#indieweb 2016-10-09

2016-10-09 UTC
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snarfed hey aaronpk, looking at the micropub spec, in JSON input, type is an array, but when querying source, it's returned as a single string (not array)
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snarfed intentional?
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aaronpk snarfed: nope not intentional. I think ben sent me a PR for that actually
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snarfed ah ok
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Zegnat Good morning! Any messages here?
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@jkphl Just booked my ✈️ to Berlin for @indiewebcamp, #a11yclub & @btconf next month. 6 days of events in a row — that's going to be tough! :D (twitter.com/_/status/785038098962980864)
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Zegnat Is indieweb.org down?!
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Zegnat aaronpk: "Cannot contact the database server: Unknown error (db.node)" - indieweb.org
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Zegnat Is that just me?
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aaronpk back now. not sure what happened
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Zegnat Thanks for fixing!
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GWG Morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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aaronpk I just now realized you can customize your youtube profile to include specific playlists or videos, and add new sections and stuff
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aaronpk it's an interesting take on "home page"
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aaronpk (more like profile page but same idea)
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Zegnat I am extremely tempted to correct this correction back to the original tweet: https://twitter.com/callmevlad/status/784484438260355072
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@callmevlad Corrected mininimum requirements: ? Browser ? @webflowapp ? Much less time ? Enthusiasm ? Beach stuff (for all tha… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/784484438260355072 (twitter.com/_/status/784484438260355072)
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Zegnat Original tweet: https://twitter.com/rem/status/784038079636070401
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@rem ☝Just a reminder in this sea of webdev despair: Minimum requirements to build a website ? ? Browser ? *Text* editor ⏰ Time ? Enthusiasm (twitter.com/_/status/784038079636070401)
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@gasull Platforms like Google, Facebook and Uber are mostly monocultures, and that is bad, but they aren't monopolies. https://indieweb.org/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/785136246007955456)
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franklevi Hey guys! I'm interested in indieweb and I am trying to get it to work on my website. In fact, I have a Tumblr website and I'd like to get Bridgy to post on my social media and get responses and likes back on my site. Thing is I'm NOT a dev. so I have a couple of questions. Cuand somebody help me with that?
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snarfed franklevi: sure, shoot
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franklevi Well, first of all, I get this We found the following rel=me URLs on your site: https://twitter.com/franklevimusic doesn’t link back https://facebook.com/franklevimusic doesn’t link back https://instagram.com/franklevimusic doesn’t link back http://www.franklevi.com works perfectly
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snarfed you're trying to log into indieauth?
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franklevi on indiewebify. I do have a link to my website on each profile
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snarfed franklevi: ok. not all of the silos do rel-me, and twitter does but wraps the link in a t.co, so those errors might be expected
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snarfed (cc aaronpk and others who maintain indiewebify.me)
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franklevi So it doesn't really matter?
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snarfed it might not, i'm not sure
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snarfed indiewebify also just might need updating. e.g. if you try to log into https://indieauth.com/ , i'm guessing twitter might work there
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franklevi Yes it does
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snarfed so maybe check if there's an issue in https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/ to handle FB, IG, and twitter, and if not, add one
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aaronpk Oh good. I think indiewebify still needs a fix for some Twitter redirect behavior.
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snarfed franklevi: also keep moving on, silo rel-me won't block you on anything
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@evrenk Working on my feedly account. Sad to realise so many great resources don't have an RSS feed anymore. #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/785149524746600449)
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franklevi Ok, so next question : If I want Bridgy to publish on my silos, I have to add h-entry right?
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snarfed looking
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snarfed franklevi: http://indieweb.org/Tumblr#Add_microformats_support
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snarfed (many q's have answers on the wiki :P)
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franklevi Yeah, i'm looking at this page right now.
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franklevi But the wiki is not that user friendly for a non-dev ;)
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franklevi So I have to make the change for each Tumblr post type?
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snarfed hmm, maybe!
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snarfed not a tumblr expert, but sounds likely
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snarfed do you have many types?
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franklevi text, photo, quote, chat, audio, video
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franklevi Ok i'll do it and get back
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snarfed franklevi: i'd suggest doing it with one, then test and get that working end to end
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snarfed (first)
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franklevi yeah ok thanks
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franklevi Ok, so in my theme it's <article class="post text {block:Date}date-page{/block:Date}">. Do I change it for <article class="post text h-entry {block:Date}date-page{/block:Date}">
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snarfed franklevi: looks like yes
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franklevi_ Well, I guess this is way out of my capacities :P
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snarfed franklevi_: aww sorry. the tumblr theme editing?
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franklevi_ Yeah, it didn't work
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snarfed :( sorry
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snarfed we'd love to capture why not on the wiki. are you able to log into the wiki?
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Zegnat franklevi_, are you using a default theme?
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snarfed btw if you're not tied to tumblr, other hosts like known, wordpress (self-hosted and .com), and mayb blogger are easier!
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franklevi_ No, I'm using a theme called reverb, see franklevi.com
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franklevi_ Yeah I was thinking about changing to Wordpress but I didn't really want to pay for hosting right now
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franklevi_ But I guess I'll have to
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Zegnat I have been meaning to look into Tumblr for IndieWeb, i have several friends who use Tumblr as their primary website
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Zegnat Don’t know the reverb theme though, so would need to look into it
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franklevi_ It's a pretty complex theme for musicians
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franklevi_ So do you guys think I could get this to work if I switch to WP and use the IndieWebPlugin?
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GWG franklevi_: I can help if it is WordPress. I use it for my site.
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Zegnat Thre are definitly more people on beginner level using WordPress than Tumblr
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snarfed franklevi_: i think known and blogger both do custom domains for free, try them
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GWG snarfed: I think Known stopped doing that
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snarfed https://indieweb.org/web_hosting
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snarfed GWG: aww. mind confirming and updating that wiki page?
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franklevi_ snarfed: Known aren't so pretty, that's the problem
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snarfed btw GWG wp-micropub is now close to supporting the full spec!
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franklevi_ Known sites*
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Zegnat franklevi_, the pretty issue might be an issue for a while. Using custom designs by people who have not added microformats will always mean you have to add them to the design yourself
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Zegnat I am guessing that holds true for WP as well, GWG?
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franklevi_ Zegnat: Yeah, I get that... I thought I'd be able to set it up myself but I think it was unrealistic :P
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GWG Zegnat, yes
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GWG snarfed, I am excited.
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[kevinmarks] Silo.pub has some instructions for tumblr roo
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[kevinmarks] How to post to tumblr with micropub
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franklevi_ kevinmarks: Thanks! I didn't look at this one!
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aaronpk that's the opposite, for posting *to* tumblr from indieweb apps, rather that posting to twitter from tumblr
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[kevinmarks] Ah, true.
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[kevinmarks] https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/09/a-decentralized-web-would-give-power-back-to-the-people-online/
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@Moturoais Want to know more about us? Moturoais Home #indie #indiefilm #indieweb #roku #rokuUK #movies #SupportIndieFilm http://www.moturoais.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/785171421622259712)
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vrod With the sale of Yahoo, is Tumblr still the best place to start?
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aaronpk has tumblr ever been the best place to start?
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Zegnat Tumblr is an odd one. Some people treat it as hosting for their blog, others treat it like a social network
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cweiske aaronpk, about mircopub not allowing "categories[0]" anymore: did anyone test if php http libs are able to handle that?
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aaronpk cweiske: php handles both
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cweiske I don't talk about receiving
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cweiske I talk about http client libs that are used by micropub clients
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cweiske and my guess is that all of them send out numbered keys
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cweiske and that it will be hard to convince them to skip the keys
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk oh boy yeah, http_build_query includes the numbered indexes
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cweiske other libs are guzzle and pear's http_request2 that I'm using
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cweiske no idea what other php http client libs are used in the world
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb challenge: Remove mixed content warning by 2015-01-01" on 2014-12-18 https://kylewm.com/2014/12/indieweb-challenge-remove-mixed-content-warning-by-2015-01-01
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aaronpk whoa that's an old one
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Loqi [indieweb] "Still thinking about tildes" on 2014-11-05 https://kylewm.com/2014/10/thinking-about-tildes
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Loqi [indieweb] "Antipatterns antipattern" on 2014-09-21 https://kylewm.com/2014/09/antipatterns-antipattern
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kylewm huh, I was updating some other old stuff, maybe it pinged Superfeedr?
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Loqi kylewm: gRegorLove left you a message 3 days, 4 hours ago: Welcome back! Have another tell. :)
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aaronpk i got a webmention from you too, but that might be from my superfeedr->webmention thingy
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aaronpk well this is an interesting challenge. I have a couple pairs of tags I use interchangeably but not consistently. e.g. #oauth and #oauth2
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aaronpk I want to link to a combined stream showing posts with either tag, or just update all the posts with #oauth2 to add #oauth
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aaronpk not sure which is the best solution. I also just manually changed all instances of #livestreaming to #livestream since there were only a handful of them.
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cweiske when changing/re-assigning tags I simply don't change the update date
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cweiske so no updates get sent out
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cweiske which is technicall kinda wrong, but I don't care in that case
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aaronpk i have been sending out webmention updates for these but it almost seems overkill
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