#indieweb 2017-01-05

2017-01-05 UTC
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tantek UI pro-tip: don't show an error dialog when your async in the background network connection attempt fails.
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tantek what is iTunes
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Loqi iTunes is a service and application from Apple for music, video, podcasts, and other multimedia https://indieweb.org/iTunes
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@Myotherpants If you’re worried about @Medium pivoting/folding, consider backing https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing?ref=discovery or https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/816817220152127488)
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tantek how does one back indieweb.org? maybe we should look into making that a thing this year?
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tantek http://werd.io/2017/best-thing-ive-done-so-far-in-2017-delete-both
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Loqi [Ben Werdmüller] Best thing I've done so far in 2017: delete both Facebook and Twitter from my phone. Kindle and News promoted to top spots instead.
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tantek what are app quits?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "app quits" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek huh
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tantek what are silo quits?
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Loqi silo quits are public statements by individuals announcing they have publicly quit posting on or using (at all) various silos, either with intended permanence, or temporarily (sometimes referred to as taking a "social media break") https://indieweb.org/silo-quits
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tantek app quits are /app-quits
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Loqi ok
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tantek via benwerd: https://blog.coralproject.net/the-real-name-fallacy/
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tantek what is identity?
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Loqi A personal domain is a domain name that you personally own, control, and use to represent yourself on the internet https://indieweb.org/identity
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tantek identity << https://blog.coralproject.net/the-real-name-fallacy/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://blog.coralproject.net/the-real-name-fallacy/" to the "See Also" section of /identity
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KevinMarks Do we want pages on real names, Nymwars etc?
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tantek KevinMarks, it's ok if they start as sections on /identity
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tantek and then we can just create redirects to those sections for the terms
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tantek that is, you could start by making /identity no longer a redirect, and write a stub there
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tantek linking to /anonymity to start with and maybe at least mention those phrases
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tantek in particular with how they relate to indieweb / silos
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KevinMarks Ok, that can be my after dinner project tonight
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@hardfire on any day. ownership of content is something we still have to learn. That is why I like the #indieweb movement. https://twitter.com/anantshri/status/816909868024078336 (twitter.com/_/status/816912565330591745)
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@nhoizey POSSE ! https://indieweb.org/POSSE https://twitter.com/borisschapira/status/816905498666606592 (twitter.com/_/status/816921915269009408)
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@anantshri @hardfire not aware of #indieweb, care to elaborate or provide reading reference. (twitter.com/_/status/816925021784461312)
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@anantshri @hardfire ohk so that's independent Web. or lets just say the actual Web. Backfeed looks interesting http://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/816929758978011137)
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@loicmathaud C'est peut-être le matin pour re-partager les slides de mon talk sur l'#IndieWeb : http://loic.mathaud.fr/presentations/2014/presentation-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/816932680080261120)
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@cswordpress @webrocker Which WP plugins are you dependent on? There may be some alternatives. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/816946161147871232)
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Jeena Next site death in the making https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.43uv658d1 but I agree with them that they have to shift their focus
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@cswordpress @redcrew You're welcome. BTW you may want to check this out for compiling your roundups. http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/ (twitter.com/_/status/816960969528242177)
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@m_ott Done. ?? Thanks @ODLFfm == @webrocker! #webmention #craftCMS #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/m_ott/status/816971232700723200/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/816971232700723200)
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petermolnar I wonder if archive.org is already working on it
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petermolnar on medium.com
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@cswordpress #indieweb https://twitter.com/marcoinenglish/status/816890245228662784 (twitter.com/_/status/816977978529873920)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Stop Publishing Web Pages - Anil Dash" by Offray Luna on 2017-01-05 http://anildash.com/2012/08/stop-publishing-web-pages.html
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@loicmathaud @nhoizey yep, c'est d'ailleurs par là qu'on conseille de commencer : http://indieweb.org/Getting_Started%23Get_a_personal_domain (twitter.com/_/status/817001648388239365)
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@nhoizey @loicmathaud ton avis sur ce sujet, d’ailleurs ? Pas vu dans les pages IndieWeb… https://twitter.com/webaaz/status/817002703138291712 (twitter.com/_/status/817003752653725696)
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@voxpelli @TeliaSverige Likaså förutsätter jag att andra som väljer att ta kontroll över sina socialamedieprofiler i @indiewebcamp-stil kan inkluderas (twitter.com/_/status/817021930184306690)
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voxpelli ^ Sweden's largest telecom company fighting the government who wants to prohibit the company from excluding large social media sites from peoples' traffic quotas as that's incompatible with net neutrality
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petermolnar Sweden++
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Loqi sweden has 1 karma
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@hypothes_is @BrashEQLibrium @ChrisAldrich Directions for Hypothesis here: https://hypothes.is/for-publishers/ And fragmentions ❤️: https://indieweb.org/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/817039798682558464)
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@gericci @hsablonniere Check the Indie Web Camp https://indieweb.org/ :) @adactio @t (twitter.com/_/status/817054238618611712)
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snarfed hey aaronpk, out of curiosity, is it easy to see how many (native) wms webmention.io has received total? and maybe how many telegraph has successfully sent?
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snarfed i'm curious if we've broken 1M in the wild
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aaronpk hm i think i can do that
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snarfed assuming bridgy, wm.io, and hosted known (and maybe telegraph) are the big centralized services
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aaronpk will check in a minute
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aaronpk just deployed something so let's see if i broke my site
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[kevinmarks] Ask voxpelli too
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snarfed ah true thanks [kevinmarks]!
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[kevinmarks] And benwerd for known/convoy
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[kevinmarks] Ah, you said hosted known. Convoy is also for non-hosted
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voxpelli snarfed: looks like I have 8347 sources that has been pinged to my endpoint
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snarfed voxpelli: thanks! so roughly 8k wms? do you think many of those sources have been sent to more than one target through you?
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: true but afaik convoy is for silo interaction, not wms. https://withknown.com/convoy/
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voxpelli snarfed: seems like it's pretty much 1:1 there, looks like I have 100 or so more mentions
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snarfed voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 86 karma in this channel (94 overall)
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snarfed hey benwerd, when you get a chance, mind counting how many webmentions hosted known has successfully sent or received? low priority, just curious. tia!
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aaronpk wow i have a lot of pingback spam on some of my old posts
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aaronpk "i'll pick an easy one today, i'll just autolink comment text" he said
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sebsel I received mentions 2882 on Seblog, but that's mostly pinging myself old Instagram likes via Bridgy... :o
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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benwerd snarfed: I'm not sure that's something I can pull
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 weeks, 5 days ago: can you confirm venue for HWC SF 2016-12-14? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-12-14-homebrew-website-club#Where
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snarfed benwerd: huh do tell
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benwerd It's never logged outgoing webmentions on an ongoing basis. Incoming could be pulled for posts and sites that are currently in existence, but stats are deliberately wiped for deleted sites and posts.
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snarfed ah ok. even incoming for non-deleted posts would be interesting, just for order of magnitude. low priority.
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GWG Afternoon
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GWG snarfed, do you have thoughts on PR scope?
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snarfed GWG: that's a very broad q
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GWG snarfed, I noticed a PHP notice when an endpoint is queried by a random server. I also have a post status request. Would you rather I do two PRs?
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snarfed ah. yes pls.
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GWG I am still reading the code. I want to know the new version as well as the old.
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snarfed also btw i'll care about unit tests more than pr scope :P
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GWG snarfed, tests for properties are easier than most things
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GWG Especially w
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GWG Especially when I am expanding existing tests over starting from scratch.
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GWG Why is it browsing Github is so slow on my phone?
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GWG Is breaking code into smaller files solely for browsing issues a bad idea?
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snarfed GWG: yes. reading/navigating code on phone or browser is not a use case to optimize software engineering practices for
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GWG snarfed: I admit I said that with a lack of serious intent and more annoyed frustration
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tantek aaronpk, do you have any time-during-the-day goals for each of your 100daysof projects? like get it done by a certain time of day each day?
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aaronpk i need to start doing that
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tantek it seemed like you already were
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tantek if you analyze your published times for those posts
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tantek histogram distribution like
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aaronpk when I started out, I was focusing on getting the song done in the morning. i've switched to indieweb in the morning which sometimes means the song ends up being a late evening thing
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Salt LFNW CFP just opened, we are hoping to host IWC:Sea the following week, submit your presentations today! https://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/2017/submit-session
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tantek what is LFNW?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LFNW" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Salt LinuxFest Northwest, conference in Belingham, WA
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tantek Salt, now if you precede that with "LFNW is LinuxFest ..." then Loqi will define it in the wiki :)
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tantek so that Loqi will be able to answer the next person who asks
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Salt tantek, hmm, I don't think I've grasped Loqi yet...
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tantek Salt, if Loqi is doing his job, you shouldn't have to
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tantek you just need to answer what is questions in complete sentences :)
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Salt LFNW is LinuxFest Northwest, an annual Spring FLOSS conference in Bellingham, WA
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tantek ah, just missed the 10 min time window
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Salt snaps
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tantek let's try again
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tantek what is LFNW?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LFNW" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Salt LFNW is LinuxFest Northwest, an annual Spring FLOSS conference in Bellingham, WA
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is FLOSS?
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Salt nice
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FLOSS" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Salt FLOSS is Free/Libre/Open Source Software
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Loqi ok
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Salt so if I was to say
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Salt what is LFNW?
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Loqi LFNW is LinuxFest Northwest, an annual Spring FLOSS conference in Bellingham, WA https://indieweb.org/LFNW
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Salt yay
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Loqi woot
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tantek :)
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bear salt++ for helping improve the knowledge base
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Loqi salt has 5 karma
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Salt ty
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@100daysindieweb Day 16: Improved Comments Display for p3k #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/05/6/day-16-comments (twitter.com/_/status/817113218044657664)
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KevinMarks Today in problems caused by guessing the representative image https://twitter.com/db/status/817029434511396868
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@db @WaPoExpress I found where the problem came from. They literally Googled 'Female Symbol' and didn't click through.… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/817029434511396868 (twitter.com/_/status/817029434511396868)
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tantek KevinMarks, interesting, perhaps a case for explicit markup of the representative image
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tantek though with Wikipedia redirects, even that can be problematic
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gRegorLove Hey Salt. Let me know how I can help with IWC:Sea.
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gRegorLove Is there a venue yet?
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gRegorLove Oh, not here anymore.
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Salt gRegorLove, nope, our first planning meeting will be 2/21, I can ping you
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gRegorLove Cool
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Salt very very VERY early stages :)
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gRegorLove I'm going to the Bellingham Linux User Group meetup tomorrow for the first time; going to mention the Bellingham HWC and hopefully get some more interest.
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gRegorLove Maybe a better venue, too, if the technical college will let us use a room.
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gRegorLove Which reminds me, time to set up the 1/11 HWC page.
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tantek yes!
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tantek Kevinmarks needs it :)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Aaron is autolinking #indieweb comments now, including hashtags, which is giving me #technorati flashbacks" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/aaron-is-autolinking-indieweb-comments-now-including-hashtags-which-is
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@jkphl As of today, you can follow the progress of my #100DaysOfOpenSource challenge on https://jkphl.is/articles/100-days-of-open-source-2017/ in case you're interested #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/817120312991092736)
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aaronpk jkphl++
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Loqi jkphl has 19 karma
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tantek jkphl++
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Loqi jkphl has 20 karma
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tantek KevinMarks, this tweet has a screenshot (photo?) of the original errant image: https://twitter.com/db/status/817032955256307712
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@db When you literally had one job to Google 'Female Symbol' & you even manage to mess that up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1avIxBWEAALMn2.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/817032955256307712)
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KevinMarks They printed it, it's on lots of paper copies
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tantek how does that get past all the editors and whoever approves magazine covers? do that many people really not know their symbols?
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KevinMarks Because they were looking for text typo's? It's like the gorilla basketball thing
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gRegorLove KevinMarks: Here you go: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club
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gRegorLove Jeena: is Göteborg HWC meeting in January?
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tantek Should this be considered an /app-quit ? https://twitter.com/WaPoExpress/status/817009089414918144
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@WaPoExpress Kylie quit her own app because apparently that can happen. https://www.washingtonpost.com/express/wp/2017/01/04/everyone-including-kylie-jenner-is-confused-about-how-kylie-jenners-app-works/?utm_term=.2910c07361bd (twitter.com/_/status/817009089414918144)
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aaronpk great. the most recent comment on my autolinking post isn't autolinked ;-)
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tantek uh
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/05/7/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] @snarfed.org Well you managed to provide an interesting example in this reply! Your post has e-content so it's parsed as HTML, but then the links in the post aren't hyperlinks! I was worried my autolinker was broken but it's not running because it th...
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KevinMarks So snarfed needs to autolink his own posts
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aaronpk or i need to autolink html comments too
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tantek he's just prodding your next project with a test case ;)
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KevinMarks Your backend is python, isn't it snarfed? https://github.com/kylewm/cassis-autolink-py
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tantek pretty sure snarfed uses WordPress
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tantek (PHP)
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Salt gRegorLove, I was just informed that OSCON is that weekend following, so date may be pushed a little closer to either side of lfnw
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tantek what is OSCON?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "OSCON" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Salt OSCON is O'Reilly annual Open Source Convention
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Salt: OSCON in Austin?
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gRegorLove Updated https://indieweb.org/Planning#Seattle
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Salt gRegorLove, yeah, it used to be held in Portland, last year was the first one in over a decade that wasn't there.
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Salt gRegorLove, ++
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Salt gRegorLove ++
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Salt gRegorLove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 73 karma in this channel (96 overall)
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Salt :P
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi hehe
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Loqi [indieweb] "Reply to Ben Hanowell about Hypothes.is, Fragmentions, and Annotations" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-05 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/05/reply-to-ben-hanowell-about-hypothes-is-fragmentions-and-annotations/
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tantek chrisaldrich++
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 9 karma in this channel (11 overall)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@cswordpress @redcrew Thanks for the recommendation Amanda! I'm guessing you installed PressForward directly on your production server without using a test environment? I can tell" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-05 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/cswordpress-redcrew-thanks-for-the-recommendation-amanda-im-guessing-you
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tantek what is PressForward?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PressForward" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@JavaScriptJJ Something old new again, revival fr the Dark Ages of DHTML/YUI etc Invite u to follow @indiescripter as my #indieweb story unfolds @pgbovine (twitter.com/_/status/817144409997209601)
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tantek wat
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by Amanda J. Rush" by Amanda J. Rush on 2017-01-05 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-33399
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GWG Indiewebcamp Seattle? I could go for that
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-05 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-33402
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