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# 00:04 GWG I like to make the rounds a bit before I bite off something bigger. # 00:07 chrisaldrich2 I've been meaning to ask you. I have a sporatic u-photo that pops up on my pages around my gravatar block and again in my footer somewehre that keeps me from using brid.gy publish... It's not something I added, but I suspect it's coming from one of the IndieWeb plugins. Do you recall which is throwing it in there without me trying to hunt it down? ePirat joined the channel
# 00:08 GWG Well, Semantic Linkbacks adds u-photo to avatars, I believe. # 00:09 chrisaldrich2 Good to know because that's the last one I'd have guessed.... # 00:10 chrisaldrich2 I remember experimenting with the UF2 plugin ages ago an remembered that it added a lot of mf2 for themes without it, but didn't know that any of the canonical ones did that. # 00:11 GWG Well, I think some themes do it as well. # 00:11 GWG I might have suggested it to independent publisher. # 00:12 chrisaldrich2 It's mostly a problem if it dumps them into e-content I think which means that syndicating to twitter sends a tiny low res version of my avatar into the POSSEd copy snarfed joined the channel
# 00:13 chrisaldrich2 Twenty Sixteen which I'm using currently has a gravatar block at the bottom of posts which includes an avatar. snarfed joined the channel
# 00:14 chrisaldrich2 Brid.gy Publish does I think, or did the last time I tested it a month or so ago. # 00:14 GWG Oh. It has a preview thing good for testing # 00:15 chrisaldrich2 I have gotten kind of used to how SNAP POSSEs Twitter and others , but i've been wanting to go back to something simpler like bridgy publish for straight notes/status updates # 00:17 chrisaldrich2 or for using bridgy to publish replies from WordPress back to Twitter and target the original tweet properly. # 00:18 GWG chrisaldrich2: It needs a bunch of work. # 00:18 GWG Because of all the WordPress elements that need to be right to parse correctly. awolf joined the channel
# 00:25 miklb hope to join that party tonight. Finally worked out most of my front end stuff, just a few items to button up # 00:25 GWG miklb: Feedback on things helps me, if you are willing # 00:30 chrisaldrich2 I've been contemplating writing as comprehensive manual (book?) on WordPress and indieweb as I can sometime this year. I'm hoping that something like an IndieWeb for Dummies might help onboard more people and I think there are enough easy-to-use modules to warrant it. # 00:31 chrisaldrich2 I have the means to do hardcover, paperback and ebook easily. # 00:31 miklb I still stand by that until better drop in theme support, not going to get a huge user base in WP # 00:32 chrisaldrich2 for some of the 2nd and 3rd gen, a hardcopy may be useful # 00:32 chrisaldrich2 Theme support is definitely one of the last remaining bottlenecks. # 00:33 GWG chrisaldrich2: I would like an autographed hardcover, just for my own amusement. snarfed joined the channel
# 00:33 chrisaldrich2 I'll dedicate it to you GWG # 00:33 GWG There are major structural issues. # 00:34 GWG chrisaldrich2: I'll take that as a compliment. # 00:34 chrisaldrich2 the UF2 plugin isn't too bad, but can cause some problems. Lots of themes come "close enough" though. # 00:34 chrisaldrich2 GWG, it is! # 00:34 miklb I understand all of that. I'm just saying that until there are more than 2 IW themes, it's going to be tough # 00:34 GWG For example, many plugins and themes put metadata in the_content plugin...which creates a problem, as most themes wrap the_content in e-content. # 00:35 chrisaldrich2 There's sempress (and a few sub flavors), Independent Publisher, and to me 2016 out of the box has almost everything it needs without being too painful. # 00:36 chrisaldrich2 i'm tempted to see if we couldn't tweak a few of the bigger themes like 2010-2016 to be a bit more compatible... # 00:37 GWG chrisaldrich2: The ones developed on Github are much easier to keep the updates coming # 00:37 GWG You can run a fork that is easy to update. # 00:38 tantek GWG, chrisaldrich perhaps you could simplify/focus that page on the set of themes you think are worth working on? # 00:38 tantek right now there's too much context-setting pre-amble before there's anything like a "Hey, choose from one of these themes" # 00:40 tantek I'm guessing that a typical wordpress user just wants to "get things done" and doesn't care about the story of theme sources or what is a child theme vs not and why # 00:40 tantek just: "How to install an IndieWeb friendly WordPress Theme" # 00:40 tantek and then a short curated (by y'all) list to choose from # 00:41 GWG You can guess how many there are. # 00:41 tantek GWG, if you don't know how to pick, then a new person certainly has no idea # 00:41 tantek any problem you think you have, they have worse # 00:41 GWG We have Sempress, Independent Publisher, and such. # 00:41 tantek GWG, that's up to you and chrisaldrich to figure out # 00:41 GWG 2016 and 2017 are probably worth a look # 00:42 chrisaldrich2 I've got a list of relatively popular themes I've wanted to test out to see how close to the target they are. Even getting some of the annual themes to be workable would be helpful as they're some of the most popular # 00:42 chrisaldrich2 Most won't be nearly as optimized as sempress or independent publisher, but most people won't take advantage of all the "power" they provide. # 00:43 tantek separate them out into "These work, go ahead and use them", and "We're testing these out", and "Here's some we could improve" # 00:43 tantek which are ready out of the box to just install and go # 00:43 tantek and which could use more testing (some folks like to help with that) # 00:43 tantek and which could use more patches / outreach to make indieweb friendly (some folks like to help with that too) # 00:44 chrisaldrich2 choosing a theme in general is a major pain to begin with, but since most personal sites have a smaller list of "requirements" it helps to cut down the list # 00:44 tantek anyway - hard to track any of that e.g. "2016 and 2017 are probably worth a look" unless you have it on a list on the wiki accordingly # 00:45 GWG Probably worth a look because they are default themes, no comment on the design # 00:46 aaronpk what would it take to get microformats2 into the 2018 theme? # 00:46 miklb might be worth looking at popular downloads on wp.org and look at forking them for IW. # 00:46 aaronpk cause then all the child themes people make will have it too # 00:46 tantek yep - great thoughts to capture on the wiki page # 00:48 miklb I'm sure I'll have more to add once I get my minimal viable web site up and start tweaking. # 00:49 chrisaldrich2 particularly since people are paying for them and resulting functionality # 00:50 miklb they need to see demand. I doubt (m)any of them would jump on early. # 00:52 chrisaldrich2 for most theme developers, adding the few extra bits and adhering to some general specs shouldn't be too difficult danlyke joined the channel
# 00:56 miklb there was a plugin for Genesis themes on github to add mf2. Picking that up might be better solution for premium theme adoption # 00:59 miklb I will certainly contribute code and updates to wiki once I'm fully up and running, scratching my itches, etc # 00:59 chrisaldrich2 miklb: do you remember what it was called, I'm not seeing it with a few simple searches benwerd_ joined the channel
# 01:02 GWG I remember that. I looked at it when I started looking at Facepiles snarfed1 joined the channel
# 01:09 chrisaldrich2 I'll circle back on this later this evening and document some of it and a few other thoughts into the wiki. Time to finish up some work so I can get home.... # 01:10 miklb likewise, I need to wrap up some $work so I can get back to my site. # 01:10 chrisaldrich2 though while I'm here and have gwg and miklb, shall we keep the next in-cycle HWC virtual at the same time as last? # 01:11 Loqi That! (or "that ^" or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply often emphasizing agreement with a This post, but sometimes[1] merely emphasizing agreement with a previous reply https://indieweb.org/that # 01:12 miklb chrisaldrich2 I'm down for any hour, so what works best for you and GWG # 01:12 chrisaldrich2 I think it's Wed 1/11 # 01:12 chrisaldrich2 I'm putting details together for something local on 1/25 # 01:14 chrisaldrich2 Looks like we need a major wiki update for upcoming HWCs... # 01:16 GWG I have some wiki work to do after I finish scooping meat into muffin pans # 01:17 GWG miklb: Meatballs actually. I use mini muffin pans. leg joined the channel
# 01:21 mblaney speaking of HWCs, I think we have the numbers for an Australian one..... I'm in Adelaide for another week, it's a long shot but if indiescripter and acegiak are around it could happen? # 01:29 miklb mblaney if you do and have a link, I'll share with a couple internet friends in that area who might be interested. benwerd and kerozene joined the channel
# 01:38 mblaney thanks miklb, I would be happy to organise a regular one if there's interest in Brisbane. Timing will be difficult for a once-off Adelaide HWC but will make it happen if I hear from other indiewebbers. benwerd_, awolf, Pierre-O, snarfed, Pierre-O1, snarfed1, userXYZ, chrisaldrich, chrisaldrich1, chrisaldrich_, mlncn, KevinMarks and tantek joined the channel
# 04:09 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next # 04:11 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next KevinMarks and tantek joined the channel
# 04:29 Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 14: Posting to my Website from Alexa #100DaysOfIndieWeb # 04:29 Loqi aaronpk has 449 karma in this channel (1170 overall) # 04:29 tantek also, that's a very clever solution to the 3rd party password UI anti-pattern! # 04:31 tantek just too bad you couldn't speak the "Authorization Code" to Alexa as part of the script ;) KevinMarks and danlyke joined the channel
# 04:36 tantek let's see how my cross-site webmentions are working # 04:38 tantek aaronpk, still feels like magic every time a comment / mention of mine shows up the linked site(s) looking correct wolftune joined the channel
# 04:39 tantek !tell aaronpk p3k suggestion: change <h3>Other Mentions</h3> to <h3 id="mentions">Other Mentions</h3> # 04:39 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next Pierre-O, wolftune and snarfed joined the channel
# 05:26 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next martymcguire[m], tantek, M-rongladney, jcgregorio[m], plindner, M-hotzeplotz, prtksxna, JulianFoad[m], Guest60189[m], rdesfo[m], mindB, TheGillies, M-nd, smth[m], Jeffrey[m], Guest112299[m], sknebel_matrix_t, Guest86807[m], M-mxuribe, smth[m]1, crasch[m], chrisaldrich, chrisaldrich_, chrisaldrich1, cweiske and Pierre-O joined the channel
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# 07:43 Zegnat I just copied what you said to get Loqi to update the wiki ;) # 07:44 Zegnat Hmm, I have never been to Brussels, could be fun. But I don’t think I will be able to fit that in my schedule :( # 07:49 Zegnat cweiske, you should know better than to HTML-while-high. # 07:50 cweiske i've made one of my best blogs while using relative base urls! nitot joined the channel
# 07:52 cweiske but I surely had moments the next day thinking "wtf did I commit yesterday night" tantek and chrisaldrich2 joined the channel
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# 09:46 cweiske marketing bullshit; didn't read: "raintree is your payments partner, not just a payments platform. We create tailored, seamless e-commerce experiences that maximize business opportunities for companies across the globe, from small businesses to large enterprises." pindonga, adactio, Pierre-O and nikivi joined the channel
# 12:21 Jeena It seems that I need to run my own instance of woodwind, the one at woodwind.xyz is more offline than online simon| joined the channel
# 12:32 petermolnar great; whoever is on my RSS, I'm sorry, I messed up file dates and my feed is now a little messy; fixing it soon userXYZ, coopey, Pierre-O and [rglover] joined the channel
# 13:26 [rglover] Hi folks! Just learning about all of this IndieWeb stuff and wanted to send a :wave: friedcell joined the channel
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# 14:11 Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: however those [indieweb] URLs to your site are http: not https: is it possible your permalinks are still http: (e.g. in markup / feed?) ? adactio, hs0ucy, chrisaldrich, chrisaldrich1, chrisaldrich_ and friedcell1 joined the channel
# 15:05 Zegnat Is the entire Swedish conclave in today, Jeena, voxpelli? ;) snarfed joined the channel
# 15:10 Zegnat Sounds like it is time for the Swedish IWC then ;) squeakytoy, friedcell and KevinMarks joined the channel
# 15:14 Zegnat I am moving back to Sweden in March, probably visiting Malmö in April, in case you want to meet-up som time voxpelli. # 15:14 Zegnat I’ll also try and hit up another HWC in Göteborg :D # 15:19 Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 40 minutes ago: p3k suggestion: change <h3>Other Mentions</h3> to <h3 id="mentions">Other Mentions</h3> # 15:25 aaronpk today my goal is to finish my projects before 11pm ? # 15:27 Zegnat goes to aaronpk.com to check the current time # 15:29 miklb so my goal is to finally launch before aaronpk finishes his daily goal lol Pierre-O, smcgregor, danlyke, userXYZ, jmelesky, tantek, wolftune, snarfed, mlncn, gavinc, benwerd and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
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# 19:10 tantek basically, ActivityStreams taxonomy was wrong to try to distinguish the two snarfed joined the channel
# 19:11 aaronpk voxpelli: i want to add some options to quill like wordpress has in the "publish" menu # 19:12 tantek aaronpk: where did you get that "formats" radio buttons list # 19:12 aaronpk it's in the wordpress interface when writing a post # 19:14 aaronpk it looks like the values for "status" are: Draft, Pending Review, Published # 19:14 voxpelli I think the "published state" can also be "private", right? The possible values are something like: draft, scheduled, private and public # 19:14 aaronpk Visibility can be: Private, Password Protected, Public # 19:15 aaronpk i have a bunch of screenshots, just not sure where to post these # 19:15 tantek lol. the URL slug even says it "Post_Status" :P # 19:15 tantek and in the prose: "post statuses that WordPress uses" # 19:16 aaronpk i don't understand. they're clearly different things in the UI # 19:16 aaronpk is the UI splitting out the various combinations of that internal field? # 19:16 aaronpk opens up the wordpress database to see what's going on # 19:18 voxpelli if you use some hooks to try to inspect the status on saves it gets even more confusing # 19:19 voxpelli "post status" in general, independent from any implementation, can be anything from super simple (draft or published) to super complicated editorial workflows # 19:20 tantek voxpelli you have to use the name and then " is ..." without quotes ;) # 19:21 voxpelli tantek: I won't make an attempt at actually defining it ;) # 19:21 tantek please do! what you wrote is better than something, and others can improve upon it! miklb_ joined the channel
# 19:23 voxpelli post status is anything from a super simple draft or published to a super complicated editorial workflows that handles everything from idea, to editorial approval to deleted status # 19:25 aaronpk i'm confused about the fact that the UI splits "status" and "visibility" but they are all stored as one field # 19:27 aaronpk it's more useful to document these in terms of what the UI looks like then right? # 19:28 tantek user-centric design, not plumbing-centric design snarfed1 joined the channel
# 19:31 tantek remembers when mobile mediawiki editing actually worked reasonably well on a BlackBerry like nearly 10 years ago and wonders what went wrong. KevinMarks and Ruxton joined the channel
# 19:37 sebsel what about using 'published' for draft? dt-published in the past = normal post, dt-published in the future = scheduling, so no dt-published or published:false = draft? g3funk joined the channel
# 19:38 tantek "false" is usually a really bad way to indicate explicit info # 19:38 aaronpk also micropub expects that no published date in the request means to publish it at the time of the request snarfed and finchd joined the channel
# 19:39 sebsel yeah, I thought false !== null, but yeah, that depends on the language sometimes. # 19:40 aaronpk yeah false !== null is probably not a great thing to rely on being implemented consistently # 19:40 KevinMarks So status is "submitted" when you send a draft to a publication for editing/approval # 19:50 voxpelli if one has a review step in ones post status, one thing to review in there might be the scheduled date as well # 19:52 GWG aaronpk, post formats are built-in, post Kinds are my drop in replacement. # 19:52 voxpelli another interesting aspect of post statuses: when working in a stricter editorial workflow, it might be that you may not be able to switch from every status to every status – sometimes you can eg. only move forward in workflow # 19:53 GWG As for post status, the request for more is years old and many comments # 19:54 GWG Sorry, came in the middle of this nitot joined the channel
# 19:59 GWG If you really want to go into the weeds on this... nikivi joined the channel
# 20:00 Loqi aaronpk has 450 karma in this channel (1171 overall) # 20:01 bear for me micropub should really only stick with what states are possible and completely ignore any workflow or transition clutter # 20:01 bear I'm POSTing or PUTing an item or an update - what possible values are allowed for that item is what is needed # 20:03 voxpelli maybe do it similar to how it handles scopes – just leave it open for clients and servers to use whatever statuses they feel suitable? and have standard ones emerge from what people start to support? # 20:05 sebsel and a ?q=status like ?q=syndicate-to for Micopub? # 20:05 GWG Why not query the server for possible states? # 20:06 voxpelli it might be tricky to communicate the possible statuses in a sensible way, so such a configurability could turn out useless :) # 20:06 aaronpk yeah i'm curious how that ends up working in wordpress where plugins can register custom states # 20:07 GWG aaronpk, I am considering adding deleted as a status someday # 20:08 GWG aaronpk, that doesn't work for deleted posts # 20:10 aaronpk i can't tell if these fields should be considered part of the post, or are a micropub command # 20:10 aaronpk i guess they are part of the post, especially since the post may look different depending on the state # 20:11 bear they are item states [draft,published,deleted] so in my usage they are part of the post # 20:11 KevinMarks Iirc twitter's draft isn't part of the api, but a client feature # 20:11 aaronpk i show draft posts differently on my site so i know i'm looking at a draft # 20:12 bear gwg - I haven't implemented private, but I could see it being a different item completely - view/scope # 20:12 aaronpk as the screenshots i posted show, wordpress treats visibility different from status # 20:12 bear the reason I say vision/scope is that "private" really just means visible to a subset of normal viewers # 20:13 aaronpk GWG: yes really! look at the screenshots! i'm not talking about the implementation internally # 20:13 GWG bear, private means authentication required, doesn't it? # 20:14 aaronpk the display is all that really matters since users don't see the database # 20:14 bear auth enables access but may not be required # 20:14 bear I may naively implement a obsfuscated url and call that private # 20:15 GWG bear, my definition of private when referring to it is authenticated. # 20:15 aaronpk for my single-user site, "private" means I have to be logged in to see it. but "private" means something different on a site that has multiple authors. # 20:16 bear I really think that single-user site should be what we think of for this generation and leave the complexity inherant in multi-user to another generation # 20:16 aaronpk right! facebook has great examples of complicated visibility settings # 20:17 bear and why I say auth is orthagonal is that audience and viewer can also be a function of groups # 20:17 aaronpk and i don't think facebook supports scheduled or draft posts, so visibility is totally separate # 20:18 voxpelli thinks about how neo4j was actually created to handle access control at a large Swedish telecom company – needed a giant graph database... # 20:18 bear facebook pages do support them - they are called by a lot of folks "dark posts" # 20:19 aaronpk wow it launches into a whole separate interface for posting to the facebook page # 20:19 bear facebook supports anything that will drive ad traffic # 20:19 tantek reviews backscroll, finds he agress with everything bear is saying, goes back to doing push-ups # 20:19 bear that's it - my year is complete and done - *drops mic* # 20:20 GWG I think we can think about visibility in regards to whether if you visit a URL, do you get a 404, 200... # 20:20 aaronpk wow i did not realize facebook had such extensive tools for publishers # 20:21 tantek in particular, the "avoid workflow" type stuff # 20:21 bear yea, their publishing UI has grown a lot in the last year - all part of them listening and trying to bring over Vine/YouTube and Instagram folks # 20:21 tantek all this post status stuff in WP etc seems a bit overblown / overdesign IMO # 20:21 tantek e.g. contrast with wiki pages, you create, you update, etc. # 20:22 tantek for anyone considering anything like post status, really consider why you're considering it, what's the use case(s) for *you* # 20:23 GWG tantek, article vs note. I am not tentative on my short form # 20:23 tantek GWG, yeah I've used draft posts myself for having people review something at a publicly-reachable-but-not-linked-to permalink (futuredated) # 20:24 aaronpk since i've written 26 articles in the last 13 days, the main thing i want is to be able to start an article in Quill's editor, save it as a "draft" to my website, then open up the raw HTML and make some fine-grained edits and *then* publish it # 20:24 GWG aaronpk, similar to me. Or pick up something when I get back to a computer # 20:25 aaronpk either tweaking internal properties that quill doesn't know about (like my p3k channels), or embedding videos, or even just cleaning up the HTML # 20:25 aaronpk copies that text for today's #100daysofindieweb post # 20:26 tantek aaronpk, makes sense. perhaps even for "mosty mobile" authoring / iterating a post while on the go, then putting "finishing touches" (maybe citing / linking references etc.) on a laptop # 20:26 bear I do the same - hence my really short list of states: [draft,published,deleted] # 20:26 GWG I hate typing long form on my phone # 20:27 GWG bear, what would the absence of status be assumed to be? # 20:28 voxpelli +1 on [draft,published,deleted], probably what makes sense for something like Quill to support # 20:28 aaronpk not sure about "deleted" there, since there's already a way to delete posts via micropub # 20:28 voxpelli aaronpk: what happens if one queries for a deleted post? # 20:28 aaronpk internally you might store the value "deleted" in place of "published" but that doesn't matter from the API perspective # 20:28 tantek also we've already documented use-cases for both published and deleted dates # 20:29 bear I was listing back-end states, I can see why that would not be present for a items state when given during micropub # 20:29 tantek voxpelli: bunch of work on that at IWC Dusseldorf # 20:29 voxpelli if one wants to mimic the WordPress trash, then being able to fetch and undo a delete is pretty good # 20:30 voxpelli +1 on deleted being saved as a deleted date, but UI-wise it may make sense to show a post with a deleted date as having the post status "deleted" # 20:30 tantek voxpelli: another user model is Wikipedia's for deleting and recovering pages # 20:30 aaronpk another good reason status separately from visibility is the question of when to send webmentions! # 20:31 aaronpk i never want to send webmentions for draft posts, but i do for restricted-visibiltiy posts # 20:32 voxpelli aaronpk: can you query the source content of a deleted post of yours over Micropub? # 20:32 aaronpk no, when i delete posts, i replace the whole contents with a stub file, so it's actually deleted # 20:32 bear yep, mine get replaced with tombstones # 20:33 voxpelli I guess many of us has backups elsewhere we can restore something from if we were to accidentally delete it # 20:35 bear oh, I don't remove the original post, just flag it as deleted and my generation code uses a tombstone template for them # 20:35 bear err don't remove the original file data that is # 20:36 voxpelli so you could actually return it for a source content query in Micropub bear? if you wanted to have a ui that could un-delete the post for you? nitot joined the channel
# 20:41 voxpelli I don't see any thoughts on a Micropub client UI for deleting posts in /deleted, just thoughts in how to act when deleting # 20:58 Loqi NIPSA is an acronym for Not In Public Site Areas, and an admin feature of Flickr that allows their support staff to mark an account such that posts from it will not be shown in search results and other similar public views of posts https://indieweb.org/NIPSA # 20:58 aaronpk that sounds like an admin thing, not something you'd do to your own posts # 21:10 bear the only smelly part is the visibility password # 21:14 bear I would respectively suggest that anything with a password not get implemented # 21:14 bear corral folks into more secure auth items # 21:15 Loqi bear has 130 karma in this channel (173 overall) # 21:15 Loqi passwords has -2 karma in this channel (-4 overall) # 21:15 Loqi passwords has -3 karma in this channel (-5 overall) # 21:16 tantek Flickr's capability URLs which then cookie you in as able to view an otherwise "private" album are an interesting approach # 21:17 KartikPrabhu but indieauth flow does use passwords somewhere in the pipeline say at Github # 21:18 bear KartikPrabhu - sure, but that is still better than having yet-another-password-store in the wild # 21:19 bear not quite - it's leaves the choice up to the client while giving the server implementation a single implemenation to deal with # 21:20 tantek the nice thing about a Guest Pass on Flickr is that you don't have to log into Flickr to use it! # 21:20 bear how the client chooses to auth via indieauth is possible with github+passwords sure - but IMO that is better in small ways because it's github managing the passwords and not 100s of micropub implemenations # 21:20 tantek it's a much more polite way to share something privately than the "go here and create an account" flow :P # 21:22 aaronpk Yeah I'm in favor of encouraging "guest pass" via capability URL over passwords # 21:22 tantek looks like IG's new "bookmark" feature is author-viewable-only # 21:23 tantek and really is a "bookmark" post feature, as they are ordered in the order you "bookmark" things, not the things's published dates # 21:23 bear could indieauth server offer a guest pass implemenation? # 21:24 aaronpk I think it has to be done at the CMS, not the indie auth server # 21:26 KevinMarks Oh, that's interesting. Did flickr email them or just give them to the logged in user to share # 21:26 bear so it's nothing but a short lived token? # 21:27 bear so guest pass is kind of like a device token # 21:28 aaronpk in the mean time, i'm gonna delete the password thing from my proposal :) KevinMarks_, wolftune, nitot, KevinMarks, miklb, userXYZ and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
# 22:37 aaronpk hm i kind of want to only show this "post status" dropdown in Quill if I know that the server supports it # 22:38 aaronpk otherwise it's bad to let the user think it'll be posted as a draft when their server doesn't support draft posts # 22:39 voxpelli maybe have something like @supports in CSS? a way to query a server for support for specific properties and have it say yes/no/unknown # 22:40 voxpelli aaronpk: not for querying whether a server supports a specific mf2-property – right? # 22:41 aaronpk but it does allow the client to know whether the server supports syndication and a media endpoint # 22:41 aaronpk maybe i'll just document my way out of this for now # 22:42 voxpelli going forward one could imagine having eg. "q=supports&property=post-status" or maybe even "q=supports&property=post-status%3Ddraft" # 22:42 voxpelli that would enable checking for geo-location support and such as well # 22:43 aaronpk so far it hasn't been bad when the client sends extra stuff the server doesn't recognize, so i'm not sure that's strictly necessary # 22:43 aaronpk this is different because it has actual privacy implications # 22:43 aaronpk the UI shouldn't let the user choose "draft" if the server isn't actually going to understand what "draft" means # 22:44 voxpelli the Quill UI could probably be made simpler if it didn't show a geo location field for sites that doesn't make use of geo locations # 22:44 voxpelli but yeah, agree that post status makes it even more important # 22:45 aaronpk i'm gonna punt on this because it adds a bunch more work for me right now # 22:45 aaronpk going to add a "read this first!" link if you choose "draft" # 22:45 voxpelli having servers being able to explicitly state their support could make it easier to add more experimental properties in the future – as the fields for those would only affect people who have explicitly opted into them # 22:46 voxpelli is so happy to finally be able to properly query for CSS support and make proper non-hackish progressive enhancements whenever new features are found to be supported nitot, aegibsonme and snarfed joined the channel
# 23:28 KartikPrabhu voxpelli: I thought CSS always skipped statements it didn't understand so one could always have progressive enhancement # 23:28 aaronpk and done! now i get to use quill to write about the new quill leg and wolftune joined the channel
# 23:37 voxpelli KartikPrabhu: true, but that assumes that no other properties needs to be applied or altered as a consequence of the non-understood statement # 23:38 KartikPrabhu voxpelli: i don't think so. You should be able to do max-width: 100%; followed by max-width: 100vw; If a browser does not understand vw it will use the first value # 23:39 voxpelli KartikPrabhu: yes, but if you for some _very_ strange reason wants to apply a pink background color to those with 100vw as the max-width, then you can't do so unless you use @supports # 23:40 voxpelli a more reasonable case is to default to some other layout mechanism when eg. Grid or Flexbox isn't available # 23:40 KartikPrabhu yeah @supports allows you to apply other styles based on the availability of some other property KevinMarks_ joined the channel
# 23:41 KartikPrabhu again probably not needed for grid layout since it introduces its own properties anyway # 23:44 voxpelli for flexbox it would have been gold as you want to fallback to eg. floats or something else without, too bad though that not all browsers supporting flexbox supports @support wolftune joined the channel
# 23:50 KevinMarks_ Being able to express an arbitrary "choose from a list" feature in config sounds reasonable wolftune joined the channel
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chrisaldrich2 I've been meaning to ask you. I have a sporatic u-photo that pops up on my pages around my gravatar block and again in my footer somewehre that keeps me from using brid.gy publish... It's not something I added, but I suspect it's coming from one of the IndieWeb plugins. Do you recall which is throwing it in there without me trying to hunt it down?
Loqi WordPress Themes are a simple way to quickly change the look and feel of a WordPress website primarily by use of CSS https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes
miklb hmm. Not seeing it now either. https://github.com/willnorris/willnorris.com-wordpress/blob/master/public/content/mu-plugins/genesis-indieweb.php has some code from wilnorris though
@aaronpk Day 14: "Alexa, tell Teacup I drank a beer" #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100DaysOfCode https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/03/10/day14-alexa-app https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/816458936240906240/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/816458936240906240)
tantek !tell mblaney re: HWC Australia, John Alsopp in Sydney would likely be interested too. He's been wanting to do an IndieWebCamp there for ages. Also add your HWC Aus thoughts here: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Up-and-coming_Meetings
@CaptainKurtis https://freekurt.com/ is back! Had some database issues for a little while there. Sorry about the disruption! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/816546089054703616)
sensiblemn anyone going to FOSDEM?
Zegnat FOSDEM is a free software conference https://fosdem.org/
cweiske According to php-mf2, I am high: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/Mf2/Parser.php#L307
@ajspadial Example of a private powered tweet. My #opennotebook fosters also the @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/816579998584897536)
petermolnar great; whoever is on my RSS, I'm sorry, I messed up file dates and my feed is now a little messy; fixing it soon
@davidmead #IndieWeb Is @Twitter breaking its own message threads by creating URLs for threads?: http://djm.click/blog/b/2zG (twitter.com/_/status/816646180415356928)
@adactioLinks Day 14: Posting to my Website from Alexa #100DaysOfIndieWeb • Aaron Parecki https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/03/10/day14-alexa-app (twitter.com/_/status/816715321541328903)
aaronpk i also just realized that wordpress calls these "formats" instead of "types" or "kinds" https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-01-04-11-08-28.png
voxpelli right, they separate it in the UI but it also reflects in the status: https://codex.wordpress.org/Post_Status#Default_Statuses
KevinMarks That sounds like no-one wanted to refactor the data model
@kevinmarks “it’s clear that the broken system is ad-driven media on the internet. It simply doesn’t serve people” @ev https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/816736499630604288)
@webrocker @jkphl @btconf will there be a #indiewebcamp like last year's in Düsseldorf? Asking for my hotel booking agency ;-) (twitter.com/_/status/816738444739301376)
KartikPrabhu err what are the "more secure auth items" than passwords?
@ChrisAldrich @ivasef85 @lukashmayyn @Anthony I also have @mentions on my site courtesy of an Webmention implementation. https://indieweb.org/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/816757706518315009)
@AlfonsoRomay @torresburriel Mira que ha repetido @tantek aquello de la #IndieWeb. Lo que sea, que sea en tu dominio. (twitter.com/_/status/816760171234021376)
@100daysindieweb Day 15: Tags, Slug and Post Status for Quill #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100DaysOfCode https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/04/8/day-15-quill https://twitter.com/100daysindieweb/status/816795151297150976/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/816795151297150976)