#indieweb 2016-11-10

2016-11-10 UTC
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tantek there appears to be a pattern of people rejecting Twitter, then saying "join me on (this other silo)"
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tantek e.g. ello
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tantek then the mastodon.social instance of mastodon
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tantek are there others?
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tantek is this a broader pattern that needs naming? silo to silo jumping?
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KartikPrabhu does't this happen with every new silo?
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KartikPrabhu "join me on FB" instead of on Orkut and so on
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tantek KartikPrabhu: not every, just the tweet-like clones
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tantek I vaguely remember old pitches to "join me on identica" instead of Twitter from folks
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tantek this is a subtle specific variant of a monoculture bias
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tantek of jumping from one silo to another likely monoculture
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tantek what is ello?
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Loqi Ello is microblogging silo similar to Twitter or Tumblr for posting short status update notes and pictures https://indieweb.org/Ello
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tantek anyway I added some context to the criticism of Mastodon.social in that regard (people pitching it on twitter as an alternative to join - the site, rather than the software)
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@jkphl Leaving Berlin after 5 successful days of @indiewebcamp'ing, running https://accessibility-club.org/ & enjoying @btconf. It… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/796594753546625025 (twitter.com/_/status/796594753546625025)
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KartikPrabhu is there an indieweb analog of "someone is typing a comment" that happens on FB?
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aaronpk I was thinking about that too!
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 9 hours, 13 minutes ago: the robots s/value/content/ patch would be very helpful, too
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aaronpk Like a pre webmention webmention
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aaronpk could just model it off the slack API, their implementation is good
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KartikPrabhu i mean is it a good UI in the first place?
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KartikPrabhu I find it annoying when it says "someone is typing" and nothing happens
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Salt jkphl's presentation is really good...
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@altsalt @jkphl working on an #IndieWeb 101 presentation and ran across your slide-deck, Great Work! #FLOSS #SpeakerLife @seagl @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/796607779230404608)
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@jkphl @altsalt Glad you like it! Please use it if you want to, it's free! ;) +@seagl @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/796608121024159744)
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Salt aaronpk, Teacup looks fun, once the madness settles I will have to give it a go.
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cweiske hm. http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/ has 128k documents indexed (140mib db size) and is just at 2016-02 (crawling backwards in time)
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: thinking more about pre-mention (yes I am making up a name because everyone is) here is an idea; 1. micropub client pre-fetches the webmention endpoint of the post being replied to 2. As the poster is typing, the webmention client sends a POST about "someone is typing" 3. the webmention endpoint or other server code then uses "realtime tech" of some sort to update that in the browser ?
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KartikPrabhu does anyone have a UI for @-mentioning people while posting? For example FB pulls up a list (ordered in some priority according to people in the conversation) to select. In FB you can pick the first name or lastname; but possibly one could pick a nickname (?)
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@bubaumann @jkphl you made it! //@indiewebcamp @btconf (twitter.com/_/status/796619758804365313)
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cweiske !tell gregorlove the content of your private posts (like "my-2016-votes") is visible through your page search
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu ruh rho!
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Ruxton logic woopsie :P
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cweiske I wonder if http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/ should use date ordering as default
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cweiske !tell aaronpk #indieweb chat logs don't have "indieweb" in their URL, which makes channel-specific search by filtering on URI impossible
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@matdryhurst @stfumikey @jaakkopallasvuo @infrasonics I mean I've been pushing for a return to blogs forever. Self publish and syndicate! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/796700689288269824)
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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Loqi gRegorLove: cweiske left you a message 7 hours, 45 minutes ago: the content of your private posts (like "my-2016-votes") is visible through your page search
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gRegorLove Oops. Fixed. Thankfully there's nothing super private posted on my site.
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gRegorLove I might recommend disclosures like that not be public though :)
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[schmarty] indie responsible disclosure?
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indieweb
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 7 hours, 31 minutes ago: #indieweb chat logs don't have "indieweb" in their URL, which makes channel-specific search by filtering on URI impossible
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aaronpk that's an interesting point
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KartikPrabhu anyone heard of the EU lintax stuff? https://openmedia.org/en/what-heck-ancillary-copyright-and-why-do-we-call-it-link-tax
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KartikPrabhu *LinkTax
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Loqi [indieweb] "If you do a google search for bookmarklet and Quill you'll find some javascript stuff for making posting a tad easier with it, though I" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-10 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/if-you-do-a-google-search-for-bookmarklet-and-quill
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ben_thatmustbeme needs to get back to the UI on inkstone
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ben_thatmustbeme been distracted writing a pubsub hub
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gRegorLove What is inkstone?
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Loqi InkStone (formerly MobilePub) is a web app for posting various items to your website using micropub https://indieweb.org/inkstone
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miklb I'm trying to explain mf2 to someone, is there a parser online that I can use to give an example of one of my posts to demo?
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KartikPrabhu http://pin13.net/mf2/
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miklb KartikPrabhu thanks
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miklb working on adding webmentions to Habari :-)
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KartikPrabhu what is Habari?
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Loqi Habari is a php based blogging platform based on OOP and MVC architecture https://indieweb.org/Habari
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miklb I might need to give a better description for that lol
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KartikPrabhu and add a indieweb examples section if you are using it on your site
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miklb I'm not. I currently use Jekyll, but if I can get WM into Habari, I probably will switch back, then will definitely add it to the wiki
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miklb Habari was all but dormant, but me and another dev are trying to revive it
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miklb current discussion is whether to extend the core pingback plugin or have a separate WM plugin. I'm advocating for extending pingback and use that as fall back.
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gRegorLove Worth documenting there, in case others come across it and are interested as well.
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miklb good idea
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@barryf Transformative: my new #indieweb software: https://barryfrost.com/2016/11/transformative (twitter.com/_/status/796780455425179648)
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gRegorLove A really frustrating UX thing for me on FB: If it's a photo post, it defaults to the "theater" UI where the photo is big and the comments are off the side. Doesn't work well when the comments become lengthy (and are really more of the focus).
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gRegorLove This specifically was a screenshot of some text information and it spawned an in-depth conversation.
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aaronpk yeah srsly
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KartikPrabhu how would the one distinguish between those cases?
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KartikPrabhu they both have an image and comments. for photos that people mostly seem to post on FB the theatre view seems fine
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aaronpk is it a screenshot vs photo thing?
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KartikPrabhu i think gRegorLove wants the comment discussion to be more emphasised. But for majority of photos/images I have seen posted on FB the comments are not interesting at all
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KartikPrabhu mostly comments are "wow", or "nice pic" or something
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gRegorLove I honestly just wish there was a permalink that's always in the FB feed view, and then click the photo to open in theater view.
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gRegorLove I used to be able to manually take off the "&theater" from the URL and it worked, but it's redirecting to it now.
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KartikPrabhu yeah makes sense
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gRegorLove I ended up going to the person's stream and scrolling down so it was easier to read.
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KartikPrabhu URL shows you the post and clicking photo shows the photo
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Loqi [indieweb] "@barryf Test Webmention : Transformative is a microblogging engine that powers barryfrost.com. It's written in Ruby and supports several key IndieWeb technologies as detailed below." by Rick Mendes on 2016-11-10 https://www.rmendes.net/2016/barryf-test-webmention-transformative-is-a-microblogging-engine-that-powers
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Loqi [indieweb] "@barryf Test Webmention : Transformative is a microblogging engine that powers barryfrost.com. It's written in Ruby and supports several key IndieWeb technologies as detailed below." by Rick Mendes on 2016-11-10 https://rmendes.net/2016/barryf-test-webmention-transformative-is-a-microblogging-engine-that-powers
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benwerd Funding for open source projects in the interest of society: https://www.nlnet.nl/news/2016/20161201-call-en.html
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KevinMarks !tell miklb unmung.com is good for demoing microformats as it has multiple views based on parsing them. (I should make the UI of it better)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb ah, right I've seen you use links, didn't realize it had a UI to parse your own URLs. Thanks!
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KevinMarks The indiecard and storycard ones are good for bloggy sites
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KevinMarks The indiecard one has a good h-recipe mode too
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@RikMende Snapshot a week of #indieweb related keywords https://twitter.com/RikMende/status/796816682459217920/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/796816682459217920)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Snapshot a week of #indieweb related keywords" by Rick Mendes on 2016-11-10 https://www.rmendes.net/2016/snapshot-a-week-of-indieweb-related-keywords
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@jkphl Pics of today's #a11yclub #5 + last weekend's @indiewebcamp to follow shortly! Treating myself to a bit of a rest now. Say, until tmrrw. ;) (twitter.com/_/status/796834741395869696)
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@kevinmarks @christi3k Come on over to http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/796861994242453504)
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