#indieweb 2016-12-11

2016-12-11 UTC
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snarfed
evening #indieweb!
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GWG
Evening, snarfed
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@kevinmarks
@aweigend @html5cat it is tricky. We are working on making person tags distributed. And brid.gy propagates them. https://indieweb.org/person-tag
(twtr.io/1L9bnzdKTnC)
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GWG
I'm watching a discussion of the changes to WordPress's release cycle. I am getting more worried about my participation.
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GWG
And my participation usually involves trying to get things that represent my Indieweb philosophy.
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[schmarty]
GWG: can you give us a sense of what's changing?
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GWG
[schmarty]: I'm still vague on some details. I've been trying to get answers. But this is what I know.
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GWG
No set releases in 2017. Maintenance releases will still continue (4.7.1 and so on)
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GWG
But the release cycle will focus on three feature areas that will dictate when they do a major release: REST API, Editor, and Customizer.
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GWG
Now, removing the release cycles in favor of saying that a major feature is going to dictate a release as opposed to an arbitrary date is fine...but what does it do to the smaller improvements I work on? Or trying to get things like webmentions into Core, for example?
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tantek
GWG, I would suggest trying to get webmention+vouch into wp core rather than just webmention.
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GWG
tantek: pfefferle and I haven't gotten to Vouch.
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tantek
GWG, I realize that. I'm looking at it from the perspective of wp core being a much bigger spam target, and thus likely requiring vouch to even be feasible on day 1
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GWG
The next project, other than making some major changes now that Core has the structure we need(came in in 4.7) is to update the Semantic Linkbacks code.
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GWG
Also, we both agree on a deleted posts project
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tantek
great
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GWG
So, my agenda is to finish the Location improvements I want, then make some minor changes elsewhere, then work on that.
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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GWG
Hello, Zegnat
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sknebel
morning Zegnat
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tantek
good morning Zegnat
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Zegnat
Any interesting weekend projects been happening?
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tantek
Zegnat, I've been looking into data export/ownership features of various GPS/running watches
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tantek
I've been using Nike+ Run Club (iOS app) to track my runs, and most recently, it stopped working on Thursday.
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Zegnat
Ah, interesting.
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tantek
It crashed while trying to save my run that morning, and now it just crashes on launch
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tantek
I tried powering off my iPod and it still crashes on launch
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Zegnat
Do you cary the iPod on the run, or are you looking at watches because you would like to leave the iPod behind?
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tantek
so now I need to find an alternative to track my running so I'm looking at various watches since I might as well get something that has GPS, altitude etc.
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tantek
I carry the iPod on my runs (probably still will to take photos)
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GWG
tantek: What is the end goal in tracking it?
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tantek
GWG, there are multiple goals. Long term I like to see how I am progressing. Short term there is a sense of confirmation of accomplishment (which helps reinforce the habit)
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tantek
to know how far I ran in how much time
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[kevinmarks]
Are you looking at Android wear watches? Mine was pretty reliable until the charger was stolen
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Zegnat
Did you try OwnTracks?
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Zegnat
What is OwnTracks?
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Loqi
OwnTracks is an open source app for tracking your location and sharing with others, available on Android and iOS https://indieweb.org/OwnTracks
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GWG
[kevinmarks]: Which one?
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tantek
Zegnat does owntracks keep track of distance traveled over time?
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Zegnat
That was the one glenn was showing, I think in Düsseldorf, for his tracking project. Open-source and could easily send data to your own server.
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tantek
Also I've yet to find an android device I like - e.g. one without a cell antenna, like an android equivalent of an iPod
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tantek
and it looks like the GPS watches are much more accurate (from seeing friends use them)
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Zegnat
I do not fully remember what OwnTracks did or did not track
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tantek
(and they don't require connecting to any other devices in order to function)
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Zegnat
I know glennjones was never happy with OwnTracks on Android because of MQTT, but as you use an iPod I thought it might be an option for you still
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tantek
what is MQTT?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "MQTT" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek
I do remember Glenn's awesome demo
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sknebel
MQTT is (MQ Telemetry Transport), a lightweight pub-sub protocol over TCP most commonly used in IoT applications.
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tantek
what is IoT?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IoT" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk
heh "pubsub"
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tantek
indeed
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sknebel
the iOS version of owntracks supports HTTP as well
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sknebel
What is owntracks?
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Loqi
OwnTracks is an open source app for tracking your location and sharing with others, available on Android and iOS https://indieweb.org/OwnTracks
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aaronpk
hmm at some point i'm going to not want to keep updating my own ios gps tracking app, maybe i should look into owntracks
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Zegnat
Yes, Glenn was using HTTP mode. Android did not have an HTTP option back then (reading the docs, it might be they support it now).
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tantek
just downloaded Strava which lots of my friends use
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Zegnat
aaronpk, this might be relevant for your site: “OwnTracks reports the device's battery level remotely” ;)
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Zegnat
sebsel is on Strava
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tantek
what is Strava?
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[kevinmarks]
Android wear is the watches, not the tablets, tantek.
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tantek
kevinmarks I don't know what that means or how it's relevant
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tantek
I said nothing about a tablet
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[kevinmarks]
I was responding to "an Android device I like"
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[kevinmarks]
Mind you, I haven't tried an android watch with an iOS main device
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Zegnat
Hmm, reading the OwnTracks documentation, it doesn’t seem like they will be able to track runs :( It posts information when the mobile OS tells it you have “moved a significant distance”
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tantek
yeah I vaguely remember that from glenn's demo
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tantek
hm strava requires bday for sign-up. that's annoying
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aaronpk
Zegnat: oh, then that's a dealbreaker for me
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[kevinmarks]
I assume that you want the combination of GPS and WiFi so it works in city and countryside.
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aaronpk
this is the problem with existing GPS apps, none of them work the way I want them to
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tantek
what is a run
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Loqi
exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indieweb.org/run
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aaronpk
Moves is the closest, although even it doesn't provide the resolution I want
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tantek
what is a bicycle?
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Loqi
exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indieweb.org/bicycle
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[kevinmarks]
Google My Tracks used to do that well, but they killed it.
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Zegnat
I was hoping OwnTracks would be able to do offline constant tracking, that I get to upload, but doesn’t look like it.
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Zegnat
Thought don’t take my word for it. You should probably ask Glenn. He has toyed with several apps, he told us over a beer in Brighton.
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aaronpk
Zegnat: yeah my app works well offline, that way I can use it on planes and such
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aaronpk
maybe the solution is to make my app send data in owntracks format and then try to find some more people to help maintain it
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sknebel
Zegnat: if I understand the docs correctly OwnTracks buffers messages it can't send right now
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Zegnat
But you can’t set it to poll more often, sknebel. Looks like it will always run in the background only waking when the OS tells it you moved.
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Zegnat
It might wake and find it can’t send, but that doesn’t help you with accurate run tracking
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aaronpk
there are a half a dozen different settings for how iOS deals with background location, so "when the OS tells you it moved" isn't even the whole story
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Zegnat
aaronpk, sharing your app would be interesting. There might be software like it already, but it looks like their community site will not let me use the search function without signing up for an account.
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tantek
hmm - looks like Strava has updated to work on iPod touch!
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tantek
ok I think I'm going to try out how it records and see what happens
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tantek
it claims "GPS acquired" and I'm like LOL
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tantek
hmm I'm impressed with how much of strava.com works w/o JS
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tantek
logging in, browsing content
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tantek
just the buttons to follow someone, join a "club" etc. seem to require JS
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bignose
#WeDontNeedNoJS
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Zegnat
Hmm, I wish Firefox had implemented the on-bookmark-created event for webextensions
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Zegnat
Is it PESOS when I bookmark a page in my browser using the normal browser tools and then syndicate that bookmark to my website?
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miklb
Zegnat I wouldn't think so. If you bookmarked to something like Pinboard 1st, then your site, that would be more PESOS.
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aaronpk
what is a review?
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Loqi
h-review is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up review posts on web sites https://indieweb.org/review
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aaronpk
hm only one listed example using markup and it now requires login to see
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[kevinmarks]
Does Firefox still store bookmarks as html links in the file system? If so you could watch that file at OS level
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Sebsel
tantek I use Strava and was planing on teaching Bridgy how to use it. API seems good for things. But I'm injured atm, so no running no likes no Bridgy...
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Sebsel
but it's on my list of itches
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Sebsel
or should be.
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Zegnat
[kevinmarks], I just found out that arewewebextensionsyet.com lists the bookmark events for Firefox. So now I am no longer sure, it might just work. Guess I know what I will be working on this week.
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Zegnat
what is WebExtensions?
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Loqi
WebExtensions are a cross-browser way to develop browser add-ons https://indieweb.org/WebExtensions
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Loqi
ok, I added "http://arewewebextensionsyet.com" to the "See Also" section of /WebExtensions
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