#indieweb 2016-10-10

2016-10-10 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit 2016 discussion day" on 2016-06-05 https://kylewm.com/2016/06/indieweb-summit-2016-discussion-day
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb Summit 2016" on 2016-06-10 https://kylewm.com/2016/06/indieweb-summit-2016
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Loqi [indieweb] "To Known-dev: The Case Against ActivityStreamsPost" on 2016-02-27 https://kylewm.com/2016/02/to-known-dev-the-case-against-activitystreamspost
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Loqi [indieweb] "Bridging the IndieWeb Generation Gap" on 2016-05-31 https://kylewm.com/2016/05/bridging-the-indieweb-generation-gap
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Loqi [indieweb] "Moving kylewm.com to Known #indieweb" on 2016-01-20 https://kylewm.com/2016/01/moving-kylewmcom-to-known-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "This Week in the IndieWeb" on 2015-05-16 https://kylewm.com/2015/05/this-week-in-the-indieweb
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kylewm Loqi you are so weird
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Loqi [indieweb] "Super minimal microblog experiment" on 2014-04-15 https://kylewm.com/2014/04/super-minimal-microblog-experiment
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tantek kylewm and maybe Superfeedr too
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GWG I'm trying to decide if I should move some test code into production or keep working on it
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snarfed aaronpk++ for micropub.rocks, loving the independent test suite for the wordpress plugin
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Loqi aaronpk has 1113 karma (428 in this channel)
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snarfed great complement to unit tests
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cweiske that's what you get from relying on app stores: https://blog.kapeli.com/apple-removed-dash-from-the-app-store
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cweiske https://aaronparecki.com/, 1 like for the interesting "Multi-Camera Live Switching Rig" article and 6 likes for a photo of coffee
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@sl007 @jkphl @martijnvdven @marcthiele @HeNeArXn Sure thing. https://indieweb.org/Events%23November need to redirect the redirect ('planning') to a new page now (twitter.com/_/status/785440318938316800)
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@sl007 @aaronpk @t How could I setup a (new) wiki page for IWC BER ??? ? Should https://indieweb.org/next-iwc link to both (they are in sync.) ;) @jkphl (twitter.com/_/status/785444689499590656)
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@sl007 @ChrisAldrich fyi #indieweb IWC Berlin will take place parallel to LA - just got the venue confirmed - let's get in contact... (twitter.com/_/status/785448200660520960)
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@HeNeArXn @sl007 @aaronpk @jkphl @t I created a stub page http://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/785450200533966848)
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Zegnat Interesting, I just had an empty WebMention go off
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sknebel ?
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sknebel what's an "empty webmention"?
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Zegnat Someone calling my webmention endpoint without sending data
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sknebel crawler GETing all urls it can find?
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sknebel or was it a POST?
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petermolnar I have crawlers GETing it
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petermolnar it's a URL in your page, so sure, bots will try to poke it
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petermolnar maybe adding it to robots.txt would not be a bad idea
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petermolnar (I haven't done that either)
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@cairbreUK .@UofGlasgow & .@maidsafe teaming up to study #safenetwork http://futurescot.com/university-glasgow-adopts-next-generation-internet-technology/ #indieweb #decentralizedweb https://twitter.com/maidsafe/status/784353139382161408 (twitter.com/_/status/785468678187851776)
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@sugruecomms .@UofGlasgow & .@maidsafe teaming up to study #safenetwork http://futurescot.com/university-glasgow-adopts-next-generation-internet-technology/ #indieweb #decentralizedweb https://twitter.com/maidsafe/status/784353139382161408 (twitter.com/_/status/785468677579694080)
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@offrayLC @FGsoniK @MachineLoveIXDM @ntnsndr @ara4n yes. For me http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki and http://smalltalkhub.com/ are about #IndieWeb for code. (twitter.com/_/status/785472682569658372)
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@cdevroe You’ve been granted h-entry http://cdevroe.com/2016/10/10/h-entry-wordpress/ Totally geeked out this morning. Coffee-fueled coding. #microformats #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/785475902511648768)
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@btconf Great news. We’re organising an IndieWebCamp Berlin right before #btconf. Thanks to the enthusiasm of @sl007 – https://ti.to/beyondtellerrand/berlin-2016/with/ou9bmjredyc (twitter.com/_/status/785480373870424064)
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@btconf More information about what @sl007 organised for the #IndieWebCamp #Berlin before #btconf so far (see last tweet): http://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/785480605983240193)
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tantek yeah!
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@wireshellPW Setting up posting to twitter via ProcessWire (https://t.co/BjrL9TeLSR) #indieweb #processwire #posse (twitter.com/_/status/785482012484374528)
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@koehr_in Anyone who wants to join me? https://ti.to/beyondtellerrand/berlin-2016/with/ou9bmjredyc #indieweb #beyondtellerrand #berlin (twitter.com/_/status/785482799709089792)
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Zegnat sknebel, I still haven’t upated it to log wether it was GET or POST, hahaha
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Loqi hehe
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Zegnat Aaah, rats, it seems like IWC Berlin is off for me :/
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sknebel oh no
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sknebel :/
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Zegnat The word came today that we can’t take days off before November 11 because of some mayor deadline at work
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aaronpk cweiske: haha yeah, the coffee photo is on instagram. maybe i should posse the video article to medium and see if it gets more traffic that way
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aaronpk snarfed: yay! yeah micropub.rocks has already been super helpful to myself for testing new features to my endpoint! way easier than using quill or curl to test things
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Loqi ?
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Zegnat Who came up with the early-bird bird on /2016/Berlin? That’s clever!
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Zegnat goes to check wiki history
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tantek wonders if we should try to have an "early bird" session at IWC LA to be online same time as IWC BER
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@sl007 @marcthiele @adactio @glennjones @martijnvdven @aaronpk @t @m_ott @fredericmarx @voxpelli @jeena GO NOW https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/785510679558123520)
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@sl007 @indiewebcamp Register now - http://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin - parallel to LA #indieweb ?@chrisaldrich @angelogladding ... (twitter.com/_/status/785511439914110976)
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tantek amazing
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tantek speaking of /venue posts
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tantek taking steps towards posting venues (since official versions seem to lack permalinks) http://tantek.com/2016/284/t3/coyote-ridge-2-horizontal-control-mark
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. Coyote Ridge 2 Horizontal Control Mark #lookdown #latergram #nofilter #run #trail #coyoteridge #peak #solorun #coyoteridge2 #horizontalcontrolmark #nationalgeodeticsurvey I tried searching for "Coyote Ridge" "Horizontal Control Mark" and fo... https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14574111_1788397511421795_4204262388481916928_n.jpg
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tantek and kylewm's venues are back!
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snarfed1 Zegnat: re the empty webmention, your web server logs probably show whether it was a get or post, so you shouldn't need your own logging, right?
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@veganstraightedge @c_pizzle See also: https://indieweb.org My personal implementation of #indieweb is @DarkMatterAppCo. https://github.com/darkmatterapp (twitter.com/_/status/785522695232335872)
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Zegnat snarfed1: yes, I could check the server logs, its just that those aren’t logged by my endpoint so not readily accessible
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@sl007 @sebastiangreger @bastianallgeier @webrocker @nebu @EmmaGHodge @lyssaslounge BER #indiewebcamp at Mozilla; Register: http://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/785541431016484864)
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@sl007 @sixtus @fiete_stegers @klischka @_shamani @netzpolitik @correctiv_org http://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin register or share the word : It's #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/785542125534449664)
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tantek What is Tidal?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Tidal" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Tidal is a feed reader, live example at http://tidal.archiloque.net/ and open source at https://github.com/archiloque/tidal.
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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aaronpk good afternoon!
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GWG Hi, friends.
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GWG aaronpk, you know a lot about geolocation offerings, right?
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GWG A while back, KevinMarks suggested the foursquare venue API as a source for data. But its terms of service forbid it. Is there a decent alternative?
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aaronpk IMO foursquare venues are the best, so no
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aaronpk openstreetmaps is the most open database that is also updated often, so that's probably your best bet if foursquare isn't an option
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aaronpk however I have been consistently disappointed with the venues there compared to foursquare
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GWG Foursquare says you can't store their data except to cache. So I can't use it to build a local venue.
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GWG I guess I need to venue alone.
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aaronpk you can keep the foursquare data cached for 30 days, and then you have to refresh it, so that gets you pretty close to storing it permanently
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GWG aaronpk, so I need to refresh my venues? Wasn't in my plan.
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GWG I guess I will build later.
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aaronpk yeah i keep putting it off for similar reasons
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GWG I have a plan to a store venues but stalled last year on the UI.
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GWG I am looking again. Even if I complete a subset.
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GWG Should every location be a venue?
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aaronpk as opposed to?
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GWG Just coordinates attached to a post.
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aaronpk ah
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gRegorLove Do their terms actually prevent you from statically storing the venue in a post? Or just the complete data set, as a lookup?
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aaronpk gRegorLove: it's not super clear to me because their TOS are written expecting people to build a very different kind of application than what we're talking about
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aaronpk i was considering implementing a first pass of checkins as just storing the coordinates and venue name/address in each post, and not having my own permalink for venues, and not even having any association between identical venues in different posts
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GWG But I am setting venues up as a taxonomy. Simple coordinate locations in the post metadata.
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GWG The advantage is having URLs and more than three fields.
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GWG I just want location awareness. I think of check-ins as a post where the location is primary as opposed to secondary.
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tantek Germany is coming through strong this year for IWC! Nürnberg, Düsseldorf, and now Berlin coming up!
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tantek in fact, unless DC (or some other city besides SF) gets planned, Germany will be the sole source of new IWC cities this year
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@sl007 @martijnvdven just fyi - going by car from Dinslaken to https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin departing at FRI around 4pm ... (twitter.com/_/status/785594593848942592)
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tantek Hey East coast folks: one day IndieWebCamp MIT2 tentatively being planned for 2016-11-16 (Wednesday) day before the W3C Social Web Working Group meeting at MIT - please add yourself if you're interested! https://indieweb.org/Planning#MIT2 (ben_thatmustbeme GWG rhiaro et al)
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tantek there are likely some suggestions here that could improve participation and diversity at IndieWebCamps: https://medium.com/hackers-and-hacking/running-an-inclusive-hackathon-630f3f2e5e71
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tantek And since it's now October (Q4), we should start looking at 2017 planning!
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tantek http://indieweb.org/Planning#2017
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gRegorLove How about IWC Hawaii? :D
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tantek gRegorLove: Add it! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Possible_new_locations
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@curelet WatCamp calendar, IndieWeb intro, Linux Guile-lkr. @KWlug Sept 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV7eYMvmGY8&feature=youtu.be via @YouTube #WRTalk (twitter.com/_/status/785629860668379136)
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