#indieweb 2016-11-08

2016-11-08 UTC
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tantek great post by Andy Baio http://waxy.org/2016/11/redesigning-waxy-2016-edition/
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Loqi [Andy Baio] Redesigning Waxy, 2016 edition
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@t Favorite #IndieWebCamp LA post name: “Gettin All Bridgy Widget” http://mikirk.com/gettin-all-bridgy-widget/ @Mikirk1 added POSSE+backfeed! (ttk.me t4kC2) (twitter.com/_/status/795795474703941632)
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tantek ChrisAldrich++ for organizing an amazing IndieWebCamp LA!
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 7 karma in this channel (9 overall)
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tantek shaners++ for getting Pivotal as a host so many months in advance
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Loqi shaners has 56 karma in this channel (60 overall)
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tantek Pivotal++ for hosting IndieWebCamp and sponsoring day 1 eats + coffee! (and Maria thank you!)
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Loqi pivotal has 1 karma
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GWG Tired...
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Salt GWG, *1000 yard stare*
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GWG Salt, long trip back.
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Salt yeah
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Salt I'm pretty sure I was in Sunday mid-air
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Salt haven't done the math but I've definitely broken 30 hours at this point, hope to sleep well tonight
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GWG Salt, I feel similarly.
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tantek GWG - so much awesomeness this weekend - great work, posts, and helping out with video streaming and such - IndieWebCamp LA felt like a huge success
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tantek GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 175 karma in this channel (190 overall)
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GWG tantek: I may be tired now, but it was worth it.
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tantek GWG, thank you for making the trip.
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GWG tantek: Thank you for making yours as well.
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Salt glad it went well!
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tantek Salt++ for that awesome open first article
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Loqi salt has 4 karma
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Salt tantek, thank!
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Salt thanks!
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Salt I tried to arrange for an IWC at LCA but it didn't get accepted and I can't make it there without getting the funding, maybe next year
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GWG LCA?
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Salt linuxconf australia
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@CaptainKurtis @HerraBRE u looked at http://indieweb.org/reader yet? http://Github.com/kylewm/woodwind used with @withknown might do what you want. (twitter.com/_/status/795820142433370113)
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tantek is there a library or service for placing an arbitrary badge/graphic/icon on a user icon/avatar?
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bear I know of ProfileOverlay (for FB stuff) and Avaratize (sp?) for Twitter - but really your talking about using imagemagik composite atop http://www.imagemagick.org/script/composite.php
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[kevinmarks] You can do it with css - that's what I do for likes and reposts
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KartikPrabhu i was going to say that ^
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[kevinmarks] Could do it with css into canvas and then dump a jpeg
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[kevinmarks] If you need to send it to a silo
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tantek kevinmarks that sounds quite clever
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tantek has anyone built that service yet?
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tantek 1. enter your URL (or Twitter handle), and it goes and gets your current icon automatically (no need to upload)
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tantek 2. it automatically adds whatever icon/badge that page is specifically for
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tantek (and shows the resultant JPEG that you can download)
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KevinMarks We already have a couple of web page to image services
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tantek this sound a bit rubegoldbergian
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tantek of course I believe it *can* be built (in various ways), just wondering if someone has
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KevinMarks It sounds like an unmung kind of thing, given how many random tools that I have there
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KevinMarks I tried the client side png rendering on svgur.com at one point, before doing the server side one
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Loqi [indieweb] "Last week’s Homebrew Website Club SF was a bit chaotic. CSS guru Eric Meyer demonstrated float:right, while the rest of us attempted various z-index and transform properties. #latergram #nofilter #IndieWeb #homebrewwebsiteclub #mozilla #mozsf #openweb #sf" on 2016-11-08 http://tantek.com/2016/312/t3/last-week-homebrew-website-club-sf
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TheGillies Is it possible to add multiple sites for twitter/github for indie auth?
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TheGillies I have more than one domain but only one twitter/github
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KevinMarks They both only allow one rel=me link, sadly
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KevinMarks Google Plus allows an arbitrary number, but they made the page hard to curl reliably
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KevinMarks So I think indieauth dropped it
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TheGillies woah TIL clef
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TheGillies That that a thing in the indie community? I saw that indieauth uses it
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TheGillies Is that a*
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aaronpk I added it when persona said they were shutting down
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TheGillies yeah R.I.P. persona. They were doing god's work. too bad it didn't catch on like I had hoped
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@s1HOB8sPbELPMPd https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.indieweb.tokyokikendomap (twitter.com/_/status/795872281985548289)
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@t Tremendous #IndieWebCamp LA 2016! Thanks to: @ChrisAldrich organizing @Pivotal hosting @veganstraightedge ... http://tantek.com/2016/312/t4 (twitter.com/_/status/795875106723659776)
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TheGillies who runs indiecert?
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TheGillies ah https://www.tuxed.net/fkooman/ n/m
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@fkooman @tylergillies Thanks! I was really convinced @indiewebcamp was next weekend, and not last... #oops (twitter.com/_/status/795896653878169601)
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sl007 TheGillies - if only I would have known before. This guy is from Berlin and unfortunately I did not invite him for IndieWebCamp ;(
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j4y_funabashi morning
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Loqi good morning!
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@tylergillies @kylewmahan woodwind is a really nice app, thanks for building it. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/795937371661406208)
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@svandragt IndieWebify.Me - a guide to getting you on the IndieWeb https://indiewebify.me/ @murb (twitter.com/_/status/795946435749543936)
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julianf Hi folks. Reading back-scroll from a few days ago, noticed the new page /Mastodon . I hoped to read a synopsis of how it adds to the IW movement and what it lacks. Just want to mention: the 'Criticism' section with its big show-and-shame picture of a server error when it 'was down for a bit' gives a pretty negative impression of the IW community's impression of it. Now the excitement of the moment has passed, consider moderating it (at least remove th
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julianf preferably add some more relevant criticism (e.g. about how open or closed is the GNU social federation design)?
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julianf s/remove th/remove the picture), and/
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julianf (Ugh, that was the indieweb.org/irc interface breaking my line of text and discarding a few characters in the middle :-( )
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aaronpk thanks for the feedback julianf. I agree that downtime screenshot is not super valuable criticism
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bnvk dah aaronpk I was just making a change
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aaronpk go for it
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bnvk aaronpk: how do you make a page case insensitive? I thought it used to do that automagically
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aaronpk mediawiki by default is case insensitive but we changed that years ago
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bnvk ah, was there a reason?
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aaronpk you can set alternate link text for a [[ ]] link if you want
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bnvk yah
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aaronpk well mediawiki default is every page starts with an uppercase letter and that got annoying for pages that weren't proper nouns
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aaronpk so we switched it to case sensitive which lets us make lowercase page names
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bnvk gotcha
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bnvk anywho, updated
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bnvk also added https://indieweb.org/Single_Point_of_Failure
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aaronpk awesome, thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme its so much more annoying now though, as wrong capitalization and i don't get right to the page
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ben_thatmustbeme have to search
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aaronpk yeah it's a tradeoff
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[kevinmarks] Mastodon doesn't support sending webmentions, but does support pubsubhubbub
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[kevinmarks] (I manually sent a webmention to illustrate mf2 lack)
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aaronpk feel free to update the page
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@CaptainKurtis @HerraBRE have you heard of such a thing in indieweb land, @kylewmahan? (twitter.com/_/status/796024205498142720)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I Voted ??" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-08 http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/08/i-voted/
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@ChrisAldrich I Voted ?? http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/08/i-voted/ A proposal for an #IndieWeb post type with #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/796028291538972672)
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@kevinmarks “the idea that anybody can add a page to the web was a fundamental, ground-breaking innovation” - @seldo http://seldo.com/weblog/2013/09/04/why_i_am_a_web_developer #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/796032044732006400)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“the idea that anybody can add a page to the web was a fundamental, ground-breaking innovation” - @seldo http://seldo.com/weblog/2013/09/04/why_i_am_a_web_developer #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/the-idea-that-anybody-can-add-a-page-to-the
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tantek just had strange failures on gmail, and in the Starbucks App (with it contacting their server). rest of network (e.g. example.com, tantek.com, https://google.com/ ) working "fine".
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@kevinmarks Call for Proposals "Personal digital archives & why they matter to individuals, communities, & orgs" https://library.stanford.edu/projects/personal-digital-archiving-2017/call-proposals #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/796080344449417216)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Call for Proposals "Personal digital archives & why they matter to individuals, communities, & orgs" https://library.stanford.edu/projects/personal-digital-archiving-2017/call-proposals #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/call-for-proposals-personal-digital-archives-why-they-matter-to
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tantek ok let's see if I can hack my site to put up a banner like Google Maps has
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tantek WITHOUT needing any JS of course :P
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aaronpk i bet you can even make it slide in with some fancy css!
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GWG Afternoon
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tantek aaronpk - heh - just going for some simple position:fixed overlay on top of everything
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tantek last time I used this (hack) was for the SOPA/PIPA protest!
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tantek so now I'm turning it into an actual configurable feature
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tantek date + markup
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tantek what is a one day banner?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "one day banner" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek soon Loqi, soon
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tantek one day banner feature deployed! with encouragement to vote
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tantek boom, deployed and blogged about it - http://tantek.com/2016/313/t3/new-site-feature-one-day-banner-electionday
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] New site feature: one-day banner (re-purposed one-off SOPA/PIPA protest code) for #ElectionDay. Code to copy: (somewhere right after your start <body> tag should work) <a style="position:fixed;left:0;right:0;top:0;background:rgb(64,117,233);padding:...
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tantek with HTML to copy & paste to make your site do it too
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tantek what is a one day banner?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "one day banner" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek one day banner is a feature on some sites where they show a banner at or near the top of the page as a call to action for something for that day in particular, like a protest or an election. IndieWeb Examples: {{t}} on tantek.com for 2016-313 US Election day. Corp examples: [[Google Maps]], [[Gmail]] (Election day 2016).
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Loqi ok
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tantek who will be the next indieweb example for one day banner?
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ben_thatmustbeme i just missed guy fawkes day too
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ben_thatmustbeme heh
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jonnybarnes just fixed an issue on my site where the in-reply-to link was empty
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jonnybarnes re-sent the two webmentions
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jonnybarnes now I’ve fixed it
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gRegorLove This American Life (radio show/podcast) has this new thing to share clips of episodes more easily, called Shortcut: https://twitter.com/ThisAmerLife/status/796076461341999104
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@ThisAmerLife .@iraglass on what's been alarming to him about this year’s election. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/599/seriously https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwwzgzmUcAA5kh3.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/796076461341999104)
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gRegorLove It's pretty cool, but appears geared mainly towards Twitter / FB, no embed code for your own site.
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gRegorLove You can download the mp4 though, so if you want to host it too, guess you could.
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gRegorLove https://shortcut.thisamericanlife.org/
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KevinMarks https://mastodon.social/users/kevinmarks/updates/63913
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[benatwork] The shortcut code is open source, so theoretically we could add that (and other things)
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KevinMarks they make videos on s3 https://shortcut-videos.s3.amazonaws.com/601_754.55_8.800000000000068_e44226.mp4
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KevinMarks and if I go back and change it I get a new rendered video https://shortcut-videos.s3.amazonaws.com/601_754.55_12.830000000000041_e44226.mp4
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KevinMarks anyone would think quicktime hadn't solved edit by reference 25 years ago.
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KevinMarks looks like the files still exist on the s3; maybe they flush them once they have been uploade to fb/twitter
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KevinMarks_ What does 422 mean from pubsubhubbub?
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KevinMarks_ !tell aaronpk,julien not sure why mastodon and superfeedr don't work with PubSub.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel KevinMarks_: according to superfeedr docs that's code for "subscription failure, check response body for details"
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sknebel which isn't terribly helpful without the details ;)
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KevinMarks_ https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron/updates/64002
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KevinMarks_  I had to make an account to find out what's wrong. It's a pubsub.rocks bug. Instead of using your input as hub.topic, it takes the first "self" link from the feed and uses that. In our case, it takes a "self" of the first individual entry.
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aaronpk that's not a bug
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Loqi aaronpk: KevinMarks_ left you a message 9 minutes ago: not sure why mastodon and superfeedr don't work with PubSub.
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KevinMarks_ Spec interpretation issue?
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KevinMarks_ Should this be in github?
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aaronpk it is
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KevinMarks_ I mean, should I file a bug on mastodon so you can comment?
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aaronpk trying to find it on pubsub
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aaronpk https://github.com/w3c/pubsub/pull/46
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KevinMarks_ So he's missing a feed Level self?
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aaronpk yeah
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: Yeah, I tried embedding the mp4 from s3 in a <video> but it wouldn't play.
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gRegorLove Opening the mp4 directly it prompted to download, as expected.
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