastructure-of-social-media-d2b95662ccd3
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aaronpk waves to anildash
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Malcolm Blaney's dobrado supoorts SWAT0 #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-malcolm-blaneys-dobrado-supoorts-swat0-indieweb-41b47d25fa
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bear wow - zero mentions of anyting IndieWeb related in that article
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aaronpk i tweeted this http://twtr.io/1FkXH5p5wLG
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@aaronpk @anildash Working on it: Responses -> https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ API -> https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ (twitter.com/_/status/763473049836322816)
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bear *nods*
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bear i'm also reading the thread Kevin started
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aaronpk why can't we just be friends
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bear seriously
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aaronpk i keep thinking about the chicken and the egg problem
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aaronpk in order to get this "adoption" everyone keeps talking about, it's ultimately going to take a company building a service with indieweb features
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aaronpk but right now, it's hard to justify doing that when there aren't enough other things to talk to at the scale that theoretical company would be operating at
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bear yea, it would have to be a grass roots service that then gets popular
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aaronpk part of me wonders if there's something around search that we could take advantage of
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aaronpk google has gotten so bad about blog search lately
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aaronpk and historically that was a major driver of "indie" things like having a website or adding microformats markup
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bear search + notifications maybe?
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aaronpk superfeedr was in a good position for that, but now i don't know what the situation there is
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miklb seems bridgy would be the first thing that needs to scale
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aaronpk bridgy wouldn't be necessary if services supported webmention and microformats natively
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miklb ah
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aaronpk the ultimate goal is to put bridgy out of business :P
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miklb heh
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miklb somehow I don't see twitter implementing webmentions, but I'd love to be proven wrong
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aaronpk it's true, it's very unlikely. it would have to be something like a bunch of other webmention-supporting services suddenly got popular and twitter was forced to implement it otherwise the twitter users can't participate in the larger conversations
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miklb but if more platforms adopted, something like snippets.today could put Twitter out to pasture
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miklb though I still post more ephemeral stuff to Twitter that I don't post on my site even though I have the ability to
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Loqi [indieweb] "The Indieweb Frees Me From “Awaiting Moderation”" by Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/10/the-indieweb-frees-me-from-awaiting-moderation/
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Loqi [indieweb] ""The Indieweb Frees Me From “Awaiting Moderation”" in Boffo Socko" by ChrisAldrich https://medium.com/boffo-socko/the-indieweb-frees-me-from-awaiting-moderation-4699122474a2?source=rss------social_media-5
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@ChrisAldrich The Indieweb Frees Me From "Awaiting Moderation" http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/10/the-indieweb-frees-me-from-awaiting-moderation/ #ownyourdata https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/763485556160417792/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/763485556160417792)
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Loqi [indieweb] ""The Indieweb Frees Me From “Awaiting Moderation”" in Boffo Socko" by ChrisAldrich https://medium.com/boffo-socko/the-indieweb-frees-me-from-awaiting-moderation-4699122474a2?source=rss-f9e3747f5480------2
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[kevinmarks] Do we need to build Technorati again?
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aaronpk that's kind of where i was going with that :)
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aaronpk this company seems to have done something like that already https://mention.com/
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aaronpk "Our web monitoring crawls websites, blogs, forums, social media, and more." https://mention.com/en/media-monitoring/web-monitoring/
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KevinMarks1 hm, that's annoying given I have mention.tech - they may get all trademarky
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KevinMarks1 how is this different from datasift etc?
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AngeloGladding i see a personal crawler as a core necessity
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KevinMarks1 I'm going to make a wikipage to fill in Anil's comparison chart - what should I call it?
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aaronpk datasift and the other one i forgot only talk to like twitter and facebook
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aaronpk at least mention.com crawls blogs
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aaronpk AngeloGladding: i totally agree. that's essentially the only way i read twitter now, i dont go to the home timeline. i would love to extend that idea to everyone's indieweb sites, but building a crawler is hard
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AngeloGladding i believe Python > PHP for such background purposes
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aaronpk eh it's not the language that makes it hard
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aaronpk i run plenty of background processes in PHP anyway
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AngeloGladding so you have a cron task run a PHP script?
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aaronpk i have a bunch of php scripts that get run at boot by the same OS mechanism that runs the web server etc
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KevinMarks1 I wrote the technorati crawler using Twisted, and it was process-parallel
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AngeloGladding so you have a long-running PHP script?
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aaronpk several
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AngeloGladding nice
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AngeloGladding Twisted was probably very well suited way back when
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KevinMarks1 if you do it right you have a lot of things blocking on reads, so node could be a decent model too
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AngeloGladding Python has built-in asyncio nowadays
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AngeloGladding here's a preview: http://aosabook.org/en/500L/a-web-crawler-with-asyncio-coroutines.html
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AngeloGladding Guido (author of Python) wrote that
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AngeloGladding I was hitting all of your sites hourly about a week ago
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AngeloGladding sorry didn't respect robots yet..
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AngeloGladding integrating w/ webmentions will be a bit more complex but i think both are needed
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AngeloGladding @aaronpk what else did you crawl?
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KevinMarks1 I was thinking a webmention sender like telegraph would go well with a crawler
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KevinMarks1 as it fetches every target anyway
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aaronpk this is more background on my setup https://aaronparecki.com/2015/08/29/8/why-i-live-in-irc
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Why I Live in IRC
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KevinMarks1 every potential target
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AngeloGladding telegraph?
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aaronpk https://telegraph.p3k.io/
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KevinMarks1 what is lost infrastructure?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lost infrastructure" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks1 lost infrastructure is [https://medium.com/@anildash/the-lost-infrastructure-of-social-media-d2b95662ccd3 The Lost Infrastructure of Social Media] a silo post by Anil Dash calling for indieweb-like tech
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks1 maybe I can morph mention-tech into that
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KevinMarks1 as it caches mentions anyway
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KevinMarks1 wow, Anil's table is a bitmap
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KevinMarks1 did you see Paul's article on AMP? https://trackchanges.postlight.com/were-bullish-on-amp-abfc6e1f10a1
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AngeloGladding aaronpk: well that's quite the approach w/ irc bots
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AngeloGladding you must have been the one to show me weehcat back in january
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aaronpk possibly!
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aaronpk i'm using weechat via a web interface now, it's even better
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AngeloGladding i suppose you can grep the logs and utilize all the standard unix flat file tools
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aaronpk yep, I do that often
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AngeloGladding but having the crawler parse structured content (microformats) and pushing that into a database for all kinds of output seems so much more robust
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AngeloGladding do you do that as well?
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aaronpk yeah, that's my ultimate goal
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aaronpk i'm getting there
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AngeloGladding gotcha
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AngeloGladding i'm working on releasing my code and a one-click installer so i've halted feature dev for the last week or so
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AngeloGladding but i'm looking to websocket new crawler finds to my site as I use it
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AngeloGladding similar instaneity but keeps it in the browser
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AngeloGladding how do you use weechat in browser?
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aaronpk https://www.glowing-bear.org/
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AngeloGladding thnx
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AngeloGladding very interested in anyone's indieweb crawler dev.. e.g. decentralized technorati
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AngeloGladding gg get ready for HWC
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@sdepolo See @benwerd & @kevinmarks of Homebrew Website club #indieweb on https://www.youtube.com/ @eoLaporte's @TWiT (twitter.com/_/status/763519987432640514)
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@benwerd And @erinjo! Wow, this was almost two years ago. #indieweb https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/763519987432640514 (twitter.com/_/status/763520224859533313)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on The Indieweb Frees Me From “Awaiting Moderation” by Lynne Doran" by Lynne Doran http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/10/the-indieweb-frees-me-from-awaiting-moderation/#comment-31652