#indieweb 2016-10-24

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tantek
agreed aaronpk, great set of slides Jeena!
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Loqi
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Jeena
I need to upgrade this PDF to the newest version
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sl007
Jeena++
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Loqi
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Jeena
hehe I know, I have the whole thing with new links and new logo as a LibreOffice document an my computer, just have to export and upload it
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Jeena
sadly I will not be able to attend the Berlin IWC :/
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sl007
Jeena: Well at least not physically - try to follow us on video/irc. BTW: still got bungloo installed on Sierra - did not wanted to delete the Monster Mascot ;) Will finish indieauth-node until WE and push to git …
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Jeena
oh hehe and it still works? hm what was your name on tent, I don't remember anyone called sl007
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sl007
Jeena
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Jeena
ah hehe ok, cool :D
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misuba
anyone awake to help me figure out why an h-entry won’t validate?
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@webrocker
@m_ott @helloanselm immer dieses IoT (indieweb off topics)
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misuba
sl007: all the validators and bridgy agree: http://gibberish.com/archives/2016/10/23/798/ , which has an h-entry in it, has no h-entry in it
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snarfed
i do see the entry, it's just a child of an h-feed that's a child of a top-level h-as-note
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snarfed
that top level h-as-note is probably the problem
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misuba
…at the top level? wow
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snarfed
(and since that's a single post, you probably don't want the h-feed either)
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misuba
holy crap yeah. how is that getting in there.
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misuba
okay cool. thanks all
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Notes, Highlights, and Marginalia: From E-books to Online" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-24 http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/24/notes-highlights-and-marginalia/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Notes, Highlights, and Marginalia: From E-books to Online" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-10-24 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/notes-highlights-and-marginalia-from-e-books-to-online-ded35dc069bb?source=rss----12b80d28f892---4
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Notes, Highlights, and Marginalia: From E-books to Online" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-10-24 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/notes-highlights-and-marginalia-from-e-books-to-online-ded35dc069bb?source=rss------css-5
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Notes, Highlights, and Marginalia: From E-books to Online" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-10-24 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/notes-highlights-and-marginalia-from-e-books-to-online-ded35dc069bb?source=rss-f9e3747f5480------2
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tantek
!tell ChrisAldrich re: http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/24/notes-highlights-and-marginalia/ have you seen https://indieweb.org/marginalia and especially the clever design of what KartikPrabhu does with them? E.g. https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
what is a venue?
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Loqi
A venue is a named location or address/geo that is typically used for checkins https://indieweb.org/venue
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gRegorLove
what is geo?
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tantek
I think I just figured out the, how do you publish *where* a post was *published*, vs. *where* a post is *about*!
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tantek
p-location vs u-category!
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tantek
that is, p-location is the location a post was published, whereas u-category is used for tagging what a post is about, and thus we have u-category h-card for person-tags, but if the h-card is a venue, then the post is about a venue as well, or u-category h-adr (h-geo or geo: URL) would convey that the post is about a specific address (or geo accordingly!)
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tantek
aaronpk please review analysis / brainstorm ^^^
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tantek
often these may be the same in practice, but they're also often not (e.g. posting photos of a place long after the fact, from some other location. this confusion can easily happen if you have location enabled tweets for example, and post a photo to twitter that you took yesterday somewhere else - Twitter will still post you *current* location, not the location of the photo)
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tantek
this distinction, often overlooked, between where you're posting from vs. where you're posting about, and respective imprecision/ambiguity/misleading in posting/viewing UIs has bothered me for years.
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jonnybarnes
so is a “checkin” to a venue, posting about or from?
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tantek
jonnybarnes, a check-in *should* be both - from and about a venue. however even that is not sufficient to distinguish a checkin from a photo of a location that is posted from that location.
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tantek
checkin is going to almost certainly need some other piece of information, a property, or a new value to an existing property, to express the *intent* of a checking in
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aaronpk
interesting, like "place tagging"
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aaronpk
seems reasonable
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tantek
if we allow for "postsquare" style checkins, then a checkin's key components are being about a location, at a particular point in time, separate from the location and time (sometime later) of publication
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tantek
searches google for "postquare" definition and finds http://indieweb.org/irc/2014-11-14/line/1415993756740 😂
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Loqi
[tantek] "postsq" or "postsquare" we call them
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tantek
aaronpk, yes, place tags!
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tantek
but that begs the question, how to do datetime tags
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bear
woudln't a checkin be the application of a geo location and a person?
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tantek
I've definitely checked in before with "Post" and explicitly indicated my actual (earlier) time of arrival in the prose
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aaronpk
like a post *about* a date?
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tantek
or a time
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aaronpk
well there's already the created vs published difference, which is very visible in the flickr UI
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tantek
bear - necessary but insufficient, hence the photo with location (and even people) counterexample
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[schmarty]
"the night in question"
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tantek
created vs published is very different - those are both "of" the post
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tantek
Flickr has "time taken" which is about the photo (image)
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tantek
s/time/date
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tantek
but that's photo specific
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tantek
I seem to recall one of GWG's recent articles was about a particular date, or was it year?
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tantek
if you're a history blogger, presumably you're publishing lots of posts about specific dates (perhaps even times)
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tantek
a timehop post is *about* a particular date (a year ago or multiple thereof)
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tantek
that is different from the publication date
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bear
i'm trying to break it down to the simplest of items so that the minimum info can be gathered - anything else would be added to it as use cases appear
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tantek
bear - that's falling into a bit of a reductionist trap - that's the problem
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bear
this is one area where most of you have a lot of experience with what I would consider to be the more complicated of views of what a checkin is
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tantek
having done this analysis before (not just me, many others, including aaronpk, here in IRC, and in in-person conversations), purely trying to reduce a checkin to its components does not work when you attempt reconstruction
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bear
not reductionist at all - just making sure that the core items are well identified
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bear
goes away
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tantek
using "core" here doesn't help but merely pushing the question down to "what is core"
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tantek
bear - if you can figure out a way to construct checkin posts from existing properties in a way that disambiguates from mere notes with locations, or photos with locations (with or without people), then you have A LOT of people here interested in your solution :)
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tantek
attempts a positive rephrasing ;)
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tantek
clicks on a ~2 year old Loqi "looks like we don't have a" link to see what happens
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KartikPrabhu
are "notes with location" interpreted as "this note was posted from [location]" ?
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bear
I was trying to be a rubber duck to all of the solutions that you all have in your thoughts already - just trying to make sure that the simple solution wasn't overlooked because of some built in (but not on purpose) architectial astronaut'ing)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: on Twitter yes
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tantek
and thus I think that makes sense to reflect in the p-location property of h-entry
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KartikPrabhu
but a checkin is "this note is about this [location]" ?
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tantek
it should also be published *at*
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tantek
the implication of a checkin is that the person checking in is there at the moment
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tantek
yet, there are some exceptions
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tantek
goes back to defining one
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gRegorLove
Yep, I checkin sometimes as I'm leaving, or shortly after.
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KartikPrabhu
making plain language statements helps me
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tantek
http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#p-location "p-location - location the entry was posted from" phew
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H...
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tantek
at least I got that right
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gRegorLove
e.g. checkin to a movie theater, the one here usually has no coverage inside so it's after I leave, unless I remember to checkin before I enter.
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tantek
Hey Loqi, would you consider supporting fragmentions for your summary retrievals?
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gRegorLove
gives Loqi the fragmention
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Loqi
hearts the fragmention
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KartikPrabhu
would a checkin translate as "this post is about [location] where I was recently" ?
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tantek
not ideally no
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tantek
ideally a checkin means I just got here
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tantek
more liberally, I am here
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KartikPrabhu
ok so checkin = "i am at [location]"? but that simply sounds like location tracking, unless there is a way to distinguish it as a venue of some sort
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tantek
sounds like location tracking but is not in a very important way, that is the key distinguishing feature of a "checkin"
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tantek
which is that the person is explicitly declaring it
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tantek
has nothing to do with "tracking"
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tantek
nothing at all
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KartikPrabhu
sorry wrong words. I meant "location declaring"
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[schmarty]
i'm looking through older checkin discussion on the wiki and i see some mentions of "h-as-checkin"
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tantek
oh dear more h-as-* to scrub :/
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KartikPrabhu
[schmarty]: yeah explicit post-types like that are discouraged for reasons tantek will explain/link to next
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KartikPrabhu
what is explicit post type?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "explicit post type" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10TA
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tantek
ugh no
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[schmarty]
i remember reading that h-as-* is an anti-pattern because explicit post types are an anti-pattern. :}
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fiatjaf
is anyone interested in webvatar.com?
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fiatjaf
the domain I'm giving
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fiatjaf
been up for 2 years
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@caseorganic
@grapealope @mybasis Oh man. There needs to be an device deaths page. It's not just websites anymore. https://indieweb.org/site-deaths
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tantek
yes totally
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tantek
like that router thing that Google bought
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tantek
someone please start that page
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tantek
caseorganic++
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Loqi
caseorganic has 153 karma (10 in this channel)
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[schmarty]
this is probably wading into well-tread territory that is new to me, but it does strike me that a post describing a checkin might need something to indicate that it's a different verb than a post with location.
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KartikPrabhu
fiatjaf: so it as a "avatar as a service"? also the links above the images don't seem to do anything
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[schmarty]
wow, bricking a fitness watch
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tantek
schmarty - close - something about it. "verb" may not be the exact thing but yes, some other aspect
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tantek
and I think the above discussion just illuminated that for me
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tantek
a checkin is an explicit indication from a person that they are (or were) at a location at a specific time
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tantek
*explicit* *location* *plus* *time*
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tantek
that sounds like a new location+time property to me
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[schmarty]
or some way to explicitly group them? location-with-embedded-time?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: how about the following: if a post has a p-location and a u-category with the same p-location it is a checkin?
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KartikPrabhu
the time can be inferred from dt-published or "dt-created" (if that exists)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: does not work for postsquares
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tantek
(false negative)
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tantek
also does not work for a photo taken and immediately posted from and at a location
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tantek
(false positive)
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fiatjaf
KartikPrabhu, yes, I changed one line now, without testing, and the whole site broke. it is back working again (it may have cached wrong routes for you for a while, however).
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tantek
schmarty - the challenge is, we already have something that is "location-with-time" (and named) - namely, an "event"
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tantek
and I think we may have run across this path of reasoning before
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tantek
how is a checkin different from an event as it were
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tantek
simply present/past vs future?
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tantek
but seriously device-deaths
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[schmarty]
hmm. h-event has its own mf2 definition. http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event - "h-checkin" seems like overkill but my mind went there first.
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Loqi
h-event
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tantek
schmarty - that's a natural inclination for any new data format problem, to start by assuming a new h-* object
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tantek
it's not the right (minimal) approach, just natural
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tantek
people like making up new objects / classes of things
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tantek
probably some variant of bikeshedding or ontological distraction. seems to be human or at least philosophically inclined
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[schmarty]
it is comforting to put labels on things :}
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tantek
I would like to know if there is a name for that phenomena
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tantek
besides say, labelism
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tantek
dodges the WP:Rabbithole
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tantek
what is Revolv
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Loqi
Revolv is a home automation hub that receives automatic software updates, acquired by Google, and shutting down 2016-05-15, including a software update that bricks all existing Revolv devices https://indieweb.org/Revolv
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tantek
what are device-deaths?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "device-deaths" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10TB
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tantek
device-deaths are like [[site-deaths]], except of physical devices made useless by their manufacturer or otherwise dependent service either explicitly shutting them down (bricking) or become inoperable to the site-death of said service. For example: 2016-05-15 [[Revolv]], 2016-12-31 [[Basis B1]] watch (https://twitter.com/grapealope/status/790668650814513152).
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@grapealope
Nooo! @mybasis shutting down service for their B1 watch, one of my favorite wearables. Another orphaned hardware de… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/790668650814513152
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[schmarty]
tl;dr version of E-prime is something like: all the forms of "to be" have distinct functions that tend to run together and lead to misunderstanding and conflict. my takeaway is that saying something "is" something leads to confusion.
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fiatjaf
so no one wants it? https://webvatar.com/
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fiatjaf
if anyone is interested, I'm at fiatjaf.alhur.es, the site will be offline in one month.
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@t
@caseorganic good suggestion. Started http://indieweb.org/device-deaths with @revolv and @mybasis Basis B1 as examples. (ttk.me t4jy2)
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tantek
schmarty smells like nihilism spirit
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tantek
fiatjaf - hmm - seems like something similar to hcard-as-a-service but done by directly aggregating from people's sites, rather than requiring a separate UI
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tantek
(not requiring a separate authoring / form UI seems to be a good thing)
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tantek
who here was still working on anything h-card-as-a-service in addition to shaners? perhaps take a look at webvatar to see if you could use that and if so get on it with fiatjaf!
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[schmarty]
tantek: haha, it feels pretty bleak. my takeaway from it is that trying to distinctly label things becomes a messy business.
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Loqi
nice
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tantek
schmarty - sounds like a glass is half empty assesment ;)
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tantek
the flaw in that takeaway is that the same reasoning can be used to criticise/discount natural language as a whole
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[schmarty]
tantek - fair point! language evolves as practices evolve. in this case i think of it as one of many ways to view the question "does checkin need an h-checkin?" before making a choice. :}
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tantek
that's a specific instance of the "do we need a new microformat" question for which there's some analysis here: http://microformats.org/wiki/process
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Loqi
The microformats process
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[schmarty]
haha, excellent!
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[kevinmarks]
Is there a difference between a prospective checkin and an event? Dodgeball or old foursquare style "I'm going to 21st amendment soon"
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gRegorLove
What is h-as-*?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "h-as-*" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10TC
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gRegorLove
What is h-as?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "h-as" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10TD
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gRegorLove
What is webvatar?
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Loqi
Webvatar is a service that provides direct URLs for <img> tags when you have the domain, or website address, of the user https://indieweb.org/webvatar
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gRegorLove
Last I recall, shaners was looking for anyone interested in taking up the h-card-as-a-service tool he started. Haven't seen anyone take him up on it yet.
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tantek
hmm so both shaners is looking for someone to take over h-card-as-a-service and fiatjaf is looking for someone to take over webvatar.
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gRegorLove
misses search on the chat logs
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snarfed
hey GWG would you mind trying wp-micropub 1.0 before i push it to the plugin directory?
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gRegorLove
cweiske had a search but I can't seem to find it
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GWG
h-as was an attempt to match ActivityStream vocabulary to microformats.
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snarfed
you don't have to fully fit it into your posting flow, just try anything
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GWG
snarfed, will do tonight. Been busy with non Indieweb stuff.
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GWG
I have it on my test site with a test Twitter account which will do the trick.
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snarfed
GWG: maybe prioritize just normal post CRUD stuff. syndication is a nice extra, but i imagine will take work to set up, and i'm primarily interesed in the CRUD usage
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tantek
location stuff is all over the place (so to speak) on the wiki
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GWG
snarfed: I will try the normal stuff, but I may have to update the Post Kind Integration as you changed the hooks.
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GWG
But that should be minor
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tantek
jonnybarnes: could you add your CB and Bs posts as examples in a new section here for yourself? https://indieweb.org/location#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek
I want to at least capture your examples because they are good examples that illustrate the problem well
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tantek
alright, as brainstormed in #microformats, one possibility of representing the posts that currently look like / mean checkins, short of a new object, is a p-checkin property that expects an h-event object
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tantek
e.g. h-entry (p-checkin h-event) - where the h-event's p-location is the the location of the checkin (likely itself an h-card) and the dt-start of the event is the time of checkin
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tantek
question is whether that's too "nesty"
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tantek
a "simple" checkin could just have a name of venue as the string value of a p-checkin property, and then leave it up to the consuming code to deal with it
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tantek
or a u-checkin that had a venue URL (e.g. on your site)
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tantek
or even a u-checkin with a geo: URL
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tantek
in those cases (checkin property with simple string name of venue, or URL of venue, or geo: URL) the time of checkin could be assumed to be the dt-published of the h-entry (since there's no explicit h-event to get a dt-start from)
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tantek
since consuming code already needs a way to deal with "string" locations (e.g. p-location in h-event or h-entry), it seems reasonable to leverage that and make p-checkin work the same way
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tantek
which could then also allow for various venue objects there instead as well (p-checkin h-card) (p-checkin h-geo) (p-checkin h-adr) - not that all of those are needed or necessary per se but rather *could* be added should use-case needs arise.
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tantek
in all cases, if the p-checkin does not itself contain time information, the time information comes from the post (dt-published)
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tantek
but I don't want to design with all those possibilities to start with, but rather keep those as future expansion possibilities should the need arise
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tantek
I think we can start with trying to make h-entry p-checkin h-event work, and go from there.
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tantek
(i.e. see what problems (if any) people run into with that p-checkin h-event approach)
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tantek
I'll wait to see if that makes sense to anyone publishing / consuming checkins (or wants to) before writing it up
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tantek
(on the wiki)
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jonnybarnes
tantek: that okay on /location ?
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tantek
jonnybarnes - great start. when did you start posting notes with location information? can you add that?
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tantek
what is OpenStreetMap?
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Loqi
OpenStreetMap is "a free, editable map of the whole world that is being built by volunteers largely from scratch and released with an open-content license" https://indieweb.org/OpenStreetMap
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tantek
what is Nominatim
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jonnybarnes
can we add now? there may be the odd note here or there
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jonnybarnes
but its only recently ive got the code working decently
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tantek
jonnybarnes - sure. e.g. if https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/Bs is your earliest you know of, then note that 2016-10-06 as when you started posting the
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Loqi
[Jonny Barnes] It was, but it would help if my syndication code wasn’t commented out!
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KartikPrabhu
what happened there ^
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KartikPrabhu
oh! I thought Loqi messed up on jonnybarnes' reply
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jonnybarnes
Loqi just unfurled the URL
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KartikPrabhu
yeah i realised that later
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jonnybarnes
lol, right, the very first note that ever had location data is https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/F
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Loqi
[Jonny Barnes] I can now add location data to my notes! Though this isn’t being sent to Twitter yet.
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jonnybarnes
and my current code can still use that notes data
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jonnybarnes
I’m quite pleased with that
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tantek
jonnybarnes - yes as an outcome of all this location vs check-in discussion, we have confirmed that p-location is the way to do it, means the same thing at Twitter's tweet location, so the request to Bridgy makes sense
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jonnybarnes
tantek add first use dates to /location
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jonnybarnes
s/add/added
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tantek
awesome!
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jonnybarnes
isn’t Loqi meant to edit the last line?
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tantek
jonnybarnes - if there are any other post types that you support (besides "note") as listed here: https://indieweb.org/posts#Kinds_of_Posts - click on their page and add yourself to their "IndieWeb Examples" sections!
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jonnybarnes
tantek added notes and articles
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tantek
nice!
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[bear]
be aware - netsplit in progress on IRC side
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bear
and it's back already - wow
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gRegorLove
jonnybarnes: (way late reply) Loqi doesn't have his s/ powers back yet
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GWG
!tell snarfed Found a problem that will require a rewrite of Post Kinds.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed
GWG: ruh roh. problem with wp-micropub?
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Loqi
snarfed: GWG left you a message 46 minutes ago: Found a problem that will require a rewrite of Post Kinds.
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snarfed
or post kinds?
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GWG
snarfed: You are storing single properties as arrays, consistent with the Micropub recommendation.
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snarfed
aha yes
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GWG
I wasn't.
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GWG
Because I never set the UI to look for multi-replies and such
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snarfed
got it
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GWG
But that should be fixable.
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snarfed
sounds like CRUD worked though, including auth etc?
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GWG
Yes
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snarfed
yay good
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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GWG
snarfed: I was leading toward JF2 for storage, as opposed to MF2. But I can adapt.
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snarfed
GWG: if you want, you can use the before_micropub filter to change the post meta to any format you want
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GWG
snarfed: Compatibility is an issue though.
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snarfed
GWG: eh post kinds isn't expected to work with posts made before it was installed, right? this would be the same
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snarfed
but up to you
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GWG
snarfed: Just trying to think what is good for everyone.
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GWG
I want to support multiple in-reply-tos, even if the UI isn't up for it right now, so probably better off converting to array
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GWG
I can still do an is_array to check for the old way
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snarfed
released wordpress-micropub v1.0! https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/
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GWG
snarfed++
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Loqi
snarfed has 243 karma (239 in this channel)
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miklb
is indeweb.org down for anyone else? Trying to load the /2016/LA page
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snarfed
miklb: fine for me
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KartikPrabhu
works here
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KartikPrabhu
what's the "Pivotal" logo on /2016/LA ?
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