#indieweb 2016-09-23

2016-09-23 UTC
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aaronpk Aw man I was hoping brid.gy or silo.pub supported the new Twitter rules where photos don't count against your character limit
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GWG Hi, aaronpk
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aaronpk ? so sleepy
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GWG Sleep aaronpk
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-09-23.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on As of 9/13/16 I’m beginning to own all of my reading data into & from @GoodReads ? #IndieWeb by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-09-22 http://boffosocko.com/2016/09/17/as-of-91316-im-beginning-to-own-all-of-my-reading-data-into-from-goodreads-%f0%9f%93%9a-indieweb/#comment-32167
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Distributed Verification 2016-09-22" http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html
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@kevinmarks What if we could verify people on the web, but in a distributed way? I made a browser extension http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/779215979301642240)
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Loqi [indieweb] "What if we could verify people on the web, but in a distributed way? I made a browser extension http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-23 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/what-if-we-could-verify-people-on-the-web-but
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@kevinmarks Distributed verification mostly works on @bradfitz's http://bradfitz.com http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/779218729745854464/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/779218729745854464)
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@kevinmarks Distributed verification works for @ev and @leolaporte on Twitter http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/779220083973382144/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/779220083973382144)
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@HeNeArXn @jkphl I'm here already, more people will arrive during the day. Ideas for a good dinner+beer spot tonight? https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton%23Schedule (twitter.com/_/status/779231093979508736)
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@kevinmarks @DrLucyRogers @andysc well, we have webmention, indieauth and micropub since then - see http://indieweb.org for details (twitter.com/_/status/779256135375130625)
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Zegnat Looks like I am going to need to revive Twitter for IRC again if I want to get in touch with people.
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sknebel Zegnat: I'll look at IRC every now and then, but maybe (I only noticed twitter because of Loqi ;))
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Zegnat jkphl is there already, and updated the wiki on my Friday subheading, but he is pingable over Twitter...
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Zegnat just used the crappy free airport WiFi to recode his webmention endpoint
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Zegnat I should be getting mentions to email now, which shows on my phone. So if people want to get in touch, WebMention works too.
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Zegnat It is really only Twitter I do not use. Haha.
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Loqi awesome
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Loqi definitely
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Zegnat sknebel: I will write here when I get to Brighton. Will write to you personally too.
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sknebel Zegnat: ACK, see you soon
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GWG I am hoping that I can remote into Brighton effectively
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Zegnat I will try and live-note everything here again
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Zegnat Time for boarding *waves*
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cweiske Zegnat, i'd be grateful for live notes
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cweiske where will they be available?
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GWG Usually in chat
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Zegnat When I say here, I mean here, cweiske ? I filled this channel mostly by myself during IWC Düsseldorf.
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cweiske ok. I apparently wasn't in here when at that days.
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Zegnat Phone off for flight. Brb
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@jkphl ½ of @tollwerk enjoying an unusual pre-@indiewebcamp #Brighton beachfront break /w @iwontsignuphere @HeNeArXn https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/779288577221992449/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/779288577221992449)
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Loqi [indieweb] "shpub - micropub client for the shell - Christian Weiske" on 2016-09-23 http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/shpub.htm
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@jkphl Pre-@indiewebcamp hanging out w/ Isi @iwontsignuphere @HeNeArXn. Anyone else in Brighton yet an fancy hooking up? https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/779315479534006274/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/779315479534006274)
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@OldTownRA Found on Twitter: #BTODAY http://twitter.com/jkphl/status/779315479534006274 - Pre-indiewebcamp hanging out w/ Isi iwontsignuphere HeNeArXn.… https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/779315479534006274/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/779316027884728321)
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@nueww Viel Spaß beim #IndieWebCamp Brighton! @tollwerk #NUEWW (twitter.com/_/status/779319420686446592)
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Zegnat Mobile data kicked in. Hello Brighton!
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sknebel Hi
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWordPress – WordCamp Frankfurt" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2016-09-23 http://notizblog.org/2016/09/23/indiewordpress-wordcamp-frankfurt/
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWordPress – WordCamp Frankfurt" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2016-09-23 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/notizblog/~3/oHHTREKDvjE/
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[kevinmarks] Hi Zegnat - would you use noterlive.com to live note? Or is not having a twitter account a problem there?
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aaronpk gotta get noterlive.com working with micropub!
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KevinMarks That was something I tried before and never completed. I bet it would be easier now.
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KevinMarks I could switch to using silo.pub for the twitter integration maybe
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aaronpk ooh yeah
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GWG Good day
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GWG I may give up on getting advice from Chris Aldrich and just buy the tickets.
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GWG People are coming to LA, right?
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cweiske noterlive.com could use micropub update "add-to-content" commands to append to one post again and again
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Zegnat KevinMarks: I havent used noterlive, I was just going to have IRC open
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KevinMarks With the hashtag indieweb, it ends up in here too
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@jkphl @adactio Good warm-up for tomorrow I bet. Looking forward to meeting you soon! +@rem #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/779370698066329605/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/779370698066329605)
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rMdes what is HWC ?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/hwc
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rMdes what is POSSE ?
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Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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Zegnat KevinMarks, if I wanted to use noterlive I would have to resurrect my Twitter before tomorrow. So that's probably not going to happen before tomorrow
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@sebastiangreger Freshly arrived in Brighton and a breathtaking sunset at the seafront. Tomorrow morning: @indiewebcamp kick-off - e… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/779384814294167552 (twitter.com/_/status/779384814294167552)
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KartikPrabhu since when does twitter have the /i/web type URLs?
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aaronpk Probly part of the new counting rules
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KartikPrabhu but these two URLs lead to the same tweet: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/779384814294167552 and https://twitter.com/sebastiangreger/status/779384814294167552 . Is there a prticular one that is canonical?
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@sebastiangreger Freshly arrived in Brighton and a breathtaking sunset at the seafront. Tomorrow morning: @indiewebcamp kick-off - e… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/779384814294167552 (twitter.com/_/status/779384814294167552)
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@t Two very productive days of @W3C @SocialWebWG meetings done! Next: LIS✈️LGW?BTN for @IndieWebCamp Brighton! (ttk.me t4jT1) (twitter.com/_/status/779391375666057217)
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@jkphl @t Waiting for you while having a pint ... or two :) +@w3c @SocialWebWG @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/779392474892599296)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-09-23.html
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 2pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-09-23.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-09-23.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/779428889420369920/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/779428889420369920)
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Zegnat Who is GWG?
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Loqi David Shanske is an Indieweb enthusiast from New York, working on Indieweb WordPress plugin development https://indiewebcamp.com/User:David.shanske.com
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GWG Why do you ask?
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Zegnat Were in a pub in Brighton discussing WordPress
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Zegnat But sknebel and I only know you as GWG. Wanted your actual name. So I asked Loqi.
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GWG Any reason? Just curious?
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Zegnat Talking about scaling of webmentions. "What if all WordPress sites start using it."
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GWG We aren't ready for that on either side.
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KartikPrabhu why are we not ready?
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GWG WordPress Core isn't actively looking at Webmentions.
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GWG WordPress plugins are not developed enough for novice users
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GWG Other implementors are not prepared for a flood of possible spam.
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gRegorLove It's async, right? And hooks into Akismet by default?
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gRegorLove If those are both true, I don't see how there's more exposure to spam than WP already has with comments.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: means other non-WP implementations are now exposed to WP spam
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KartikPrabhu unless they have Vouch or other mechanisms
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GWG It is not asynchronous
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gRegorLove Ouch
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GWG Gregorlove, my experimental implementation is, but not fully
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GWG It just delays source verification by making it a wp cron job that executes within two minutes of receipt
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GWG And the Semantic Linkbacks enhancements happen after Akismet fires.
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GWG Pfefferle has been active this week though.
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sgreger KartikPrabhu, aaronpk: just saw this. i believe the "i/web/status" URL is related to these changes: http://support.gnip.com/doing-more-with-140.html)
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sgreger ...see the example payloads for "activity streams format" of tweets >140 chars; there is such URL in the json example
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sgreger but i believe that this is some kind of auxiliary URL; assumingly the canonical URL is still the one with the username?
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KartikPrabhu sgreger: maybe. I don't see the need for something like this but oh well Twitter can do whatever it wants
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sgreger yeh, no value from an open web perspective. it is catering to some features of how twitter handles tweets in excess of 140 chars apparently. could the reason for it showing up in the IRC channel be in the way the bot's parser works?
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KartikPrabhu yeah possibly, Loqi might be using some Twitter API
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@gRegorLove @rikmende Can you let me know if you still experience this problem and if so, which domain: https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/48 (twitter.com/_/status/779453936340119552)
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Zegnat GWG: thanks for the quick rundown on the WP side. I don’t know how well all of us got it at the bar, but much appreciated. If it comes up again this weekend we have answers :)
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gRegorLove Thinking of adding labels to indiewebify-me github issues to sort out bug reports, things awaiting feedback, can't duplicate, etc. Any recommended practices for label naming and usage?
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Zegnat gRegorLove: I haven’t really seen any standard. I do like using the colours to group labels, like this: https://robinpowered.com/blog/best-practice-system-for-organizing-and-tagging-github-issues/
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gRegorLove Agreed
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gRegorLove Ah, github has some reasonable defaults. I'll start with that to keep it simple.