#indieweb 2016-08-19
2016-08-19 UTC
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-19.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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# Loqi [indieweb] "This Week in the IndieWeb" on 2016-08-19 https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-19.html
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KartikPrabhu did that publish before its time?
# KartikPrabhu i guess it did UTC
# KartikPrabhu goodluck!
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snarfed it's just like any other mf2 like or reply. you can find an example on someone else's twitter user page. for example, looking at a log link on https://brid.gy/twitter/schnarfed ...
# snarfed here's one for a like: https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/schnarfed/765977896506630145/2695482240
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# AngeloGladding snarfed if you've made a recent change to your site i believe you have altered your main h-card so that it is no longer "representative" fyi
# KartikPrabhu AngeloGladding: what algorithm/code are you using to find the representative h-card? are you sure it has the full algorithm in /representative-h-card?
# AngeloGladding i'm using kylewm's mf2util -- here's the relevant part in my fork: https://github.com/angelogladding/mf2util/blob/master/mf2util.py#L317
# AngeloGladding when it fails to find a repr i investigate the site's source directly
# AngeloGladding my site's UI enforces reprs to be added for now
# AngeloGladding my crawler expected it upon each crawl
# AngeloGladding it errored on snarfed.org at some point this eve
# KartikPrabhu what is representative h-card?
# Loqi The representative h-card for a page is an h-card on that page that represents that page, if any, as not all pages are about a person or organization, a page might not have a representative h-card https://indieweb.org/representative_h-card
# AngeloGladding and that's why i'm erring on the side of strict enforcement
# AngeloGladding i don't want any false positives
# KartikPrabhu your additional code does look like ti is following the algorithm. But why is there a need for every site to have a representative h-card i.e. your site need not be so strict about having an h-card int he first palce
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# AngeloGladding strictly a simplicity thing at this point
# KartikPrabhu having good fallbacks is better than enforcing "strictness" on other people's sites
# KartikPrabhu I am sure mine will fail too
# AngeloGladding just figure those who are marking up near-repr hcards on their indiewebsite might want to know that a `u-uid` would indiewebify them
# AngeloGladding what's your url?
# KartikPrabhu i don't think having a representative h-card is a requirement for "indiewebifying"
# AngeloGladding i haven't seen it stated at such.. i personally believe it should be
# AngeloGladding don't want to push anything for my own purposes
# AngeloGladding but don't you think?
# KartikPrabhu no. being indieweb is simply having your site, posting on it, using it as your primary identity
# KartikPrabhu all the markup stuff is plumbing
# KartikPrabhu sort of enhancements
# AngeloGladding using it as your primary identity is in line with having a repr
# AngeloGladding if you indieauth in to a site it'd be nice for the site to greet you by name
# KartikPrabhu right. it would be nice, but not required. the other site could fallback to just your URL
# KartikPrabhu like "welcome kartikprabhu.com"
# AngeloGladding well i mean nothing is required
# AngeloGladding its all opt-in for this use case or that
# KartikPrabhu right which is why I suggested that your site not be so strict about it
# AngeloGladding my site ui now has a URL box to add someone
# AngeloGladding simplicity for now
# KartikPrabhu yeah the UI is fine, it seems your backend code is being strict about having an h-card
# AngeloGladding snarfed got on to the list last night w/ a repr card
# AngeloGladding so far everyone that's gotten on had a repr
# AngeloGladding and has kept one
# AngeloGladding he was the first to lose the repr after having been added
# AngeloGladding i've fixed my crawler to no longer require it
# AngeloGladding i'll add everyone else from /irc-people tonight
# AngeloGladding and see what kind of numbers have and don't have a repr
# KartikPrabhu :thumbs-up:
# AngeloGladding would it up for debate to include in IndieMark?
# AngeloGladding do you think it could be?
# KartikPrabhu yeah I guess it could be in IndieMark, but I am not sure what level
# AngeloGladding what's your opposition to it? complexity?
# KartikPrabhu i think it is less complex that some of the other things. I just don't see a good place to insert it is all
# AngeloGladding https://indieweb.org/IndieMark#Level_2_identity seems appropriate
# AngeloGladding if you put a repr on your site i'll add you ;)
# AngeloGladding brb
# KartikPrabhu AngeloGladding: Level 2 Identity might be good. In effect it says to add an h-card, but does not say the it should be found by the repr h-card algorithm
# KartikPrabhu AngeloGladding: I see that I can add a rel=me to my h-card to make it compliant. I'll look into that
# KartikPrabhu hmm actually no. rel=me says that "this page has the same identity as the rel=me URL" but I think of my site as "not me" but my site
# KartikPrabhu the about page is me
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KevinMarks Hm. When people cite you that probably logo to your site, not your about page
# KartikPrabhu yeah well
# AngeloGladding yeah that's a problem i've grappled with in the past
# AngeloGladding check it..
# AngeloGladding rel=me your top-level to keep a clean, *short* identity URL
# AngeloGladding me rel=me your about page as well
# KartikPrabhu hmm I have rel=me to my about page in my head, so I should do it to my h-card too i suppose
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# AngeloGladding a future iteration of the crawler will assimilate all h-card info from all related sources
# AngeloGladding ...
# AngeloGladding i'm thinking out loud
# AngeloGladding something along those lines.. which seems more complicated than a simple repr on the root but, again, i'm trying to run with the real-world not define it
# AngeloGladding hey ChrisAldrich i'll be at HWC
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ChrisAldrich Evening all! Thanks Angelo!
# ChrisAldrich GWG: Congrats on the Make WordPress Core possibility. How much do you think you can get away with injecting some webmention goodness into your planned post?
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# ChrisAldrich Angelo: your repr h-card bot being used on /irc_people would be an interesting way of testing the percentage of people who've at least gotten to a certain point within the community. I'm curious what the percentage is when you're done.
# ChrisAldrich Over time, it also becomes a measure of how easy/hard some of these things are to implement.
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# KartikPrabhu I recall bear having some indieweb-stats crawler for such things
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# AngeloGladding ChrisAldrich rascul was using https://angelo.lahacker.net/people/QF62bE/Ray-Schulz as a de facto validator
# AngeloGladding a lack of consumers was a problem with the Semantic Web
# AngeloGladding both of your points are *exactly* what I'm going for in the short-term
# ChrisAldrich Angelo, rascul's result is certainly prettier than mine ;)
# AngeloGladding heh him and I concluded that we come from the minimalism end of the spectrum
# AngeloGladding you represent the opposite end
# AngeloGladding tolerating both approaches is crucial
# AngeloGladding diversity will help me build robustness
# ChrisAldrich I'm also using a good bit of off-the-shelf code (some good, some bad) to do specific things from a consumer viewpoint, but which isn't always pretty from a parser's perspective.
# AngeloGladding the person pages are currently just full dumping.. when i aggregate data from all related resources and present in a pretty manner it may just bring bountiful order to the chaos you've created
# ChrisAldrich It's nicer when one has the time to build from the metal up...
# AngeloGladding yeah building a full fledged decentralized social networking platform with full indieweb compliance as one of its primary goals..
# ChrisAldrich It also becomes interesting when people have specific pages of those they're /following and you can create network "maps" for analysis
# AngeloGladding definitely should execute the task better than a blogging platform being tweaked
# AngeloGladding are you aware of any in the wild?
# AngeloGladding the crawler will be taught to speak the twitter API so that data will be pulled back in to the graph (TOS willing)
# KevinMarks We need a use case for publishing following. Maybe it is vouch
# AngeloGladding but indieweb sites w/ a /following XFN would be ideal
# AngeloGladding vouch? is that some anti-spam thing you guys are working on?
# AngeloGladding what is vouch
# Loqi The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
# AngeloGladding very nice
# AngeloGladding a web of trust
# ChrisAldrich or a mixture of that with a /blogroll. One of the features I do like about Facebook is that I can custom group different groups of friends, and then with one click read up on what that circle of friends/relations is doing. I'm probably one of 10 people that knows that functionality exists and actually uses it.
# KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich: sounds like a feature for a /reader
# jboy That's also the one thing G+ got right
# ChrisAldrich it's certainly mixed in with having a reader, and also a piece which helps create a network. It's also currently a very labor intensive project, even in platforms like Facebook or G+.
# AngeloGladding well the next group of guys i'm going to import into my graph will be my soccer team.. zero indieweb, zero twitter, some facebook, primarily email and some text messages.. /everything/ should be searchable and filterable from one interface.. so is the plan
# AngeloGladding i'd be interested in you showing me how that works at the next HWC Chris
# ChrisAldrich KevinMarks: what do you mean by "publishing following"?
# ChrisAldrich Angelo: just remind me and I'll give you an example.
# KevinMarks A public, mf2 marked up list of whom you follow
# KevinMarks You can do that with woodwind and tags
# KevinMarks (the group thing)
# ChrisAldrich thank, I suspected but wanted to confirm.
# ChrisAldrich How are you using tags within Woodwind? That sounds like I'm missing something fun in woodwind...
# ChrisAldrich I've been thinking a lot of how to do such a modern "blogroll", but one that makes it easier to consume content from my network, regardless of what platform they choose to publish to.
# AngeloGladding what is woodwind
# Loqi Woodwind is a minimalist open source indie reader by https://kylewm.com/photo.jpgKyle Mahan https://indieweb.org/Woodwind
# AngeloGladding is rel=followee a thing?
# ChrisAldrich I've also been heavily disappointed that WordPress never had a built-in/integrated reader that was more flexible. Woodwind has changed things a bit, but it's still not exactly what I want.
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# ChrisAldrich though I can see adding some microformats for following-related use cases could be interesting/useful
# ChrisAldrich having a sub-vocabulary for subscriptions would be nice as a separate (or supplementary) thing from real life relationships
# AngeloGladding its definitely already a thing in the real world
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# KartikPrabhu what is following?
# Loqi follow is a common button in silo UIs (like Twitter) that adds updates from that profile (typically a person) to the stream shown in an integrated reader, and sometimes creates a follow post either in the follower's stream ("… followed …" or "… is following …") thus visible to their followers, and/or in the notifications of the user being followed ("… followed you") https://indieweb.org/following
# ChrisAldrich Facebook/G+ allows me to create groups with any names I choose; G+ also used to allow sharing their circles too, but quit at some point.
# KartikPrabhu again sounds like a feature for /reader
# ChrisAldrich I have sub-categories (often overlapping) of friends from every city I've ever lived in, groups for industries/work, elementary school friends, high school friends, college friends
# ChrisAldrich being able to see what various groups are up to with a single click has always been interesting/useful to me.
# AngeloGladding i'm trying to implement that concept through tags
# AngeloGladding which i've abstracted out as a platform-level filter
# ChrisAldrich voxpelli: Twitter allows this kind of sub-category as well with their concept of lists and following lists
# AngeloGladding hard to describe but yeah i definitely think its an important concept Chris
# KartikPrabhu someone should document this on /reader .... say me again
# KartikPrabhu and with that I'm going to stop harping on /reader
# ChrisAldrich KartikPrabhu: /reader is certainly an important part of it, but the social network portion is also a piece
# AngeloGladding Kartik I send team e-mails out to the same people
# KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich: yes. I'm saying the "social network" portion is a /reader feature
# KartikPrabhu there really is no need to conflate following and friends and all that with having your own websote
# KartikPrabhu website*\
# AngeloGladding bear++ for the crawler
# KartikPrabhu AngeloGladding: /writer would be /micrpub
# ChrisAldrich To me, the social network is a bigger and harder concept to map out, and then once that's done, it makes it easier to allow a reader to access that data. Voxpelli's idea of different pages and lists seems robust and doable.
# ChrisAldrich WordPress' old blogroll functionality also had the ability to do XFN an create hierarchies.
# AngeloGladding bear do you check for representative h-cards?
# KartikPrabhu too much /plumbing
# AngeloGladding cool, more like an indiearchive
# AngeloGladding KartikPrabhu I'm actually pretty intimidated by all of the protocols at play currently.. call me old school but a personal crawler and some good ol POSH can go a long way..
# KartikPrabhu AngeloGladding: I am intimidated by all those words about crawler and PUSH
# AngeloGladding what is posh
# Loqi POSH is Plain Old Semantic HTML - see http://microformats.org/wiki/posh https://indieweb.org/POSH
# KartikPrabhu I guess this why #indieweb-dev was created
# ChrisAldrich KartikPrabhu: I don't think we're that deep just yet; and don't be too intimidated, I find that continued exposure over time makes things far less daunting. (Said another way, fake it until you make it.)
# KartikPrabhu sure. but all this talk about /plumbing without any actual UI or use-case to actually demostrate it is very confusing
# AngeloGladding i've read the page
# AngeloGladding what is plumbing
# Loqi Plumbing in the context of the IndieWeb, refers to all the underlying code, backend setup, protocols, formats that is all merely there to support the design and user experience of a site, the actual user visible and interactive parts https://indieweb.org/plumbing
# KartikPrabhu I mean all this talk about XFN and all that stuff that goes into the "code" of the website and how to parse it.
# KartikPrabhu what's the actual use of it? what;s the UI flow? what's the use for the end-user of the website?
# AngeloGladding to reraise from earlier if you've got a repr h-card on your site it trivializes my UI flow
# ChrisAldrich Because I use my site as a commonplace book to some extent, the end-user I'm often aiming to please most is ME. The fact that it's open to the rest of the public is a fringe benefit.
# KartikPrabhu AngeloGladding: yes it might, but why do you require me to do that?
# AngeloGladding well let me go a step further..
# KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich: sure that is fine. But that does not mean that someone has to conform to your requirements
# AngeloGladding https://angelo.lahacker.net/people/wYC3d3/Chris-Aldrich is my personal page for Chris
# AngeloGladding will eventually aggregate and present nicely his contact info which will allow me a one-click to mail, tweet, text, etc..
# AngeloGladding so his having a repr aids my UI
# AngeloGladding that's for me
# ChrisAldrich I'm not saying anyone has to. That's what's great about indieweb.
# KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich: yes exactly
# KartikPrabhu AngeloGladding: right but on one has to aid *your* personal UI
# AngeloGladding that page will rel=me back to http://boffosocko.com
# ChrisAldrich That's a bizarre pull Loqi!
# KartikPrabhu which is why I don't get all this talk about XFN and all that; what is I don't care about XFn and stuff... what happens to your UI
# AngeloGladding if a related page on boffosocko.com (e.g. /following) links back to that page than a de facto web of trust is created
# AngeloGladding w/o an additional protocol..
# AngeloGladding using plain old HTML links
# AngeloGladding i'm sure i'm missing something
# KartikPrabhu what is web of trust?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web of trust" yet. Would you like to create it?
# ChrisAldrich It sounds to me like Angelo is trying to build an online rolodex of his social network to improve his personal communication. Allowing his friends to contribute their own data via h-card data makes things a bit more valuable, but he'll still probably want to supplement it with additional data.
# ChrisAldrich I remember Plaxo had a set up to allow users to create various versions of contact information and levels of trust by which to share that data.
# ChrisAldrich I personally never allowed Plaxo.com to overwrite their internal data with my own personal data stores as mine was more often more thorough than what people put up themselves.
# AngeloGladding yeah that characterizes the situation pretty accurately
# ChrisAldrich This may be an issue you run into Angelo, or at least think about while you build.
# AngeloGladding in fact it came up earlier
# AngeloGladding i expect a repr h-card to simplify my UI for now
# AngeloGladding if it gets a name its a normal contact
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# AngeloGladding if it gets a url its an indiewebsite
# AngeloGladding eventually i'll have to be able to merge the two
# AngeloGladding a bridge i'll cross shortly
# AngeloGladding but i definitely want to help raise the bar for indiewebsites in terms of identity representation in the form of repr h-cards at least
# AngeloGladding i'm going to go add the irc_people and gather some stats
# ChrisAldrich You might also look at how MS outlook and Google Contacts allow cross-syncing (or not) to various platforms.
# ChrisAldrich there are some interesting social plugins for Outlook that import silo data from some networks.
# AngeloGladding i'm reminded of the MP3 ID3 tag auto-fillers of yesteryear
# AngeloGladding i'd have meticulously metadata'd all of my music and then one misconfig on an auto-filler and the whole archive was trashed
# ChrisAldrich Rapportive was also a plugin for Gmail that did some interesting work like this too Angelo.
# AngeloGladding yeah so many people/orgs have tried to nail contact lists
# AngeloGladding the indieweb has the foundational principles right in my opinion
# ChrisAldrich amen
# ChrisAldrich but then, someone still has to build the larger open infrastructure to make it fruitful...
# ChrisAldrich so, thanks for volunteering! ;)
# AngeloGladding i really like what you said earlier about inferring from the graph what is and isn't a) being used and b) working
# AngeloGladding i'm going to spend a few minutes wrapping up and hit the hay
# ChrisAldrich me too... we can continue on next week at HWC if you like.
# AngeloGladding definitely.. look forward to it
# ChrisAldrich KartikPrabhu: thanks for keeping us on the straight and narrow. I'll try to scribble up some thoughts for /following /reader and /blogroll after building a few things this week.
# Loqi A nicknames cache is a way indieweb sites store information about people to improve the user experience of the site owner referring, mention, and/or linking to those people https://indieweb.org/nicknames-cache
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# KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich: yes. documentation is as much part of moving the indewb forward as brainstorming
# KartikPrabhu so that others can understand why/how something was come upon/decided
# ChrisAldrich Could it be said that documentation is the highest indieweb virtue?
# KartikPrabhu I know that is what helped me the most
# KartikPrabhu i would ask questions here and people point me to the wiki which had pretty good documentation of things.
# KartikPrabhu If I was still confused people would answer the questions and then document them
# ChrisAldrich thanks! Goodnight all!
# KartikPrabhu night
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# sknebel Twitter "quality filter": https://blog.twitter.com/2016/new-ways-to-control-your-experience-on-twitter
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@yanntheret Dîtes-moi, y a-t-il des adeptes de l'#IndieWeb / #HomebrewWebsiteClub dans le coin ? #Lyon #SaintEtienne https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/766603653088210944)
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@DimitrisTzouris Site Deaths, wonderful #indieweb side-project. Reminded me of all the frog photos I lost. Can I add it, @kevinmarks? https://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/766616393655652352)
# @DimitrisTzouris SiteDeaths. Wonderful #indieweb side-project. Reminded me of all the yfrog photos I lost. Can I add it, @kevinmarks? https://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/766616633410523136)
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petermolnar .blog applications are now accepted (for a rather large fee): https://get.blog/
# petermolnar minimum 4 characters :/
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# cmal see for example here: https://nl.movim.eu/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/2183ee2e-4e48-4b74-a89f-52b81f408e29
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@charles_consult Site deaths are when sites go offline, taking content, permalinks with them... https://indieweb.org/site-deaths #webdevelopment #business ht @msgbi (twitter.com/_/status/766639942281883649)
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# cmal okay, I'm moving to PostgreSQL for real this time: http://www.infoworld.com/article/3109213/open-source-tools/open-source-uproar-as-mariadb-goes-commercial.html (where SQL needs to be anyway)
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# petermolnar cmal SQLite?
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# petermolnar sqlite plays really bad with PHP-FPM, due to lock competition, so I'm only going to recommend it applications that can handle it well
# petermolnar by the way, that mariadb licence looks similar to nginx plus to me
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# petermolnar not mariadb, maxscale only
# Loqi Caddy is an HTTP/2 web server, built for designers, bloggers and developers, with a simple configuration and automatic TLS https://indieweb.org/Caddy
# petermolnar I'm interested in the reasoning, rascul
# petermolnar I always wanted to move my code into https://openresty.org/en/
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# petermolnar is it related to Urbit?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "urbit" yet. Would you like to create it?
# petermolnar good
# petermolnar oh, no, thanks. Been there, worked with that Google monster which used Java for the same purpose, I ran away.
# petermolnar I know, but the compiles into another high level language is a red flag for me
# petermolnar it sure is interesting, but it's not for me
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# sknebel aaronpk: nipkow? (early mechanical TV inventor) harmonic analyzer? (http://hackaday.com/2014/11/18/harmonic-analyzer-mechanical-fourier-computer/)
# aswath I am encountering diff when I delegate my openid to indieauth. Is this a correct place to bring it up? Thx
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aaronpk feel free to describe the problem. i'll be back in a bit. also see: https://indieweb.org/OpenID for setup instructions
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# aswath I have set it up as per that page. It works fine when I test it on indieauth.com. But when I use it in my site (that accepts only OpenID) via delegation, it fails.
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# aswath The error I get is: Yadis discovery failed on http://openid.enthinnai.com/aswath, status: 6, error message: GET failed on https://openid.indieauth.com/openid/user/aswath/yadisxrds
# aswath My domain I am using is openid.enthinnai.com/aswath
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# aswath I looked at your page. There you use openid.indieauth.com/openid. I tries that as well. Getting the same error.
# aswath The problem could be my OpenID client, since I have problems with AOL as well. But verisignlabs works fine.
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# aswath I have tried that as well. As a user I still get the error "No OpenID is found in that URL."
# aswath Unfortunately I can not get the error recorded in the log b/c the developer is not available now and I am not licensed to access that :-)
# cmal a very interesting point about EOMA68 (free/libre micro-computers built in PCMCIA cards) https://blogs.fsfe.org/pboddie/?p=1314
# aaronpk i also just realized the example on our /OpenID page was wrong, need to change openid.server to https://openid.indieauth.com/openid
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# aswath Tried suppressing OpenID2 stuff. I am concluding that the problem is with my client. It is not picking from "HTML", but relying solely on yardis.
# aswath The error my client is reporting is Yardis discovery failed
# aswath I will ask the developer to pursue this. Thanks for your help.
# aswath I have a question re indieauth.com itself. You are providing SMS verification. I suspect you incur expense on this. So do you have usage guidlines?
# aswath I am asking to see whether I should restrict my users from using this option
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# aswath agreed. thanks for your help and feedback
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# KartikPrabhu oh I have it too. what is that?
# aaronpk it means you have an entry on /irc-people!
# KartikPrabhu oh! dope
# gkbrk "Ah, that brings back memories. Back in the DOS days, when you ran "format", it replied something like "Ready to format disk X. Press any key to continue:" (with X being the drive letter). And it really meant press any key to continue. Escape would continue. Control-C would continue. Even control-alt-delete would continue. The only way to not continue was to turn power off."
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rascul or was waiting for activity, dunno if i had any in here since i updated /irc-people
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# aaronpk gkbrk: kind of, the core IRC/Slack bot is open source: https://github.com/aaronpk/TikTokBot
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@aaronjorbin I’m attending IndieWebCamp NYC https://daily.jorb.in/2016/08/19/im-attending-indiewebcamp-nyc/ (twitter.com/_/status/766720051621662720)
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# aaronpk you can always try it out here too! http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20160819194743275
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# KevinMarks Or on unmung.com
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
# Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club SF 2016-08-24" by Kevin Marks on 2016-08-19 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-sf-2016-08-24
# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-19.html
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# snarfed i'd fix the title of my indienews post https://news.indieweb.org/en/snarfed.org/2016-08-17_18435 , but not sure i can
# KevinMarks Gillmor Gang
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# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-19.html
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# KevinMarks That reminds me, I owe you a pr for bridgy
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[shaners] Would anyone like to partner up with me on https://h-card-as-a-service.herokuapp.com ?
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-08-19.html (twitter.com/_/status/766745309737132032)
# KevinMarks Oh, I thought it matched the logo
# gkbrk this is pretty cool https://indieweb.org/wiki/api.php?format=json&action=query&list=recentchanges
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@kevinmarks @1uigi @verge microformats are fine, and openid is a compatibility layer in indieauth. The chapel of rest is http://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/766773370914430976)
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