#indieweb 2016-12-18

2016-12-18 UTC
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aaronpk *whew* bunch of quill updates pushed
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aaronpk mostly minor bugfixes
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miklb GWG any plans to rebase mf2 and resubmit that pull request? If not, I'm just going to manually apply your changes and start developing a theme
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GWG miklb: I've rebased it five times. No one seems to want to comment on it.
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GWG But I'll be happy to rebase it again.
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miklb would it be easier to create a child theme?
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GWG _s is not designed to be used by itself.
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GWG mf2_s was sort of designed that way.
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GWG The only fully compliant mf2 theme is Sempress.
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GWG Second is Independent Publisher
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miklb ah. Still getting my bearings on where some of this stuff is these days
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GWG I checked the mf2 branch of _s is up to date.
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GWG There hasn't been a commit to _s since September
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miklb thanks for the explanation. I think I'm going to be heavily modifying this anyway, so I'll just use your pull request as blueprint and manually eidit.
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miklb s/eidit/edit/
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GWG _S is meant to be the basis for a theme, not a theme on its own.
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miklb well, I understand that it's unstyled, which is why I thought you could use it as a parent theme framework.
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GWG It's a starter theme, which means it is meant to save you the time of structuring your theme. As opposed to a parent theme, which is meant to be inherited.
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miklb gotcha
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miklb GWG another question if you don't mind. Should I just use the download versions of the indie plugins or set them up as submodules and have access to latest code?
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GWG I would download them and not set them up as submodules.
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GWG But I tend to try to be stable.
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GWG So, I don't put my code on my site...not until its perfect, but until it is at a point.
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miklb understood. I'lll use stable for now, can always change later.
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miklb GWG I'm not seeing basic "note" post kind. Is that just considered an article without a title?
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miklb nevermind. I see it in the dropdown for default type, but not in the select field.
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GWG It should be in the select field. Check the settings for displayed kinds.
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GWG Sorry for the delay, I was teaching my Amazon Echo to pause my TV
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miklb oh, no need to apologize. I appreciate your time.
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miklb I mean on the settings page, the select field for "Select All Kinds You Wish to Use" doesn't include note, so I was confused
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GWG Note should show up. It does on mine, but I haven't done a clean install in a long time.
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GWG Note is showing for me, even when I refresh the settings page.
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GWG It can't be removed.
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miklb https://cdn.miklb.com/Post_Kinds__Miklbs_Mindless_Ramblings__WordPress_2016-12-17_21-37-08.png this multi-select
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GWG Yes, try to add a post, it will be there
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miklb yes. It is also in the dropdown for setting default.
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GWG Yes. But it can't be hidden.
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miklb that's good. I jumped the gun because that multi-select was the 1st place I looked
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GWG Maybe I should note that there
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miklb so to refresh my memory, post-kinds have no relation to post-formats, correct?
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GWG miklb: Same basic design, but no.
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miklb can you have templates for post-kinds?
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GWG I tried initially mapping post kinds to post formats, but instead I built a system that worked the same way, but...
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GWG miklb: If your theme supports it, yes.
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GWG There is a basic templating system in the plugin as well, but I need to improve it
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GWG I don't like the way it works right now
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miklb theme support?
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miklb I mean, I understand the WP add_theme_support() function, but where can I read about the post-kinds theme support
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GWG Well, it will work with most themes in a half-configuration
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miklb hmm. Need to re-evaluate importing options. Loosing the permalink on the posts from micropub that just have a guid instead of a post title
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GWG I'm sorry.
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miklb I think I can fix it. I'm creating an xml file from all of my Jekyll posts and then using the RSS Importer for WP. I just need to write some logic in the xml template that if title is empty, use the "slug" front matter
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miklb just need to look to see where WP is setting post_name in the db.
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GWG In the Codex there is a database entry that goes over the tables
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miklb yeah, it's the slug. I mean in the importer, where can I set that in the xnl
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@davidmead I had a couple of photos not come across 'ownyourgram' @aaronpk. Is there anyway to just grab those? #indieweb #PESOS (twitter.com/_/status/810329069569146880)
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miklb success!
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GWG Huzzah!!?
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miklb indeed. Added <slug> to the xml and mapped that to post_name in the db. Minor edit to the WP RSS Importer
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KartikPrabhu RSS xml should already have id for that no?
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miklb well, I'm creating a custom xml file in Jekyll
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miklb but regardless if it was there or not, the "official" WP RSS Importer wasn't looking for <slug> to import
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KartikPrabhu maybe because <slug> is not a thing in RSS
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KartikPrabhu I think Atom using <id>
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miklb ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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miklb I guess to clarify, the importer wasn't looking for any element in the feed item to map to the post_name, makes assumption everything has a title and slugifies that for that field
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KartikPrabhu updated my JS for generating a UI to get /fragmention from selected text: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/fragmentioner
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KartikPrabhu what is fragmention?
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Loqi A fragmention is an extension to URL syntax that links and cites a phrase within a document by using a URL fragment consisting of the phrase itself, including whitespace https://indieweb.org/fragmention
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bear KartikPrabhu++ for updating tools
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Loqi kartikprabhu has 139 karma in this channel (140 overall)
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bear I just went thru a bunch of small changes to get the indieweb tools for python to support v3.5+
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KartikPrabhu thanks! was motivated after reading adactio's wook https://resilientwebdesign.com/
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bear opens
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KartikPrabhu still hasn't updated to python 3
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bear is not a fan of that "book" format he's using
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KartikPrabhu in what sense?
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bear it's not obvious that I have to do something to see more than the chapter headers
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KartikPrabhu hmm click on them? they are links?
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bear really don't like links that don't *look* like a link
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KartikPrabhu I don't think now-a-days there is anything called "look-like link"
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KartikPrabhu you can style them as you wish
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KartikPrabhu atleast adactio has clear hover states
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bear I wasn't using the mouse at all to view the page
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KartikPrabhu oh interesting wonder if keyborad focus is diff on them
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bear so I missed completely the pointer changed to a little pointy hand finger
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KartikPrabhu keyboarddoes change them from white bg to red bg
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KartikPrabhu but I agree it is not as obvious on keyboard scrolling
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KartikPrabhu I am sure adactio welcomes fedeback of this sort
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bear the enter key should still work - that's part of pure css stuff I don't like
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KartikPrabhu tab+enter does work on those chapter links
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bear ah - and using tab there is a blue box around them
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bear i've been un-trained in using tab by so many other horrible page designs
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bear stops grumping and reads...
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KartikPrabhu that is unfortunate. I have been too since most sites mess up tab order
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KartikPrabhu goes to check his site for tab-order
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KartikPrabhu needs to improve keyboard navigation with marginalis
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bear I am spending tonight doing a bunch of meta cleanup of the various python tools so I don't get sucked down that rabbit hole when I start on my 2017 commitment work :)
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KartikPrabhu hmm i don't have a 2017 commitment yet
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bear sounds like the work your doing above may be a good fit for that
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KartikPrabhu but I already finished it!! :P
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bear :)
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KartikPrabhu my site now shows a nice icon when you select text for the fragmention
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bear one of these days I'll have fancy css stuff for mine :)
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KartikPrabhu will appreciate your input on the UI if you feel like road-testing it: https://kartikprabhu.com/
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bear oh cool - that link icon was very fast and obvious
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bear your site is very easy to read using the keyboard
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KartikPrabhu thanks!
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KartikPrabhu I guess that is because I didn't apply taborder stuff to anything. so it is the default
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KartikPrabhu defaults by default
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bear yep
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bear your typography is super clean and readable
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KartikPrabhu yeah made a few contrast changes recently since KevinMarks was complaining about low contrast trends
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bear :)
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bear the only gotcha I noticed is with your footnotes - they can end up on a different line than the reference if the column width is just right
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KartikPrabhu which page?
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bear https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/equal-height-images-flexbox
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Equal Height Images with Flexbox
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bear I noticed it for footnote #3
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KartikPrabhu cool will test that
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bear ... property<crlf>3 of ...
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bear but that is such a minor point over all
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KartikPrabhu probably should be a nbsp; there
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bear would it wrap differently if the span for reference included the word before?
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KartikPrabhu ha! seems like sometimes I put a space between words and footnote marker and sometimes I don't
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bear ahhh
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bear so it's an errant <sp>
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KartikPrabhu yeah, I think using a non-breaking-space character should work
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bear cool
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KartikPrabhu thanks for pointing this out
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bear glad I could help - as tight as all the other visual details were, that one kinda stood out to me
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KartikPrabhu there definitely are bigger weird things on my site that I should fix
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KartikPrabhu for instance, my responsive images don't know their own height so when they load the page has to repaint
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KartikPrabhu it messes up fragmention for instance
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bear ah - your well past what I would notice with that
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KartikPrabhu maybe I'll do that for my commitment
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KartikPrabhu that and marking up my papers with mf2
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bear now that sounds like a good one
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KartikPrabhu well, I couldn't find mf2 to markup lists of papers such as the ones I have here: https://kartikprabhu.com/papers
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KartikPrabhu there does not exists mf2 for stuff like DOI and all that stuff that science journals use
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bear that sounds helpful to the mf2 scene - what is needed or different for physics
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KartikPrabhu yeah, I have been thinking of making up experimental properties based on some existing uses from paper archiving sites
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KartikPrabhu but that is a deep-dive that needs the holiday season
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bear :)
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bear yea, a good handful of days you can just chew on a single problem
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bear that's why i'm saving websub.rocks work for next week
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KartikPrabhu i also want to figure out how to make HTML from Latex
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bear oooo
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bear there be dragons
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KartikPrabhu there is priort art but most of it is annoyoing
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bear most of it using that annoying but functional haskell package
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KartikPrabhu yeah, I just want to have an HTML version of my papers and my thesis on my site
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KartikPrabhu there is also "CommonMark" stuff
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KartikPrabhu and the annoying problem of displaying math on webpages
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bear PanDoc - that's the one I was thinking of
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KartikPrabhu yeah PanDoc is one
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bear isn't that a lot easier now with svg?
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KartikPrabhu there is a pretty good JS lib called MathJax that does it using HTML+CSS or optionally MathML
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KartikPrabhu but most of it is js;dr of course
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bear right
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bear mathml i've heard horror stories about
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KartikPrabhu it is terrible as an authoring language
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KartikPrabhu while Latex math authoring is pretty good
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bear just like having responsive images you may have to have MathJax --> SVG with alt-text
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bear so if someone is noscripting you they still get something
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KartikPrabhu yeah somthing like that. But giving alt-text for math is even more impossible than for images
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KartikPrabhu i don't think even WAI-ARIA people have reccomendations for that
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bear oh - MathJax supports SVG -- http://docs.mathjax.org/en/latest/options/SVG.html
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KartikPrabhu yeah you can make it set an SVG image. but it does that on-the-fly using JS
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bear oh - poo
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KartikPrabhu yeah. what I'm looking for is more like a pre-processor. It takes HTML with some math authored in latex and then converts that into HTML+CSS math or MathML or SVG etc...
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bear sounds like a nodejs like serverside tool
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bear so you can use mathjax
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KartikPrabhu yeah, which is why I have been procrastinating on this
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bear chuckles
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bear that's the fun of todays internet - wait 3 months and some kid writes it for you
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bear (or rewrites it again (and again (and again)))
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KartikPrabhu math on the web is not cool enough for kids to pick it up :P
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KartikPrabhu writing an animation lib is though!
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bear hahahaha
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Loqi nice
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KartikPrabhu infact only FF has implemented MathML afaik
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KartikPrabhu no other browser seems to care
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bear getting distracted by a youtube rabbit hole about Vermeer
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KartikPrabhu haha!
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KartikPrabhu if you are into painting you should watch the van Gogh movies
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KartikPrabhu one stars Benedict Cumberbatch and the other Andy Serkis as Van Gogh
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bear came to Vermeer sideways because of an interview with Teller of Penn&Teller
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bear oh neat - I'm huge fans of both of them
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KartikPrabhu same here!
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KartikPrabhu and these are docu-drama movies so they are better than Hollywood-ising van Gogh
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bear nifty
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bear adds that to his list
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bear heading to the couch - realizing it's 0400 now and it is snowing and stuff
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bear later Kartik
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat And good night bear
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Loqi night night
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bear night Zegnat
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KartikPrabhu night bear
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KartikPrabhu what is commitments?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "commitments" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu what is commitment?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "commitment" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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Zegnat What are 2017-01-01-commitments?
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Loqi 2017-01-01-commitments are implementation and launch commitments publicly made by the IndieWeb community to ship on their personal sites by 2017-01-01 00:00 local time https://indieweb.org/2017-01-01-commitments
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Zegnat commitments are implementation and launch commitments publicly made by the IndieWeb community.
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Zegnat Oh, guess, it timed out
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Zegnat What are commitments?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "commitments" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat commitments are implementation and launch commitments publicly made by the IndieWeb community.
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat commitments << [[2015-01-01-commitments]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2015-01-01-commitments]]" to the "See Also" section of /commitments
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Zegnat << [[2016-01-01-commitments]]
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Zegnat commitments << [[2016-01-01-commitments]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2016-01-01-commitments]]" to the "See Also" section of /commitments
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Zegnat commitments << [[2017-01-01-commitments]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2017-01-01-commitments]]" to the "See Also" section of /commitments
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Zegnat There you go, KartikPrabhu :)
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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KartikPrabhu what is commitments
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Loqi commitments are implementation and launch commitments publicly made by the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/commitments
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sknebel aaronpk: If I didn't miss anything, https://indieweb.org/wiki/backup/data/ hasn't been updated in a few months, is that intentional?
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aaronpk sknebel: that's not good. i'll check
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aaronpk oh man. it stopped working with the move to indieweb.org
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sknebel aaronpk: oh no. easy fix?
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aaronpk i just ran the bulk import again so it's all up to date
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aaronpk and adjusted the config file for the new domains
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aaronpk will check in a couple days to see if it's still keeping it up to date
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aaronpk there is some pretty amazing stuff going on here, and makes me optimistic that we can get a lot of it to work with indieweb tools https://www.macstories.net/stories/one-year-of-ipad-pro/8/#content
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miklb Has there been any discussion since indieweb.org was relaunched of the idea of using Jekyll for the home page/upcoming/events stuff?
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aaronpk miklb: I don't think we've talked about it since after IWS, but I also don't think any of the reasons for not using Jekyll has changed
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[kevinmarks] KartikPrabhu I did some experiments with TeX and html and svg last year, and it was a bit annoying still
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 1 day, 17 hours ago: MozSF venue confirmed for HWC SF in ~2 weeks: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-12-28-homebrew-website-club - Can you create an indie event and FB POSSE copy? Thanks!
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[kevinmarks] A font with the mathematical letter forms is needed if you want text rather than paths in your equations
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[kevinmarks] http://www.kevinmarks.com/htmlversustex.html
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Loqi HTML as TeX replacement 2015-11-06
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bear so, if i'm going to work on implementing websub (hub also) - is there any indieweb folk who have implemented it already?
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@jkphl @vasilis Next step: Join us for an #IndieWebCamp + learn how to use Flickr & Co for reach while always keeping the origs on your own site ;) (twitter.com/_/status/810596523021139968)
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@jkphl @vasilis Perfect! :) You're always very, very welcome, you know that! Next stops: May 13th-14th in Düsseldorf + http://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/810601460018900994)
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