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# 04:14 GWG If I want to be up at 10AM Brighton time, I should go to bed.
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# 05:18 GWG [kevinmarks]: I have the fiber installers at 9AM local too.
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# 06:48 calumryan Giving Brighton a miss alas - only just about adapted to stay up in San Francisco time
# 06:48 Loqi calumryan: KevinMarks left you a message 2 days, 5 hours ago: ring 300 at 560 Sutter
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# 08:30 voxpelli Zegnat: later I'll try to, but in the meanwhile I'll be idling here in my pocket like always so ping me and I'll answer ;)
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# 08:58 Zegnat Live stream seems to have a few seconds delay. So if we write something here that hasn’t happened yet, give it a second ;)
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# 09:11 Zegnat Tantek asks the hard questions: why are we here?
# 09:11 Zegnat The “highly disruptive” idea of: you should have your own website
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# 09:12 Zegnat Pitching a tent in somebody else’s (walled) garden – Jeremy on using silos
# 09:13 Zegnat The IndieWeb thing is not about the details. It is about having your own website
# 09:13 Zegnat IndieWebCamp is where we physically get together in the same space and help one-another get their own websites
# 09:14 Zegnat Jeremy: Complete chaos that somehow works - that is today.
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# 09:15 Zegnat Starting demos of what people are already doing with Jeremy and adactio.com
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# 09:17 Zegnat Taking inspiration from existing silos, which brought Jeremy to add things like sparklines
# 09:17 Zegnat Now showing the Twitter replies that have been pulled into adactio.com
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# 09:19 Jeena The new logo is so pritty, great t-shirt aaronpk!
# 09:19 GWG Should be sleeping, watching instead.
# 09:20 Zegnat Talking about note taking, always good to remind people
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# 09:20 Jeena I wonder if a hand mike would be something to consider in the long run
# 09:20 Zegnat aaronpk talks about getting his inspiration from adactio.com, its a true circle
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# 09:20 Jeena as long as hi is by the computer it's good
# 09:21 Jeena when he goes to the big screen I almost can't understan with full volume on my laptop
# 09:22 sknebel aaronpk: last thing added to my site: documented on aaronparecki.com/tag/p3k
# 09:22 Loqi [indieweb] "Good morning from Brighton IndieWebCamp! #indieweb" on 2016-09-24
# 09:22 sknebel datetime parsing in exif. painful, read up on it there
# 09:23 Zegnat I’ll ask aaronpk if we can fix sound a bit when he is done talking
# 09:24 Jeena 3 people watching now on youtube, for that we complain a lot ;)
# 09:25 Zegnat Switchd from .eu to .net for philosophical reasons
# 09:25 Zegnat lost his love and believe in WordPress. So it is now semi-wordpress, but it works
# 09:26 Zegnat Wants to make his site a statically generated thing with minimal back-end to accept things like webmentions
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# 09:26 Zegnat Thinking about photo posting, with EXIF et al
# 09:27 Zegnat most recently added HTTPS, an working on service workers
# 09:28 Jeena awesome pictures petermolnar! *subscribing*
# 09:30 sknebel demos browser extension that verifies rel=me links on sites
# 09:30 sknebel e.g. site links to twitter, twitter links back to site -> browser extension by KevinMarks verifies that both links exist
# 09:31 sknebel Kevin's extension queries indiewebify.me-API to check
# 09:31 sknebel Zegnat works on an in-browser version that does the requests locally
# 09:32 sknebel inserting nice-looking checkmarks into random websites is difficult
# 09:35 Zegnat tantek beat Twitter to having next and previous arrows to go between notes
# 09:36 Zegnat tantek does photo posts as well. Shows the photos at full width, which means that even text on photographed post-it notes can be read
# 09:36 Zegnat Which does not work well on silos that use fancy displays around pictures
# 09:36 Jeena yeah if you're near the table one can hear you good
# 09:37 petermolnar I'm using a rather simple few lines of CSS (only) to size the images to X% of the viewport height
# 09:38 Zegnat (fancybox would be a canonical example of “fancy photo popups”)
# 09:38 Zegnat tantek showing how he documents his own CMS on IndieWeb.org
# 09:38 Loqi Falcon is a personal publishing (tweeting, blogging, realtime syndicating) web application. There is an instance of Falcon running at tantek.com and serving/syndicating notes, articles, and occasionally other types of posts https://indieweb.org/Falcon
# 09:39 Zegnat Jeena++ for having a public issue tracker for his sit!
# 09:39 Loqi jeena has 40 karma (33 in this channel)
# 09:40 sknebel hm, maybe I should make my issue tracker public as well
# 09:40 sknebel not prepared to share the code yet, but I could add an empty repo
# 09:40 Zegnat IndieWebified his site 2 years ago, for synication
# 09:40 Zegnat This summer he has been reworking the site for this IWC!
# 09:40 aaronpk sknebel yeah that's what I do. An empty github repo that I only use for issues
# 09:42 Zegnat sgreger is looking for a way to move the old feed design aside, as that might not be the best for the site-user (visitor)
# 09:42 Zegnat He has a fed on the side that will adapt to what you have clicked in the main feed
# 09:42 Zegnat Webmention and twitter-reply pulling is already in
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# 09:43 Zegnat Syndication tweets can be modified before actually publishing the post, WordPress plugin
# 09:45 sknebel interested to work on his bookmark publishing flow
# 09:45 Zegnat Shows small screenshots of websites he has bookmarked next to the bookmark items, but does not want to tell us how he did it ;)
# 09:47 Zegnat transmat.io has a little post editor, that was all build a few years ago
# 09:48 Zegnat Worked fantastic up until a few months ago when Chrome on Mobile broke it
# 09:48 Zegnat The reason he isn’t tweeting as much is because he does not want to use the Twitter client, and Chrome Mobile will not let him use transmat anymore
# 09:49 Zegnat Most Twitter work seems to have broken now, with several Twitter changes (API, page rendering) breaking older code
# 09:50 Zegnat Showing the settings part of transmat.io, which shows OAuth connections for Micropub things and other IndieWeb services
# 09:50 Zegnat Currently linked to (at least) Quill, OwnYourGram, Monocle, Reader (reader.kylewm.com)
# 09:50 Zegnat Also feeling like doing some work on bookmarking
# 09:51 Zegnat glennjones used to run a Mac App that was constantly ripping his own website as static files
# 09:52 Zegnat Read later is discussed a little, because publishing reading flows is an interesting concept on top of bookmarking
# 09:53 Webrocker jeremy (or everyone not near to the presenter's machine) is hard to hear
# 09:53 Zegnat New version of the website is being developed at: v2.mey.vn
# 09:54 aaronpk Sadly I only have one mic here so you'll only be able to hear people near the table
# 09:54 Zegnat Another obsssion: bringing the excitement of working on his own stuff to other people
# 09:55 Webrocker maybe jeremy (as the one to ask and engage the presenters currently) could switch sides?
# 09:55 Zegnat how does it work when we have to support each other
# 09:55 Zegnat It is (again) not about the technical aspect, but also the social side of how to get people to help eachother
# 09:56 Loqi zegnat has 20 karma (18 in this channel)
# 09:56 Zegnat Starting based on user needs, instead of focusing on “what language will you use”
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# 09:57 Zegnat (Sebastian Lasse asked about language and framework)
# 09:57 Zegnat (I will never get used to writing that domain, I think)
# 09:58 Zegnat He built in a couple of indieweb features for pulling things like comments from Twitter/Facebook/G+
# 09:58 Zegnat Not the base he wants for publishing things, it is too complicated for him (for his use)
# 09:59 Zegnat So he started a set of libraries called apparat (machine in german)
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# 10:02 Zegnat SCheduling, and tea&coffee on the same time. And there was much rejoicing
# 10:02 Zegnat Just talking logistics of the rooms at the venue
# 10:04 Zegnat Moving out to the kitchen area for scheduling, notes will resume later
# 10:11 Zegnat Possible discussion: going static. How to do it while still serving dynamic IndieWeb things
# 10:14 Zegnat Nitty gritty webmention thing on security and how to learn from email
# 10:18 Zegnat Wondering how to do a session on photos as it came up a lot during demos
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# 10:19 Zegnat Jeremy also would like a session about presentation other than streams, inspired by sgreger
# 10:21 Zegnat Me raising the possibility of a microformats intro
# 10:25 Zegnat Session on permissions. They are wondering how to form it as a session
# 10:26 Zegnat Also thoughts about how to make the tech accessible to the nontechnical
# 10:28 Zegnat What are we missing in our current toolset compared to silos
# 10:29 Zegnat What we are missing should also include weaning from silos
# 10:31 Zegnat How to do (private) messaging in the IndieWeb, sknebel want to be able to send private webmentions
# 10:33 Zegnat Probably combining securing micropub with private and access control for webmention, as well as the private ones
# 10:34 Zegnat People are also interested in talking service workers.
# 10:34 Zegnat Jeremy makes an oooohoo sound to try and get it into the schedule
# 10:35 Zegnat What use cases are there for service workers?
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# 10:44 [robertbrook] reporting from "Going static"
# 10:44 Zegnat Is anyone interesting in the microformats intro session to be put here in chat?
# 10:44 [robertbrook] What are the reasons people have for going static?
# 10:45 sknebel remote people: interested in private webmentions/direct messaging
# 10:45 [robertbrook] Why go static: longevity (plain text, not HTML!) ...
# 10:46 [robertbrook] ... desire for both a database and flat files. Database does database-y things.
# 10:46 [robertbrook] Flat files simpler to address, edit.
# 10:46 Zegnat Everyone else, go right ahead, sknebel, [robertbrook]
# 10:47 Zegnat I will probably sort out the logs during the week and get them wikified. Anything IRC will end up on the wiki :)
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# 10:48 [robertbrook] (Hopefully typing here is still useful, not spammy!)
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# 11:29 Zegnat Note: granary does not seem to pickup authorship from rel=" author"
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# 12:34 aaronpk GWG: i started it in the main room. might need to go to youtube.com/indiewebcamp to find it
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# 12:35 GWG I have an hour or so before a man comes and starts playing with my wiring. So this is Service Workers Use Cases?
# 12:36 GWG So, room seems to be nothing at the moment. Oh well
# 12:39 GWG As I said...waiting for a service worker of my own to work on my wiring, so I'm just sitting here anyway
# 12:40 GWG I see an unknown male standing. An uknown female sitting...wait....other male walking out door...
# 12:40 GWG Person with microformats t-shirt entering.
# 12:40 GWG Another male and female entering.
# 12:40 GWG Male positioning himself in front of screen.
# 12:41 GWG Second male sitting in front of screen.
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# 12:42 GWG Male running fingers through hair.
# 12:42 GWG I'm going to pause my logging until something more interesting happens
# 12:42 Zegnat The session is moved, so you will be watchting post types, rather than service workers
# 12:43 GWG I only get to see one because there is only one stream.
# 12:43 GWG I would have found Webmentions also interesting.
# 12:43 Zegnat The webmentions one was going to get slightly more technical, and because of that attracted a smaller group
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# 12:46 Zegnat I think the microphone is wireless, so w might move it around
# 12:46 GWG Zegnat: Please do. I know we have this issue every time. I keep telling aaronpk to turn up the volume
# 12:47 aaronpk this is a different mic this time, bluetooth conference mic. I can't find any more settings to turn up on it.
# 12:48 GWG I hear tantek, who I recognize the voice of.
# 12:48 aaronpk unfortunately the USB condenser mic I have doesn't work with OSX anymore. it was all just massive static noise.
# 12:49 Zegnat tantek starting the session, further away from the mic.
# 12:49 GWG But I'm familiar with his voice. Whereas I wouldn't be with everyone else.
# 12:49 Zegnat I said “sound check” before, and am sitting above what I thought ws the mic
# 12:49 Zegnat Tantek would be hard to hear, other side of the room from the mic
# 12:50 GWG tantek thinks he did photos next...but he forgot articles...
# 12:51 GWG "I had an early blog from 2002-2008. It was all handwritten HTML. I wanted to do that again."
# 12:51 GWG So, whatever volume/location he is, he's clear.
# 12:51 Zegnat I am suprirsed you hear him … must be that the Jabra conference mic has been isconnected. Because it is sitting in front of me away from tantek
# 12:51 GWG aaronpk said he was using the conference mic
# 12:51 Zegnat ping aaronpk: any way to tell if the Jabra mic is still linked?
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# 12:57 Zegnat Discussing jams, as a post type, and how it is different from scrobbling songs
# 12:57 GWG I remember the day the jam was invented.
# 12:58 GWG I look forward to the Indieweb Bookclub
# 12:58 GWG (Who is talking right now, out of curiosity?)
# 12:59 Zegnat I didn’t catch the name of the other before. Jonathan (?)
# 13:01 Zegnat Showing of an example of an exercise post, a run by aaronpk.
# 13:01 GWG It is blurry, but I see it is there
# 13:05 Zegnat tantek is trying to make sense of the API test control of Nike
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# 13:06 Zegnat Nice thing of Nike is that the API will actually let you pull out information about your runs
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# 13:17 Zegnat ping rhiaro: do you have filtered feeds? E.g. if I only want to see the items that you have eaten/drank (consumed), is there a URL for that?
# 13:27 Zegnat Note: woodwind does not find tantek’s second feed for news articles only
# 13:28 Zegnat Really taking woodwind for a spin here, as one of the most easily demoable microformat consumers
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# 13:28 Zegnat applies to the post kinds discussion: example of a feed of article-posts only on tantek.com
# 13:30 KevinMarks_ The android YouTube app is refusing to replay the recorded streams
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# 13:36 aaronpk oops it may have run out of batteries. will check for next session.
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# 15:06 Zegnat Note: why does getting started no longer list getting a personal domain name first?
# 15:07 Zegnat Now we link to indiewebify.me first, which is good, but maybe should not be our first focus?
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# 15:07 Zegnat (from the keeping the lights on session: how to spread the indieweb amongst friends and families, and how would you keep the services afloat.)
# 15:10 sknebel Zegnat: wshould check history when that was changed, sounds like a big thing
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# 15:22 GWG I've thought about doing weather. I track it at my residence.
# 15:23 Loqi [Calum Ryan] Good morning San Francisco
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# 15:42 sknebel Zegnat: maybe a bit, I expect most of it will be spec presentation
# 15:46 Zegnat Ah, alright, if aaronpk is just talking spec that would be a relatively uneventful one.
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# 15:53 Zegnat Note: POSSE Replies to Twitter wiki page seems to include a regex for extracting tweet ID. Does this still work with the new weird URL syntax?
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# 15:54 Zegnat I.e. the syntax we have seen in here with /web/ (or what was it?) in there?
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# 16:24 aaronpk I even archived two of the sessions I was in onto the wiki already!
# 16:30 GWG Anyone have some examples of inline likes?
# 16:30 GWG The wiki has Barnaby only referenced.
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