#indieweb 2016-11-11

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@malcolmblaney @HerraBRE @CaptainKurtis you should! then join us at http://indieweb.org in trying to solve the right problems ;-) (twitter.com/_/status/796882995021893632)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Because you're on Known, you're definitely sending webmentions (presuming you're using the default set up), but it may be the case that gRegorLove isn't accepting" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-11 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/because-youre-on-known-youre-definitely-sending-webmentions-presuming-youre
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gRegorLove Evening, indieweb
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GWG Hello, friend gRegorLove
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miklb evening everyone
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gRegorLove How's it going, GWG?
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GWG Been a bit stressed post return from LA. Need to get things under control so I can get back to things I enjoy doing.
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GWG Like writing location code I've been working on for 2 years.
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gRegorLove Could I get a Known webmention or two on https://gregorlove.com/2016/11/testing-receiving-webmentions-from-known/ (and an indie site webmention or two)
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Testing receiving webmentions from Known and other indieweb sites.
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gRegorLove I'm wondering if TheGillies's webmentions not coming through / not sent is because posting to Known via micropub?
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miklb gRegorLove did mine not come through?
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gRegorLove Nothing logged. Hmm.
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gRegorLove From Known or indie site?
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miklb indie site
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miklb I used Quill -> micropub -> Jekyll
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miklb looking at my logs now
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miklb here's the post https://miklb.com/social/2016/11/11/9689/
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Loqi [Michael Bishop] Here’s a webmention posted through Quill to Jekyll
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miklb appears it was sent
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gRegorLove Did you get an HTTP 202?
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miklb my logs aren't that robust. Just caches to static file the sent mention
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gRegorLove Ah. Hm.
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miklb and Safari Tech Preview is crashing on TravisCI site so can't look at the raw output of the build
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gRegorLove Manually sent it from http://hurl.it this time and it worked.
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gRegorLove Both my manual tests are showing up in my logs, too. My logs are pretty good, but maybe I'll try turning them up to 11
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Loqi [indieweb] "Distributed Verification" by Kevin Marks on 2016-09-23 https://medium.com/indie-web/distributed-verification-3934f7f391fe?source=rss----3649a13d4c2f---4
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mblaney gRegorLove looks ok to me, got 202 and message: Webmention from unicyclic.com queued for processing.
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gRegorLove Cool. Seeing that on my end too.
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miklb I can't speak to how robust my webmention sending is. It works with bridgy, but that's about the extent that I've used it lately
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gRegorLove About the only thing I didn't have covered by logs is requests that aren't application/x-www-form-urlencoded. I'm logging those now so we'll see what happens.
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-11.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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GWG gRegorLove: How do you log your webmentions?
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gRegorLove I log a human-friendly message, the IP, and the POSTed parameters.
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GWG The human friendly message is, out of curiosity?
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gRegorLove There's many. Depends how you mess up your webmention. :)
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GWG gRegorLove: Some examples?
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gRegorLove Webmention “source” parameter is missing.
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gRegorLove Webmention “source” parameter is not a valid URL.
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gRegorLove Same for target, vouch, etc.
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gRegorLove It's the same message returned in the response body
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gRegorLove Search 'webmentions-received' on https://github.com/gRegorLove/ProcessWire-Webmention/blob/master/Webmention/Webmention.module
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GWG I was trying to figure out translations and webmention error messages.
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gRegorLove That should be pretty easy on WordPress
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GWG Should your webmention error messages be localized?
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gRegorLove Sure. People can always submit translation files.
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gRegorLove Mine aren't yet, but it's on my list.
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GWG It is. But if I mentioned an endpoint and I couldn't understand the response, I don't know what to do.
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gRegorLove What are the chances you're mentioning a URL in a language you don't understand? :)
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gRegorLove If a site's all German, I'd expect their endpoint to respond in German too.
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GWG gRegorLove: Good point
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gRegorLove Whoa, 7:40. No wonder I'm hungry. Time for food.
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mblaney !tell shaners I like your new logo design, but not sure about moving from 2d to 3d.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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mblaney I've been experimenting with just modifying your existing logo for indiewebcamp, here's my 3rd iteration: http://svgur.com/s/G5
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Loqi indieweb http://svgur.com/i/G5.svg
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Salt mblaney, that's pretty cool, I would trim off the bottom left corner of the I, will avoid it looking like a B and make the W more pronounced
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mblaney thanks Salt, yeah I think it
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mblaney it's probably a bit too abstract, but I like it more than the last two I came up with.
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Salt personally I really like it, would like to see that corner cut to see if that works, but yeah...great direction
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Salt mblaney, ++
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Salt mblaney++
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mblaney cool! I'll have a play with it.
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mblaney also, while your here, noticed you mentioned LCA the other day? I could be convinced to head down to Hobart if there's enough of an indieweb contingent going...
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Salt alas my two talks and miniconf proposal were not accepted
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Salt was hoping to do IWC:Hobart
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Salt going to be talking to someone over the next couple of days and seeing if I can get speaker funds for helping run their miniconf
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Salt back to working on this presentation... giving it in the morning and have to finish at least 7 more slides
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Salt I may be reading off of my notes a bit... at least our recording solution for this year is slides+audio :P
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mblaney oh well it's a great conference if anyone wants to pay to go, was discussing going with a friend already.
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Salt mblaney, would love to, infact have an offer of someone to stay with, but can't swing the flight cost
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@christi3k @retornam Right, we have to make tools people actually need and can use. I'm not talking usual indieweb stuff here. (twitter.com/_/status/797000153563435008)
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Salt one more slide and my deck should be ready for tomorrow! (today, ugh have to be up in less than 5 hours)
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@altsalt Yeah... so I just finished my #SlideDeck for the #IndieWeb talk following our keynote. Soon to sleep, then setup… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/797015832719044609 (twitter.com/_/status/797015832719044609)
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Salt g'night all
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@jkphl Just realized that @justb3a, @webgefrickel, @gglnx & I did all the same events in Berlin! ✋ (@indiewebcamp https://accessibility-club.org/ @btconf) (twitter.com/_/status/797024265254170624)
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@gglnx @jkphl @tollwerk Nicht komplett richtig. Hab das @IndieWebCampDE leider verpasst. (twitter.com/_/status/797026677536813056)
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@webgefrickel @jkphl @justb3a @gglnx @indiewebcamp @btconf @tollwerk I have no problems with groupies ;) (twitter.com/_/status/797027560202862592)
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Loqi [indieweb] "This ability that you can comment any site from your own site is undervalued ! benefits: both can keep a track of the conversation while still" by Rick Mendes on 2016-11-11 https://www.rmendes.net/2016/this-ability-that-you-can-comment-any-site-from-your
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@koehr_in Oh nooo! I just realised that I missed the #indiewebcamp in #Berlin last weekend :'( (twitter.com/_/status/797070829339086850)
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@davidmead Test #instagram #pesos #indieweb https://www.instagram.com/p/BMrA_qCgAiI/ https://twitter.com/davidmead/status/797073681440788480/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/797073681440788480)
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petermolnar oh, that's neat: http://rmarkdown.rstudio.com/authoring_pandoc_markdown.html#footnotes
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petermolnar this is a rather print friendly way of using links
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petermolnar it also lines up with that article I can't find about clickable urls inline are breaking reading because you tend to follow them
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petermolnar still in search mode
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petermolnar got it: https://medium.com/de-correspondent/links-are-broken-these-three-alternatives-have-improved-our-readers-reading-experience-796c302c8930#.umexg93dg
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aaronpk good morning
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petermolnar morning aaronpk
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@jkphl Oh, just realized I totally forgot @sebastiangreger in this little hall of fame! ✋ +@webgefrickel @justb3a @gglnx @indiewebcamp @btconf (twitter.com/_/status/797128451052474369)
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tantek hello #indieweb
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@genehack Current status: excited to go to "IndieWeb 101: owning your content and identity" @seagl! #seagl (twitter.com/_/status/797146070031560704)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Because Independent Publisher works really well with [IndieWeb technologies](https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/), people interested in this type of functionality might look into Kartik Prabhu's post (and resources) relating" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-11 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/because-independent-publisher-works-really-well-with-indieweb-technologiespluginsindieweb-people
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Loqi [indieweb] "This ability that you can comment any site from your own site is undervalued ! benefits: both can keep a track of the conversation while still" by Rick Mendes on 2016-11-11 https://rmendes.net/2016/this-ability-that-you-can-comment-any-site-from-your
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@genehack Here's a list of stuff I need to check out further, based on @altsalt's IndieWeb talk: IndieAuth (twitter.com/_/status/797151942115926016)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@christi3k I think that’s a false dichotomy. #indieweb tools are more usable to more people every year. A plurality of projects is more sustainable and resilient than silos^1 or monocultures^2. ^1 indieweb.org/silos, e.g. ello.co and before that identi.ca ^2 indieweb.org/monoculture, e.g. tent.io All had hopeful surges of interest, followed by disappointment, shrinking, and eventual abandonment. All such efforts are unsustainable and doomed. No one new site or open source project will solve this. We need to move beyond such “panacea” assumptions, and accept the hard work of a plurality of indieweb/decentralized approaches and solutions that interoperate with open standards. That hard work starts with each one of us who can do it today, not waiting for someone else to build something tomorrow. Help make a difference *today* by starting with yourself, your site, your posting behavior. Set an example, like by posting all your tweets/notes to christiekoehler.com instead of or before posting them to Twitter. And at the same time, help document and raise awareness of what could be better, easier, friendlier, for you, for all users. The https://indieweb.org/ community actively makes user experience a priority for all and is here to help you do all of that (including openly documenting all opportunities for improvement). https://indieweb.org/principles There are already tens of thousands of such indieweb sites that federate with each other today. That number has grown >10x each year since the small handful of us that got federating working among our personal sites in 2013. We are dedicated to continuing to grow, with more projects and better usability across the board, which is how we will reach and empower more people, incrementally, sustainably, each year. https://indieweb.org/generations" on 2016-11-11 http://tantek.com/2016/316/t3/indieweb-tools-more-usable-every-year
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aaronpk oh my
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aaronpk i should really fix that
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@genehack Advanced IndieWeb stuff: IndieMark -- get a score for how indieweb compliant you are (twitter.com/_/status/797154400548495360)
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@t @christi3k I think that’s a false dichotomy. #indieweb tools are more usable to more people every year. A ... http://tantek.com/2016/316/t3 (twitter.com/_/status/797154873859080194)
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@genehack Great question about the message IndieWeb movement has for people that just want to be consumers #seagl (twitter.com/_/status/797155928621490177)
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tantek who wants to "just be a consumer"?!?
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aaronpk plenty of people use twitter just to read things and not tweet
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cweiske my wife just wants to be a tech consumer, not a tech creator
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KartikPrabhu it all depends on what @genehack means by consumer
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@genehack IndieWeb generations -- currently mostly stage 1, creeping into stage 2 seagl #seagl https://www.instagram.com/p/BMroxCpgnkt/ (twitter.com/_/status/797161109312704512)
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@genehack Join the IndieWeb! #seagl https://www.instagram.com/p/BMro0R1AAIq/ (twitter.com/_/status/797161219161522178)
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gRegorLove This might be useful: https://thenotepad.org/posts/flattening-to-html.html
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tantek how does that compare to spiderpig?
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tantek what is spiderpig?
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Loqi Spiderpig is a web crawler for archiving a website as static HTML files https://indieweb.org/Spiderpig
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gRegorLove No idea
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gRegorLove What is archiving?
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Loqi archive in the context of the indieweb refers to date-grouped (often monthly) sets of posts (AKA personal historical archives, a common form of navigation), but can sometimes mean archival copy, a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time https://indieweb.org/archiving
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tantek from a cursory glance, I think spiderpig is more thorough
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tantek since that flattening post recommends wget directly (error prone) and mass editing files from a command line (quite fragile)
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tantek gRegorLove: might be worth capturing as another approach
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tantek at least so we can note how Spiderpig takes care of a bunch of what that post talks about, and in a better way
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cweiske i've been thinking about pagers and I'll implement the same thing that github uses: http://p.cweiske.de/355
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KartikPrabhu numbered paging is weird for blog-type sites.
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tantek Hey Twitter finally started showing reply counts in entry list views!
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KartikPrabhu posts move around a lot
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cweiske it's for the search engine
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tantek cweiske++ for the search engine
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Loqi cweiske has 53 karma in this channel (61 overall)
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: oh that seems fine then
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cweiske KartikPrabhu, I solved the "move around" problem in phorkie (http://p.cweiske.de/list) by having latest posts on the last site
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cweiske so list pages only change if there is something deleted
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tantek there are numbers next to the "reply" icon underneath tweets in lists of tweets, just like the retweet and like icons have numbers next to them
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cweiske but are otherwise stable
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tantek so you can quickly see which posts have replies
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aaronpk ah that flattening post addresses one of the limitations of spiderpig
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: yeah, numbering works for chronological order but not for reverse-chronology. But I still prefer to mark pages by something more permanent like published date or something
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aaronpk spiderpig doesn't handle URLs with query strings really, that post outlines a bunch of things you can do to fix it
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cweiske KartikPrabhu, it also works for reverse chronological - you just have to flip the order of pages
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tantek aaronpk - worth document what that post adds that spiderpig doesn't and vice versa
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cweiske so homepage shows page 23
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cweiske "prev" goes to 22
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cweiske and so on
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cweiske http://p.cweiske.de/list solves this by always showing the latest 10 posts, even if the last page number would not have that much entries
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cweiske (thus shows some from the previous page)
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KartikPrabhu hmm interesting
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aaronpk i've stuck with date offset based URLs for my paging
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aaronpk that way they are actually permalinks themselves
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tantek what is paging?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "paging" yet. Would you like to create it?
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cweiske aaronpk, that does not work for static pages that well
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tantek what is pagination?
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Loqi pagination is a UI pattern for navigation across (typically chronologically) sequential pages that show one or more posts such as permalink post pages, archives, search results, and lists of tagged posts https://indieweb.org/pagination
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aaronpk static?
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tantek paging is /pagination
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Loqi ok
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tantek aaronpk, could you add your date-based pagination as an IndieWeb Example to /pagination ?
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cweiske static as in not-dynamically-generated
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tantek and here I thought dynamic was non-statically-generated ;)
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tantek what is static?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "static" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a static site?
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Loqi A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static-site
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tantek static is /static_site
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk i don't really see why that is different, especially because date-based pagination actually ends up being more "static" than numeric offsets, in that each page stays the same after it's been created
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cweiske ooooooooooooh. phinde is done indexing.
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cweiske http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/status.php
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cweiske 893k documents
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snarfed1 cweiske++ solid corpus
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Loqi cweiske has 54 karma in this channel (62 overall)
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tantek this is quite amazing
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tantek cweiske - wow it's superfast, and by date sort too!
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cweiske I need to switch to date sort by default
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cweiske and I need to add help
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cweiske you can do "nick:tantek"
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cweiske and "-nick:aaronpk"
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cweiske and such
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tantek just tried searching it for "phinde" and it seems only ~3min behind actual chat!
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tantek cweiske is it subscribed to PubSub updates?
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aaronpk ooh if i add pubsub to the site then phinde could subscribe to realtime updates to keep its index up to date
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tantek yes!
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tantek I'm actual quite comforted by the fact that this search index and cache is in Germany (presumably) and not hosted in the US in particular.
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aaronpk hm except there isn't an actual "feed" of lines, because each date is its own permalink
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aaronpk this might be a good use of the "self" value
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cweiske no, I just had it index again after it was done
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cweiske but I actually have the first code for pubsub already :)
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tantek aaronpk - a-ha you'd need an actual "today" page instead of making it a redirect :)
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aaronpk no, i would just need to use the "today" URL as the pubsub "self" value
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tantek then every line could be an item in that h-feed
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tantek oh!
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tantek would that work? would sure make an interesting test!@
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@PowerLlama Here’s my tweetstorm. Go to https://indieweb.org/ and start to own what you put out in the world. Fuck our corporate overlords. (twitter.com/_/status/797167260993396736)
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aaronpk good thing i have a test subscriber now!
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tantek wow
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cweiske until pubsub is done on both sides I'll just add a cron that processes the chat homepage every hour
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cweiske once a day is enough at first
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@kevinmarks @BradleyHolt @heathr @CivicHall That is what a lot of the indieweb work is about - see http://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/797169195385438208)
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@BradleyHolt @kevinmarks @heathr Vast majority of activists are not going to use your indieweb tools. I really, really, want them to, but they’re not. (twitter.com/_/status/797169704867545088)
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cweiske http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/status.php shows index size now. 551mib is ok
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cweiske s/551/541/
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tantek !tell kevinmarks a message like https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/797169195385438208 about POSSE would be more effective if it itself was POSSEd. When @BradleyHolt says https://twitter.com/BradleyHolt/status/797169704867545088 he's right when advocates of those tools don't.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks @BradleyHolt @heathr @CivicHall That is what a lot of the indieweb work is about - see http://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/797169195385438208)
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snarfed cweiske++ phinde is great! also, feature request, downrank bots :P eg http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=bridgy
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Loqi cweiske has 55 karma in this channel (63 overall)
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cweiske I didn't have relevancy problems yet
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cweiske if you find some please tell me
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snarfed cweiske: the link i posted :P
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cweiske ah. http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/index.php?q=bridgy&page=223 is better
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snarfed page=223 ahahahaha
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Loqi hahahaha
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aaronpk hm should I add a newsletter signup to the home page?
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aaronpk at least a link to the newsletter page?
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tantek aaronpk - how do other "movements" or "projects" advertise their newsletter or email for updates?
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tantek perhaps look for a good example to copy
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cweiske aaronpk, if you'd merge https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/pull/29 then http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/index.php?q=bridgy&sort=date would not look that bad
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KartikPrabhu use a modal popup! jk jk
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aaronpk hm where would i find a list of such other movements or projects to draw inspriation from
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tantek aaronpk, what inspires you?
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tantek you are involved with other projects yes? like donutjs?
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aaronpk i need a tag i can use so i can search my bookmarks for that
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tantek aaronpk, start with what other communities do you spend time on?
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tantek that list (of what inspires you) is personal, so it's unlikely to be on the wiki for example
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aaronpk yes, i typically bookmark things like that on my site
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@kevinmarks @t This is a good explanation of the complexity, and a to do list for me to use twitter directly less http://tantek.com/2016/316/t3/indieweb-tools-more-usable-every-year (twitter.com/_/status/797173799472873472)
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Loqi [indieweb] "This is a good explanation of the complexity, and a to do list for me to use twitter directly less http://tantek.com/2016/316/t3/indieweb-tools-more-usable-every-year" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-11 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/this-is-a-good-explanation-of-the-complexity-and-a
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aaronpk woohoo! now Wunderlist is my offline posting client!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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[schmarty] aaronpk - woah, neat! i'm curious how it works. wunderlist notifications to micropub?
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aaronpk I have a specific list in Wunderlist where everything I add there gets posted to my site via micropub
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aaronpk the script checks off the item and adds the post URL as a comment!
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aaronpk It does photos too :-)
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[schmarty] very cool!
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-11.html
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aaronpk great pictures!
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tantek where's IWC MIT2?
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tantek what is MIT2?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "MIT2" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek MIT2 is /2016/MIT2
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk oh it's not on https://indieweb.org/events!
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tantek adding!
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tantek alright added
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tantek and moved recent ones to Recent
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tantek did that work?
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gRegorLove cweiske++ for http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/
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Loqi cweiske has 56 karma in this channel (64 overall)
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gRegorLove !tell cweiske Something weird going on with joins: http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/index.php?q=nick%3Agregor%60&page=2
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks @heathr Webmentions between indieweb sites can be instant, but the bridges to Facebook and Twitter usually rely on… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/797196565328707584 (twitter.com/_/status/797196565328707584)
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gRegorLove Uh oh, encroaching on the *wind namespace: http://winds.getstream.io/
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gRegorLove Looks like a nice onboarding experience so far
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gRegorLove Eh, it's headlines only
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KartikPrabhu but it has AI and all that stuff that really need
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snarfed1 wow, that logo is woodwind's, just reversed and simplified and changed color
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KartikPrabhu that icon for wind is pretty common
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KartikPrabhu see: https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=wind
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tantek like likely from same source, rather than copied?
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aaronpk i think theirs is actually this one reversed https://thenounproject.com/search/?q=wind&i=478290
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tantek huh what happened to the new newsletter
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snarfed tantek: same root source makes sense
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tantek snarfed, trying to think of plausible non-malicious explanation
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snarfed good instinct
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tantek instinct is a bit strong, maybe I'll get there someday, appreciate your optimism :)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-11.html
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tantek orly
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tantek what is Transformative
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Transformative" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk hm why didn't MIT2 get in there
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tantek Transformative is open source indieweb microblogging software created by {{barryfrost}} that supports [[Micropub]], [[microformats2]], and [[Webmention]]. https://barryfrost.com/2016/11/transformative
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [Barry Frost] Transformative
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tantek did I mess something up aaronpk ?
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tantek what is MIT2?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/MIT2
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tantek hmm - has an h-event http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://indieweb.org/2016/MIT2
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aaronpk ooh
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tantek what is MIT2?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/MIT2
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aaronpk there it goes
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aaronpk the /events page had indiewebcamp.com on it
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tantek wat
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aaronpk and apparently my download script doesn't follow redirects
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tantek woot got Transformative in there!
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Loqi ?
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu++ for snark ;)
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Loqi kartikprabhu has 138 karma in this channel (139 overall)
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gRegorLove Oh, that Winds reader also sends you a plaintext password in email you're supposed to change. Boo.
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KartikPrabhu wow what!
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KartikPrabhu i thought we are in 2016
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gRegorLove Right?
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gRegorLove Lulz. Infinite scrolling is making it difficult for me to reach the github link in their footer
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KartikPrabhu maybe if you keep doing it the AI will learn that want the footer
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gRegorLove Dev tools to the rescue
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gRegorLove goes to file github issues
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tantek you can only reach the footer if you turn off JS
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-11.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/797216097904652288/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/797216097904652288)
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TheGillies I've started to use the indieweb as my social network exclusively. It's not even a statement. I'm kinda just over twitter/facebook
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TheGillies Is there a wiki page with people who have indie sites or is irc people the best place to look?
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gRegorLove irc-people is probbaly the easiest
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gRegorLove TheGillies: I just confirmed a bit ago with benwerd that Known has some bugs sending webmentions apparently. Fixes will be coming soon.
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benwerd I have the world's most rock and roll Friday evening ahead of me
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gRegorLove If you want really comprehensive, all the domains that have logged in to the wiki: https://indieweb.org/Special:ListUsers
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gRegorLove benwerd: Coding while listening to AC/DC? :)
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benwerd Leonard Cohen is muuuuuch more likely tonight
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TheGillies gRegorLove: thanks for that link
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miklb any pointers where in wiki for maintaining 2 sites for indieweb presence?
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tantek what is a personal site?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "personal site" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek huh
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tantek what is a personal website?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "personal website" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Lulz
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tantek aaronpk++ on Loqi posting multi-photos to Twitter for the weekly newsletter!
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Loqi aaronpk has 438 karma in this channel (1140 overall)
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tantek ok who is confirmed for hosting HWC next week?
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tantek cities?