#indieweb 2017-01-03

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KevinMarks Has someone suggested websub to micro.blog?
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@davidmead Hi @manton2. Your http://Micro.blog project sounds interesting from an #IndieWeb POV, but I’m still not... http://djm.click/blog/b/2yX (twitter.com/_/status/816104769676836864)
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@mrkrndvs @DrNomyn @cogdog good point about portability. You could.even dual post! Or go all #indieweb https://indieweb.org/Instagram (twitter.com/_/status/816115584681156608)
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Loqi [indieweb] "My 2017-01-01 Commitment – Location Support Returns" by David Shanske on 2017-01-03 https://david.shanske.com/2017/01/02/2017-01-01-commitment-location-support-returns/
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GWG Just added a permalink for all location tagged posts.
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@benwerd Good luck! #indieweb https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing/description (twitter.com/_/status/816141794018787333)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Good luck! #indieweb https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing/description" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-01-03 http://werd.io/2017/good-luck-indieweb-projectsmantonindie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writingdescription
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miklb_ what is a note
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Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/note
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@iNavegar Good luck! #indieweb https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing/description http://werd.io/2017/good-luck-indieweb-projectsmantonindie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writingdescription (twitter.com/_/status/816163512640765952)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Owning my old Delicious Bookmarks… Sadly not today. by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-03 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/13/owning-my-old-delicious-bookmarks-sadly-not-today/#comment-33369
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rhiaro chrisaldrich1 chrisaldrich_: actual GPS is nice, but I'm after a visualisation for when I plan the trip, not tracking it after the fact
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Zegnat Using actual flight path data for the maps sounds interesting. But most of my trips go by land. I wonder if I can find a route API for trains.
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[xavierroy] I miss Dopplr for that kind of data
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[xavierroy] I found this as an self-hosted alternative: https://github.com/johnholdun/jetset
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Loqi misses Dopplr for that kind of data too
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petermolnar Zegnat you could write a deep learning image processor to follow the train tracks on gmaps satellite images ;)
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Zegnat I *could* do that. I could also *not* do that :p
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Zegnat At least for the Netherlands there is a site that shows live train data
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Zegnat Actually fairly interesting as far as maps go: http://spoorkaart.mwnn.nl/
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sebsel There's also one in the official app of the main train company NS.
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sebsel I believe this one works with the current timetable, including updates, and then plots the trains on how far they should be at this time.
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sebsel No real GPS
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sebsel (but the official one in the app is just the same thing)
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Zegnat I wouldn’t need GPS, only the routes, to draw them on a map
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@olafursverrir @kickstarter The web is so much more than just Google, Twitter and Facebook. 2017 – Year of the indieweb! https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/816242485894725632)
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[manton] Hi everyone! Thanks for the discussion about my Indie Microblogging book and Micro.blog on Kickstarter. I've been lurking for a while and very interested in the IndieWebCamp. I'll try to catch up today.
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petermolnar hi [manton]; feel free to ask, if you get stuck with anything
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miklb_ manton++
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Loqi manton has 1 karma
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[manton] petermolnar: Thanks! I have a lot of work to do still, but my main priority from an IndieWeb perspective is finishing support for Micropub (I have XML-RPC now) and evaluating how I can best use Webmention.
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miklb_ anyone have suggestion on how I might group notes by date but still have proper h-entry markup?
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aaronpk wow the kickstarter is already almost double the goal! Congrats!
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ben_thatmustbeme manton++
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Loqi manton has 2 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme sending webmentions for any post a URL in the body text is a super easy thing to add and gets notifications of mentioning going outbound
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm sure there are plenty here who would help test any federation of that sort
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miklb [manton] will users on snippets.today be migrated to micro.blog?
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[manton] aaronpk: Thanks!
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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[manton] miklb: Yes. I've still evaluating whether to clear some portions of the database, to start clean, but all the users will be preserved.
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miklb what is h-entry
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Loqi h-entry is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up blog posts on web sites https://indieweb.org/h-entry
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KevinMarks_ Manton: have you looked at websub (formerly pubsubhubbub)
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miklb hmm. not seeing a path to grouping notes by date visually
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snarfed miklb: https://gregorlove.com/archives/ ?
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miklb snarfed I'm more looking at notes grouped by day on my home page. i.e. if I post 3 notes on 1/3/17, I don't want to show date 3 times.
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snarfed ah
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miklb I suppose dt-published could be hidden, or part of permalink
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miklb https://cdn.miklb.com/Untitled_2017-01-03_11-49-09.png that's the basic design I want to use, where multiple notes under each date would be
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gRegorLove miklb: How about: <time class="dt-published" datetime="YYYY-MM-DD HH:II">HH:II</time>
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miklb gRegorLove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 72 karma in this channel (95 overall)
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miklb perfect idea
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gRegorLove So only the distinct time within the day is shown
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miklb exactly. Makes perfect sense and would fit the timeline
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gRegorLove I've thought about doing something similar with my notes stream.
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gRegorLove Definitely want to at least switch out the authorship so it's not displayed on every post in the stream.
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[manton] KevinMarks: I've looked at PubSubHubbub but not WebSub yet. I do have rssCloud support already, which hopefully is similar enough that I can expand it to support WebSub as well. I'll check it out, thanks!
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KevinMarks_ Webmention is for getting replies quickly, websub for getting posts from people you follow
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aaronpk WebSub is the new name for PubSubHubbub but nothing has changed really
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@barryf @brendanquinn Thanks! Micropublish is my small Micropub client but check out https://indieweb.org for more on the IndieWeb community. (twitter.com/_/status/816331734723784709)
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snarfed tries vainly to determine which parts of the new extended tweets are launched vs not yet launched vs rolled back :( https://dev.twitter.com/overview/api/upcoming-changes-to-tweets
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snarfed (e.g. debugging https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/714 )
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aaronpk fun
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snarfed for char counting, best conclusion so far seems to be that it's launched for trailing attachment URLs (pictures etc), but not yet for @-mentions. https://twittercommunity.com/t/mentions-in-replies-are-being-counted-towards-140-character-limit/76427/2
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aaronpk i have definitely taken advantage of the new rules for attachment URLs
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aaronpk and also seen tweets in the streaming API that reflect that
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GWG Hello humans and bot.
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ben_thatmustbeme *in robot voice* Hello G W G
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Messages?
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ben_thatmustbeme G W G: you have 2 new messages, to hear your messages press 1
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GWG 1.
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ben_thatmustbeme First, new message, received today at 8:32 AM .... *click* .... if you would like to hear this message again, press 1, to save it, press 2, to erase it press 3.
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KevinMarks_ silo-quits << https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/03/ive-left-twitter-unusable-anyone-but-trolls-robots-dictators-lindy-west
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/03/ive-left-twitter-unusable-anyone-but-trolls-robots-dictators-lindy-west" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits
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GWG 3.
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GWG Hello, snarfed
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ben_thatmustbeme message erased, next, new message received today at 9:44 AM ... hey David, its Bill with the weed, i'll be waiting in the usual spot, see you at 1. ... if you would like to hear this message again, press 1, to save it, press 2, to erase it press 3.
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GWG Oh good, I have wanted that bush in front of my house removed for a year.
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme we should probably have done that in #indiechat though
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Loqi definitely
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GWG Likely yes
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Any talk of Cambridge in 2017?
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ben_thatmustbeme not currently, no, i honestly don't have much ability to help much in cambridge
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ben_thatmustbeme but i have been working on some angles for Providence 2017
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GWG I would try to come to Providence
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tantek Providence would be great!
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GWG Providence will provide
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gRegorLove That silo-quit URl slug is unfortunate. At a glance looks like Lindy West is in the list, not the author of the article
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aaronpk lol
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm hoping to get URI (university of Rhode Island, my alma mater) to host
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tantek gRegorLove: "see also" is not the way to log such things anyways, I'm guessing KevinMarks is on mobile and can't actually edit the wiki to properly add that silo quit to the (to be created) 2017 section
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: just as long as we don't use "indiewebcamp URI" as the shortname ;)
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tantek (that wouldn't be confusing at all)
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gRegorLove haha
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Loqi nice
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ben_thatmustbeme IWCRI
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to pronounce that
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tantek IndieWebCamp Rhode Island (IRI) :P
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ben_thatmustbeme Providence IndieWebCamp... PIWC.... maybe not
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ben_thatmustbeme pronounced like "puke"
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miklb gRegorLove thanks again for that suggestion. Going to work out perfectly (at least until I parse the microformats)
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gRegorLove Hehe
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miklb some spacing issues to work out at later date but quite happy with the start https://cdn.miklb.com/Miklbs_Mindless_Ramblings__Chronicling_life_in_a_digital_world_2017-01-03_14-50-07.png
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KevinMarks_ A bit grey looking.
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tantek does anyone use Amazon Alexa or Google Home with their indieweb setup?
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tantek e.g. to post to your food log (aaronpk)
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tantek "Alexa, food log, coffee"
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aaronpk miklb: i like the grouping!
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tantek "Alexa, food log, breakfast tacos"
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tantek what is Alexa?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Alexa" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is Amazon Alexa?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Amazon Alexa" yet. Would you like to create it?
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miklb thanks aaronpk!
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ben_thatmustbeme does anyone use IFTTT for their indieweb setup?
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ben_thatmustbeme you could use IFTTT with google home i know, i'm sure the same is true for alexa
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aaronpk I use it to get weight readings from my scale and send them as micropub posts
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ben_thatmustbeme what is IFTTT
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Loqi IFTTT (IF This Then That) is a service for connecting apps and services with automation https://indieweb.org/IFTTT
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aaronpk the alexa actions for ifttt are pretty limited
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aaronpk it just lets you tap into the todo list thing and control lights
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aaronpk you can't define new actions that way
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ben_thatmustbeme oh :(
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aaronpk oh it's been updated since i last looked. you can define trigger words now.
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aaronpk "Alexa, trigger ____"
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ifttt.com/google_assistant google home support is pretty extensive, i was going to say, would be really surprised if its that limited
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aaronpk looks like google does have free-form text entry by voice https://ifttt.com/applets/DMC8yDAW-log-notes-in-a-google-drive-spreadsheet
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aaronpk alexa just does pattern matching so you can only match against lists of words
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aaronpk e.g. https://developer.amazon.com/public/solutions/alexa/alexa-skills-kit/docs/defining-the-voice-interface#h2_sample_utterances
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tantek What is Amazon Alexa?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Amazon Alexa" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek What is Google Home?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Home" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, i think i'm going to have to play around with this, and have it create them as "draft" items
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ben_thatmustbeme so that i can moderate them so my wife doesn't post things to my site
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@ChrisAldrich #indieweb #siloquits https://twitter.com/tauriqmoosa/status/816378044537446401?s=09 (twitter.com/_/status/816407462500847617)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb #siloquits https://twitter.com/tauriqmoosa/status/816378044537446401?s=09" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-03 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/indieweb-siloquits-tauriqmoosastatus816378044537446401s09
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@ChrisAldrich Sherman Alexie, Lindy West, and Ta-Nehisi Coates all quit Twitter this week #indieweb #siloquits http://www.seattlereviewofbooks.com/notes/2017/01/03/sherman-alexie-lindy-west-and-ta-nehisi-coates-all-quit-twitter-this-week (twitter.com/_/status/816408341735936000)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Sherman Alexie, Lindy West, and Ta-Nehisi Coates all quit Twitter this week #indieweb #siloquits http://www.seattlereviewofbooks.com/notes/2017/01/03/sherman-alexie-lindy-west-and-ta-nehisi-coates-all-quit-twitter-this-week" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-03 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/sherman-alexie-lindy-west-and-ta-nehisi-coates-all-quit-twitter
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Loqi [indieweb] "Sherman Alexie, Lindy West, and Ta-Nehisi Coates all quit Twitter this week #indieweb #siloquits http://www.seattlereviewofbooks.com/notes/2017/01/03/sherman-alexie-lindy-west-and-ta-nehisi-coates-all-quit-twitter-this-week" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-03 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/sherman-alexie-lindy-west-and-ta-nehisi-coates-all-quit-twitter-this-week-indieweb-siloquits-notes20170103sherman-alexie-lindy-west-and-ta-nehisi-coates-all-quit-twitter-this-week-1
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tantek more silo-quits?
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miklb seems like it's just one announcement posted 6 times :-/
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tantek what is dedupe?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/dedupe
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gRegorLove Loqi, the answer is https://indieweb.org/dedupe https://indieweb.org/dedupe
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KartikPrabhu is it dedupe or dedup?
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tantek both are used
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KartikPrabhu hmm I have only seen the latter
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KartikPrabhu what is dedup?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dedup" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu dedup is dedupe
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Loqi ok
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@ChrisAldrich @Nasharchy @tauriqmoosa I'm betting that efforts like http://indieweb.org or @manton2's https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing may help (twitter.com/_/status/816412192006410241)
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tantek that doesn't work, you need to say [[dedupe]] to make it a redirect
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tantek https://indieweb.org/dedup
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tantek what is dedup
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Loqi dedup is dedupe https://indieweb.org/dedup
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KartikPrabhu :(
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aaronpk huh, why did the seattlereview site get tagged #indieweb?
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miklb it's all links posted by ChrisAldrich
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miklb and tagged by him
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aaronpk but that one came through superfeedr with the #indieweb tag despite the article not mentioning indieweb
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aaronpk oh i'm reading it wrong
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miklb isn't the #indieweb tag on all of them
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aaronpk there appear to be some duplicate posts on boffosocko.com as well
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chrisaldrich2 thanks aaronpk, you're right, for some reason my cell phone posted a duplicate. I should have been two posts and two posse copies...
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chrisaldrich2 The Lindy West story is apparently trending on Twitter right now too.
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aaronpk ah funny
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aaronpk it'll take me a lot more work to dedupe across the superfeedr vs twitter notifications
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aaronpk those are two totally different systems right now
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chrisaldrich2 Though I do wish there were a way to dedupe it on my side... I would if I could.
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aaronpk for some reason superfeedr likes your site a lot! we don't see many original+twitter dupes for other people nearly as much
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tantek ChrisAldrich: if you made your twitter account private then it wouldn't show up in such results
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chrisaldrich2 I often think twice about posting about IndieWeb ideas because I know that the post and syndication copies can be noisy in here.
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tantek (that worked for me when my twitter was private)
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aaronpk nah don't worry about it. if it gets really bad i'll fix it :)
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chrisaldrich2 tantek: I've thought about it, but in general I like having the ability to be open. Maybe I could change it to private before indieweb tagged posts? ;)
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aaronpk better strategy: post a lot more and get other people posting, to get me to the point of being frustrated with all the notifications so that i fix deduping :)
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tantek chrisaldrich: I wouldn't bother with toggling - too much work
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tantek and what aaronpk said, it's not really a bother IMO
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chrisaldrich2 tantek: yes I agree and I have too many other itches before I worry about that...
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chrisaldrich2 It is worthwhile to know about silo quits like this in the popular media though as it reaffirms why many of us are part of this growing movement... and for that reason, maybe I should have syndicated to 10 other silos?
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chrisaldrich2 These three silo quits all seem more interesting too because they're all writers/journalists who have some reasonable influence on their colleagues.
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chrisaldrich2 It would be nice if we could manage to make some of these /silo-quits into /indieweb-converts
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tantek chrisaldrich, each one is a teachable moment, not just for them, but for everyone reading
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KartikPrabhu what is indieweb-converts?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb-converts" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu there are also such responses to /silo-quits https://twitter.com/AdamSinger/status/813843846194831360
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@AdamSinger @joshsimmons @mwichary leave Twitter? What, for those going to retire to an island? (twitter.com/_/status/813843846194831360)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: already discussed that thread a bit here in IRC, due to this tweet later on in that thread: https://twitter.com/joshsimmons/status/813844387583008768
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@joshsimmons @AdamSinger @mwichary LOL right, or those moving to GnuSocial or similar ?It's not uncommon among the free software and indieweb crowds. (twitter.com/_/status/813844387583008768)
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KartikPrabhu oh ok
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tantek search IRC for references to that text in past week or so
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tantek since obv that mention of "indieweb" made it show up here
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chrisaldrich2 Reading about these silo quits is making me think of leaving Twitter for a while too. Maybe I'll make it a double protest quit by leaving on January 20th?
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tantek chrisaldrich, reflect on what value you get from participating in Twitter
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chrisaldrich2 There's not only that but I'm also thinking about the value I'm not gaining from what Twitter *could* be.
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chrisaldrich2 The most painful part is the huge number of scientists and academics I follow and interact with who aren't on any other platform.
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tantek chrisaldrich - good motivation to help build / develop something for them to switch to
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chrisaldrich2 and that's why I'm here! I'll think about a quit more over the next 17 days, but perhaps the more constructive thing to do would be to resolve to build easily manageable indieweb sites for free for 10 (or more) scientists/academics who may not have the time/ability to do so for themselves?
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KartikPrabhu I have offered to set up indiewebsites for people before, no one seems motivated to switch
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KartikPrabhu seemed*
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KartikPrabhu even after explaining the indieweb reasons
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KartikPrabhu they think it is a good idea but have no real motivation to follow-through
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KartikPrabhu I have even pointed out Known
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chrisaldrich2 Perhaps I'll hang up a Lucy van Pelt-esque sign on a kiosk outside Caltech with a sign that says "Websites 5¢"
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tantek nice
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chrisaldrich2 KartikPrabhu, that's a bit of the issue I've seen to, but I think that people don't see the value in it if it's offered up too cheaply. I have built a few for friends as "birthday presents" which helps ease them into it and once they've begun using it, they've been able to see the more tangible value.
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mblaney !tell manton I've shoe-horned websub into my rssCloud implementation, you're right that they are very similar. let me know if you're looking for inspiration.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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chrisaldrich2 I've also had a recent rash of 3-4 friends who've had Instagram accounts hacked by spammers who were worried they were going to lose everything, and they've all been near instant converts because they've seen the immediate tangible pain and don't consider their personal photos to be digital exhaust the way they may view their tweets.
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chrisaldrich2 What is websub?
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Loqi WebSub is the new name of PubSub https://indieweb.org/WebSub
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chrisaldrich2 bemoans yet another iteration of the more fun Pubsubhubbub
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aaronpk there shouldn't be anything functionally different between WebSub and PubSubHubbub really
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chrisaldrich2 I haven't seen or heard anything specific except that it's now a standard, right? That and the fact that it's not as fun to say...
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GWG Good evening
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chrisaldrich2 Evening GWG!
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GWG Hello, Chrisaldrich.
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GWG Did someone mention Indieweb Alexa?
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aaronpk mostly the changes have been making things more explicit
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/#changes-from-20-october-fpwd-to-this-version
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GWG chrisaldrich2: By the way, I continue to thank you for your feedback over the last few days. Feedback really helps me get out of my own head
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chrisaldrich2 GWG it's the least I could do since I enjoy so much of what you've written!
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GWG Notice that when you give feedback, my output increases.
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GWG I even was able to get a query string for location in there
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chrisaldrich2 I've still got to iron out a few things, but am hoping to turn it on on my production site today/tomorrow
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chrisaldrich2 I also like the idea of what it can eventually become with relation to checkins
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GWG After that, I have some minor tweaks in Post Kinds, then Syndication Links, and then Bridgy Publish. But I sometimes rearrange order. And then I will likely try something bigger.