#indieweb 2017-01-02

2017-01-02 UTC
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rhiaro
hey aaronpk what api do you you use for your weather/temperature thing?
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rhiaro
Also, do you know of a maps API that does nice smooth curves between two places, like how when people post a trip on facebook? I actually wanted this before I noticed facebook was doing it.
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GWG
rhiaro: From the looks of it, wunderground?
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rhiaro
heh, thanks GWG for being not too lazy to view source like me :)
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GWG
I didn't. I was looking last week
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rhiaro
ah, handy
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GWG
I was looking at his atlas code for ideas for my location code.
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GWG
He returns weather in there
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rhiaro
Oh right. I'll check that out.
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rhiaro
oooh that is useful
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rhiaro
aaronpk++
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Loqi
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rhiaro
(as usual)
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miklb
Dark Sky has a pretty good API too
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chrisaldrich2
GWG++ for a fantastic first stab at Simple Location for WordPress https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location
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Loqi
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chrisaldrich2
I love the fact that it'll be able to take the geo data from old OwnYourGram and OwnYourCheckin posts and provide a map to go along with them (when I want to display one).
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: Working on more improvements.
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GWG
But there is still the public/private issue.
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chrisaldrich2
GWG: I tested the timezone and it appears to work as expected. But to be clear, one has to click the over ride and then choose the correct timezone from the drop down right? (ie, the geo data isn't used to auto set the timezone)
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GWG
The geodata is used to auto-set the timezone.
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chrisaldrich2
It's unfortunate that WordPress's standard for geo data seems to default people's data to public if it's not specified https://codex.wordpress.org/Geodata
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: I'm using Latitude: 31.77689 and Longitude: 35.234519 as my test coordinates for a different timezone if you want to check
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GWG
I'm thinking of changing that display though.
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GWG
The operative theory is if you set coordinates, you must want them to be seen.
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GWG
The timezone isn't saving. Must have made an omission when I adjusted it. Fixing.
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chrisaldrich2
I notice that with no geo_address set, if I update the post, it automatically updates the geo_address toWestern Wall Plaza, Old City, Jerusalem, Jerusalem District
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: Yes. As expected behavior.
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chrisaldrich2
yeah, it looks like I have to set the timezone manually, but it sets the proper time if I do. Even better if it uses the coordinates to do it automatically if I check a box though!
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GWG
I just checked the code. You have to click the override box for it to save the timezone. I'm going to adjust that, since I changed the behavior to make it non-intuitive.
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GWG
But the question is about whether a set location should be assumed to be public or private.
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chrisaldrich2
So, do we need to push micropub and clients like Ownyourgram, ownyourcheckin to add flags to preserve privacy of geodata for posts that go to wordpress?
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: It is an area worth exploring, along with properties like draft posting, but no one has built it in yet.
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chrisaldrich2
I've been using an instagram plugin that has the ability to PESOS posts to WordPress and specifically because it allows me to set it as draft, pending, private, or just post it automatically.
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chrisaldrich2
For a plugin like Simple Location, I'd prefer that when enabling it, that it not presume I want old posts with geodata, but no explicit setting for public/private to treat all my old posts as private unless I set them manually to public.
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chrisaldrich2
If I remember things like OwnYourGram send geodata on photos (for example pictures at my house) even though I didn't set a location as visible on Instagram. Thus enabling Simple Location would find all that private data and make it immediately public when turning the plugin on.
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GWG
I'm trying to figure out how to set it then
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chrisaldrich2
How many users (other than IndieWebbers) are likely to have geodata set in a WordPress install?
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: I'm going to see what I can do to change the behavior. Making some minor tweaks to the timezone display.
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chrisaldrich2
I'm going through my tables and adding the appropriate metadata so that I can enable it on my production site. I don't think there are many posts where I'd prefer to keep the geolocation private as most of my posts to social media are uber-puclic to begin with.
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chrisaldrich2
Putting a highlighted note that specifies the privacy issues in the description of the plugin will also help to bring the potential issue to the surface regardless of the way you choose to handle the code. Then people at least have the opportunity to address it before turning it on.
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chrisaldrich2
those custom fields are all generally in postmeta right?
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chrisaldrich2
GWG: Here's another bizarre issue: the displayed map appears below JetPack's "Share This" functionality and above JetPack's "Related Posts"; I suspect you mean for it to show at the very bottom of the main-content right? (I'm testing it using the new Twenty Seventeen Theme).
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GWG
I can raise the priority.
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GWG
Jetpack's Share This must be higher
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chrisaldrich2
I've generally turned that stuff off on my production site, but happened to have it on on my test site.... suppose I ought to load everything up to see if anything else like that pops up. How does one change those priorities btw? I don't know that I've ever look at how to do that.
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aaronpk
rhiaro: you mean like a smooth curve great circle line between two distant points?
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rhiaro
I mean, a straight line would be fine too, I didn't find that either. A curve is a bit nicer though
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GWG
I'll see about raising them a bit. But it's a line in the code. Not sure how to customize it to make every possible plugin happy, is the issue.
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rhiaro
I know how to do it with google maps, but obviously I don't want to use google maps
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aaronpk
hm yeah. I don't deal with that often because I usually have real GPS data between two points
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rhiaro
I don't particularly want to do it with JS either if I can avoid it. But haven't found anything to generate a static map with a line on
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rhiaro
Yeah i want to use it for future trip planning, rather than tracked location
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aaronpk
Atlas static maps cheats by treating the map as a 2D plane
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aaronpk
I'm sure i could dig up some code tho , it's just geometry
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KartikPrabhu
if one is not interested in the actual route a straight line should be good
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aaronpk
Curved lines look nicer tho
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aaronpk
and are somewhat more realistic
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KartikPrabhu
btw why did I lose my +v ?
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aaronpk
huh no idea
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rhiaro
Like right now I have two static maps of the two places next to each other: https://rhiaro.co.uk/2016/10/la-to-osaka But it would be better to show their relation to each other.
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KartikPrabhu
my site was down for a bit a few days ago, maybe Loqi checked then and marked it as error
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rhiaro
uh sometimes they take a while to load cos it's fetching lat/lon data from dbpedia. Need to cache that.
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chrisaldrich2
If it comes down to it, a great circle is the shortest arc between to places on the globe and is typically the path taken by most airplane flights
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aaronpk
right, the trick is rendering that path in the webmercator projection
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aaronpk
rhiaro: do you have an example of what a facebook post like that looks like?
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rhiaro
lemme find one and screenshot
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KartikPrabhu
does FB use the projected great circle or just some made up curve?
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aaronpk
that's what i want to see
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rhiaro
man they were everywhere when people were traveling for the holidays, and now I can't find any
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aaronpk
how do you create one?
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aaronpk
whoa facebook has a crazy number of different post types
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rhiaro
I have no idea. I think they might be auto created if you post "I'm on my way to x!" or something
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rhiaro
I don't post, just read..
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aaronpk
omg the facebook venues are *so bad*
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aaronpk
huh i can't post planned travel
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rhiaro
hm I can do 'traveling to' but it doesn't let me say where from
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rhiaro
and just puts a pin in the 'to'
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KartikPrabhu
try travelling from X to Y
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rhiaro
there's no 'traveling from' in the drop down
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rhiaro
maybe it needs to know where I am currently
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aaronpk
how are you making it do the map at all?
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rhiaro
uuughhh I want to stop scrolling through facebook now, so many babies
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rhiaro
I clicked the little face 'what are you feeling/doing' and chose 'traveling from' in the drop down, then picked a country from the next dropdown
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aaronpk
wow i did not know facebook had so many post types
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aaronpk
man this is like old livejournal
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aaronpk
whaat you can change the little icon indepdently of the text
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aaronpk
this is crazy
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aaronpk
shows you how often i use facebook
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aaronpk
it still hasn't made a map for me tho
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rhiaro
I just posted travelling to with no content
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rhiaro
(that's a post that only aaronpk can see, for the logs)
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rhiaro
huh somehow I spent hawaii wrong and it still figured it out
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rhiaro
technology man
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aaronpk
no i think it autocompleted to a misspelling because facebook venues are *so bad*
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rhiaro
I'm trying to find people's profiles who I know travelled, and scrolling back.. but n ot finding anything in their timelines
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rhiaro
I might just have to grab one next time I'm not looking explicitly..
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rhiaro
I get the feeling people aren't actively trying to create these, just that they're generated somehow
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aaronpk
oh hey i got a map...
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aaronpk
there's an R library for it
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aaronpk
also great circle lines can sometimes look weird and i bet facebook is actually just drawing a fake circle http://dsgeek.com/2013/06/08/DrawingArcsonMaps.html
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rhiaro
yeah I assumed the facebook ones were not mathmatically sound or anything
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rhiaro
All I want is a curved line between to points on a 2D image
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rhiaro
the fact that is is a map doesn't need to be relevant
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rhiaro
yeah that's pretty much it
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rhiaro
that's what the facebook ones look like
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aaronpk
i think i can add that to the Atlas static maps code pretty easily then
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rhiaro
oh sweet!
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KevinMarks
Interpolating lat long isn't too hard
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rhiaro
Well.. I'm just going to go for lunch, and then when I get back you'll be meeting my hacking goals for me
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aaronpk
you can use the atlas code directly, you don't need to use it as an api
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KevinMarks
Though if you don't want real great circle, just make an arc or bezier in svg
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rhiaro
My need wasn't great enough to put more energy in than looking for code to do it for me at this point
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aaronpk
well that will have to be a projcet for tomorrow cause i'm going to bed now
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rhiaro
Since aaronpk exists, my laziness isn't a showstopper :D
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rhiaro
That seems reasonable
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rhiaro
hopefully this counts for your 100days
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rhiaro
In other news, I fixed my food and acquire posts https://rhiaro.co.uk/eats https://rhiaro.co.uk/stuff
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rhiaro
s/posts/feeds
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[nate]
congrats!
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KevinMarks
Something like <path d="M x1,y1 Q 0,0 x2,y2”≥
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KevinMarks
The 0,0 in the middle is the xontro
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KevinMarks
Control point - further away, more curved.
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[nate]
question: I've been having fun with my newly set up and indieauth-compatible domain (nateparsons.com) and want to take it a step further, with https://nateparsons.com/signin.html. I've gotten as far as getting users (me) redirected to nateparsons.com/auth?code={}, but I'm not sure how to proceed from here. Is there an existing nginx module for this? Some python I can drop in?
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KevinMarks
Or make it the average of x1 and x2 and still 0 for y
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bear
[nate] - no nginx module that I know of
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bear
if you grok Python you can look at how some of us have integrated indieauth login into our sites
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bear
they should all be listed here...
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bear
what is Python
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Loqi
Python is a programming language and web server runtime environment used for many IndieWeb projects https://indieweb.org/Python
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[nate]
oh nice. Yes, Python is my language of choice, I'm just now learning nginx
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bear
There are a couple Flask examples and I think even a Django
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@200okpublic
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Zegnat
Did anyone figure out the Facebook map generation yet, aaronpk, rhiaro? Or do you want me to give you a screenshot.
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Zegnat
The trick to getting a From X to Y is to “check in” at your current location, and then add a “travelling to” activity on top.
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rhiaro
Oh yes please if you have one handy
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Zegnat
I just made one ;)
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rhiaro
Ah right
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rhiaro
Good detective work
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Zegnat
I’ll crop it nicely and put it on the wiki, give me a minute
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rhiaro
Cheers!
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Zegnat
They will not let me add points in between, as far as I know. Which is a shame. No way to generate the actual route.
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aaronpk
Zegnat++
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Loqi
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Another take on uploading screenshots to a Micropub Media Endpoint" https://seblog.nl/2017/01/02/2/screenshots
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aaronpk
sebsel++ nice
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Loqi
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aaronpk
oops your site doesn't find my author info!
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aaronpk
you can follow 5.2 -> 7.4 to find mine https://indieweb.org/authorship
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sebsel
thanks! I'll fix that
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sebsel
And it doesn't know bookmarks too...
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cweiske
aaronpk's recursive fail :)
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aaronpk
hah wait what
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cweiske
your own lib can't parse your own comments
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aaronpk
but... I use that library
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sebsel
adding bookmarks seems like an easy fix, I can do that one.
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Zegnat
My comment doesn’t show correctly either?
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cweiske
maybe old mf2 parsing lib?
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Zegnat
Also funny how it cut off my comment right before the answer. Maybe I should rethink how I write replies
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aaronpk
ooh, i'm not using the part of php-comments that finds that property... because of the roundabout way comments get parsed for my site from webmention.io -> XRay -> my website
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aaronpk
sebsel: it should be pretty trivial to add bookmark-of if you just copy this https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments/blob/master/src/indieweb/comments.php#L167
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sebsel
I was doing that.
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sebsel
Merging the PR is probably more work
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sebsel
but then the problem is that php-comments does not curl things itself now... right?
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sebsel
but it now also renders your site as "author":{"name":false,"photo":false,"url":"\/"}
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sebsel
It should at least give your url.
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aaronpk
okay weird, i could have sworn it implemented the authorship algorithm correctly
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Zegnat
aaronpk's reaction at least links correctly. Mine seems to not even link to my post?
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sebsel
Yeah, that /-thingy might be my bad. I do pass the target-url into php-comments, but not in my microformats parser.
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aaronpk
Zegnat: what's the URL to your post?
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Loqi
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Zegnat
Loqi, that did not need to end in an ellipsis, that was my whole post.
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Zegnat
Apparently Loqi accepts my site again though!
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aaronpk
ha! you must have hit the exact character count for Loqi to think he should truncate the post. Loqi's truncation could use some work
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aaronpk
at least XRay gets your author right
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Zegnat
Since the last slew of fixes, my mf2 has been completely parsable. Tested with XRay and pin13. And tried jkphl’s new parser https://micrometa.jkphl.is/
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sebsel
oh my, I don't even store the target url, so my site has no idea where Zegnat's post is :/ how strange.
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sebsel
But that's all because of relative url's and stuff.
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sebsel
Now going to send mentions again, see what happens.
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sebsel
meh, now it things Zegnat's post is on my site :')
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sebsel
thinks
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sebsel
Should we take this to dev?
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Zegnat
If we are going to talk code instead of just general “look we have done comments”, then yes :)
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GWG
Good morning, campers
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Zegnat
Morning GWG!
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GWG
How is the New Year treating your site?
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Zegnat
Bad, I did not make my commitment
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@jkphl
Published a new micrometa release w/ #JSONLD support and visually improved demo page https://micrometa.jkphl.is/ #100DaysOfOpenSource #indieweb
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GWG
I made my commitment but it is still buggy. I do have to thank Chrisaldrich for giving me some valuable feedback after I asked him to try it.
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GWG
He noticed some stuff I missed and had some usability feedback
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@jkphl
Published a new micrometa release w/ #JSONLD support and visually improved demo page http://micrometa.jkphl.is #100DaysOfOpenSource #indieweb
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@voxpelli
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@TerminalPixel
Day 001 of #100DaysOfCode: Got embeds working on my #indieweb site. See https://grant.codes/likes for a nice example
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GWG
If you reach your commitment, but it is buggy, did you meet it?
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tantek
GWG, depends, are you using it?
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GWG
Tantek, yes
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snarfed
also, all code has bugs :P
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chrisaldrich1
GWG gets bonus points because he's already got others using it too! ;)
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@girlziplocked
Make your resolution to quit Facebook and take up poetry.
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GWG
snarfed, I need to test better.
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snarfed
testing++
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Loqi
testing has 17 karma in this channel (19 overall)
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GWG
Chrisaldrich1 did you look at the latest changes, you deserve props for useful feedback
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GWG
snarfed, I still am unit test challenged and tend to do usage testing
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GWG
snarfed, when this code is fixed, I will be testing it with Micropub
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snarfed
new year's resolution, learn unit testing!
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miklb
happy new year IndieWeb! Today's goal, flip the switch from jekyll to WP. Won't be pretty :-)
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snarfed
miklb++
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Loqi
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GWG
snarfed, that and JS if I listen to the WordPress buzz
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tantek
miklb++ go go go!
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Loqi
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miklb
appreciates all of the encouragement
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snarfed
[insert obligatory complaint that he should have possed]
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tantek
snarfed, is there a github repo where we can file feature requests / patches to help that project support indieweb protocols? (obligatory attempt to ask a constructive question :) )
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snarfed
tantek: wordpress?
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aaronpk
i emailed manton this morning and he's interested in starting a HWC in Austin as well as supporting webmention and micropub :)
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miklb
tantek I don't think micro.blog has a repo. But he is well aware of micropub & webmentions. References it in Kickstarter
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tantek
aaronpk++
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Loqi
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tantek
well then, let's start that
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tantek
what is micro.blog?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "micro.blog" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek
go for it aaronpk and miklb, even just what you said above is a great stub start
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miklb
micro.blog is an Indie Microblogging platform started by Manton Reece, with plans to support webmentions and micropub
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tantek
linky linky!
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miklb
micro.blog is <<< http://micro.blog
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miklb
lol. I don't know Loqi wiki syntax obviously
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aaronpk
eh i just edited the page directly :)
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KevinMarks1
if you make them a path, you can use this trick: https://css-tricks.com/svg-line-animation-works/
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aaronpk
ha whoa
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@mjUX
If you want to start; http://indieweb.org/event □ I'm goin to take a dab at some intractable Design.
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chrisaldrich2
miklb, I don't know if it'll help your migration, but I ran across this over the weekend: https://github.com/mAAdhaTTah/wordpress-github-sync
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miklb
chrisaldrich2 thanks, I did look at it, still might play around with it, but solved my migration by writing a semi-custom xml file to import into WP.
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@aaronpk
Day 13: Drawing curved lines on static maps #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100DaysOfCode https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/816051898796998656/photo/1
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GWG
miklb: How is it going?
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miklb
slow. adapting an html design to what I want in WP. Also got caught with a transient cache sticking so couldn't figure out why a loop wasn't working way it was supposed to.
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petermolnar
miklb are you modifying an existing theme?
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petermolnar
because that's always painful, in my experience
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miklb
not a theme, but a straight HTML set of templates.
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Zegnat
That post is probably my first person-mention, thanks aaronpk!
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miklb
but using underscores with GWG's mf2 changes as base
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petermolnar
underscores as theme, not as underscore.js, right?
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Zegnat
Woops, no, it is probably my second. So... 2 mentions since 2015-07-29 ?!
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miklb
petermolnar correct the automattic theme base
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Reply to Manton Reece: This morning I launched the Kickstarter project for Micro.blog. Really happy with the response. Thank you, everyone!" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-02 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/02/reply-to-manton-reece-this-morning-i-launched-the-kickstarter-project-for-micro-blog/
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GWG
chrisaldrich gets a lot of play in here
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miklb
that's an understatement
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miklb
didn't realize how rusty my front-end skills were until I had to start debugging specificity
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chrisaldrich2
;)
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: Have a few minutes?
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chrisaldrich2
a couple, what's up?
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chrisaldrich2
Lot's of new fields in simple location now.... I like the idea of altitude. I want to post from a plane now.
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: I wanted your opinion of the changes.
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GWG
You helped a lot last night.
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: Does your phone record altitude?
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chrisaldrich2
I'm not sure if it does actually. I still hadn't figured out the issue with why my site wassnt running the js to get the location data. still hadn't been able to with the new changes as of this morning, but I also hadn't tried on my mobile again either.
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chrisaldrich2
I had an app that did indicate my altitude a year or two ago on a phone that's now 3 generations old, so I suspect my phone still should.
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GWG
I haven't been anywhere of an altitude sufficient to wonder about that. But right now, that data is not used, just displayed and passed for future use. I want to try to use accuracy.
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chrisaldrich2
what values does accuracy take/use? the ui isn't specific
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GWG
Accuracy in meters. As in, how close to the actual position is it?
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chrisaldrich2
If I remember most commercial GPS data is only accurate to 10-100 feet.
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GWG
For example, my phone just returned 20M as the accuracy. My computer returns 5000M
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chrisaldrich2
I suspect you're trying to use it so one could indicate a neighborhood range without specifying one's particular home address (for example)
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chrisaldrich2
oh, you're actually taking in the devices's estimated accuracy...
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aaronpk
altitude data is horribly inaccurate
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: Yes, the geolocation API specification supports those fields, even if the device doesn't.
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GWG
aaronpk: I haven't gotten any altitude data.
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GWG
My phone has never returned anything of interest in that field.
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aaronpk
it's basically only good for "yes you're in a plane" level accuracy
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aaronpk
all phones will return the data tho
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aaronpk
it's part of the GPS chip
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GWG
aaronpk: I couldn't even get it to work on a plane.
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chrisaldrich2
I've got a device or two that I could use for manual input of altitude. Depending on the GPS service, the altitude could be good/bad. Most commercial phones specifically do a bad job.
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aaronpk
yeah it very much depends on the phone and the plane
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aaronpk
and your location wtihin the plane (window seats work better, mostly impossible near the middle)
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chrisaldrich2
some airplane headsets have screens which give altitude, speed and heading along with ETAs that are relatively accurate
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aaronpk
sometimes the in-flight wifi has that data too!
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aaronpk
even without paying
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: That is why I might open up the fields in the future. But for now, it is informational.
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chrisaldrich2
If I can get over the JS issue I can do some more thorough testing, but I'm supposed to be joining some friends to watch what's left of the Rose Bowl game.
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: Have fun. Your opinion is worth waiting on.
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aaronpk
really old script for extracting the in-flight GPS and logging it https://github.com/aaronpk/GoGo-WiFi-to-Geoloqi/blob/master/gogo-to-geoloqi.rb#L11
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GWG
aaronpk: I prefer JetBlue. Free wifi
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chrisaldrich2
Definitely smart to build that stuff in, particularly with things like trips, or apps which track athletic data for run/bike distances and rise/run data
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chrisaldrich2
Gets back to rhiaro's question about pseudo-flight path's in the last day or so... wouldn't it be nice to have the actual GPS flight path data for things like that?
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: I track planes over my house.
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aaronpk
oh yeah i've been meaning to hook up that API for my flights
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aaronpk
tho i get reasonably good results with my iphone in planes as long as i have a window seat
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GWG
aaronpk: I prefer an aisle. I prioritize comfort over GPS data collection
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aaronpk
yeah i've been struggling with that too. lately i prefer the aisle especially on long flights, but that kills my chance of getting GPS
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aaronpk
so hooking up the flight tracker API would solve that problem :)
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GWG
aaronpk: Did I ever show you my setup?
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aaronpk
for flight tracking?
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GWG
For tracking planes, not flights I'm on.
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chrisaldrich2
I actually used the Sears Tower last night as dummy data for testing, and I did kind of wish I had altitude so I could show I was at the top of the building instead of the bottom.
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aaronpk
ah the radio device? /me moves this to #indiechat
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chrisaldrich2
GWG: I'll try to catch you later this evening...
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GWG
chrisaldrich2: You know me. I'm around.
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