#indieweb 2016-12-31

2016-12-31 UTC
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@dariusdunlap @harper IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/815074441856094208)
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rhiaro New feature alert! Not albums, not photos, but adding-photos-to-albums posts, so I can have 'timeline' updates for continually adding to the same album https://rhiaro.co.uk/2016/12/58674abb4b0bd
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rhiaro Is anyone else doing this? aaronpk?
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aaronpk Interesting!
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tantek rhiaro: makes sense
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rhiaro is now manually backfilling add-to-album posts for the last year of photos
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KevinMarks_ Tantek used to do that on Flickr
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KevinMarks_ Or rather, upload and tag with a backlog
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@jkphl Last #indieweb achievement of 2016: https://micrometa.jkphl.is now has first experimental #jsonld support (besides @microformats & #Microdata) (twitter.com/_/status/815210880375910400)
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@nissyen Don't use Facebook as a "personal blog." #indieweb https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/30/facebook-temporary-ban-kevin-sessums-trump-supporters (twitter.com/_/status/815226784341893120)
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petermolnar why << https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/30/facebook-temporary-ban-kevin-sessums-trump-supporters
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/30/facebook-temporary-ban-kevin-sessums-trump-supporters" to the "See Also" section of /why
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KevinMarks Pretty sure he got an autobahn for quoting slurs extensively, not for saying "fascist"
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KevinMarks Auto ban, not autobahn
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[barryf] IndieWeb commitment announcement: I've now updated my Micropub client to the latest spec and added support for edits, deletes and undeletes.
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[barryf] Try it out at https://micropublish.net
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[barryf] It's tricky testing with anything other than my site so I'd welcome feedback.
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KartikPrabhu [barryf]: maybe try https://micropub.rocks/ tfor testing
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[barryf] Thanks KartikPrabhu but I don't see any client tests. The server ones I've made good use of.
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Loqi [indieweb] "PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-31 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/
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Loqi [indieweb] "PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-12-31 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocket-instapaper-replacement-feee03a0af00?source=rss----12b80d28f892---4
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Loqi [indieweb] "PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-12-31 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocket-instapaper-replacement-feee03a0af00?source=rss------mobile-5
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Loqi [indieweb] "PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-12-31 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocket-instapaper-replacement-feee03a0af00?source=rss-f9e3747f5480------2
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aaronpk ChrisAldrich: the sharing sidebar thing blocks the content on my phone screen!
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aaronpk http://i.imgur.com/OHxlZeL.png
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@ChrisAldrich PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/815309906337210368)
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tantek whats the sharing sidebar thing?
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tantek some JS thing?
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aaronpk oh dear the quill editor does not work very well when i need to do blog posts with fancy blockquotes and code snippets
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tantek careful not to walk down the WordPress editor path of "just add markup" which punts the problem to the user, who is then confused why they have an h-entry in an h-entry (see yesterday's chat)
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miklb good thing you're working on 100 days of IndieWeb aaronpk
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aaronpk yeah i'm not sure what to do here
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aaronpk considering making a totally separate "raw" editor that *only* does html and nothing fancy
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tantek or markdown since you're a fan of that
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tantek helps reduce chance of users hurting themselves with too much markup
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aaronpk i only like writing markdown for simple stuff :)
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tantek or being asked to copy/paste harmful markup (social engineering vulnerability)
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miklb I've never had good luck with markdown & blockquotes.
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tantek (seriously there are sites that ask users to copy/paste javascript into browser debug consoles)
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aaronpk yeah and this thing in the blockquote also has markup like nested lists and such, i wouldn't trust my markdown parser to do that right
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tantek checks his markdown redesign
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aaronpk tantek: oh yeah i've noticed some sites like facebook print giant warnings in the console in red that say "don't paste things here"
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tantek aaronpk, yes, that's why
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bear gets popcorn and watches aaronpk build an html/mf2 IDE
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tantek ah! markdown screwed up by using indented text to mean a code block. stupid dev-centric design compromising what "normal" indented text means (a blockquote)
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tantek so yeah, you'd have to ditch that part of markdown
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miklb github flavored markdown for code
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miklb code blocks
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aaronpk yeah i like the ``` code blocks better anyway
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tantek and use "8. Indented text should mean blockquote or just pre-wrap (friendlier), not code block (based on normal readability expectations and normal non-coding usage being preferred over coder-specific usage)." (as documented tantek.com/w/Markdown#Problemssummary )
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tantek markdown really should have been called devmark because really its designed for devs
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tantek it's*
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miklb I was just reading Aaron Schwartz's comments from when they released markdown. Not sure they were really expecting wide spread adoption by anyone
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tantek miklb, no "ch", just Sw.... Hence @aaronsw
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miklb right
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@BloggerOtomatis SEO friendly UNIQUE articles in JUST A CLICK http://articlecreator.fullcontentrss.com #WordPress #ppc PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed… (twitter.com/_/status/815320518895104000)
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miklb ick
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@100daysindieweb Day 11: Simpler fonts #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/31/11/day-11-simpler-fonts (twitter.com/_/status/815321112842121216)
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tantek huh
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miklb I've been doing a lot research/work on font loading and speed. I should probably share some of it at some point.
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tantek !tell kevinmarks this is likely relevant to fragmentions: https://twitter.com/urlstandard/status/807279430490058752
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@urlstandard https://github.com/whatwg/url/commit/373dbedbbf0596f723ce8a195923da98b698aeb0 Percent encode fragments too Now all components of a URL can be represented using ASCII strings or integers. ... (twitter.com/_/status/807279430490058752)
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miklb aaronpk it's also worth looking at the system font stack in bootstrap 4
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miklb its what I've been using on my Jekyll site (and is in the jekyll-indieweb theme)
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tantek what is performance?
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Loqi Performance typically refers to the speed, responsiveness, and initial load of a website https://indieweb.org/performance
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tantek performance << https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/31/11/day-11-simpler-fonts
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Loqi ok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/31/11/day-11-simpler-fonts" to the "See Also" section of /performance
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 11: Simpler fonts #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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tantek good one aaronpk
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tantek aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 446 karma in this channel (1166 overall)
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tantek seriously most sites with webfonts do not need them
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tantek it's like, your site is not that fancy, and you're not that good of a designer to be nitpicking pixels and type like that.
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miklb tell that to the designer I work with
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tantek I'm pretty much a Let them see Helvetica kind of guy
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tantek (also a good movie)
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tantek what was that parody that made fun of web designers slowing everything down on the web?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "that parody that made fun of web designers slowing everything down on the web" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek heh
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miklb that was my feeling going with system fonts. Use the font the OS designers created for the device
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miklb created/chose
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bear that's why I ended up picking: font-family: "Segoe UI", "Roboto", "Oxygen", "Ubuntu", "Cantarell", "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif;
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bear it's a good set of fonts that are present on all modern OSs
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miklb that's pretty close to what I've been using. I've added -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, for SF on mac & iOS
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bear yea, I haven't adjusted for the latest crop of iOS
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miklb but I just cribbed from Bootstrap 4 after doing a little reading at the time
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tantek aaronpk, somewhat related: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
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bear I think I swiped that list from a css tips and tricks site
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tantek also http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/
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tantek what is design?
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Loqi Design is a catchall term used to refer to everything that affects users about a page/site including: Graphic design (including site icon) User interface design (UI design) User experience (UX) Information architecture (IA) URL design https://indieweb.org/design
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tantek oh well lost to the archives
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tantek tries search
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tantek found it
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tantek (not via search)
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tantek (rather not IRC search, but web search with additional terms popping into my head from shakey recall)
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tantek Twitter is worse at displaying checkbox unicode chars than my site :P
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tantek compare https://twitter.com/t/status/815334612528406528 (with unmatching checked and unchecked checkboxes) to http://tantek.com/2016/366/t2/resist-by-donating-today
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@t 20d. #RESIST by donating TODAY* ☑ @CalAcademy ☑ @Exploratorium ☐ @ACLU ☐ @PPact ☐ @EFF ☐ @Mozilla**... http://tantek.com/2016/366/t2/resist-by-donating-today (twitter.com/_/status/815334612528406528)
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tantek (it even looks better in IRC than on Twitter)
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tantek Happy New Year to all the Europeans!
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KevinMarks Wait, fragments weren't already utf-8 escaped?
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 59 minutes ago: this is likely relevant to fragmentions: https://twitter.com/urlstandard/status/807279430490058752
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KevinMarks Fira Sans is nice, shame that OS didn't take off
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KevinMarks Twitter Android app looks right too, but mobile web is wrong
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tantek checkbox unicode chars predate the emoji trends and twitter should have left those chars to the fonts instead of substituting them with their own graphics
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KevinMarks Same is true of other unicode glyphs that become emoji like ♥
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