#indieweb 2017-01-11

2017-01-11 UTC
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aaronpk rhiaro++ for asking about curved map lines. i'm so much happier with my travel posts now. they are so nice to look at!
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Loqi rhiaro has 59 karma in this channel (249 overall)
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GWG aaronpk, insert envy here.
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rhiaro Mine too! Thanks for doing the hard work
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GWG rhiaro: Nice to see you around lately.
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rhiaro I'm always here.. somewhere
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GWG I meant actively
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rhiaro :)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
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Loqi [indieweb] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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aaronpk I've gotta add a filter for those
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tantek is that superfeedr providing false positives on updates?
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tantek does that indicate a real world problem to be solved in WebSub?
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aaronpk I doubt withknown.com is sending websub pings for that. I suspect it's superfeedr's polling finding them, which is outside of websub.
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KevinMarks But why is suprfeeder giving they're new? Does it expire its cache?
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@ajspadial . @ldodds You can find some implementations at @indiewebcamp site https://t.co/cXyPSpOnnX, including #wordpress (twitter.com/_/status/819070245373677569)
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Zegnat Rocking my IWC tshirt to work today, it is HWC day!
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pfefferle good morning
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Zegnat Published my first RSVP! https://licit.li/587642007b9fc
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petermolnar I've signed up for my local Makespace community (~hackerspace, but this is Britain, so it's named differently); it has regular events. I'm thinking to announce HWC as a regular meeting there and see if anyone gets interested; since it's due to happen at the same times as the brighton one in worst case, I'll just be online during the time being. Opinions? I don't know how else I could start drag people into indieweb from there :)
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Zegnat Aaand Loqi again can’t fetch my posts?! :(
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petermolnar what is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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petermolnar ok, we have Loqi, so it's not the lack of Loqi, Zegnat
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Zegnat No, we have had this happen before. I think Loqi is still using XRay on Google's app hosting, and it sometimes times out when trying to connect to my site
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Zegnat And then suddenly Loqi will be able to parse it again when aaronpk starts debugging
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Zegnat What is XRay?
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Loqi XRay is an open source API that returns structured data for a URL by parsing microformats and following other indieweb algorithms, and is part of the p3k suite of applications https://indieweb.org/XRay
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aaronpk I don't know why it times out
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Zegnat Why does it think that page is a feed when I paste in the HTML (instead of letting XRay fetch it)?
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aaronpk that's interesting
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aaronpk oh if you include the URL in that form then it works
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aaronpk it's because there are two mf2 objects on the page, so unless it knows what URL it came from it looks liek a feed
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Zegnat Aah, gotcha!
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Zegnat I should really get to hosting my own copy of xray for testing
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aaronpk it should be pretty easy, there isn't a lot to configure to get it working
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Loqi yea!
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Zegnat I just haven't sat myself down to do it, aaronpk. Had other things on my mind.
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aaronpk have you run php apps before?
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sebsel Zegnat I had one running at https://xray.5eb.nl It's down on purpose now, but it worked on my lousy shared host!
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sebsel So it's not hard
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sebsel Idea about translations on the wiki: we can move them from /page-name-fr to /fr/page-name
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sebsel you can have / in wiki's pagenames
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aaronpk why?
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sebsel it looks better?
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sebsel I was thinking of possible dublicates where -xx can be needed for a page itself
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sebsel It might be a bit of inventing a problem
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sebsel but there are a lot of sites that use /xx/ to translate the content
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Zegnat aaronpk, I Have Run almost anything PHP. Nothing is stopping mr from setting up XRay apart from scheduling.
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Zegnat Maybe I'll set it up this HWC!
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aaronpk cool
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sebsel (which is in 1 hour here! \o/)
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Zegnat stares off along the tracks looking for the train
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Zegnat sebsel, you made the train 5 minutes late. Can you fix it?
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KevinMarks_ I think it is inventing a problem. Very few language codes are words (Hi Norwegian)
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Zegnat Is Islandic is? That would be another word
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sebsel 'en' is a word in Dutch.. ('and'), does that count?
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sebsel it for Italy
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk barryf++ for https://indieweb.org/Micropublish
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Loqi barryf has 6 karma
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aaronpk barryf just made a nicer quill :)
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[barryf] Ha, you're too kind, aaronpk. Plenty of things I need to add that Quill does very nicely.
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ben_thatmustbeme barryf++
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ben_thatmustbeme [barryf]: does it support the edit / delete /undelete coming from a url query?
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[barryf] ben_thatmustbeme I kept those JSON-only. Creates can be form-encoded.
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ben_thatmustbeme tests /new/hentry/reply?in-reply-to=ben.thatmustbe.me and it works!
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ben_thatmustbeme no no, i mean so i can link directly to "edit this page"
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ben_thatmustbeme things like that, i've found it very useful internally
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[barryf] Oh I see, yes in that case!
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[barryf] I've made some bookmarklets in the about page -- I do exactly that.
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, i see them for reply etc, nice
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ben_thatmustbeme was also wondering about that for edit / delete / undelete
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[barryf] Good idea. I'll add those three as well.
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petermolnar [barryf] I'm trying to use it, but it seems to send an immediate request to the micropub endpoint with empty contents, which results in an internal server error response
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ben_thatmustbeme ah, just tested, i see it just form encoded in the url, nice
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[barryf] Hmm, sorry petermolnar. I'll have a look.
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ben_thatmustbeme thinks barryf just set a new bar for micropub apps
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aaronpk petermolnar: you sure that isn't the configuration query?
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petermolnar it could be
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petermolnar but it should have some content, shouldn't it?
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petermolnar unless it's a get which I'm not handling
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petermolnar quill is working though
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ben_thatmustbeme it should be hitting ?q=config i'm assuming
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petermolnar yeah, that is probably not implemented on my side
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aaronpk And yeah it should be a GET
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petermolnar can you please point me to docs/drafts on this config request to how I should handle it?
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#querying
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[barryf] Yes I think it's the q=config but I should be giving you a more helpful error than that.
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ben_thatmustbeme actually i'm seeing q=syndicate-to hit me
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ben_thatmustbeme now i am going to want to work in inkstone more
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ben_thatmustbeme and just as I was going through an rewriting all of my main site in laravel
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ben_thatmustbeme #toomanythings
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[barryf] Funny, I was thinking the same about Inkstone's offline capabilities, ben_thatmustbeme
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[barryf] Good to have the inspiration
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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aaronpk makes me want to revamp the quill UI now cause this is way cleaner
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aaronpk also gonna add http://sliptree.github.io/bootstrap-tokenfield/
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petermolnar [barryf] I've set it to return an empty json when ?q=config or ?q=syndicate-to is hit, but it still gives me a HTTP 500
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petermolnar what response should I give?
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petermolnar ah
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[barryf] petermolnar it's expecting at least one syndicate-to item but perhaps that's a little too struct
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petermolnar {"syndicate-to":[]} did the trick
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[barryf] I'll ensure it can handle an empty response
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ben_thatmustbeme it should be able to handle {} really
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ben_thatmustbeme as well
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ben_thatmustbeme definitely some nice work there [barryf]
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, need a wider background on https://micropub.rocks/reports
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aaronpk yeah i gotta fix that
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sebsel HWC The Netherlands is starting! We're with 4 today :)
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aaronpk don't forget to take a photo!
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petermolnar MovingCircusHWCTheNetherlands++
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Loqi movingcircushwcthenetherlands has 1 karma
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bjoern HWC Nuremberg will start soon too
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[barryf] petermolnar: It'll now happily accept empty json from q=config now, as per the spec.
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petermolnar nice :)
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tantek good morning #indieweb from Seattle!
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tantek reads logs
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@Sebsel I'm at the HWC The Netherlands now, demoing Micropub and https://t.co/07qfFch8Qe! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/819236181401620480)
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tantek how are the HWCs going?
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tantek is in the W3C CSS WG meeting
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tantek Jeena: How's HWC Göteborg going?
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bjoern HWC Nuremberg is up and running. Just 3 people, maybe related to all the snow outside. But we're having a good time. ;)
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aaronpk ooh take a snow picture
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tantek totally do a snow picture!
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bjoern juliane says 'not gonna happen' :)
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aaronpk i'll trade you a nuremberg snow picture for a portland snow picture
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aaronpk hahahah yesss https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/819240217559388161
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@jkphl Live from the Frozen Website Club Nuremberg (especially for @t & @aaronpk) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C16GmwlXAA4AESZ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/819240217559388161)
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Loqi hehe
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sebsel HWC-NL is going great :) just did some explaining and demo'ing
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sebsel Now we have all laptops out
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sebsel People are trying to get into their 2 year old WP installs ;)
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tantek oh my goodness that snowman!
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tantek photo needs reversing for the text :)
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tantek (flip along vertical axis)
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tantek jkphl++
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Loqi jkphl has 21 karma
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tantek ⛄️⛄️⛄️
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tantek what is ⛄️
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "⛄️" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks_ We have a snowman in test code
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tantek ⛄️ is /events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi ok
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tantek lulz << [[⛄️]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[⛄️]]" to the "See Also" section of /lulz
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@100daysindieweb Day 22: XRay Ready for Deployment #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/11/8/xray-deploy (twitter.com/_/status/819247507460894720)
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sebsel yaaaay
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sebsel aaronpk++
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aaronpk woo
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tantek notable "new" (a month ago) WordPress site: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2016/12/06/oh-look-a-new-site/
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tantek GWG, perhaps an opportunity to see what he thinks of adding IndieWeb features :)
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tantek related: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2016/12/09/rip-citydesk/ (his own software before WordPress)
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KevinMarks_ https://github.com/microformats/xoxo/blob/master/testxoxo.py#a%20snowman
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KevinMarks_ I read that and thought he should switch to Hugo, not WordPress
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tantek what is Hugo?
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Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/hugo
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tantek KevinMarks - look at his post about switching and it took an entire *team* to port his content over
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Loqi [indieweb] "At Seattle @CSSWG meeting, wearing @IndieWebCamp shirt, watching 2017’s first #indieweb Homebrew Website Club meetups!" on 2017-01-11 http://tantek.com/2017/011/t1/csswg-meeting-first-indieweb-meetups
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@t At Seattle @CSSWG meeting, wearing @IndieWebCamp shirt, watching 2017’s first #indieweb Homebrew Website Club meetups! (ttk.me t4mH1) (twitter.com/_/status/819267677927723013)
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tantek how are the HWC meetups going in Göteborg, Nürnberg, The Netherlands, and Brighton going? any more photos?
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tantek goes to indieweb.org/RSVP#IndieWeb_Examples to copy a previous RSVP no of his and realizes it was a similar situation as now: http://tantek.com/2015/252/t2/homebrew-website-club-sf-pdx
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] not going to tonight’s Homebrew Website Club in SF/PDX (I’m @W3CAB in Redmond) but you should! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club...
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aaronpk i'm not gonna make it to HWC SF :(
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tantek aaronpk: awww
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tantek you could demo all your amazing 2017-01-01-commitment and 100days of!
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aaronpk all the flights this morning were cancelled in order to plough the runways
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tantek does that mean you are in PDX still?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk with any luck i'll be on the plane at 6pm
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tantek oh you'll be flying during
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tantek or HWC PDX literally!
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aaronpk yeah bad timing
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aaronpk hah
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tantek like the foodcourt before security ;)
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tantek they have a Whole Bowl :)
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tantek sebsel - any photo from HWC NL?
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GWG I had some great fish at PDX
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Zegnat !tell tantek There is a photo of HWC NL again, again taken with my camera. Will get it online as soon as possible.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sebsel yeah, Zegnat is the photo guy :) we have one, and the permission of the guy who took it for it to be public domain ;)
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KevinMarks1 I could have done it easier than his team, I'd bet. Maybe I should set up a service bureau. Having done Dan's and Chris's
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KevinMarks1 when do you get in aaronpk? We could hang on and have dinner or a drink after
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aaronpk KevinMarks1: if all goes well i'll land at SFO at 19:43
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Zegnat HWC photo is up! :D
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Zegnat sebsel ^
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tantek Zegnat++ woohoo!
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Loqi tantek: Zegnat left you a message 1 hour, 46 minutes ago: There is a photo of HWC NL again, again taken with my camera. Will get it online as soon as possible.
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Loqi :D
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tantek heh
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tantek anyone see a photo from Brighton?
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sebsel yaay for the photo :)
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tantek I think I'm going to add another text alias for "not going to " for my RSVPing no, as "missing "
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tantek just searched my post source and my only use of "missing " at the start of text note is for actually missing an event (thus semantically an RSVP no)
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tantek http://tantek.com/2015/255/t1/celebrate-ariel-matt-tonight
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Missing both #xoxo #xoxofest (for the 1st time) and #dConstruct. Good reason: going to celebrate Ariel & Matt tonight.
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snarfed tantek: i like it! for event planners before, though, haven't we used "missed" or "missed you" to refer to no-shows?
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snarfed still probably fine to overload the term though
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tantek snarfed, specifically, at the start of a *reply* for me
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snarfed right
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tantek that's the only place it acts as a hint to upgrade the reply to an RSVP
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KevinMarks Aaronpk, let me know when you land and we can rendezvous. What part of sf are you staying in?
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aaronpk I'm actually staying in mountain view so I might just go straight there so I can get some sleep
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KevinMarks Ah, ok. I can wave at you as I go past on the train then.
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