#indieweb 2016-10-03

2016-10-03 UTC
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@davidmead Have you looked at @withknown yet @sodevious ? Great syndication, easy to install. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/782776604053295107)
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@jkphl @martijnvdven Haha, easy one: @IndieWebCampDE is mostly run by me! ;) +@sl007 @fredericmarx (twitter.com/_/status/782876266995257344)
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aaronpk Whoa, just got the bill for indiewebify.me and it's $15 this month somehow
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snarfed ruh roh
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snarfed aaronpk: if it's mostly frontend instance hrs, try adding this to the app.yaml:
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snarfed automatic_scaling:
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snarfed max_idle_instances: 1
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snarfed finding background...
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/578#issuecomment-203139624
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snarfed https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/config/appref#max_idle_instances
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aaronpk wow yeah, in August there were 12 frontend instance hours used, in September there were 1028.
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Zegnat aaronpk, probably just KevinMarks_ overloading your rel-me API ;)
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snarfed aaronpk: heh. avg 34 h/d. you get 28h/d free
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snarfed aaronpk: you can also set a budget: https://console.cloud.google.com/billing
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aaronpk good idea
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@glennjones @adactio think that service worker chat at @indiewebcamp is turning into the seed of a nice cache first stragegy library for document sites (twitter.com/_/status/782960452330487810)
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KevinMarks_ Uh oh, sorry Aaron
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KevinMarks_ Because the plugin fires off a lot of rel-me requests at once if the pages has a lot of rel me links, it could spin up more machines
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@adactio @glennjones @indiewebcamp Oh, excellent! We should get together for a chat about this. (twitter.com/_/status/782961896437809152)
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KevinMarks_ Is there lots of repeat traffic that would make more caching worth it?
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aaronpk the problem with caching is if people are trying to use it to debug their site then caching could make it so they don't see their changes
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@web_DEVE__Lop #webdevelopment glennjones indiewebcamp Oh, excellent! We should get together for a chat about this. — Jeremy Keith (adactio) October 3, … (twitter.com/_/status/782963351899009024)
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KevinMarks_ I meant etag /last modified use. The silos are likely to do that right even if personal sites don't
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aaronpk is working his way through creating micropub.rocks tests
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aaronpk looks forward to testing out silo.pub with this
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Zegnat KevinMarks_, just another reason to decentralise and take verification into the browser. If only compatibility was better, so far, Firefox is the only browser to resolve t.co
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KevinMarks_ True, but then you're taking on the page loading on the client side. Though I suppose cache coherence may be more likely there.
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KevinMarks_ I bet going to my g+ page stresses out indiewebify.me
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KevinMarks_ Hm, the other way of thinking about caching is that we are building a new version of the social graph api backend.
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KevinMarks_ Or a subset of it anyway
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Zegnat I believe window.fetch() will take advantage of the browser’s own caching, like any other XHR request, so yes, my extension should be caching
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tantek !tell Jeena HWC Göteborg this week? Location? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-05-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell chrisaldrich1 HWC LA this week? Venue? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-05-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk HWC Portland this week? Venue? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-05-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek (and yes I'm working on the SF location with @sdepolo :) )
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" on 2016-10-03 http://calagator.org/events/1250470904
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX on Wednesday, Oct 5, 6:30pm at Ankeny Tap and Table
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aaronpk jeez that's fast
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: HWC Portland this week? Venue? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-05-homebrew-website-club#Where
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bear @aaronpk I would rather find a way to sponsor the indieweb infra costs than try to figure out some level of caching that hinders devs at this phase
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bear (sorry if this is a reply to an old post that is out of context)
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aaronpk yeah agreed
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bear heck, having a tag line at the bottom of most of the services: This month sponsored by: bear, bob and bill
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bear i'd toss $100 to you for that ;)
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aaronpk that's not a bad idea
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@kevinmarks @waxpancake its #indieweb year. (twitter.com/_/status/783035771955445760)
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb!
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tantek heh - thanks KevinMarks
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tantek this would make a good opening screen for HWC this week: https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/783030608444297216
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@waxpancake Redesigning my blog. What year is it again? (twitter.com/_/status/783030608444297216)
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gRegorLove Wow. I don't poke around the Instagram settings often, but just came across a text field for "Custom Keywords: Comments that contain any of the words or phrases below will be hidden." Interesting feature.
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tantek yes that's new and I think caused by either comments on Miley Cyrus or Taylor Swift's IG comment
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tantek where I think people were using "snake" or the snake emoji to make a specific insult
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tantek I don't know why this piece of silo abuse handling trivia is stuck in my head nor where it came from. But that might be enough info to Google for it.
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gRegorLove Hah, interesting.
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gRegorLove I captured it in text on /Instagram#Features
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tantek oh my goodness it's real http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/07/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-snake-emoji
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tantek I seriously have no idea how so much random information ends up in my head nor how it gets indexed for recall but not necessarily citation (because I'm not bothering because I can google for the citation later?)
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KevinMarks1 http://idlewords.com/talks/deep_fried_data.htm
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bear haha - I didn't recognize his name at first
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Loqi rofl
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KevinMarks1 today in web authoring: https://twitter.com/dens/status/783035287849017345
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@dens Anyone know the best way to simulate a table of text (rows/columns) in @Medium? Fixed-width font? A way to use tabs? Anyone? @katelaurielee (twitter.com/_/status/783035287849017345)
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[benatwork] And today in web applications, this is 100% accurate imo: https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f#.orrtjm1sl
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aaronpk ? "No JavaScript frameworks were created during the writing of this article."
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[benatwork] ^ Very unlikely tbh
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aaronpk goes back to his jquery
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aaronpk is literally writing jquery code right now for micropub.rocks
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tantek wow that article
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tantek benatwork I really don't want to believe it is that bad
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aaronpk it's really that bad
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tantek it's like somehow backend architecture astronauts found JS and decided, wait, I can map all my insane complexity into JS!
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aaronpk I still use jQuery because it works, and I don't have to rewrite every application every year when X replaces Y like that article describes
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tantek s/jQuery/JS for me because I didn't want to burden my site readers with loading jQuery when I would use a fraction of it
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tantek this article, it just keeps goin
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aaronpk yeah as browsers have been progressing, it's been even easier to not use jquery and use native JS for the simple stuff