#indieweb 2017-01-10

2017-01-10 UTC
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@kevinmarks “I think that ServiceWorkers are important because they make websites behave more like books” https://robinrendle.com/essays/futures-of-typography/%23fn:17 #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/818614954769027072)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“I think that ServiceWorkers are important because they make websites behave more like books” https://robinrendle.com/essays/futures-of-typography/#fn:17 #Indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-10 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/i-think-that-serviceworkers-are-important-because-they-make-websites
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tantek is there any reason to use a highly overloaded hashtag like #open?
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tantek or should I try to take back a more specific (but no one else is using like me) hashtag like #openab?
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KartikPrabhu if you want to reach a wide (possibly unwitting) audience then sure
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tantek ok
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KartikPrabhu I have seen people use such broad hashtags, but I find them annoying
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tantek heh
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aaronpk my rule for hashtags is basically "would i search for this post on my own site to find it later based on this hashtag"
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KartikPrabhu good point
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tantek aaronpk, really good point
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aaronpk #selfdogfood
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aaronpk you'd be surprised how often i refer to my own tag pages
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tantek I would not, I know how often I want to refer to mine and mine don't exist ;(
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tantek that means if it's a useless hashtag on a POSSE destination like Twitter, then no reason to include it in the POSSE tweet! (leave it at the end of the original post, and include more content in the POSSE tweet instead)
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tantek like this: https://twitter.com/t/status/818624722497847297
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@t Started work on @W3CAB 2017 Priorities Mine: 1 Spec maint & best practices 2 Security 3 Funding 4 Role of ... http://tantek.com/t4mF1 (twitter.com/_/status/818624722497847297)
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tantek (no hashtag)
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tantek compared to http://tantek.com/2017/009/t1/started-work-w3cab-priorities
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Started work on @W3CAB 2017 Priorities Mine: 1 Spec maint & best practices 2 Security 3 Funding 4 Role of Director More: https://www.w3.org/wiki/AB/2017_Priorities #OpenAB...
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tantek huh, why the ...? that was the end of the post!
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tantek Loqi Y U …?
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aaronpk oops i thought i fixed that
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KevinMarks1 https://mastodon.social/users/kevinmarks/updates/675138
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Is mastodon shiny with microformats for #indieweb now?
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tantek kevinmarks++ h-entry and nested author h-card look good! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://mastodon.social/users/kevinmarks/updates/675138
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Loqi kevinmarks has 204 karma in this channel (262 overall)
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aaronpk is that a firefly referene?
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KevinMarks1 hm, known didn't like the markup for a webmention: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/yes-mastodon-now-supports-microformats-so-we-can-see-it
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] yes, Mastodon now supports microformats, so we can see it preview https://mastodon.social/users/kevinmarks/updates/675138 http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/10891aa1bd9c84f164730b11d26b7d5a/Screen+Shot+2017-01-09+at+5.08.58+PM.png
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KevinMarks1 !tell benwerd not sure why this didn't show right as a webmention http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/yes-mastodon-now-supports-microformats-so-we-can-see-it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] yes, Mastodon now supports microformats, so we can see it preview https://mastodon.social/users/kevinmarks/updates/675138 http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/10891aa1bd9c84f164730b11d26b7d5a/Screen+Shot+2017-01-09+at+5.08.58+PM.png
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KevinMarks1 hm, the nesting looks off
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KevinMarks1 <data class='p-name' value='kevinmarks on mastodon.social'>
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KevinMarks1 ?
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KevinMarks1 also missing h-entry on entries
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bear what's the best way to archive photos out of Filckr?
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aaronpk I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
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DanC Norm Walsh wrote a flickr backup thing years ago... I wonder if it still works
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aaronpk this is the best way once i double check it works https://github.com/aaronpk/Flickr-Archiver
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aaronpk i made sure that it archived albums, tags, comments, and everything
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bear cool - then I will wait for your updates
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aaronpk yeah a fire just got lit under my butt
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bear same - the yahoo news
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aaronpk ever since my raid drive double-killed itself i haven't restored that project, but now its time
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DanC all the APIs I used to know how to use flipped to newer OAuth protocols in recent years.
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bear for me it's only 211 photos, but still - a few of them that is the only copy
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aaronpk don't worry. flickr hasn't changed at all
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DanC no? I'm almost sure it has
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aaronpk actually that's not entirely true, the did finally start to support oauth 1 instead of their proprieary thing that flickr invented that was part of the development of oauth 1
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DanC funny: I actually use flickr as an offsite backup
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aaronpk but theyr'e still oauth 1, even though oauth 2 had pretty much taken over at the point they launched oauth 1
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DanC it's the one photo site that lets me (a) put the same photo in multiple albums (b) curate photos without sending notices hither and yon
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DanC http://www.madmode.com/2015/photo-flickr-explore.html#Flickr-is-the-web-photo-service-for-the-closet-librarian
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aaronpk yeah i have yet to see a site as good as yahoo
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aaronpk er flickr
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aaronpk that was awkward
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DanC flickr killed basic archive navigation. "my photos taken in May 2014" is gone. I think they still service the URLs, but there's no way to navigate to them. sigh.
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aaronpk it's still there, it's just hard to navigate to
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aaronpk "more -> archives"
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DanC no, that goes the the flargin camera roll thingy
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DanC https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157660697016770/#reply72157658792605744
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aaronpk I thought the camera roll was just a different view of all your photos
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DanC yes, but there used to be an archive page. no photos on it. Just years and months (and numbers of photos)
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DanC I guess I can get "my photos taken in May 2014" via advanced search https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=14874637%40N00&view_all=1&text=&min_taken_date=1398920400&max_taken_date=1401598799
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aaronpk Oh I do remember that page
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aaronpk huh
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aaronpk Yeah #ownyourdata
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DanC meanwhile, (a) flickr has built a better photo curating site than I have and (b) they make it not too painful to get my metadata back with an API.
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KevinMarks1 comment here: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/pull/421
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KevinMarks1 what's @myfreeweb's mastodon handle?
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KevinMarks1 no rel="me" here https://unrelenting.technology/
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@dougmckown @manton2 I'm a fan of #indieweb, but how is http://myname.micro.blog different from https://myname.tumblr.com/%23_=_ Can't I host it anywhere? (twitter.com/_/status/818650325859049473)
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rhiaro lol what, firefox bookmarks export stores date added as epoch in *micro* seconds
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rhiaro took me a while to figure out what was going on there
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rhiaro (procrastinating by porting browser bookmarks exports to my site..)
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rhiaro what is bookmark?
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark
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KartikPrabhu what is collection?
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collection
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KartikPrabhu how are the posts collected in a "collection post" markedup? h-cite?
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@Editor_Page @IndieWebCampDE Schade habe ein Startup pitch, kann leider nicht. kommt Ihr auch mal zwischen Köln -Bonn? Ich würde gerne etwas Organisieren (twitter.com/_/status/818726762372886528)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Online publishing will not die if Medium fails" by Paul on 2017-01-10 http://pauljacobson.me/2017/01/10/online-publishing-will-not-die-if-medium-fails/
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KartikPrabhu oh the "blogging is dead" argument again! <sigh>
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on The Indieweb Frees Me From “Awaiting Moderation” by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-07 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/10/the-indieweb-frees-me-from-awaiting-moderation/#comment-33431
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Loqi [indieweb] "My #indieweb journey continues: migrated my Google Contacts to #ownCloud - sync to my phone via @davdroidapp #goodbyegoogle #ownyourdata :)" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-01-09 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/my-indieweb-journey-continues-migrated-my-google-contacts-to-owncloud
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@IndieWebCampDE @Editor_Page Der Homebrew Website Club "wandert" nicht, sondern ist regelmäßig / zweiwöchentlich in festen Städten http://indieweb.org/hwc (twitter.com/_/status/818740118504820737)
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@IndieWebCampDE @Editor_Page Du kannst jederzeit einen in Köln / Bonn starten — es ist nicht schwierig. Ansonsten wird am 13.-14. Mai ein @indiewebcamp > (twitter.com/_/status/818741037074092032)
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@IndieWebCampDE @Editor_Page in Düsseldorf und am Wochenende drauf in Nürnberg statt http://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg (twitter.com/_/status/818741228648931333)
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@Editor_Page @IndieWebCampDE Düsseldorf finde ich nicht? auf FB ist auch kein Event. könnt ihr Helfen? (twitter.com/_/status/818744469621239809)
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@Editor_Page @IndieWebCampDE möchte erst von euch lernen bevor ich etwas starte. Zuerst mitwirken, lernen. In Bonn könnte ich es mir vorstellen. (twitter.com/_/status/818744834118787074)
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cweiske a colleague googled a product and google showed him that he had bought a similar item on ebay already...
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petermolnar I'm not sure that's brilliant or frightening
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cweiske did someone think deeper about the private feed discovery issue noted on http://indieweb.org/private#Private_feed_for_each_authenticated ?
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cweiske .. old fruitless discussion at https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-02-18#t1455816804068000
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Loqi [cweiske] which means that the reader will not see the private feed link
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cweiske oh man search made the chat logs so much more useful
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@btconf @jkphl @calum_ryan I will edit this in the IndieWeb Wiki as soon as I am done with the current episode of my podcast btw … (twitter.com/_/status/818778183889776642)
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petermolnar microformats question: if I do <a class="u-photo" href="large-img.jpg"><img src="img.jpg"></a>, will the large-img be the u-photo image?
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petermolnar it will, according to pin13
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petermolnar good
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myfreeweb KevinMarks1, i'm not on mastodon :D
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tantek petermolnar yes and that is by design for exactly that kind of use-case.
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@btconf An @indiewebcamp in Düsseldorf this year? Of course! Join us on May 13 and 14 – https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/duesseldorf-2017/side-events%23indiewebcamp // https://indieweb.org/2017/D%25C3%25BCsseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/818851763990175751)
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sebsel Düsseldorf is doable for me :D
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sebsel registers
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marcthiele See you there, @sebsel ;)
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@jkphl DUS and NUE, two @indiewebcamp­s in a row — an incidence? Not at all! We're looking into options for an… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/818865657148215297 (twitter.com/_/status/818865657148215297)
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KevinMarks @myfreewwb do you run your own instance?
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@IndieWebCampDE Nur 1 Woche vor Nürnberg: Das IWC Düsseldorf 2017 https://indieweb.org/2017/D%25C3%25BCsseldorf Lust, bei der 1. #IndieWebWeek dabei zu sein? Details folgen bald! (twitter.com/_/status/818867069999599616)
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KevinMarks @myfreeweb Eugen refactored your mf2 PR and broke the h-feed
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KevinMarks https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/586116
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myfreeweb I don't use mastodon at all, just ran it locally to add mf2
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tantek KevinMarks, do we have an h-feed validator we can submit a test for as part of the pull request so it catches regressions like that?
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tantek huh, that's fairly dev-like isn't it
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aaronpk validator all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4mGdkcye.jpg
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tantek takes it to #indieweb-dev
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KevinMarks @myfreeweb can you fix the h-entry problem and check it?
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KevinMarks I can see what to change, but I haven't spun up an instance - is that hard?
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myfreeweb it's a normal rails app that uses postgres and redis, i set it up on localhost in a couple minutes
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KevinMarks I haven't built a rails app on this machine yet, which is interesting as I have done node, flask, django and go ones
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snarfed has anyone clicked on a facebook notification from bridgy recently?
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aaronpk i haven't seen one in a while
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snarfed they're broken right now, due to an FB config, so i'm not sure how long they've been broken. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/716
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snarfed huh yeah i got a new token this morning and looked at it in https://developers.facebook.com/tools/debug/accesstoken/ , and it said "expiration: never," which seemed odd. maybe something changed...or maybe just because i'm an admin on the FB app
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aaronpk huh
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snarfed oh wow it says that for your token too aaronpk. and that it was issued 2y ago (!)
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snarfed ah maybe this is for tokens that came from the 1.0 FB API
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aaronpk that's...odd
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aaronpk remember google buzz?
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snarfed i vaguely remember some of them were grandfathered into longer lifetimes somehow
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aaronpk apparently threads that i started and commented on are in my gmail account
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snarfed heh
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snarfed yeah that's it. people who first signed up for bridgy facebook after api 2.0 get the usual 2 month token expiration
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tantek what is google buzz?
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Loqi Google Buzz was a Google silo for posting small text updates ("buzz"), similar to Twitter, but without the 140 character limitation https://indieweb.org/Google_Buzz
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KevinMarks Buzz was integrated in gmail to read, do that makes some sense
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tantek KevinMarks: worse than that, Buzz auto-added all your frequent Gmail senders/receivers as Buzz friends, which resulted in a huge amounts of public awkwardness
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tantek so the "Buzz was integrated in gmail" was kind of a disaster overall
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aaronpk oh right lol
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KevinMarks Yes, that was a recurring disaster. There was a team in Israel that was crawling the gtalk/gmail graph and trying to do smart things with it, and in buzz it got unleashed.
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KevinMarks And got Google an FTC decree for privacy violation
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KevinMarks When I was on the Contacts team the "friends" api would return the user's contacts in descending order of interaction
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KevinMarks Which is kind of helpful if you are the user, and creepy as hell if you're anyone else
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KevinMarks We built a test "friend of friend" explorer with it, realised how creepy it was and deleted the code. Clearly someone later did the same thing and thought it was a feature
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tantek wow
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KevinMarks @aaronpk the pearl harbor thing I was referring to re your sf to Tokyo path http://www.snopes.com/2016/12/30/pearl-harbor-inside-job/
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aaronpk lol
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KevinMarks Related http://m.imgur.com/J1BO7xL?r
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KevinMarks Interesting dataviz for the path, in that they don't fly over it directly
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@vasilis I think I’ll go to IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf this year. https://indieweb.org/2017/D%25C3%25BCsseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/818917537261953024)
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tantek Would anyone like to help co-organize an IndieWebCamp SF with me?
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GWG tantek, I would like to visit SF again if I can make it work, but unsure of availability
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tantek perhaps a good reason NOT to be Twitter Verified? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/01/06/wikileaks-proposes-tracking-verified-twitter-users-homes-families-and-finances/
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@pwcc Setting up twitter to be post only for a bit. I like that my indieweb set up makes this easy to do. (twitter.com/_/status/818948057085648897)
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[shaners] Does anyone know if Medium removed their “Import Story” feature?
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Loqi [shaners]: mblaney left you a message on 2016-11-11 at 6:32am UTC: I like your new logo design, but not sure about moving from 2d to 3d.
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benwerd [shaners]: it's not been removed
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Loqi benwerd: KevinMarks1 left you a message 21 hours, 12 minutes ago: not sure why this didn't show right as a webmention http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/yes-mastodon-now-supports-microformats-so-we-can-see-it
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benwerd click on your profile -> stories -> there's an "import story" button
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[shaners] Ahh. Under stories. Thanks benwerd.
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benwerd happy to help
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aaronpk yaaayyyy reposts are looking way better now
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@opensourceway IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb?sc_cid=701600000011jJVAAY (twitter.com/_/status/818956332942458885)
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@Pyro46 opensourceway: IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb?sc_cid=701600000011jJVAAY (twitter.com/_/status/818956390001704970)
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@erunyon ✎ “Micro-Blogging and the Independent Web”. Thanks to @manton2 for the inspiration. https://erikrunyon.com/2017/01/micro-blogging/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/818965076833173504)
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sebsel whoa, I was looking at aaronparecki.com to see for any news on the XRay-twitter thing and there was non but then it just appeared :o
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aaronpk \o/
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sebsel aaronpk++ for Twitter-like streaming :P
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Loqi aaronpk has 452 karma in this channel (1175 overall)
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aaronpk it's crazy how much this #100days project is making me write
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sebsel please keep going! you're almost on 25% and it's very motivating :)
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@100daysindieweb Day 21: Twitter Support for XRay #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/10/6/day-21-twitter-xray https://twitter.com/100daysindieweb/status/818967124055990273/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/818967124055990273)
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sebsel I really want to switch from php-comments to XRay now
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sebsel That makes all my old webmentions invalid though.
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aaronpk invalid?
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sebsel Or better: the way they are stored now is different.
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aaronpk ah
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sebsel You know what php-comments returns... that's different from XRay's return.
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sebsel But I like XRay's more :)
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aaronpk me too :)