#indieweb 2016-09-25

2016-09-25 UTC
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@DanylStrype IndieWeb encourages POSSE (Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere): https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/779898782683201536)
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@rosaemerald Sad to be missing @indiewebcamp as I really enjoyed it the last 2 years. Feeling way too ill :( (twitter.com/_/status/779956759935025152)
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@adactio @rosaemerald @indiewebcamp So sorry to hear that, Rosa. Take care of yourself and get well soon. (twitter.com/_/status/779960075897176064)
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@web_DEVE__Lop #webdevelopment rosaemerald indiewebcamp So sorry to hear that, Rosa. Take care of yourself and get well soon. — Jeremy Keith (adactio) S… (twitter.com/_/status/779961160737193984)
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@jkphl .@indiewebcamp Brighton day 2 @68MiddleSt booting up https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/779961925706932224/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/779961925706932224)
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@rosaemerald @adactio @indiewebcamp thanks Jeremy! I am so bored and have run out of TV but should probably rest. Look forward to next year! (twitter.com/_/status/779967656862617600)
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petermolnar_ good morning, Brighton, day 2
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petermolnar_ I'm still not certain what to do today
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@marcthiele Wishing everybody at #indiewebcamp in Brighton a great day. Wish I could be there. But family… https://www.instagram.com/p/BKxeQZCAfgr/ (twitter.com/_/status/779968022639419392)
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petermolnar_ but at least I have a "radical" idea that my photo posts will not contain anything apart form the photo files themselves - tags, description, title, etc, all of them should be in the image file
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petermolnar_ hm... maybe except the publication date... I'm not certain where to put that
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sknebel petermolnar_: I wouldn't be surprised if IPTC or XMP have a published field
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Guest6123 Jeremy kicks us off with a little talk
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Zegnat totally forgot to document what people want to do today
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Zegnat I’ll probably do document all the demoing again
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aaronpk It's on the livestream so it would be awesome if any of the remote people want to watch it and document it on the wiki!
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petermolnar IPTC has create date, but in theory, that is for the creation date, and if there's EXIF, it's in tandem with it
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tantek hmm I should put a place to capture those
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petermolnar now we can argue that since this will be a post, so the create date is the post publish date
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petermolnar and therefore it's fine
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[alpower] for those interested in ssl and cloudflare https://blog.cloudflare.com/secure-and-fast-github-pages-with-cloudflare/ was a good guide
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aaronpk cloudflare ssl is kind of amazing cause you don't have to do anything
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[ignaciodenuevo] Hi!
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tantek page created: https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/Hack_Day_Intro
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tantek If you were on the livestream, could you help out by adding what people said they would work on to: https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/Hack_Day_Intro
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tantek if you're not sure who is speaking, just create a new section with "???" for the name, and I'm sure someone here in-person can help figure out who it was
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KevinMarks_ Is cloud flare ssl good enough to get a service worker running?
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aaronpk what does "good enough" mean?
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[kevinmarks] I mean will the browser accept it - there isn't a redirect that blocks things got on?
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Zegnat I am not a fan of cloudflare, I do a lot of browsing on public WiFi where I will use VPN. And cloudflare just gives me recaptchas on every. single. website. I try to visit.
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: oh, no it's regular SSL but they do sometimes throw up a captcha if they think you're a bot
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KevinMarks_ So if they did that on the service worker url, that would be bad
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tantek what is cloudflare
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Loqi CloudFlare is a service to, in their own words, "supercharge your website" https://indieweb.org/CloudFlare
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tantek Zegnat - when you have time (i.e. maybe after today), consider splitting this section https://indieweb.org/CloudFlare#Possible_issues_and_disadvantages into "Issues" (problems they can / may fix), and "Criticism" (deliberate bad behaviors they are doing) sections. I would but I have no experience with them to tell the difference.
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@t #IndieWebCamp Brighton hack day plans * created date stretch: * updated date + Webmention updates * Webmention deletes (ttk.me t4jV1) (twitter.com/_/status/779985518767448065)
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sgreger success: POSSE from Wordpress to LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?topic=6185750612253175808
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tantek sgreger++ congrats1!!1!!
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Loqi sgreger has 1 karma
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Zegnat petermolnar probably has some stuff to add about CloudFlare too
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/9/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] #indiewebcamp hack day setback number 1: Ruby's DataMapper doesn't play nice with MySQL 5.7 *womp womp*
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tantek what is DataMapper?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DataMapper" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar nah, I just generally dislike having those rather invisible companies that are suddenly there everywhere, like CloudFlare
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Zegnat Still a valid point that
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aaronpk adactio: https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/15a8af11dda07087248ab2a6f7999be2
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adactio aaronpk: Thank you!
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Loqi adactio: Zegnat left you a message 2 weeks, 5 days ago: any ideas for the Friday night pre-IWC? https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton#Friday_23rd
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[robertbrook] enjoying the :musical_note: at 68 Middle Street
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kii what you do here? anyone active?
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aaronpk woohoo! just got bookmark posts showing!
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Loqi yay!
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@jkphl Hacking away @indiewebcamp day 2 while listening to Siouxsie and the Banshees thx to @adactio's playlist \o/ Haven'… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/779993361654681600 (twitter.com/_/status/779993361654681600)
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kii hello Loqi aaronpk
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kii anyone from usa/europe?
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@web_DEVE__Lop #webdevelopment Hacking away indiewebcamp day 2 while listening to Siouxsie and the Banshees thx to adactio's playlist \o/ Haven't heard t… (twitter.com/_/status/779993736524824576)
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[robertbrook] aaronpk bookmarklet posts working great here - thanks!
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Zegnat kii: several of use are currently together in Brighton for IndieWebCamp
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kii great enjoy Zegnat are you there too?
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kii what you do there?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "#indiewebcamp hack number one complete: bookmark-of posts are showing up now!" https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/10/p3k
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tantek hey kii - do you have a personal website?
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kii not yet tantek
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kii how it will help?
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tantek kii - you have come to the right place if you want one!
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kii explain me; i prefer safe; encrypted stuffs
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tantek kii re: how will it help? see: https://indieweb.org/why
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kii what do you mean by indie?
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tantek kii see homepage for that: https://indieweb.org/
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kii i am from india; but we are called indian/s not indie!!
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tantek kii - "indie" is short for "independent" in English
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kii it will take time to load; i already clicked it; i am on 2g connection; tantek you can explain me if you have more time to spend with me
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kii independent web!!
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kii what is meaning of it?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meaning of it" yet. Would you like to create it?
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kii is web dependant on something?
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tantek kii yes!
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tantek kii, in short, The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the "corporate web", where your content is yours, you are better connected, and you are in control.
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kii which things? tantek
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kii give /explain me with one simple example
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tantek meaning of it is indieweb.org
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Loqi ok
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kii let us say if i am using gmail; am i part of corporate web?
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kii how indieweb help me to get rid of it(gmail) then?
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tantek kii - simple example, many of us (myself included) prefer to post on our own websites instead of or before posting to Twitter.
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tantek what is a simple example
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "simple example" yet. Would you like to create it?
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M-hotzeplotz lazyweb help for one of today's goals: WordPress to Hugo exporter: https://github.com/SchumacherFM/wordpress-to-hugo-exporter
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tantek A simple example is many of us prefer to post on our own websites instead of or before posting to Twitter. See [[own your data]] for more.
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Loqi ok
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tantek kii - indieweb work on private messaging is still work in progress. you can use Thunderbird instead of gmail though.
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M-hotzeplotz installed plugin, hit 'Export to Hugo', got zip file with ~7MB of posts and assets in <1second
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M-hotzeplotz now on to adding it to my Hugo repo and compiling!
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kii thunderbird is encrypted? tantek
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kii does it use gpg?
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tantek you can yes
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kii i have some keywords in my mind; but i dont know use/importance/defination of them
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tantek but here we focus more on indieweb than indie-email
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kii [16:16] <@Loqi> It looks like we don't have a page for "simple example" yet. Would you like to create it?
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kii yes it would be good
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tantek what is a simple example?
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Loqi simple example is many of us prefer to post on our own websites instead of or before posting to Twitter https://indieweb.org/simple_example
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kii if someone can create for new users
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tantek kii - there's a great indieweb setup at withknown.com for new users - you can set it up on mobile also
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Loqi [indieweb] "Getting closer and closer to what I wanted my @withknown theme to look like :) #indieweb" by Rick Mendes on 2016-09-25 https://www.rmendes.net/2016/09/25/getting-closer-and-closer-to-what-i-wanted-my-withknown
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@RikMende Getting closer and closer to what I wanted my @withknown theme to look like :) #indieweb (https://t.co/7sB73quyMd) (twitter.com/_/status/779996514634633216)
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kii i think all of you are web developers hence using technologies like php, drupal,ajaz, json, html, ruby/python/perl/c/c++/java(not sure about these)
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kii javascript,
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kii correct?
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M-hotzeplotz WordPress archive moved to Hugo (just not pushed live yet): 58 imported posts compiled in 140ms. WOW :)
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M-hotzeplotz (i cheated - it was 148ms actually :))
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Zegnat kii: you listed almost every possible programming language. So. Yes ;)
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sgreger i wonder are there any peculiarities with the webmentions-plugin on wordpress when publishing a post of custom post type; regular posts send webmentions as desired, but i can't get it to work with my custom post type
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kii is personal website a free?
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kii including hosting?
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kii indieweb provides free hosting?
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kii or server?
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tantek indieweb provides a community
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tantek kii - you may ask "what is" for more information about a subject
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tantek e.g.
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tantek what is hosting?
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Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/hosting
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aaronpk sknebel: did you have any ideas on a name for that parameter indicating the group of resources the token is valid for?
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tantek aaronpk you were going to check CORS for ideas
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aaronpk HTTP calls it "realm" https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7235#section-2.2 but I've never been a fan of that term
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aaronpk that's essentially exactly the description of it though
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kii tumbler is indieweb?
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sknebel aaronpk: to me "scope" makes intuitive sense, but I bet that's overloaded with a different meaning in other specs, which would be bad
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kii under hood
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aaronpk sknebel: yeah, "scope" has specific meaning in OAuth 2.0 and since this is using other OAuth 2.0 terms we shouldn't use that
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aaronpk hm, CORS doesn't seem to have much in common with this actually
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sknebel aaronpk: "token-realm" or so? to make it clear that it is about the token, and avoid confusion with the similar but differently-specced HTTP concept?
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aaronpk wow the whole 2.2 section describes exactly what we're doing with this
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aaronpk "These realms allow the protected
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aaronpk resources on a server to be partitioned into a set of protection
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aaronpk spaces, each with its own authentication scheme and/or authorization
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aaronpk database."
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aaronpk "The protection space determines the domain over which credentials can
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aaronpk be automatically applied. If a prior request has been authorized,
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aaronpk the user agent MAY reuse the same credentials for all other requests
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aaronpk within that protection space for a period of time determined by the
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aaronpk authentication scheme"
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Zegnat kii: you could use Tumblr for a "IndieWeb" website, but very few services "are" it by default.
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Zegnat Known is one that is.
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Zegnat What is Known?
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/Known
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aaronpk that actually is the definition of what this token is for, so I think I'm going to use it directly
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Zegnat aaronpk: move implementation talk to -dev?
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aaronpk yeah good idea
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Zegnat kii: sorry for the tech talk that suddenly popped up there. Everyone is excited over here in Brighton ;)
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Zegnat The homepage at https://indieweb.org tries to communicate exactly what the IndieWeb is. It is not about where your website is (Tumblr? BLogger? WordPress?) but about how people have their own website and identity on the web
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kii is indieweb covered under any certification/government?
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kii how it will confirm that " Your content is yours"
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kii what is POSSE?
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Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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kii thank god you are back Loqi
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kii are your comminity active 24/7 as mentioned in wiki; i was reading your wiki; it is nice explaination there.
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kii do you talk off topic discussion also in pm?
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kii what is " permashortlinks"?
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Loqi A permashortlink (abbreviated PSL) is a URL using a short-domain that expands to a permalink; on the IndieWeb, PSLs use personal short domains to expand to the same person's personal domain, thus minimizing the fragility often associated with shortlinks https://indieweb.org/permashortlinks
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kii you replied before i put a question? Loqi
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kii i mean at same time; how it is posible?
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kii what is indie?
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Loqi indie is short for “independent” and “independence” and is often used as a prefix to describe independent things or things designed for independents, such as indie rock, games, films, and of course, IndieWebCamp itself https://indieweb.org/indie
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kii you are bot
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GWG Morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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kii morning
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GWG Did I see a WordPress webmention question and a POSSE attempt?
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kii Morning
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kii Loqi: yawns onetime only/
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GWG sgreger, were you the one with WordPress comments?
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aaronpk kii: we do have an off-topic channel #indiechat
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GWG How long till demos? Is it still on schedule?
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aaronpk yep most of us got back from lunch
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aaronpk we're planning on demos at 4:30pm (2.25 hours from now)
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GWG I want to tune in for that if it is tuneable.
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aaronpk it wil be!
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[ignaciodenuevo] Who said that would help with a small introduction to microformats?
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[ignaciodenuevo] As my HTTPS is waiting until the DNS are changed I want to start with microformats if someone can help :slightly_smiling_face:
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[ignaciodenuevo] Mabye tantek or aaronpk?
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KevinMarks_ Did you look at indiewebify.me, ignacio?
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KevinMarks_ That checks your site for microformats and suggests what to add
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[ignaciodenuevo] Thanks, I’m having problems due to my DNS propagation mabye
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[ignaciodenuevo] Let’s wait more :disappointed:
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petermolnar http.head responses from flickr and github: http://pastebin.com/c8CJZVWv
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petermolnar I don't think head was supposed to be like this
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[alpower] ignaciodenuevo I completed http://indiewebify.me/ today and it was really straightforward
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@jkphl Sadly, @indiewebcamp came to an end w/o demos for the @tollwerk crew. It was a blast, however, thx for having us! ?… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/780059023634817028 (twitter.com/_/status/780059023634817028)
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aaronpk ??? 15 MINUTES UNTIL DEMOS ???
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Private Webmention" https://indieweb.org/Private-Webmention (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/14/)
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@aaronpk My #indiewebcamp day 2 project: wrote up a Webmention extension for handling private posts! https://indieweb.org/Private-Webmention https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/780064395657293825/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/780064395657293825)
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@OldTownRA Found on Twitter: #BTODAY http://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/780064395657293825 - My #indiewebcamp day 2 project: wrote up a Webmention extensi… https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/780064395657293825/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/780064682732318721)
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sgreger PSA: disrutions on thameslink today, plenty of departures cancelled http://www.thameslinkrailway.com/your-journey/tl-test/BTN-ECR/departures/
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aaronpk we're giving people 5 more minutes
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aaronpk preparing for demos!
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aaronpk livestream is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W70wd56i0Bg
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Zegnat Livstream is up
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sknebel ping GWG
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Zegnat KevinMarks_, are you with us?
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Zegnat Demoes are starting, adactio is waiting for volunteers
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Zegnat Marin is up
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Zegnat Martin has been upgrading Drupal
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Zegnat And pulling his bookmarks from Pinboard
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Zegnat There were some problems with th convert between Drupal versions, like image alignments
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Zegnat Had problem with the OAuth of Twitter
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Zegnat So that hasn’t been linked up to his site
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Zegnat glennjones is up next
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Zegnat glennjones was inspird by the service workers talk on day 1
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Zegnat breaking up HTML into segments and load that into ServWorker caching
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Zegnat Demoing the javascript of the service worker on screen
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Zegnat you can access caches directly from the page: window.caches
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Zegnat storing snippets as HTML in the cache, then fetch that with the onpage javascript
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Zegnat it means you can be much more efficient, and store a lot more than when caching full pages
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Zegnat matching window.caches against a created window.Request. So the page’s javascript is emulating a call by the browser to the cache.
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Zegnat service workers built the cache, but it is pulled out of the cache by usual javascript
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sknebel (in the page, not in the serviceworker. saves on postMessage etc)
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Zegnat Jeremy & Glenn are live spitballing about how it works now
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Zegnat glennjones would like to create a script that you can just point at the DOM elements that are the “main content” and that way it could generate this entire caching system
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Zegnat up next: petermolnar
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Zegnat https://petermolnar.net
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Zegnat no web related stuff this time aroun
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GWG So, that is what petermolnar looks like.
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Zegnat built an reader into wordpress that coul do RSS and microformat
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Zegnat but shoul never have build anything like that inside of wordpress
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Zegnat so he has been writing his own reader in python
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Zegnat the reader parses hfeed/hentry or RSS entries
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Zegnat when there are entries it is sent by email
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sknebel and webmentioned
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Zegnat extract all the URLs in the feed to webmention
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sknebel -> static sites could use this on their feed to webmention others
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sknebel -> consume own feed, send mentions for it
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Zegnat !tell petermolnar you should probably write up your own demo ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat I can’t actually steno type, so that intro went waaay too fast
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petermolnar I'll make it stable first :P
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Zegnat next up: sknebel
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Zegnat www.svenknebel.de
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Zegnat he built a micropub endpoint so he can use Quill to post to his website
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Zegnat live posting through Quill
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Zegnat And there is a new post!
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Zegnat YAML front-matter is used, but the YAML parser cannot parse its own output
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petermolnar sknebel if you find a good frontmatter lib for python that can read and write, please tell me
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petermolnar I'm using ruamel for writing
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sknebel next: Zegnat/ Martijn
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@peakwinter @sikkdays @bitandbang @ArturoVM there has to be some kind of posse + indieweb plugin for Jekyll, no? (twitter.com/_/status/780073583443861505)
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sknebel worked on blog site: licit.li
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sknebel has HTTPS, but very simple
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sknebel didn't listen to jeremy and build own backend
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sknebel build a library to story arbitrary things in flat-folder + sqlite
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sknebel http://vanderven.se/martijn/
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven h
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sknebel HTTPS was easy since he uses uberspace, who provide a simple letsencrypt wrapper
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sknebel creating config files for lets encrypt and then imports certs very easily
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sknebel petermolnar: I am using pyyaml
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sknebel also fixed representative h-card on http://vanderven.se/martijn/ and added linkedin
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven h
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petermolnar sknebel I read that pyyaml is practically dead; no maintenance and no yaml 1.2 support
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petermolnar but I could be wrong
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sknebel sebastiangreger.net is next
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Zegnat sgreger
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petermolnar but ruamel is not reading frontmatter yaml well either
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Zegnat note: my rep h-card was fixed in dusseldorf
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sknebel petermolnar: yeah, but it mostly worked.. until today ;)
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Zegnat sgreger made LinkedIn POSSEing
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Zegnat Needed OAuth2 for the API to run
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sknebel (and possibly Oauth device flow)
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Zegnat Updated his wordpress plugin for syndication
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Zegnat (should be a link in the notes for intro)
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Zegnat LinkedIn API would allow to post images, but he is not doing that
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Zegnat Even though it is implemented for Twitter
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Zegnat Extension can post to different twitter accounts, LinkedIn does not support this because he has no use for it at this point
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Zegnat The actual API is pretty easy and like Twitter’s, but the authentication hopping is hard
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sknebel also worked on bookmarking
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sknebel added highlighting for published posts in private views
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sknebel also wants highlight for already tagged
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sknebel tested wallabag
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sknebel what is wallabag
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Loqi Wallabag is a free-software tool for saving/bookmarking web pages, in the style of Instapaper and Pocket https://indieweb.org/wallabag
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sknebel needs securing: by default it is open to all users
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Zegnat blog.schiessle.org - has a blogpost on protecting on shad hosting
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Zegnat https://blog.schiessle.org/2016/04/16/installing-wallabag-2-on-a-shared-web-hosting-service/
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Zegnat Wallabag << https://blog.schiessle.org/2016/04/16/installing-wallabag-2-on-a-shared-web-hosting-service/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://blog.schiessle.org/2016/04/16/installing-wallabag-2-on-a-shared-web-hosting-service/" to the "See Also" section of /Wallabag
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sknebel only saves content of page, wants to integrate in bookmarking flow that it also adds it to wallabag, evaluate in few weeks
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sknebel working on u-bookmark-of webmentions, but didn't work with custom post types
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Zegnat custom post type does not send webmentions at all, for unknown reason
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Zegnat sebastian lasse is up nxt
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Zegnat sebastianlasse.de
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Loqi [indieweb] "Getting closer and closer to what I wanted my @withknown theme to look like :) #indieweb" by Rick Mendes on 2016-09-25 https://rmendes.net/2016/09/25/getting-closer-and-closer-to-what-i-wanted-my-withknown
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Zegnat sebastian is demoing indieauth and protocol handlers
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Zegnat ping: voxpelli, if you can watch the stream
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sknebel demos normal indieauth.com flow
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sknebel (also working on node.js "clone" of indieauth.com)
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Zegnat now using indieauth.com, but wants to run his own instead of aaronpk's ruby code
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sknebel after login in own site, othr sites can't know log in handled
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Zegnat possible new indieauth logo
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Zegnat (should ping him and get him to upload it on the wiki)
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Zegnat 1. signing in on his own site
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sknebel demo with browser with protocol handler, initial login is the same
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Zegnat 2. it will install a protocol handler, if possible
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Zegnat 3. different UI to inform the user how to install protocol handler
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Zegnat (hard to understand for users in chrome)
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sknebel registers web+indie links to be handled with own page
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Zegnat half implemented spec makes it hard to check if anything is set-up for a protocol
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sknebel check if protocol handler is installed is not possible in browsers
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sknebel opening protocol in iframe allows to trigger on the onLoad of the iframe
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sknebel can't access content, but the fact that the url-type was known
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Zegnat can’t emulate an event for not-installed
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voxpelli listens
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sknebel now on other site with indieauth
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Zegnat 4. going to a domain that would ask for indieauth
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Zegnat 5. no need to enter a domain, the protocol check is triggered and it already knows your domain
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Zegnat (demo possibly failing)
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Zegnat you can always see installed handler at chrome://settings/handlers
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Zegnat URL hacking live on stage
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sknebel now homepage shows confirmation prompt
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sknebel (own homepage)
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Zegnat The button, when indieauth protocol is detected, the button will send you to your own website where it will ask you if you want to login
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Zegnat Clicking YES in the interface will instantly sent you on to IndieAuth
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voxpelli Is this using indie-config or something else?
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Zegnat The InieAuth flow hasn’t been changed very much, except that domain is taken through indie protocol
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Zegnat just indie-web as protocol, I think
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Zegnat socialiteproviders.github.io
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aaronpk It's a custom protocol handler thingy
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Zegnat is shown on screen
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Zegnat alpower is talking
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sknebel looked into laravel, but decided in break to keep jekyll page
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Zegnat rebuiling everything on a completely new library turns out to be yakshaving
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sknebel went through indiewebify.me with alpower.com
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Zegnat Instead went through IndiewebifyMe for his site
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Zegnat was sniped
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sknebel added webmentions with voxpelli's herokuapp
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Zegnat voxpelli of course thanked for his heroku app
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Zegnat was sniped again
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Zegnat then he started looking what he could do for images
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Zegnat Looking at jeremy’s snippets of PHP for photos from Twitter et al
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Zegnat Saw Kirby had a webmention plugin now (yeey!)
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Zegnat So set-up a quick Kirby website
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Zegnat what is Kirby?
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Loqi Kirby is a filed-based CMS https://indieweb.org/Kirby
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Zegnat Now trying to convert Jeremy’s Flickr code into a Kirby plugin
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Zegnat Downloaded all his Instagram pictures to be able to backfeed those
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Zegnat next up adactio
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Zegnat wrote an ideas file
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sknebel lot of ideas, in the end
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Zegnat ideas file has been photographed now
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Zegnat 1. ping archive.org when linking to things
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[alpower] kirby webmentions plugin : http://getkirby-plugins.com/webmentions
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Zegnat When you check if a link is archivd on archive.org, it is! adactio pinged them to back it up
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Zegnat example is remysharp.com/2016/09/13/first-impressions-of-react
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Zegnat another thing on the list is a bookmark-of webmention
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Zegnat aaronpk bookmarked an article on adactio.com
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Zegnat Under the post, it now displays as a bookmark
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sknebel https://adactio.com/articles/9843
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Zegnat adactio’s code is still xfolkentry, next to h-entry/bookmark-orf
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Zegnat adactio made a new bookmarklet so he can prepopulate his bookmark making form with whatever he selects
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sknebel (other people, e.g. aaronpk, showed that off yesterday)
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[alpower] some of Jeremy's gists with snippets of code he uses on his site https://gist.github.com/adactio?page=2
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Zegnat tag pages were split between the links and journal feeds
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Zegnat now there are also tag pages that will combine both journal entries and links
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Zegnat there is no pagination on that
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Zegnat sparklines have been added to the tag pages
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Zegnat so you can see when a certain topic was actively talked about
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sknebel what is sparkline?
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Loqi A sparkline is a small, simple, data-dense graphic with typographic resolution that is shown inline and in-context with relevant text https://indieweb.org/sparkline
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Zegnat talking about PHP that creates his sparklines
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Zegnat adactio’s sparklines are embedded SVGs generated by a PHP function
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sknebel general todo: that wikipage needs code (KevinMarks_, adactio)
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Zegnat also offers RSS feeds per tag page
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Zegnat so you can now subscribe to tag feeds
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Zegnat aaronpk is up
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[alpower] info on using sparklines a la adactio http://kryogenix.org/days/2012/12/30/simple-svg-sparklines/
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Loqi Simple SVG sparklines
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Zegnat Updated his aaronpk.com/contact page
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Zegnat sparkline << http://kryogenix.org/days/2012/12/30/simple-svg-sparklines/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://kryogenix.org/days/2012/12/30/simple-svg-sparklines/" to the "See Also" section of /sparkline
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Loqi Simple SVG sparklines
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Zegnat thanks [alpower]
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Zegnat Now shows local time of where aaron is at
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Zegnat display bookmarks that he was already storing
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sknebel (from incoming webmentions)
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Zegnat even shows bookmarks from 2013
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Zegnat has been working on spec version of /Private-Webmention
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Zegnat s/of/on
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sknebel what is Private-Webmention
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Loqi private-webmention is a suggested protocol for combining microformats2, Webmention, and IndieAuth to convey private posts between two people or between groups of people https://indieweb.org/private-webmention
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Zegnat Would love for ALL OF US to read the spec and comment
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Zegnat After the spec ends, you just fallback into the usual webmention flow
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Zegnat hopefully a very minimal addition to do token exchange
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Zegnat spec is written interleaved what happens in order by both parties
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Zegnat two seperate guides have been included, simply “this is what you need to do” to be one of the parties
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Zegnat 3 steps for sending a private web mention
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Zegnat also 3 steps to receive (if I counted right)
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voxpelli loqi is linking wronly(?) this is correct link: https://indieweb.org/Private-Webmention
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voxpelli right aaronpk?
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Zegnat anrea is up now
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Zegnat *andrea
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Zegnat mey.vn
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aaronpk voxpelli: fixed it
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Zegnat voxpelli: seems right, Loqi. But there is a redirect now
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GWG Why does everyone keep mentioning their 'old' WordPress site?
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Zegnat aaronpk: you fixed Loqi?
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Zegnat Nice!
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Zegnat Andrea is using /hugo
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GWG I'm eagerly waiting someone to talk about their 'new' WordPress site.
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Zegnat only published on https://printer-bath-38758.netlify.com
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Zegnat he already pulled his older data into the new build
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Zegnat ServiceWorker is running, so clicking links to his posts will still display the post without an intrnet connection
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sknebel (or nice offline page if not cached)
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Zegnat next things to do: merge his actual front-presentd website with this new blog
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Zegnat next step is documented also on *lify.com/archives/wordpress-to-hugo
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sknebel have hugo generate serviceworker script
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Zegnat wordpress exporter might not always be the best way to go when moving to a new system (– peter molnar)
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Zegnat Quill almost works, he is onto only having to add the endpoint now, auth is found
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petermolnar that highly depends on the site size (nums of entries, media lib size, etc )
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GWG petermolnar: As usual, I stand alone.
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Zegnat ignacio is up
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Zegnat ignaciodenuevo.com
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Zegnat has been implementing tags for his website
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Zegnat running on jekyll
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Zegnat Erik is up next
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Zegnat Erik Erskine
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Zegnat erskine.uk
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Zegnat Did some serverworker stuff
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Zegnat he has done a lot of it “in theory” but never put it on his site
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Zegnat He started off with getting SSL running
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sknebel (required for Serviceworkers)
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jkphl GWG: Not completely. In fact, Jule and Isi are both running pretty new Worpress sites, but unfortunately we are at the airport already and miss the demos.
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Zegnat only way to get rid of service workers is through the devtools
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Zegnat so you will have to be careful with that
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GWG jkphl: Shame. I just want more WordPress users involved in the community.
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Zegnat add very short lifespans to the serviceworker
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Zegnat how long should someone treat a service worker as good for?
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Zegnat Especially during development
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sgreger GWG: i have my site running on wordpress and currently no intentions to change that
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Zegnat (max-age=60 is used by erik)
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GWG sgreger: I want to see the code you added today.
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Zegnat currently caching CSS files onInstall of the servworker
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Zegnat working on 2 sites, but both were locally on localhost, and the workers got really confused.
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sgreger GWG: I'll clean this up in the near future and write a blog post about it
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GWG sgreger: Drop me a line in chat when you do. I've been working in areas that overlap.
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Zegnat tantek isn’t really ready to demo, will be using aaronpk’s laptop to demo what is ready and deployed online
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sgreger GWG: sure!
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Zegnat sgreger: the new linkedin feature, is that already in your GitHub version of the plugin?
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Zegnat Because I will link to that
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sgreger zegnat: nope. that github version is far behind, because spaghetti code. will update that along with the blogpost
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Zegnat publishdate in the storage file is only storing the TIME part of DATETIME
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Zegnat http://tantek.com/2016/5.html and http://tantek.com/2016/5s.html are the storage files
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Zegnat now loads both storage files
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Zegnat which means he can update the other views, and e.g. pull tweet IDs from the second storage file
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GWG We're retiring to the pub now?
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Zegnat note: check if /Falcon links to storage files, then it is OK to link them for the DEMO page
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Zegnat If not: copy an example HTML piece (possibly ask tantek to add those) to the demo page
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KevinMarks_ sparkline << http://www.kevinmarks.com/svgsparklines.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.kevinmarks.com/svgsparklines.html" to the "See Also" section of /sparkline
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KevinMarks_ sparkline << http://www.kevinmarks.com/joyofsparks.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.kevinmarks.com/joyofsparks.html" to the "See Also" section of /sparkline
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Loqi The Joy of Sparks 2016-05-08
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@IgnaciodeNuevo Have been a really inspiring weekend. Seen so talent people. Thanks @adactio and @indiewebcamp for organising such an amazing event (twitter.com/_/status/780091090380685312)
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@IgnaciodeNuevo We are #indieweb https://twitter.com/IgnaciodeNuevo/status/780095057902837760/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/780095057902837760)
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GWG Another Indieweb Sunday
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@jimpick Final presentations from IndieWebCamp Brighton! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W70wd56i0Bg #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/780131038815064065)
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@vicen1974 @indiewebcamp fgh s'ha (twitter.com/_/status/780134758588133376)
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GWG Now we seem to be in the post-Indiewebcamp lull.
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@aaronpk OH "I wouldn't mind the Algorithm if I felt like I was in control of it" @adactio #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/780153778343284736)
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@jkphl Happily arrived back home in Germany. Thanks #indiewebcamp ppl for another splendid time in Brighton! See you soon again, somewhere! :) (twitter.com/_/status/780171848566902784)
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Zegnat GWG: there is no lull here, just some time off for food and drinks ;)
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tantek evening #indieweb
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GWG tantek: Can I pick your brain? You have a way of helping people put things in perspective. I'm only asking because I know how late it is there, and I can ask another day.
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tantek GWG, I will try. It is 00:45 here in Brighton so I may be a bit slow
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GWG I've been working on the same project since NYC2. A webmentions handler for WordPress that also takes over pingbacks. I'm close to the point that it is feature complete. And I was trying to use it as a proof of concept for integration into Core. I'm trying to decide the criteria for deciding it is ready for me to try to do that.
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tantek That's a very challenging question indeed
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tantek certainly selfdogfooding for a while is a good idea, and having people send you both webmentions and pingbacks
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GWG tantek: I'm almost ready to move from the existing pingback code in core and the Webmentions plugin to my own. I just am revisiting the display issue in a way I think would work for Core.