#indieweb 2016-11-07

2016-11-07 UTC
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miklb perks up at mention of Jekyll ;-)
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gRegorLove What's Rachel's domain that's propagating, if she doesn't mind sharing?
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[mikirk] Jekyll was mentioned quite a few times today in fact.
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tantek Chris: using android
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tantek opened @t
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tantek wants to own his likes
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tantek shows his Android viewing twitter.com/t
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tantek clicks to "share" icon for that tweet
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tantek it goes to a "URL Forwarder" Android App
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tantek it goes to creating a like on his Known
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tantek his Known automatically POSSEs to Twitter
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tantek so now his like shows up on Twitter as well
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KartikPrabhu very cool
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KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich++
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 6 karma in this channel (8 overall)
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KartikPrabhu doesn't known use "Convoy" and not Bridgy publish?
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tantek Chris: the amounts of likes and such I do since this has tripled
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KartikPrabhu URl forwarder might be https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.daverix.urlforward&hl=en
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ChrisAldrich I'm Tantek and my site is Tantek.com
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ChrisAldrich I got one thing done which has been bothering me for a while
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ChrisAldrich I had been using google search on my website
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ChrisAldrich I wanted to see search results in date order, but google seems to have broken this feature.
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ChrisAldrich for a search box to show 0 results was just awful
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ChrisAldrich I've been using Duck duck Go as my default in my browser
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ChrisAldrich I switched to it for my site search now
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ChrisAldrich Google used to be fast for search and it seems like they backslid
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ChrisAldrich duckduck go shows emoji in search results
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ChrisAldrich and google doesn't
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ChrisAldrich duck duck go also shows author icons in search while google doesn't
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ChrisAldrich overall it's a better user experience
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ChrisAldrich google wants to add a lot of javascript just to do a google search
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gRegorLove Also in general search, if you click on that icon it changes it to a site-specific search
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ChrisAldrich Google search doesn't do timebased search for the past few months
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ChrisAldrich google doesn't support iso dates either
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KartikPrabhu might be location dependent
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ChrisAldrich Duckduckgo also has an html version of their search and the search result goes directly to the page
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ChrisAldrich Something has gone wrong with web development engineering compared to 15 years ago and there's no real excuse for it.
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ChrisAldrich We all benefit for faster websites.
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aaronpk i can give a demo!
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KartikPrabhu related point is the overloaded "dynamic templates" in Blogger
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KartikPrabhu lot of JS bloat for simple blogs
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ChrisAldrich Hi I'm Asher Silberman and my site is localhost:8000 (I don't have a permanent copy up yet :) )
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GWG aaronpk: I posted a link to the hangout.
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ChrisAldrich I've built in jekyll using flat files which I've used from the wiki
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GWG If you want to join the Livestream
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aaronpk GWG: thanks, trying to find it
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ChrisAldrich I created a sample post and have some links with rel-me
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GWG Whatever account you used to get into Indiewebcamp on Youtube
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GWG One second
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GWG Tried that
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aaronpk got it
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ChrisAldrich Hi, I'm David Shanske, and my site is www.davidshanske.com
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ChrisAldrich There was recntly an update for micropub for WordPress and it broke some other IndieWeb WordPress plugins
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ChrisAldrich I'm using quill to micropub to my site.
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ChrisAldrich I got some of the necessary changes to some of the wordpress workflow so that micropub works better.
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ChrisAldrich Bridgy Publish plugin now works again
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ChrisAldrich Hello Asher!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk is showing up for 1 frame like a ghost in a movie
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ChrisAldrich I also fixed syndication for the Medium wordpress plugin
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gRegorLove ChrisAldrich: Is this the URL Forwarder app you use? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.daverix.urlforward&hl=en
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ChrisAldrich Hi I'm aaronpk (remote via hangouts) and my site is https://aaronparecki.com/
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gRegorLove Hi aaronpk!
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ChrisAldrich [pause for crazy tech issues]
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GWG Good
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GWG I'm muting us
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GWG We can see your screen
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KartikPrabhu works
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ChrisAldrich I'm going to use the publisher test
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gRegorLove Works on YT live
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ChrisAldrich http://pubsub.rocks/publisher
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KartikPrabhu damn! realtime!!!
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ChrisAldrich It delivered the latest version of my homepage though I haven't done anything pretty with it.
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ChrisAldrich Showing Test your subscriber functionality
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ChrisAldrich Woodwind.xyz wasn't quite as real-time as I wanted.
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ChrisAldrich I'm going to use this website to test itself.
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ChrisAldrich It's nearly instantaneous
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ChrisAldrich That's the beginning of testing publishers and subscribers.
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ChrisAldrich aaronpk gets a major round of applause
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gRegorLove aaronpk++ awesome work
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Loqi aaronpk has 436 karma in this channel (1134 overall)
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ChrisAldrich two actually so he could hear the second round
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++ awesome realtime stuff
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Loqi aaronpk has 437 karma in this channel (1135 overall)
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aaronpk it's pretty crazy! I hope that made sense! it's a little hard to wrap your head around
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KevinMarks Looks great, aaronpk
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gRegorLove waves
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KartikPrabhu good demos and IWC
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ChrisAldrich Goodnight and goodbye from IndieWebCamp LA
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Loqi ciao
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aaronpk goodbye!
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aaronpk great job everyone!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: do you use websockets for the live updating stuff?
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: EventSource actually, even simpler
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KartikPrabhu any documentation link?
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aaronpk https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/EventSource
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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aaronpk and on the server side I use https://github.com/wandenberg/nginx-push-stream-module which means i don't have to write any code for it
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KartikPrabhu cool
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tantek packing up here in LA
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KartikPrabhu ChrisAldrich: I'd be up for discussing the use-case of scientific papers and annotation/marginalia sometime
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@ChrisAldrich Good night Santa Monica. Thank you #indieweb! https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/795434065981751300/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/795434065981751300)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Good night Santa Monica. Thank you #indieweb!" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-07 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/good-night-santa-monica-thank-you-indieweb
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@hirokiky whaaa / Does not support SVG images https://indieweb.org/The-Open-Graph-protocol%23Does_not_support_SVG_images (twitter.com/_/status/795461141598064640)
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GWG snarfed, my plugins are now patched to play nice with Micropub 1.0
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snarfed GWG: yay thanks!
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Loqi ?
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GWG snarfed, more to do, but this was enough to allow me to do it in the future
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Loqi [indieweb] "The road to Indie Web Camp LA" by Jeremy Keith on 2016-11-07 https://medium.com/@adactio/the-road-to-indie-web-camp-la-9936ce7b753?source=rss-------1
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Loqi [indieweb] "The road to Indie Web Camp LA" by Jeremy Keith on 2016-11-07 https://medium.com/@adactio/the-road-to-indie-web-camp-la-9936ce7b753?source=rss------hacking-5
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Loqi [indieweb] "The road to Indie Web Camp LA" on 2016-11-07 https://adactio.com/journal/11479
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Loqi [indieweb] "The road to Indie Web Camp LA" by Jeremy Keith on 2016-11-07 https://medium.com/@adactio/the-road-to-indie-web-camp-la-9936ce7b753?source=rss-5271293d8452------2
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@hardfire now that i can post tweets, next step is to setup brid.gy and #webmentions #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/795486017998483457)
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@roderichsehn1 The Web Presence has just been updated! https://t.co/rTVrZCRZDJ Thanks to @UNC_GradSchool @PolyglotDesigns @BizProfiles1 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794877645213339649)
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petermolnar it's official: emoji is trying to take over the world and eliminate the need for words: http://blog.emojipedia.org/ios-10-2-emoji-first-look-shrug-fingers-crossed-face-palm/ ( /me is a little shocked that we have all these and still not a wifi or an rss unicode char... )
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cweiske are emojis the newspeak from 1984?
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petermolnar svg icon question: I've been trying to replace my font based icons, but I'm failing, and I have a few questions; maybe someone can point me to the right direction.
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petermolnar so requirements: scale with line height, get color of line applied to them
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petermolnar the first I can do by using the svg as background image for a :before, but then I lose the second
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petermolnar the second I could achive by using the SVG as content, but then I seem to lose the first
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petermolnar so, how do I get both? :)
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j4y_funabashi \o/
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petermolnar https://twitter.com/search?q=%23turkey%20blocking&src=tyah - this would be a good time to create encrypted personal xmpp apps on phones, using the phone numbers as ids;
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petermolnar sorry, that's an #indiechat topic
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sknebel petermolnar: I think with unicode and emoji there is a bit of a mismatch. everything non-emoji is supposed to be used in "text", emojis are more "everything goes"
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petermolnar I'm going to disagree there: http://unicode-table.com/en/search/?q=speaker
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petermolnar "Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs" range
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petermolnar and we have 7 icons just for speakers
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petermolnar yet not a single one for wifi, bluetooth, rss, or similar
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cweiske speakers have been existing for 100 years
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cweiske wifi and bluetooth are just to new :)
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petermolnar riiight :D
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cweiske s/to/too/
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petermolnar I do remember my laptop from ~2003 which needed an additional module or a pcmcia card to have wifi
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petermolnar so yeah, too new
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petermolnar \/s
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sknebel these are the rules I meant: http://www.unicode.org/pending/symbol-guidelines.html , especially the section "The 'symbol fallacy'"
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sknebel on the other hand, for examples how to get missing symbols into unicode: http://unicodepowersymbol.com/we-did-it-how-a-comment-on-hackernews-lead-to-4-%C2%BD-new-unicode-characters/ and http://www.righto.com/2016/10/inspired-by-hn-comment-four-half-star.html
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cweiske the last link indicates that as long the symbol is frequently used in flowing text, it can be added
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petermolnar this doesn't make any sense to me; why then 'canoe' or a bunch of different teachers becoming icons when they are never, ever used as signs in written text?
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sknebel cweiske: exactly, but I can't remember ever seeing a RSS icon or wifi icon in flowing text. always just written out RSS oder Wifi/WLAN/Wireless LAN. But examples certainly could exist
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sknebel petermolnar: as non-emoji? They have completely different rules for those, but clearly exclude Logos/non-physical things from what can be an emoji
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petermolnar http://unicode-table.com/en/#miscellaneous-symbols-and-pictographs - this should be the place for them
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petermolnar or http://unicode-table.com/en/#supplemental-symbols-and-pictographs
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petermolnar because the previous looks to be full
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petermolnar nice, there is a hack to use the ᛒ rune :D
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cweiske wtf "Man In Business Suit Levitating" ?
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petermolnar for bluetooth: https://stackoverflow.com/a/30790429
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petermolnar cweiske that's what I'm talking about; we have those, and not a fekin wifi signal icon
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sknebel the unicode site is really bad at being searchable... I just tried to find any trace of previous attempts to include those, couldn't find any, but since that's all PDF documents and no nice index...
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" on 2016-11-07 http://calagator.org/events/1250471081
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX on Wednesday, Nov 9, 6:30pm at Ankeny Tap and Table
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@DonaldBMcIntosh Zero-rating hits the UK and Facebook tightens its grip. Users will pay to visit your #indieweb site. Fair? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/07/virgin_goes_4g_with_zero_rated_facebook_and_whatsapp/ (twitter.com/_/status/795639493667815424)
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sknebel petermolnar: someone at least got started on a proposal for RSS, but didn't finish or submit it it seems: https://github.com/vhf/unicode-syndication-proposal
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jonnybarnes yay, my site passes the send part of the webmention.rocks test
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jonnybarnes and the updte test
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jonnybarnes do I need to pass the delete test as well to submit an implementation report?
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ben_thatmustbeme you can submit an implementation report with 1 test passing if you want
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ben_thatmustbeme its up to no
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ben_thatmustbeme s/no/you/
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jonnybarnes okay :)
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ben_thatmustbeme https://webmention.net/implementation-reports/summary/
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ben_thatmustbeme many don't have delete working
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ben_thatmustbeme i really need to fix up my discovery algo
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm clearly the worst on that page
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jonnybarnes hmmm, my website code doesn’t have a fancy name, the code is at jonnybarnes/jonnybarnes.uk on github
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm
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ben_thatmustbeme you can always give it a fancy name
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ben_thatmustbeme or just name it "fancyname"
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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sl007 Good morning/afternoon/whatever everyone ! Wanted to say thanks again to the attendees of IWC Berlin. Sorry, I could not follow IWC LA yet (assignment/story about coercion of a policemen, now I needed sleep) - just wanted to add what I totally forgot to say about the demo : The reason why the 2nd h-card did not show is because my module did http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-h-card-parsing - and the card did not mention the p
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Loqi representative-h-card-parsing
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@grantpotter Webmention Rocks! is a validator to help you test your Webmention implementation https://webmention.rocks/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/795656298536767489)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Webmention Rocks! is a validator to help you test your Webmention implementation https://webmention.rocks/ #indieweb" by Grant Potter on 2016-11-07 http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/webmention-rocks-is-a-validator-to-help-you-test-your
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@grantpotter Webmention Rocks! is a validator to help you test your Webmention implementation #indieweb https://webmention.rocks/ (twitter.com/_/status/795656637348544513)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Webmention Rocks! is a validator to help you test your Webmention implementation #indieweb" by Grant Potter on 2016-11-07 https://webmention.rocks/
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@sl007 @lyssaslounge This printed appeal was tabled @ IndieWebCamp - back now. Saying THANKYOU MOZILLA for sponsoring https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? !!! (twitter.com/_/status/795666889582247936)
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jonnybarnes what is a fragment?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fragment" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jonnybarnes from the implementation report: “Ignores fragment when checking if target is supported (SHOULD)”
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jonnybarnes implementation report submitted
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sknebel jonnybarnes: I think that means the URL fragment, the thing behind the #
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@dasnuf Herr @diplix es gibt in ihrer Fangemeinde großen Bedarf nach einem Artikel, der das Indieweb Plugin und die Konfiguration näher beschreibt. (twitter.com/_/status/795682948435636224)
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[shaners] https://twitter.com/kraykray/status/795657421578534912
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@kraykray just learned that .rip is a TLD. can @internetarchive or someone use this for copies of sites that disappear? e.g. http://vine.rip/ (twitter.com/_/status/795657421578534912)
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EGjvSjYTQBJbqywH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E & https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893, https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23561, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL & https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774 (ctrl+f qatar) - please don't let these be buried
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KartikPrabhu that is some spam
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jmelesky perhaps it was intended for #indievoter ?
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KartikPrabhu looks more like an attempt to spam a lot of channels, from the quick log in-post-log out
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aaronpk i saw that one in another channel the other day
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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Salt hi gRegorLove
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Salt I'm back stateside :D
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Salt need to start on the slidedeck for Friday
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gRegorLove Hey Salt
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gRegorLove Unfortunately I'm not going to make it to SeaGL
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Salt awwr!
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gRegorLove Salt: Will there be video of your talk?
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[kevinmarks] Petermolnar: you can scale inline svg by using em - I do it in my tickmark thing. <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" height="1em" style="vertical-align:text-bottom"
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tantek good day #indieweb!
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Salt gRegorLove, yeah, we are trying to record everything this year