#indieweb 2016-09-05

2016-09-05 UTC
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rrix Yeah
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rrix The differentiation between since-invited and since-joined seems obnoxious; i believe the default for new rooms is since-invited these days
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tantek btw re: private posts, I'd say a good starting point is FB's "Public", "Friends", "Only Me", "More Options" dropdown that they put on every post (with the little lock)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Welcome http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/ to the #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/welcome-to-the-indieweb
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tantek orly
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KevinMarks Hm
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KevinMarks Indiewebify.me isn't recognising the rel-me back links
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KevinMarks But indieweb.org is
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tantek from what silo(s)?
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tantek via aaronpk: USB life expectancy? Why not MySQL life expectancy? http://www.flashbay.com/blog/usb-life-expectancy
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aaronpk oh gosh
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aaronpk http://t.co/agsxcOcLry -> http://www.LifeWithAlacrity.com
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aaronpk i wonder if indiewebify.me is comparing the domain case sensitive
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[kevinmarks] Oh, tricky
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[kevinmarks] My last 2 weeks have been about reviving old sites and making them static
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[kevinmarks] For Christopher and Dan
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miklb [kevinmarks] did you use Hugo?
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[kevinmarks] I did for Christopher
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[kevinmarks] For Dan it's wordpress plus spiderpig
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[kevinmarks] As they are inactive sites
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[kevinmarks] Christopher's has a spiderpig mirror too
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miklb interesting. So more of an archival site?
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[kevinmarks] http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/previous
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KevinMarks Dan's revived one is http://citmedia.org/blog/
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KevinMarks I thought I was going to have to get it out of archive.org, but I managed to resuscitate the wordpress site, and then spiderpig it
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KevinMarks So they're backed up to github
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KevinMarks https://github.com/dangillmorweb
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KevinMarks Though I didn't relativise all of them
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KevinMarks Citmedia.org had an impressive number of posts pages
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KevinMarks 133 pages of posts
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miklb that link just did a couple of redirects and wound up at the blog.
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KevinMarks Yes, there was a bigger homepage before, the they went to just blog
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KevinMarks I could have made this the root, but any external links point at /blog
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KevinMarks http://citmedia.org/blog/page/133/
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KevinMarks Hah http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/01/05/still-looking-for-that-aha-moment-on-opml/
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GWG Okay, I just took over the sending of pingbacks. Later I may take over the receiving of them.
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tantek GWG++ congrats! that's a pretty big deal!
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Loqi gwg has 181 karma (167 in this channel)
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gRegorLove KevinMarks, aaronpk: The indiewebify.me twitter rel-me check not working is actually a problem in the rel-me lib: https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/47
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KevinMarks Interesting. Any ideas on github?
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gRegorLove That chat link there has more, but that's the only gh issue I know of.
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cweiske bear, which command line tools do you have that use indieauth?
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cweiske bear, https://indieweb.news/ SSL cert expired
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cweiske btw, oauth1 supports an callback parameter value "oob" (out of band) especially for the non-webapp use case
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cweiske because of the non-availability of micropub cli tools I was forced to use the wordpress command line interface wpcli.phar to build my private-instagram-posts-into-wordpress importer :/
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petermolnar cweiske sounds like a problem to solve ;) ( the micropub cli tools )
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cweiske petermolnar, I'm working on one now
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cweiske ah. kylewm's xmpp bot uses the same copy&paste-the-code idea we discussed yesterday; http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2016-09-05%20micropub%20oob.png
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voxpelli cweiske: I use the same for my Editorial.app extension
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GWG Okay, now my new code receives webmentions. Doesn't do much with them.
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/772834741225529344
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@kevinmarks “With databases, you’re just fucked. Database access pervades most code that needs to touch a database at all.” https://eev.ee/blog/2016/08/22/testing-for-people-who-hate-testing/ (twitter.com/_/status/772834741225529344)
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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Zegnat Good morning tantek !
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tantek Zegnat, are you coming to IWC Brighton?
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Zegnat I am
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tantek I need to post my RSVP!
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GWG I intend to watch it. Is someone streaming?
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tantek GWG we should! Perhaps ask adactio? Not sure who else is co-organizing
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Zegnat Depending on the WiFi, I plan to spam IRC again ;)
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GWG I would love to watch.
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tantek aaronpk: did we lose the "next indiewebcamp!" bright header at the top of the home page / wiki?
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tantek Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 18 karma (16 in this channel)
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aaronpk I'll bring cameras for streaming
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tantek I left one with adactio last time I was there
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tantek the one that aaronpk gave me 😂
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tantek (deliberately, so he could hook up HWC Brighton)
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tantek aaronpk was the "next indiewebcamp" header a special case?
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aaronpk it was part of the old wiki theme
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aaronpk s/part of/hacked into
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tantek ah. I noticed it missing when I went to indieweb.org so I could RSVP to the next indiewebcamp
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tantek aaronpk, this good enough to capture it? https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/36
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aaronpk yep thanks
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tantek is on a gh issue roll this morning
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tantek lol Tito fails with "Your order timed out." w/o JS
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tantek false negative, when I click restart order it gives me a ticket receipt
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tantek too funny
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tantek step 1: register on tito
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tantek step 2: add yourself to https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton#Participating
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Zegnet Oh my. Did it work :o
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tantek step 3: indie rsvp to https://adactio.com/journal/10950 and POSSE RSVP to https://www.facebook.com/events/855814224523191/
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Save the dates for Indie Web Camp Brighton 2016
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tantek ok I think I have RSVPd in all the places :P
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Zegnat Thank you Loqi
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Zegnat aaronpk, Loqi definitely does not pick up on nick changes.
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dkm is spending entirely too much time getting a couchDB blog indiefied
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dkm does anyone know if https://checkmention.appspot.com caches results/hosts? I'm trying to test an implementation, but it seems to be using an old webmention endpoint for my site
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dkm i.e. I've changed the webmention endpoint in the Location header of my page, but checkmention.appspot.com is still using the old one
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dkm alternatively, if any of you all want to mention/reply to https://hazyblue.me/posts/2016-09-05-welcome-to-the-indieweb, I'm trying to a) check if the comment vs. mention filter works, and b) work on how comments/mentions are displayed
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Loqi [Darren Maczka] Welcome to the IndieWeb
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aaronpk dkm: try https://webmention.rocks
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aaronpk you can get it to send you a reply
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dkm aaronpk, thanks, giving it a try
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KevinMarks1 gah, I am being attacked by float madness
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cweiske hands KevinMarks an "intval()" call
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KevinMarks1 I don't know what changed, but suddenly the floated images in the post summaries are running south of the sidebar in http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/
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tantek clear usually makes floats go south
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KevinMarks1 hm
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KevinMarks1 so the sidebar clearing is pushing the others down?
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tantek possibly. depends on document order / tree
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks1: the problem seems to be that your sidebar is float and the images are float but not the summary and all that
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KevinMarks1 but if I don't clear the 2 in the sidebar then they don't stack vertically
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KartikPrabhu float is very troublesome in implementing a grid layout
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cweiske flex ftw
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KevinMarks1 maybe I should flex the sidebar and keep the floats for the posts
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KartikPrabhu yes. I would try using flex for both the sidebar and the <div> container for the articles and float the images
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KevinMarks1 I was trying to keep faith with the tufte CSS
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KevinMarks1 but it is already a bit problematic for this
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KevinMarks1 I coudl have sworn this was working last night, but apparently not
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KevinMarks1 float--
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Loqi float has -2 karma
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aaronpk flex++
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Loqi flex has 1 karma
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KartikPrabhu grid++ when it arrives
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Loqi grid has 1 karma
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: webmention.rocks, well, rocks
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KevinMarks1 grid seems as confusing as float, TBH
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Zegnat KevinMarks1, there is always display:table;
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KevinMarks1 so is the RH column an <aside> or a <nav>
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KartikPrabhu i would say <aside>
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KevinMarks1 flexing it works for full width; now I need ot think about the narrow option (where I had expanding links before)
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tantek !tell tbrb are HWC Edinburgh still happening weekly on Tuesdays? Haven't seen much discussion on IRC or photos - just making sure: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Weekly (and if not, please update frequency there!)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell Jeena is monthly still the plan for HWC Göteborg? Or can you update (perhaps with restart date)? https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Gothenborg
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell voxpelli I wasn't sure what to update HWC Malmö to - left it as Monthly. Should it be moved to Getting Started or Need Restarting? https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Malmo
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat I think Jeena recently got back from his vacation and was planning to start it up again.
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voxpelli tantek: needs restarting, we're not doing anything with it at the moment :/
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Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 3 minutes ago: I wasn't sure what to update HWC Malmö to - left it as Monthly. Should it be moved to Getting Started or Need Restarting? https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Malmo
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KevinMarks1 hm, I can't toggle a <details> open with css
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tantek frankly the whole details / summary thing was insufficiently prototyped / incubated
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tantek hmm - did Loqi stop showing tweet mentions of IndieWebCamp ?
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tantek or or from superfeedr for that matter. or is Loqi just ignoring @-replies? (I don't think so because I think I've seen some from KevinMarks )
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Zegnat !tell adactio any ideas for the Friday night pre-IWC? https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton#Friday_23rd
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell ChrisAldrich,aaronpk what do you think of setting up http://2016.indieweb.org/LA for IWC LA? for ticketing, indie RSVP etc.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I need to plan for LA
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tantek GWG did you see https://twitter.com/georgebrock/status/770105177311481857 ?
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@georgebrock @t I missed the camp, but would be excited about a local homebrew Web site club (and could help out with a place to meet, if that's helpful) (twitter.com/_/status/770105177311481857)
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GWG Now I did.
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tantek I did @-reply him and @-mention you :)
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GWG I need to reach out to him
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KevinMarks1 we need a formal way to do tabs and toggle instead of the checkbox/radio button tricks
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KevinMarks1 details/summary is an attempt at toggle that misses the tabs case
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tantek KevinMarks: I went down this road of attempting to style abstract semantic elements with different UI styles in earlier versions of CSS3-UI and gave up because it just didn't capture enough, and was a mismatch for how HTML input/UI elements were designed / behave.
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KevinMarks1 now that every framework has tabs and concertinas, is there enough art to converge?
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KevinMarks1 anyway, http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/ now uses flexbox and the magic of flex-direction: column-reverse; to fold the sidebar up
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KevinMarks1 in theory this is what we'd use Web components
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks1 I don't see the relation with webcomponents which is HTML markup and layout
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KevinMarks1 I meant for tabs and toggles - sorry, mixing 2 ideas
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KartikPrabhu well if you are using JS which web components require you could do the same with classes.
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KartikPrabhu i.e. <my-web-component> might as well be <div class="my-web-component">