#indieweb 2016-10-01

2016-10-01 UTC
#
aaronpk hmm quoting tweets seems to not count against the limit either
#
tantek what about the auto-quoting/embedding behavior?
#
tantek e.g. if you link to a tweet, Twitter presents it as an embed, kind of like a quoted tweet
#
@ucfgeek @kevinmarks Any suggestions for an @indiewebcamp friendly Flickr replacement? I might be ready to roll my own finally! (twitter.com/_/status/782016636412792832)
#
tantek hmm been a while since I posted a jam
#
tantek Loqi, what was my last jam?
#
tantek half expected Loqi to say strawberry
#
aaronpk including a link to a tweet in a tweet does count against it. it only doesn't count against it when you use the UI to open the QT dialog
#
tantek I wonder if there's an API to that
#
aaronpk almost certainly
#
aaronpk "A URL at the end of Tweets generated from attaching photos, a video, GIF, poll, Quote Tweet, or DM deep link will also not count towards the character limit (URLs typed or pasted inside the Tweet will be counted towards the character limit as they do today)." https://dev.twitter.com/overview/api/upcoming-changes-to-tweets
#
aaronpk "The new attachment_url parameter on the POST statuses/update endpoint will enable valid link formats to be attached to a Tweet. They will not count against the character limit when this method is used."
KevinMarks joined the channel
#
tantek gRegorLove: re: watch / follow - apparently it's my fault, and yours for asking :P https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-04-29/line/1461960862911
#
Loqi [gRegorLove] What is watch?
#
tantek what is listen?
#
Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets etc.) that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/listen
#
KevinMarks Activity Streams initially tried to use "play" as the generic, as that covered audio, video and games
#
tantek that makes no sense to me as the level of "activity" is very different in all three
#
tantek I have no idea if "play" made it into AS2
#
tantek you'll have to check
#
KevinMarks Yes, it doesn't make sense in retrospect, but I remember arguing for it at the time to reduce verb proliferation
#
tantek the better way to reduce proliferation would have been to be more disciplined about documenting real world examples
#
tantek as it is, a bunch of pseudo-docs ended up on the AS mailing list
#
tantek and the wiki was pretty sadly thin
#
tantek because given email, the natural tendency is for people to faffa about on email
#
tantek instead of attempting to collaborate on wiki pages
#
KevinMarks Yes. More tanteking was needed at the face to face meetings
#
tantek wouldn't have helped
#
tantek since everyone there was so email-enamored
#
tantek also, there was like zero selfdogfooding
#
KevinMarks Or relied on Martin to write it down
#
tantek Martin did good work, tried to keep up with documenting it
#
KevinMarks now wants "to tantek" as an ask verb
#
KevinMarks He did, yes, but in spec form not evidence form
snarfed joined the channel
#
tantek what is watch?
#
Loqi A watch is a semi-passive type of post used to publish a video (typically movie, TV show, including video recordings) that you have watched https://indieweb.org/watch
#
tantek gRegorLove: feel free to expand ^^^!
userXYZ and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] As2 not ask
#
tantek watching something is not as passive as listening. you typically actively move your eyes while watching
#
tantek and playing a game is totally more active
begriffs, snarfed, plindner, wolftune, KevinMarks and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] It may have been an alternative to "consumed" as a verb
jcgregorio[m], M-hotzeplotz, rdesfo[m], M-nd, snarfed, AngeloGladding, cleverdevil, M-mxuribe, KevinMarks, M-rongladney, KevinMarks_, glennjones and Pierre-O joined the channel
#
@IgnaciodeNuevo @indiewebcamp being part of Indie Web Camp Brighton this year has been one of the most inspiring experiences I've ever had ?????? (twitter.com/_/status/782133014558044160)
KevinMarks and loicm joined the channel
#
Loqi zegnat should add photo of adactio’s idea list to /Demos
#
Loqi Countdown set by Zegnat on 2016-09-30 at 11:56pm CEST
#
Zegnat Yes, Loqi, thank you
glennjones and tvn joined the channel
#
@sl007 @sebastiangreger Great piece! Sven goes c-base today, we try to get rooms for potential NOV in BER #indiewebcamp. Maybe worth mentioning ;) (twitter.com/_/status/782195188773117952)
#
@sl007 (!) #indieweb https://twitter.com/ojour_de/status/782197952873766912 (twitter.com/_/status/782199394737283072)
#
@voxpelli @sl007 There’s an IndieWebCamp there then? Maybe! (twitter.com/_/status/782206386457509888)
#
@sl007 @voxpelli see https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/782207563240710144)
nikivi and loicm joined the channel
#
snarfed starts updating bridgy publish (and granary) to support new extended tweets: https://dev.twitter.com/overview/api/upcoming-changes-to-tweets
#
snarfed (already updated backfeed a bit ago)
tantek joined the channel
#
Zegnat remembers he should probably file an issue for granary when he is done wikifying Brighton
tantek joined the channel
#
snarfed confirmed, the auto_populate_reply_metadata query param to /statuses/update isn't yet in the reference docs (https://dev.twitter.com/rest/reference/post/statuses/update), but it does work
#
snarfed Zegnat: what's the bug?
#
Zegnat tantek and I were demoing hfeed-to-atom and granary did not pick-up on tantek being the author of the items on tantek.com
#
tantek I think my home page depends on rel=author support in the /authorship algorithm
#
snarfed aha. granary uses mf2util for those things, so you may want to file the bug there
#
Zegnat notes
#
Zegnat *noted
#
Zegnat 12 hours until Zegnat, did you file an /authership bug on mf2util yet?
#
Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2016-10-02 4:20am CEST (#5922)
#
Zegnat Only end-of-IWC demo left to write up is petermolnar’s. On which my notes are completely illegible. Time to watch the stream.
#
snarfed done, bridgy publish now supports new extended tweet char counting
#
Zegnat All the end-of-IWC Brighton demos have now been written-up on the wiki :D
#
Zegnat Time to move on to introductions I guess
#
aaronpk Zegnat++
#
Loqi zegnat has 23 karma (21 in this channel)
#
Zegnat I am tempted to caption the videos, but I should really prioritise other things, haha
#
Loqi awesome
chrisaldrich1 joined the channel
#
GWG Anyone have any exciting Indieweb plans for the day?
#
aaronpk yeah! i'm working on micropub.rocks
#
GWG aaronpk, great.
#
KevinMarks Thinking about how to apply this principle to spread indieweb, as it seems to be an answer to network effects https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.w0koqud51
#
GWG Because it does.
Pierre-O joined the channel
#
GWG I have been thinking about Indieauth as an authentication provider for the WordPress REST API infrastructure
#
GWG Of course, understanding Indieauth is probably a prerequisite for writing that.
#
@LukasRosenstock "Takeaways from IndieWebCamp Brighton 2016": http://sebastiangreger.net/2016/09/takeaways-indiewebcamp-brighton-2016/ Event summary from @sebastiangreger that outlines some #indieweb ideas. (twitter.com/_/status/782251995877011457)
snarfed joined the channel
#
snarfed GWG: wordpress-micropub implements indieauth, you should be able to copy its code pretty much unchanged
#
GWG snarfed: So does the Indieauth plugin. I'll figure it out. But I figured that having that would allow for a lot more options.
#
GWG snarfed: I still might see about a branch of Micropub at some point that uses the built-in infrastructure that wasn't available when the plugin was written. But I'm working on connecting other dots at the moment.
wolftune and KevinMarks1 joined the channel
#
KevinMarks1 gillmor gang time
#
GWG One of these days I will watch that show
#
Zegnat I can't hear the name of that show without thinking gilmore girls
#
GWG If KevinMarks guests on that, I will be surprised
#
Zegnat GWG, that would definitely an episode I would watch
#
KartikPrabhu looks like FB is peddling ads on my timeline as "suggested posts"
#
GWG I need to build enough tools to get out of there.
KevinMarks1 joined the channel
#
KevinMarks1 there is G3, the Gillmor Girls Gang
#
GWG Ah, a mashup
#
Zegnat Let me know whenever G3 happens, KevinMarks1 ;)
awolf joined the channel
#
KevinMarks1 http://www.ustream.tv/g3
#
Zegnat Distinct lack of Gillmore,but will give it a go
awolf joined the channel
#
GWG Zegnat: Does that make it Gilless girls?
#
Zegnat I guess so! I like all my boys and girls gill-free in any case
#
Kongaloosh Moved to a new city: anyone have pro-tips on starting a new meetup series?
#
GWG What city?
#
Kongaloosh GWG: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
#
Kongaloosh from what I can tell there's no groups here
#
Kongaloosh and the research groups seem 100% focused on, like, vision and AI
#
Kongaloosh no web people </3
awolf joined the channel
#
Kongaloosh I'm thinking of not doing weekly, but maybe twice monthly
#
aaronpk normally homebrew website clubs are every other week
#
GWG I have to get on NYC again.
#
Kongaloosh aaronpk: edi is totally doing it wrong then :P
#
aaronpk haha i didn't say you *can't* do it more often than that
#
Loqi aaronpk: lol
#
GWG If you want to get together every night, so much more the power to you
ChrisAldrich and emmak joined the channel
#
Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better
#
Loqi [indieweb] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
#
Loqi [indieweb] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
[kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] Those 3 again
#
KevinMarks Kongaloosh, I have a friend in Edmonton I can ask
#
Kongaloosh KevinMarks: you're the best!
awolf joined the channel
#
@IgnaciodeNuevo @tiagoameller @wecodesign haber tenido el placer de hablar con @supersole y asistir al IndieWebCamp Brighton siento que tengo super poderes (twitter.com/_/status/782300073342406657)
#
Kongaloosh I'm thinking of running one at startup edmonton since they seem to be the hub of the community
#
Kongaloosh but I just moved here, so I could be wrong.
#
GWG Kongaloosh: YEG is supposedly nice though.
#
GWG I hear it has the continent's largest mall.
#
Kongaloosh GWG: I don't know how I feel about it yet; it has a good AI lab though, soooooo...
#
GWG And the Canadian Finals Rodeo and Farmfair are coming up next month.
#
KevinMarks You're about to enter the "fuck its cold" season
#
GWG KevinMarks: I thought we were saying nice things about Edmonton.
#
Kongaloosh GWG++
#
Loqi gwg has 182 karma (168 in this channel)
#
Kongaloosh KevinMarks++
#
Loqi kevinmarks has 253 karma (199 in this channel)
#
GWG If you like transportation, which I do, there is the Alberta Aviation museum and the Alberta Railway Museum..
#
GWG The Telephone Historical Centre, Fort Edmonton Park...
#
GWG Hmm...now I want to visit Edmonton
#
Kongaloosh GWG: you know so many things
#
Kongaloosh how do you know all these things?
#
GWG I have an odd memory for facts. And I looked them up.
#
GWG My students comment on my obscure knowledge regularly.
awolf joined the channel
#
Kongaloosh GWG: I do like Fort Edmonton and the Aviation Museum
#
GWG It sounds like fun.
#
GWG On that note, we should probably switch to #indiechat or turn back to HWC, IWC, Indieweb, etc.
#
Kongaloosh Right-o
#
Kongaloosh KevinMarks: I made an indieweb-yeg channel by the way
snarfed, snarfed1, gRegorLove, wolftune, chrisaldrich1 and mlo joined the channel
#
mlo hello
#
KevinMarks Hi michi
#
mlo :)
#
KevinMarks Kongaloosh, mlo is michi, my Edmonton based friend
#
mlo Ok, so Indieweb-yeg, welcome to the party!
#
Kongaloosh Hey mlo!
#
mlo Hi - so you're starting one in Edmonton?
#
Kongaloosh I'm thinking of starting up an edmonton-based meetup
#
Kongaloosh I couldn't find refrence of any in edmonton
#
mlo Well, keep me posted. I've know Kevin Marks....oh dear, over 20 years now.
#
Loqi [indieweb] "From mlo for Kongaloosh #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-10-01 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/from-mlo-for-kongaloosh-indieweb
#
KevinMarks I'm sure michi knows the good pubs for meetups
#
Kongaloosh I've made a channel indieweb-edi, if you're interested in joining
#
gRegorLove Kongaloosh: You should add your interest to https://indieweb.org/HWC#Up-and-coming_Meetings
#
Kongaloosh thanks gRegorLove
#
Kongaloosh mlo: I'm thinking about doing it twice monthly at startup edomonton
#
Kongaloosh (currently at the monthly hack-day there)
#
KevinMarks Edi? I think you got autocorrected
#
mlo Have you had time to explore this fine *cough* city yet? Edi is kind of useless, should probably be yeg
#
Kongaloosh mlo: indieweb-yeg
#
Kongaloosh autocorrect :S
#
Kongaloosh -> indeweb-yeg
#
KevinMarks Mlo is on web not irc
snarfed and wolftune joined the channel
#
mlo Kongaloosh: keep me posted, I'm interested.
#
Kongaloosh mlo: just pinged you in -yeg
nikivi joined the channel
#
mlo I know, and can't seem to respond?!
#
mlo its holding and queerying....
#
mlo Nevertheless, I know a few good places, depending what you're into. I was born here, raised in London, back now to look after my parents.
#
mlo What part of the city are you in?
snarfed, begriffs, Pierre-O, nikivi, KevinMarks, wolftune, keroberos, gRegorLove, KevinMarks_, KevinMarks__ and awolf joined the channel
#
@codebear @cdevroe you can swing by the #Indieweb chat channels and talk to the brid.gy folks any time -- https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-10-01%23bottom (twitter.com/_/status/782361019662340096)
snarfed joined the channel
#
gRegorLove Until people can sign in and chat on chat.indieweb.org, maybe we should put a "Join chat" link on there that links to indieweb.org/irc/today
tantek, KevinMarks_ and awolf joined the channel