#indieweb 2016-10-13

2016-10-13 UTC
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bear oh poo - https://twitter.com/octal/status/786333395643052032
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@octal RIP Dennis Ritchie. Thank you for UNIX, C, and everything else you contributed to humanity. https://www.wired.com/2011/10/dennis-ritchie/ (twitter.com/_/status/786333395643052032)
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bear oh crud - why don't I read more before reacting
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bear that's old news
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bear I should learn to post twitter links using loqi so I can un-hide all the pertinent info
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Loqi I agree
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: IndiewebCamp LA is a month from today - sign up https://indieweb.org/2016/LA (twitter.com/_/status/786374578574659584)
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KevinMarks1 @bear https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/6239589161
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KevinMarks1 @bear https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/6239589161
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aaronpk i'm starting to think I need a few different names
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aaronpk if you search google news for "aaron parecki" it's full of articles about Uber and ride sharing, because I took a bunch of photos of cabs in portland and posted them on flickr with a CC license and people use them in articles all the time
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snarfed aaronpk: i don't know exactly what quill sent to the endpoint, but looks like it was a query, and this endpoint responds to both config and syndicate-to queries with {"syndicate-to":[]}
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snarfed i'll file an issue with that
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snarfed aha it's https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/issues/47
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aaronpk Thanks!!
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aaronpk Can't wait to have a micropub.rocks server to test quill against
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GWG Evening.
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snarfed evening GWG
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GWG Hi, snarfed. I've been watching your work.
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snarfed on wp-micropub?
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GWG Yes.
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GWG I need to give the changes a try.
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snarfed please do!
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GWG snarfed: I liked a lot of the changes I read the code for.
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GWG There are still some ideas I had though.
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GWG As I told you a while back, I need to figure out how to make everything I need work with everything else I need.
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed ok
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snarfed go for it
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GWG So, I need to figure out how to make it so I can post something with Micropub and have it syndicated to Facebook, Twitter, etc.
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GWG That is the missing link right now.
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snarfed right, you've mentioned
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GWG I just keep stalling on the idea. The only way I can think of to make it work is to use a global variable to have plugins register syndication targets for Micropub, the same way Core registers post types and other things.
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snarfed GWG: i thought we agreed on using the 'micropub_syndicate-to' filter? that's what the plugin has done for a long time now
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/28
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GWG I'm concerned about multiple plugins registering the same names.
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GWG But there can be some ways around that.
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snarfed yup
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snarfed and honestly i doubt it will happen much in practice
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GWG Probably the best way is to add a function.
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snarfed can you think of any example of two different silos with the same name? i can't. :P
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GWG snarfed: I'm thinking of two different plugins both trying to register Twitter
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snarfed right, so uids should include username
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snarfed e.g. twitter.com/schnarfed
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snarfed the micropub spec examples match that: file:///Users/ryan/src/Micropub/draft/index.html#h-syndication-targets
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snarfed er sorry
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GWG But what if I want... Twitter via Bridgy Publish and Twitter via SNAP for the same username?
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snarfed https://micropub.net/draft/#syndication-targets
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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snarfed GWG: yeah, i'm totally fine with just not supporting that
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snarfed or else uid also includes plugin name
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GWG snarfed: My preference is to just have a function that takes the arguments and generates the UID with the other information.
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GWG So, no plugin sends in the UID, instead sending in the service/user properties.
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snarfed eh maybe. i'm still not convinced.
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snarfed how about you get it working with even just one posse plugin, see how that goes, then we tackle this if we still think it's necessary?
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GWG I started to look at Bridgy Publish for WordPress, which is just a wrapper around the Bridgy Publish service, but I was stopped by the fact people expect it to just work and it needs proper theme markup.
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GWG Not a problem for me, but it seems like there is something I should do in that plugin to help.
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snarfed maybe start by just getting it working for you first
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snarfed then maybe extend to other people
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GWG I decided to fix another project that is broken first. My location support plugin.
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GWG I want to see if I can get it working again for IWC LA.
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GWG I did some major UI changes, but didn't quite finish them.
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GWG I also am speaking to pfefferle about finalizing Webmention 3.0.
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GWG snarfed: Have you considered coming down to LA? You are on my list of people whose hand I would like to shake.
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snarfed GWG: aww likewise! not this time, but maybe someday
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GWG snarfed: Either way, I tend to jump around a lot on projects. When I get stalled, I tend to put something aside for a while.
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GWG And I admit I have trouble focusing on one aspect of a problem because professionally, I'm never given enough time to do one thing. I'm always having to do twenty things simultaneously.
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GWG So you'll see me either drilling down to the smallest detail trying to plan everything out for when I get to it, or working on something.
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snarfed understood
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GWG snarfed: I promise you one thing.
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GWG I've been trying to fix some problems at work for 13 years. I know I can accomplish more of my Indieweb goals before 2020.
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snarfed GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 185 karma (170 in this channel)
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GWG snarfed: And I still have to work on my unit testing skills.
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@InnovatorsGI Wer sich für's Thema #IndieWeb interessiert, es gibt wieder ein @IndieWebCampDE und zwar in #Berlin: https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/786506016565387264)
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@dkernohan @cogdog @creativecommons I need to be logged in to reply - do you want a response on twitter or as a Known/indieweb reply? (twitter.com/_/status/786519294435794945)
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sebilasse Moin moin, 25 tickets for IWC Berlin are gone already but less people put their names in the wiki - they will receive a mail next week, however make sure to enter your name - "Hello - my URL is" https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin
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sknebel sebilasse: I think it's normal that quite a few people aren't in the wiki, and to be expected
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sknebel even if the changes required to get indieauth to work are tiny, its still "busywork" in some sense
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sknebel (I've had somebody ask me "why should I do that just because your wiki doesn't work like any other website" and they have a point, if they don't use anything else indieweb yet ;))
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sebilasse Check the logs from yesterday - we COULD use an ordinary e.g. "login with twitter" button as an alternative. And that Auth flow could teach and tell the user how not only to be "me on twitter" but me - I'll tell you:
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sebilasse ^ sknebel > aaronpk prerequisites? (tb specified):
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sebilasse It should always deliver the "client_id" also to the "me"-URL as a parameter so that "me" could e.g. log the auth attempts.
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sebilasse If it uses the following flow, it should deliver a "provider_profile"-URL to allow UIs to add the backlink by a simple click.
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sebilasse 1. User clicks "twitter button"
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sebilasse 2. After auth, Wiki checks if there is a rel="me" link - if not it urges user to create one [as necessary "step 1"]
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sebilasse 3. Wiki checks if that rel="me" has a link back - if not it urges user to create one [as necessary "step 2"],
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sebilasse [redaktor could simply have a confirmation UI to add this link to your profile, see prerequisites]
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sebilasse 4. We can now proceed with IndieAuth or selfhosted or whatever...
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sebilasse I am working on it but it is work to make it most modular - basically IndieAuth is the wrapper containing
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sebilasse the supported 4 OAuth1 and 3 OAuth2 flows.
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sebilasse You could "start" it with either a SILO or your domain and it's optional allowing as well anonymous login via https://commentpara.de (hoster cweiske.de attends BER) or an alternative etc. ...
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sknebel hm, not sure if I get the difference, but we can talk about that at the camp. IMHO having people log on to the wiki is nice, but not that important. the wiki is quite public as well...
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@sl007 @EmmaGHodge fyi https://twitter.com/GVA_Watcher & https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? (twitter.com/_/status/786555818644606976)
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@sl007 https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? IndieWebcamp @WikimediaDE @kirstego @markusreuter @anikageisel @papperlapopp @nrecherche @Zeitbomber @martinkaul (twitter.com/_/status/786568083825500161)
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@sl007 https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? IndieWebcamp @JoanBleicher @kaibiermann @SimonHurtz @codeforhamburg @zeitonline_dev @cfritze @killdarlings (twitter.com/_/status/786568140830281728)
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@jkphl ? Next Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg will be next week, Oct 19th @tollwerk. Drop by! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-19-homebrew-website-club #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/786571969638572032)
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@IndieWebCampDE ? Der nächste Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg findet am Mittwoch, 19.10. im @tollwerk statt. Schaut vorbei! https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-19-homebrew-website-club #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/786572376796528641)
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@calum_ryan ? Homebrew Website Club London back next week, Oct 19th 18:30 https://indieweb.org/events/2016-10-19-homebrew-website-club%23London #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/786587546579075072)
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@sl007 @sr_rolando @Buddenbohm Na, dann kommt einfach alle zum IndieWebCamp https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? (twitter.com/_/status/786587974330748929)
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@sl007 @koehr_in https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? (twitter.com/_/status/786588192912793600)
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@sl007 @nxD4n @Mateusz @francoisL @Exibit @nifinet @quinze https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? (twitter.com/_/status/786588728072376321)
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@sl007 @digilotta Wir arbeiten daran und haben einige Ideen es leichter zu machen. Komm zum https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? (twitter.com/_/status/786589822781501440)
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@ChrisAldrich #DtMH2016 @ChrisAldrich: The #indieweb could help archivists in the future in accessing more personal data. (twitter.com/_/status/786607443728007168)
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sknebel PSA: if you see HTTPS errors on random (including high-profile) sites today, it might be because GlobalSign has OCSP issues which can cause their certs to show as revoked: https://twitter.com/globalsign/status/786505261842247680
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@globalsign We are currently experiencing issues with our OCSP which is causing certificate warning messages. We aim to fix this as soon as possible. (twitter.com/_/status/786505261842247680)
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sebilasse sknebel, et al. about BER food - MOZ: "I think we can offer to sponsor either lunch or another type of food
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sebilasse every day, so it's mostly up to you what and when we should order." - Suggestions (especially what ?)
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@voxpelli @Lady_Ada_King @ppk the @indiewebcamp community is showing this in practice, progressively enhancing personal blogs into social networks (twitter.com/_/status/786638381048553472)
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[tantek] voxpelli++
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[tantek] Unintended consequences of broadcasting a person's likes to their followers: https://twitter.com/fioraaeterna/status/786569748980961280
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@FioraAeterna imagine being a social network designer and thinking it was a good idea to broadcast "likes" to everyone who follow… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/786569748980961280 (twitter.com/_/status/786569748980961280)
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[tantek] Not sure where that should be documented. /notifications? /following ? /homepage ? /composite_stream ?
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[tantek] Or maybe on /like posts as a beware sort of thing? I do think it's a valid design question - do people expect everything they "like" to then have a permalink which is pushed to all their followers / subscribers?
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aaronpk I designed my site to have a permalink for each like, but intentionally do not show those on my home page
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snarfed ditto
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snarfed (same with replies and most reposts, for me)
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aaronpk same
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aaronpk actually reposts do go to my home page, i just don't post those very often
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aaronpk i shouldn't talk about reposts actually, I need to do a lot of work on them before I am happy with them
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Loqi totally
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KevinMarks1 this was an issue with Google Reader too
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KevinMarks1 it made a favorites feed per user, but it had an ugly obscure URL
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KevinMarks1 then they added discovery of these feeds for people you knew, and users got upset'
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KevinMarks1 facebook doing it is the 'more public than then web' problem again
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KevinMarks1 FB laser-targets your family, colleagues etc with your posts
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KevinMarks1 interesting that google calls these 'actions' https://developers.google.com/actions/
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sknebel similar for likes/bookmarks and other interactions IMHO
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sknebel e.g. what I bookmark and when is a quite detailed view into what I'm doing and interested in right now -> a full stream of my bookmarks is not something I want to be public
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aaronpk sknebel: interesting. all my bookmarks are public, (not on my home page tho), so i'm guessing we bookmark things for different reasons
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sknebel thinking about it, the timing data is a big issue -> a queryable database of all my bookmarks without data when it was created feels less "dangerous" to me than a stream
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sknebel because "I once looked into X" is a lot less specific than the order and thought processes that might show up in a stream
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sknebel so public bookmark posts for me are probably going to be selected reccommendations "this is interesting and you might want to look at it" and "here is a collection of all things I found interesting for X, after the fact"
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sknebel and another data point re likes: reddit hides them by default, but you expose the pages showing everything you upvoted/downvoted
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sknebel (which probably is even more granular and common than liking)
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@toxicdata #DtMH2016 @ChrisAldrich: The #indieweb could help archivists in the future in accessing more toxic waste. (twitter.com/_/status/786695094292316164)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#DtMH2016 A great place for the data lost in social media can be found via #IndieWeb at https://indieweb.org/site-deaths" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-13 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/dtmh2016-a-great-place-for-the-data-lost-in-social
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@ChrisAldrich #DtMH2016 A great place for the data lost in social media can be found via #IndieWeb at https://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/786699999673540609)
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