#indieweb 2016-12-22

2016-12-22 UTC
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KevinMarks1 The Social Network << http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010/10/geek-cinema-social-network-vs-man-in.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010/10/geek-cinema-social-network-vs-man-in.html" to the "See Also" section of /The Social Network
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aaronpk oh this is going to be fun
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aaronpk BAM https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/21/14/100daysofindieweb
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 1 of #100DaysOfIndieWeb. Since I am also doing #100DaysOfMusic, and posting those songs as video clips on Instagram, I wanted a way to automatically push them to Facebook as well. A long-standing feature I've been wanting in OwnYourGram is to... https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/21/14/photo.png
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tantek what is 100DaysOfIndieWeb?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "100DaysOfIndieWeb" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk 100DaysOfIndieWeb is a challenge to ship something IndieWeb-related for 100 days. The challenge can be started at any time, and all you have to do is commit to starting, and then make a post with the #100DaysOfIndieWeb tag on your personal website every time you finish something. Each project can be as small as you want, but ideally is something you can demonstrate in a screenshot or video.
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk That's a start
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tantek does it have to be something that someone else can use? e.g. any OwnYourGram user benefits from your first one
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aaronpk Nope actually it should be something *you* will use yourself
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aaronpk tho maybe the rule should be it has to be something other people will see
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aaronpk so improving your closed source admin panel doesn't count, but if your project is open source then that's fine.
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tantek ok, selfdogfood required, somehow publicly visible result required
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tantek that sounds reasonable
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KevinMarks I tried UC browser, as it has a bigger installed base than ie or safari, and it doesn't like my sites much. It's not good at flexbox
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tantek aaronpk: you should add "ship 11 indie web things" to your 2017-01-01 commitments ;)
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cweiske re 100daysofindieweb: stackoverflow gives you a badge when visiting the page for 100 consecutive days
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cweiske this lead to me trying to access stackoverflow from a far away country on my phone on vacation, just to get a damn internet point
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cweiske 100 is just too high, life will always break it
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@voxpelli @kolombiken Github Pages doesn’t provide https for custom domains and in true indieweb-style I always want my site on my own domain :) (twitter.com/_/status/811881731817177088)
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indiescripter G'day people. 8:40pm here in Adelaide. Thought I'd just check in for a bit before the night's out.
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Loqi indiescripter: sknebel left you a message 1 day, 17 hours ago: confirmed, the wiki is supposed to not send you e-mail
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indiescripter Loqi thanks. Hey just started making a list of sites that people around here have for reference. Got sknebel's what's your main site?
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indiescripter http://www.indiescripter.com/articles/indieweb-people.html
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indiescripter Also just added a debug feature to display microformats for each html page. You can see that on the top righthand side of each page. Parsing the generated html with microformats-node by Glenn Jones.
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Sebsel what is irc-people?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IRC_People
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Sebsel That's a list :)
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indiescripter Yep, that's a list. No point replicating that I guess .. unless perhaps if I can add some value in people's specialties.
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indiescripter i mean by expanding on people's special expertise
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indiescripter there you got. how lame of me .. didn't even realize that Loqi is a bot.
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Sebsel oh that happens a lot. He won't be mad.
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indiescripter Loqi you are not a human so you will not make it onto my list of indieweb people
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indiescripter sebsel did you check out the microformats page debug feature on my site?
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ktoverso hi there!
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Sebsel indiescripter not sure, is it the .json version of your page? not clear to me how it works.
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Sebsel hi ktoverso!
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marinintim hi folks, I've done a talk about IndieWeb on local meetup yesterday!
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indiescripter There is the View markdown which is the authored content. My static site generator (written in TypeScript) generates the html page adding in some microformat annotations. To see how a microformat aware parser would see the html I run microformats-node over the generated html and that's the JSON output from that parser that you get to see.
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indiescripter ... you get to see when you hit the view microformats link. So it's an after-the-fact debug facility just so that I can see how a machine would perceive my webpage.
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indiescripter marinintim hi. Any links to share?
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marinintim (looking through the logs, link was already there.)
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petermolnar indiescripter that looks not too markdown-like, rather reStructuredText
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marinintim Sure, http://marinin.xyz/slides/indieweb
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indiescripter marinintim cool thanks
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marinintim Sorry it's in Russian though
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cweiske Контроль над identity - I thought everything was given cyrillic letters?
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cweiske my favorite is that "shorts" are adapted into russian with transliterated letters
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cweiske but the spelling and meaning is kept as in english
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marinintim Идентичность, which is Russian for identity, is not much used at all.
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marinintim So I had to explain concept anyway, and identity is much nicer to pronounce than идентичность
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indiescripter petermolnar Actually it's a hybrid. Rather than having separate markdown files for article sections (eg. summary, teaser, main etc), I chose (for the moment at least) to combine all markdown pages for an article into a single page. So yes, the content is structured in sections but each section is markdown. Except the metadata or front-matter section which is JSON
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cweiske k
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indiescripter Initial I looked at ponyfoo project (on GitHub) for ideas on how to structure content and I decided pretty quickly that I didn't want to dedicate one directory per article.
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marinintim cweiske: and yes, marinin.xyz is my site;. The font is large indeed, I rolled with it since Zeldman posted about it. Probably it would be much smaller after redesign though. (:
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indiescripter petermolnar reading your page now https://indieweb.org/User:Petermolnar.net .. quite interesting :-)
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petermolnar oh, that will change
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petermolnar I'm working on my own static generator
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petermolnar I got tired of patching wordpress with plugins and I want to be ipfs-compatible
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indiescripter petermolnar don't blame you for thinking that way
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sknebel petermolnar: when you have examples to share I'd be curious, especially your gallery/image handling
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petermolnar sknebel I don't do galleries, just images
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indiescripter petermolnar ditto as per sknebel
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petermolnar and the site will look more or less the same :)
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petermolnar subtle differences, like inline svg instead of css font hacks for icons, but mostly the same
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indiescripter g'night folks have a great day
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sknebel your ranting about image data sounded like you are building posts from photos automatically
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sknebel good night indiescripter!
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Loqi sleep tight!
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indiescripter Logi you are so nice
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sknebel ("ranting" is not the right word, but you know what I mean I hope)
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sknebel petermolnar: so less specific: whatever you were doing with exiftool I'm curious about it :)
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar https://gitlab.com/petermolnar/petermolnar.net/blob/master/generator/photo.py and https://gitlab.com/petermolnar/petermolnar.net/blob/master/generator/img.py
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sknebel 404, not public possibly?
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petermolnar I just made it public
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petermolnar let me double check
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sknebel maybe their cache hasn't updated yet or something
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petermolnar hm
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petermolnar I can pastebin it
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petermolnar for now
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sknebel I'll try again later and ask again if it still doesn't work, no hurry
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petermolnar ok
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petermolnar eh "Feature Visibility"
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petermolnar fixing it
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petermolnar gitlab is a bit overcomplicated
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petermolnar I'm just going to push this to github as well
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cweiske access works now
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sknebel indeed, ty
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petermolnar please keep in mind that my python knowledge is only a few months old
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petermolnar there are certain non-pythonic lines in there, and a lot of it needs polishing
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sknebel my site code certainly looks worse in places, so I'm in no position to say anything about that ;)
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petermolnar note: exif dates are "%Y:%m:%d %H:%M:%S"
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petermolnar which is nasty and most parsers fail to parse that right
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cweiske s/ /T/
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petermolnar notice the : between Y m d
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cweiske ah
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sknebel petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 21 karma in this channel (24 overall)
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cweiske petermolnar, i could host search for your site on search.cweiske.de
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petermolnar I know, but I'd like to make a whoosh index on build and deploy that to a sanic based server
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cweiske k
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petermolnar but thank you
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petermolnar this way I can make sure only the relevant text is added in there
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cweiske phinde indexes title, tags and e-content
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sknebel sanic as in https://github.com/channelcat/sanic ?
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petermolnar yes
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cweiske oh. another README with "amazing" in it
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petermolnar cweiske I was looking into flask/tornado and a few others to be used with asyncio, so far, it's complicated
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petermolnar this one seems to be using it by default, so I'll give it a try
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aaronpk good idea tantek
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marinintim is anyone interested in translated slides of my talk? I could translate it over the weekend, I think.
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aaronpk marinintim: i would love to see translated slides! google translate didn't do a great job on the title :) "Indieveb"
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marinintim the title is easy: Indieweb, microformats, and web-archeology
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aaronpk if you do make a translation, add a link to https://indieweb.org/presentations! (I already added your original one)
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aaronpk phinde++
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Loqi phinde has 2 karma
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aaronpk i was looking for the last time tantek was bugging Loqi that Loqi doesn't parse fragment URLs and found it!
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aaronpk and now... https://adactio.com/journal/10708#comment33107
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Loqi [Chris Perry] Chris Perry
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aaronpk !tell adactio looks like you have a stray "p-name" class on your comment template. if you remove the p-name from the line that links to the permalink, and move it to the e-content element instead, the inline previews like https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-12-22#t1482423477475000 will look better!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [aaronpk] and now... https://adactio.com/journal/10708#comment33107
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aaronpk lol
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk++ nice loqi update!
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Loqi aaronpk has 445 karma in this channel (1160 overall)
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martymcguire[m] ooh, that reminds me - i am not sure when to put things inside e-content
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martymcguire[m] e.g. woodwind shows my in-reply-to posts nicely when i put the reply context in a "p-in-reply-to h-cite"
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martymcguire[m] but the same trick doesn't work on, for example "p-repost-of h-cite" or "p-like-of h-cite"
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aaronpk hm that might just be a problem with how woodwind consumes likes and reposts
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martymcguire[m] this comment in woodwind's source suggests that repost-of might still be a TODO: https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/blob/40942f9955276ca045407b6640b49e0f5ba8d46e/woodwind/tasks.py#L501
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martymcguire[m] looking at /like examples I see that tantek uses u-like-of inside of a p-name, so the displayable content of the post includes the u-like-of reference
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martymcguire[m] so maybe the rule is that replies have their own content, so info about the reply context is expected outside that content, but u-repost-of and u-like-of need to be marked up inside of some kind of content (p-name, e-content, something)?
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martymcguire[m] maybe this is -dev talk.
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aaronpk moves to -dev
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Day 2: Handling URLs with Fragment IDs #100DaysOfIndieWeb" https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/22/5/100days
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "100 Days of IndieWeb" https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/22/6/100daysofindieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "100 Days of IndieWeb" on 2016-12-22
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KevinMarks Do fragmentions work too?
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aaronpk no, that sounds much more complicated :)
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aaronpk this just looks for a matching id attribute
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aaronpk also you don't typically see an embedded h-entry when using a fragmention
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aaronpk so the fragmention would probably just end up with the parent h-entry anyway
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KevinMarks Ah, true. It would work on my homepage. I was thinking it might work on noterlive generated pages, but those aren't entries but cites
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bear hey folks, be aware that a Leap Second will be added to the clocks December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC
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martymcguire[m] ooh
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bear so on the east coast that will happen at 06:59:60
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@cdevroe Aaron Parecki tackles 100 Days of Indieweb http://cdevroe.com/2016/12/22/aaron-parecki-tackles-100-days-of-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/811993482965516288)
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bear now is a good time to make sure your kernel is up to date for your OS - older kernels will actually crash during leap second shifts
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aaronpk will attempt to make a post at 23:59:60
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aaronpk bear: any tips on which kernel version will crash and how to check if your server is up to date enough?
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Zegnat Ah, the leap second isn't at the end of the year for most timezones! I never considered that!
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bear yea, I have a table for ubuntu and redhat
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bear yea, it's added at midnight UTC
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aaronpk ooh yeah that's 16:59:60 pacific time, even better
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Zegnat It makes sense and I should have known that. Just never actually realised it.
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bear some ops friends created a handy table: https://gist.github.com/randomvariable/8382e2e739fd31a2b630ad4715ea6c28
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bear the timeanddate.com site has a great writeup on why leap seconds are needed - https://www.timeanddate.com/time/leapseconds.html
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bear oh - also, remember that you have to *reboot* your server after a kernel update :)
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aaronpk i assume a normal apt-get upgrade will take care of that? i've never specifically updated the kernel, just the whole system
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bear yes
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bear except for the reboot part
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bear on debian and ubuntu you can run: `dpkg --list | grep linux-image` to see what version of the kernel you have installed
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@hobbsy #indieweb question: anyone know why Indiewebify doesn't seem to recognise my link back to hobbsy/com from Twitter? https://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=hobbsy.com (twitter.com/_/status/812007672962838528)
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@hobbsy ... is it because Twitter uses a t/co shortener when you hover over the link? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/812008260949725185)
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KevinMarks Is this the https thing again?
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GWG I am trying to decide if I want to reprioritize my commitments
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GWG Running into pfefferle yesterday made me think we might be able to get out the long awaited Webmentions rewrite.
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cweiske !seen rascul
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cweiske phinde says 2016-10-26 14:49
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cweiske wants date spike charts for search results
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@xtof_fr #indieweb Surcharge cognitive SSL. #nowww ou #www ? @robert_vinet @nicolas2fr : piste #CDN #gh pour @MyDataLabs > http://ducamp.me/2016-357 (twitter.com/_/status/812047358670368768)
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@hobbsy @indiescripter this page https://indieweb.org/rel-me says hcard not necessary (?) (twitter.com/_/status/812049455860109312)
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cweiske hah. finally git HTTPS clone urls on https://git.cweiske.de/
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cweiske \/accomplishment
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bear cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 67 karma in this channel (75 overall)
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[kevinmarks] What do you mean by date spike charts? Could adapt the joy division one
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[kevinmarks] Or just use the sparkline
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tantek hmm, realizing I never got around to a 2015 summary post for indieweb
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tantek so maybe it's time to start preparing for a 2016 summary post
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tantek and do them together?
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tantek what is 2015-in-summary?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2015-in-summary" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks http://www.kevinmarks.com/svgsparklines.html for cweiske
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Loqi SVG Sparklines 2016-04-18
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tantek what is 2016-review?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2016-review" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek 2016 review is a list of indieweb and indiewebcamp accomplishments for all of 2016, as well as indieweb related news in 2016. Please help by adding to the below sections, and adding whole sections from [[2015-review]] and [[2014-review]]!
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tantek 2016-review is a list of indieweb and indiewebcamp accomplishments for all of 2016, as well as indieweb related news in 2016. Please help by adding to the below sections, and adding whole sections from [[2015-review]] and [[2014-review]]!
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Loqi ok
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tantek huh
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Loqi [indieweb] "My 2015 in Startup" on 2016-03-10 http://voxpelli.com/2016/03/my-2015-in-startup/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Reclaiming the reply with Indie-Config – Overview" on 2014-10-20 http://voxpelli.com/2014/10/indie-config-overview/
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Loqi [indieweb] "My 2015 in IndieWeb" on 2016-03-12 http://voxpelli.com/2016/03/my-2015-in-indieweb/
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tantek wat
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voxpelli Probably got retriggered because I moved to https today
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